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1d, 2m agoPosted 1 decade, 2 months ago
I know HD is all the rave at the moment but i want to clear a few things up.

You will not get HD off a standard TV signal, standard SKY or NTL receiver or a standard DVD player for that matter. Some HDTVs come with built-in tuners, while others do not. The tuner converts the signal into something that your TV can recognize. HDTVs that do not come with a tuner are commonly called "HDTV Ready." A HDTV without a tuner is worthless.There was a big legal fight between Consumer Electronics Association (CEA) and the FCC about including tuners in all HDTVs. The FCC wanted tuners to be included, while the CEA did not. FCC reasoned that the including tuners would increase adoption of HDTV. The CEA said that tuners are only for people who want to receive signals via antenna and is worthless for people who want to use external HD tuners like SKY's HD receiver. Another reason that the CEA argued against including tuners into HDTVs is that it would drive up the costs of manufacturing the HDTV. It looks like the FCC won, and as of July 2004 HDTVs with screens of 36 inches or more must be sold with a tuner included. Smaller sizes will be phased in over the next three years.


There are a few different levels of HD. These are 480p 720p 1080i and 1080p.The "p" means progressive and "i" mean interlaced. In both resolutions, every second has 60 frames of video. Progressive resolution puts 60 full frames on the screen every second. Interlaced resolution puts 30 frames of only odd lines and then 30 frames of only even lines up every second. Which resolution is better? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and future battles may be fought over this question. Some people like the slightly more "stable" picture of 720p, while others prefer the greater resolution of 1080i. The best way to figure this out is to run down to your local TV store and see for yourself. With newer HDTV's now supporting 1080p we are now entering the realm of expensive but incredibly clear resolutions.

How can i get true HDTV? Unfortunately were not as advanced as places like america and japan so our options are slightly limited and expensive. Here they are:

Pioneers PDP-5000EX 50" Plasma that supports 1080p - £5779.95
Sky HD- £299(for the box) + £10 per month extra subscription
Samsung BD-P1000 Blu-ray Player- £394
or you could kill 2 birds with one stone
Microsoft Xbox360 with HD-DVD player (released Nov 17th) approx £300 for premium

Im not an expert but i have done some research so if you have any questions or you disagree post here, i will help as much as possible.
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1d, 2m agoPosted 1 decade, 2 months ago
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#1
I have a question - what about the HDMI dvd players that also advertise themselves as being an "up scaler" of non-HD images.

A Dvd player I was looking at had the feature

[LIST]1080i/720p Up-Conversion
[/LIST]

Described as "can take conventional video and audio signals and upconvert them to breathtaking 720p/1080i quality"

Does this in fact make any difference or is it a waste of time and money
#2
CWhatley
I have a question - what about the HDMI dvd players that also advertise themselves as being an "up scaler" of non-HD images.

A Dvd player I was looking at had the feature

[LIST]1080i/720p Up-Conversion
[/LIST]

Described as "can take conventional video and audio signals and upconvert them to breathtaking 720p/1080i quality"

Does this in fact make any difference or is it a waste of time and money

Seems to work somewhat... a PC with dual core pentium Viiv 3.4 ghz processers running between a standard player + a HDMI input on your HDTV interpolating the image would work too... Awkward to set up though.
#3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hdtv

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/11/Standard_video_res.svg/480px-Standard_video_res.svg.png

PS: I've been watching stuff over DVI HDCP (that was a ******* to get working) to my samsung hdtv no problem and remember PAL is 20% less than anything upscaled as pure digital will include all 720lines of PAL
#4
omg sion5 that list is nutz, Sony do a 42" 1920x1080, and if u want 100% guarantee 1080p compatability, dream on, its still not a ratified standard and makers are using their own settings etc, so a Bluray dvd with [email protected] or 60fps can be viewed natively but most likely hassle free with a Sony Blu-Ray player and a Sony 1080p (claimed) tv.


The Sony Bravia 1080p 42" is about £3k ish which will give u a free skyhd box from the retailer £400 bluray player is nutz when ps3 will be that much, not to mention hd-dvd is already at £76 for a player, albeit less titles than BD at the moment.

If your gagging for hd now, buy the Sony imo, if your're not, wait, BBC1, ITV3 Sky One occasional programming and 2 sports and 2 movie channels arn't worth all the fuss at the moment, and nowhere near enough titles to justify the full hog just yet, my main reason for getting the Samsung was to watch nicer than my aging 28" CRT tv and to watch higher resolution xvids.
#5
schizoboy

I am not an expert in HD, but where you can find HD-DVD player for £76? I thought these were going for at least 500 quid or so?
#6
#7
Er... this is not HD-DVD player but rather player that can upscale SD signal from ordinary DVD to HD.
#8
Thats only an upscaling DVD player.

Very misleading name they have given it.

If you have an Xbox 360 connected by VGA, that can upscale to whatever resolituion you have it set to.
#9
OOO i stand corrected, very badly mislabled, sorry.
#10
The Xbox 360 currently supports upscaling to 1080i but with the new software download it will suport pure 1080p output when used with hdmi and hd-dvd adapter.

I know pioneer make a 42" plasma that supports 1080p but i couldnt find it to show it.

A good way to describe upscaling is like when you upsize a photo in photoshop, the in built computer tries to compensate and make it what it thinks it should be like, it does work but is not always that great. Sorry thats not scientifically described but its a bit laymen!!

I have played fight night round 3 on 1080i on the xbox360 and its absolutely incredible. Dont put HD down yet but i would wait till its cheaper and more common.
#11
sion5

Samsung BD-P1000 Blu-ray Player- £394


i think its much more expensive in UK
£856 @ Dixons
#12
Don't forget that those lower end 'upscaling' dvd players may or may not be better than any upscaling your hdtv does.
#13
[SIZE=2]Seriously, 1080p is overkill unless the TV is 50"+. I watch a lot of stuff in 720p (in the US) and the quality is amazing on my 42" Plasma, it is hard to imagine being able to really tell the difference between 720p and 1080p. Besides, broadcasters aren't filming (I'm referring to major US networks, correct me if I'm wrong) and certainly no one is broadcasting 1080p so getting something that will display 1080p seems like overkill. I know you want the TV to last a long time, but don't you want to give yourself an excuse to buy a shiny new 1080p HDTV in 5 years to replace what will then be the boring old TV you bought now..?[/SIZE]
#14
x0lliex is correct with regard to television and 1080p, its very very rare, as 1080p is meant for hd-dvd and bd-dvd, but I'm sure some films can be confirmed to 1080p.

Unfortunately ALOT of HDTV is recorded in 1080i, so while that would still look great @ 720p mode on a 37-40" hdtv, in peoples minds, mine at least, it's still a downscale, losing 50% of the original broadcast, I have a Samsung 32" but can't justify hdtv from cable or sky as 2 or 6 channels isn't worth it yet, Toshiba, LG, Sony all have 37"+ 1080i native screens now which will explode into the market next year. No idea if they can all be firmware upgraded to 1080p specs however.

Until then hdtv will be a niche market, hopefully when those displays take off so you can see hdtv channels natively it'll become more popular, and push for more content and cheaper prices.
#15
x0lliex
[SIZE=2]Seriously, 1080p is overkill unless the TV is 50"+. I watch a lot of stuff in 720p (in the US) [/SIZE]
I watch the NFL in UK, using various streaming net tv applications, and a great deal of the ads are for plasma and HDTv's, plus FOX transmit their NFL coverage in HD they see, that must be amazing!

As an aside, the advertisments during NFL are funny. All that i see are for fast food, "Ford Bold Moves", muscle cars, sports equipment, and mobile (cell) phones, and not much else. I think the ad execs call it a, captive audience :giggle:
#16
If you think 1080p is overkill then what do you make of ultra HD, its already been made just needs to be developed!!

Sport should be watched in 720p and films in 1080i, thats the way i find they work best!
#17
love how this is no longer the oldest threa xD oh how much this has improved over 6 years :D

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