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Link in first post Lovely how we turn a blind eye to the cancer that is Saudi Arabia, even supply them with even more arms than ever before, heck even going as far as nominating them to sit on the … Read More
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Lovely how we turn a blind eye to the cancer that is Saudi Arabia, even supply them with even more arms than ever before, heck even going as far as nominating them to sit on the UN Human Rights committee.

Lovely how Saudi Arabia is carrying out war crimes in Yemen that is equally ignored largely by the media and by the government. Yet the government is so concerned with the humanitarian crises in Syria (though rightly so) just like they were concerned about the crises in Libya (that worked out well) and Iraq (which also worked out well) so much so we were willing to waltz in illegally because "it was the right thing to do Tone/Dave". Oh wait BAA etc are making a tidy nice profit over selling arms to the Saudi's, it's all fine and above board, nothing to see here. Until of course our government in the not too distant future become concerned about the "crisis" over there where they need our taste of freedom and will use weapons they've bought from us to use against "us"
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banned 3 Likes #2
9-11

equals Saudi Arabia
1 Like #3
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11

equals Saudi Arabia



but somehow the UK and US couldn't do 1+1 and instead invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
banned#4
Backbreaker79
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia
but somehow the UK and US couldn't do 1+1 and instead invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.

I know. Very sad indeed.
#5
Backbreaker79
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia
but somehow the UK and US couldn't do 1+1 and instead invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.

They didn't investigate it long enough before invading Iraq, assuming Saddam was the culprit due to his endless crimes in his own country. Bush wasn't the smartest of guys either.

We'll have to wait many years before anyone even considers to take any kind of action on the Saudi's. Im sure though, if it came to it, the Saudi's would just offer a oil deal to keep the westerners from sniffing out their tracks.
#6
J4GG4
Backbreaker79
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia
but somehow the UK and US couldn't do 1+1 and instead invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.

They didn't investigate it long enough before invading Iraq, assuming Saddam was the culprit due to his endless crimes in his own country. Bush wasn't the smartest of guys either.

We'll have to wait many years before anyone even considers to take any kind of action on the Saudi's. Im sure though, if it came to it, the Saudi's would just offer a oil deal to keep the westerners from sniffing out their tracks.


well looking at the current situation oil or no oil the UK and US wouldn't think twice saudi have rapidly expanded becoming major players in the middle east and Asia.
1 Like #7
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia

Can you expand on that equation with some of those facts you claim to love so much.

Edited By: Fred Smith on Sep 27, 2016 03:38
#8
Fred Smith
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia
Can you expand on that equation with some of those facts you claim to love so much.
Can you expand on the fact you lied on the sikhiphobia thread, were made to look like a utter tool when I caught you lying, you then went to delete your comment to hide your idiocy. When that failed, because I was quick enough to quote your lie in my post, you got your mates to pull the thread thus hiding your lying.

You coward. First to accuse people but then go crying when you get caught making false accusations and lying.

Mods have shown their true colours.
#9
EN1GMA
Fred Smith
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia
Can you expand on that equation with some of those facts you claim to love so much.
Can you expand on the fact you lied on the sikhiphobia thread, were made to look like a utter tool when I caught you lying, you then went to delete your comment to hide your idiocy. When that failed, because I was quick enough to quote your lie in my post, you got your mates to pull the thread thus hiding your lying.
You coward. First to accuse people but then go crying when you get caught making false accusations and lying.
Mods have shown their true colours.

Calm down dear.
Lying? How very dare you!!! The thread is still there for all to see and only in Enigma's Bizzaro World does #15 and #54 come after #92 and #110.
I suppose next you'll be accusing me of stalking you on this thread too you strange looney.
#10
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia
How does it - facts would be helpful?
#11
Backbreaker79
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia
but somehow the UK and US couldn't do 1+1 and instead invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
Saddam sympathy?
#12
Fred Smith
EN1GMA
Fred Smith
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia
Can you expand on that equation with some of those facts you claim to love so much.
Can you expand on the fact you lied on the sikhiphobia thread, were made to look like a utter tool when I caught you lying, you then went to delete your comment to hide your idiocy. When that failed, because I was quick enough to quote your lie in my post, you got your mates to pull the thread thus hiding your lying.
You coward. First to accuse people but then go crying when you get caught making false accusations and lying.
Mods have shown their true colours.
Calm down dear.
Lying? How very dare you!!! The thread is still there for all to see and only in Enigma's Bizzaro World does #15 and #54 come after #92 and #110.
I suppose next you'll be accusing me of stalking you on this thread too you strange looney.
How convenient. Threads gets magically cleaned up and deletes your post in which you made your spurious claims. My subsequent post copying your deleted quote also got pulled, which showed your lying you lying idiot.

You can thank your buddy mods for helping you out.

You clearly posted I was stalking you but me responding to you first. I then proved that my first foray into the thread was post #87 responding to j4gga. It was you who replied to me #126.

But once I pulled you up on it, like the coward that you are, deleted your post. I had though quoted your deleted post which made you look like the lyer that you are.

And when you realised that my post included your lying comments, you spammed the thread, or mods pulled it, cleaned it to help you out.

You keep on lying Frederick. You make a false accusations about me, are made to look like the lying idiot that you are and then need the mods help to back you up.



Edited By: EN1GMA on Sep 27, 2016 07:23
#13
Fred Smith
EN1GMA
Fred Smith
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia
Can you expand on that equation with some of those facts you claim to love so much.
Can you expand on the fact you lied on the sikhiphobia thread, were made to look like a utter tool when I caught you lying, you then went to delete your comment to hide your idiocy. When that failed, because I was quick enough to quote your lie in my post, you got your mates to pull the thread thus hiding your lying.
You coward. First to accuse people but then go crying when you get caught making false accusations and lying.
Mods have shown their true colours.
Calm down dear.
Lying? How very dare you!!! The thread is still there for all to see and only in Enigma's Bizzaro World does #15 and #54 come after #92 and #110.
I suppose next you'll be accusing me of stalking you on this thread too you strange looney.

You accused me of stalking you by responding to you twice first in the sikhiphobia thread.

I then pointed out my first foray into the thread was to respond to j4gga. It was you who responded to me first on post #126.

Once I pointed out this blatant lie of yours, you quickly deleted your post, but not before I had quoted in my response.

Once you realised you look like a moronic little lyer, you spammed the thread and the mods 'cleaned :up the thread.

Going back on yourself by coming up with other posts just shows me the lying coward that you are.

I don't mind rigorous debate, but when people lie and them get help from mods to cover up, it makes it a joke.

Edited By: EN1GMA on Sep 27, 2016 07:36
#14
J4GG4
Backbreaker79
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia
but somehow the UK and US couldn't do 1+1 and instead invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
They didn't investigate it long enough before invading Iraq, assuming Saddam was the culprit due to his endless crimes in his own country. Bush wasn't the smartest of guys either.
We'll have to wait many years before anyone even considers to take any kind of action on the Saudi's. Im sure though, if it came to it, the Saudi's would just offer a oil deal to keep the westerners from sniffing out their tracks.


Rubbish no one even at the time thought Iraq had anything to do with it, everyone knew Bush had an axe to grind and was looking for any excuse no matter how poorly thought out.
1 Like #15
Error440
J4GG4
Backbreaker79
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia
but somehow the UK and US couldn't do 1+1 and instead invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
They didn't investigate it long enough before invading Iraq, assuming Saddam was the culprit due to his endless crimes in his own country. Bush wasn't the smartest of guys either.
We'll have to wait many years before anyone even considers to take any kind of action on the Saudi's. Im sure though, if it came to it, the Saudi's would just offer a oil deal to keep the westerners from sniffing out their tracks.
Rubbish no one even at the time thought Iraq had anything to do with it, everyone knew Bush had an axe to grind and was looking for any excuse no matter how poorly thought out.
how on earth does this relate to Yemen? Or do the Yemen comments just relate to hatred against the UK and US - usual Westophobic attitudes in this thread?
#16
Don't worry mods, keep on deleting my posts which show your double standards in helping and backing certain members who make blatant lies and accusations against other members.
#17
EN1GMA, it's not worth attacking the mods. They have a tough job.

People know about Fred so you're proving your point. Many of us have caught him out. Relax, continue pointing out his lies and every now and then just put his posts into Google-you'll be amazed how much is copy and pasted.
1 Like #18
I think its for the best that any and all action is taken to ensure the best interests of Britian going forward.

We are doing away with EU institution involvement in our lives, the Blair era of love all people and being PC has ended and the people are embracing it.

No point being out there and pulling down our pants to take a beating b/c its "right"! Saudi is our man protect right now for deals then so be it!

Edited By: groenleader on Sep 27, 2016 08:30
#19
This is perfect fodder for the EU to bash the UK with and in this instance the rest of the EU should simply tell us to go take a running jump and start their enquiries without us.
1 Like #20
reddit
This is perfect fodder for the EU to bash the UK with and in this instance the rest of the EU should simply tell us to go take a running jump and start their enquiries without us.
I think you need to google United Nations, it is a little bit bigger than just Europe.
#21
Al18
davewave
Error440
J4GG4
Backbreaker79
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia
but somehow the UK and US couldn't do 1+1 and instead invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
They didn't investigate it long enough before invading Iraq, assuming Saddam was the culprit due to his endless crimes in his own country. Bush wasn't the smartest of guys either.
We'll have to wait many years before anyone even considers to take any kind of action on the Saudi's. Im sure though, if it came to it, the Saudi's would just offer a oil deal to keep the westerners from sniffing out their tracks.
Rubbish no one even at the time thought Iraq had anything to do with it, everyone knew Bush had an axe to grind and was looking for any excuse no matter how poorly thought out.
how on earth does this relate to Yemen? Or do the Yemen comments just relate to hatred against the UK and US - usual Westophobic attitudes in this thread?

Ah if I as a Brit employ my freedom to criticise the actions of my country I must paradoxically be anti-Brit. OK ultimate Brit davewave. Permission to criticise our foreign policy davewave? Or am I self hating if I don't sit down and swallow what my government tells me davewave?

It's pretty much a well known fact the invasion of Iraq wasn't for humanitarian reasons as the official line given was that Iraq had WMD's, and then when Bush and Tony et al realised that lie wouldn't float anymore they claimed it's cos Iraq was harbouring al-qaeda (oh the irony) and then when it became messy it was regime change because oh Saddam was oppressing his people oh so much we needed to liberate them, even though they were being brutalised using our weapons from the 80's onwards, even allowing it to happen because Saddam was our ally


one day perhaps you could have a leader as lovely as Saddam.
#22
davewave
Al18
davewave
Error440
J4GG4
Backbreaker79
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia
but somehow the UK and US couldn't do 1+1 and instead invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
They didn't investigate it long enough before invading Iraq, assuming Saddam was the culprit due to his endless crimes in his own country. Bush wasn't the smartest of guys either.
We'll have to wait many years before anyone even considers to take any kind of action on the Saudi's. Im sure though, if it came to it, the Saudi's would just offer a oil deal to keep the westerners from sniffing out their tracks.
Rubbish no one even at the time thought Iraq had anything to do with it, everyone knew Bush had an axe to grind and was looking for any excuse no matter how poorly thought out.
how on earth does this relate to Yemen? Or do the Yemen comments just relate to hatred against the UK and US - usual Westophobic attitudes in this thread?
Ah if I as a Brit employ my freedom to criticise the actions of my country I must paradoxically be anti-Brit. OK ultimate Brit davewave. Permission to criticise our foreign policy davewave? Or am I self hating if I don't sit down and swallow what my government tells me davewave?
It's pretty much a well known fact the invasion of Iraq wasn't for humanitarian reasons as the official line given was that Iraq had WMD's, and then when Bush and Tony et al realised that lie wouldn't float anymore they claimed it's cos Iraq was harbouring al-qaeda (oh the irony) and then when it became messy it was regime change because oh Saddam was oppressing his people oh so much we needed to liberate them, even though they were being brutalised using our weapons from the 80's onwards, even allowing it to happen because Saddam was our ally
one day perhaps you could have a leader as lovely as Saddam.

Strong debating points. Are you going to attempt refuting any of the points I've made? Come back to adult world davewave and stand by your comments like a man and refute arguments like a grown up

Also touch up on your comprehension. I didn't say I wanted a leader like Saddam, unless of course you've employed that awesome critical thinking skills of yours and inferred that being critical of the government = wanting to live under Saddam?

If you're going to retort to ad hominem attacks and throw around accusations somebody of being anti Brit, you better have a damn good way to prove it davwave

Edited By: Al18 on Sep 27, 2016 10:07
#23
davewave
Al18
davewave
Error440
J4GG4
Backbreaker79
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia
but somehow the UK and US couldn't do 1+1 and instead invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
They didn't investigate it long enough before invading Iraq, assuming Saddam was the culprit due to his endless crimes in his own country. Bush wasn't the smartest of guys either.
We'll have to wait many years before anyone even considers to take any kind of action on the Saudi's. Im sure though, if it came to it, the Saudi's would just offer a oil deal to keep the westerners from sniffing out their tracks.
Rubbish no one even at the time thought Iraq had anything to do with it, everyone knew Bush had an axe to grind and was looking for any excuse no matter how poorly thought out.
how on earth does this relate to Yemen? Or do the Yemen comments just relate to hatred against the UK and US - usual Westophobic attitudes in this thread?
Ah if I as a Brit employ my freedom to criticise the actions of my country I must paradoxically be anti-Brit. OK ultimate Brit davewave. Permission to criticise our foreign policy davewave? Or am I self hating if I don't sit down and swallow what my government tells me davewave?
It's pretty much a well known fact the invasion of Iraq wasn't for humanitarian reasons as the official line given was that Iraq had WMD's, and then when Bush and Tony et al realised that lie wouldn't float anymore they claimed it's cos Iraq was harbouring al-qaeda (oh the irony) and then when it became messy it was regime change because oh Saddam was oppressing his people oh so much we needed to liberate them, even though they were being brutalised using our weapons from the 80's onwards, even allowing it to happen because Saddam was our ally
one day perhaps you could have a leader as lovely as Saddam.


Considering the nature of that vast country filled with rivalry it needed an iron boot to maintain order, its not that dissimilar to ancient china really, the first emperor was a tyrant, saddam was a puppy dog compared to him but ultimately his tyranny saved more lives then it cost by uniting a nation that still stands today at peace.

People need to understand that there never was and never will be a one size fits all style of governance, every nation has its own way that is right for them to maintain order, I dont think anyone would argue that irag now is better then it was in the 80s
1 Like #24
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia

I thought it equals -2 :3
#25
groenleader
I think its for the best that any and all action is taken to ensure the best interests of Britian going forward.
We are doing away with EU institution involvement in our lives, the Blair era of love all people and being PC has ended and the people are embracing it.
No point being out there and pulling down our pants to take a beating b/c its "right"! Saudi is our man protect right now for deals then so be it!

Saudi is the man to protect, even though the cancer has been funding world wide Wahhabist ideology and terrorism? We're allied with those known to have funded and currently funding the ones we're supposedly fighting, those bad guys that has the sensible western world in mass hysteria? Those are our guys? You know you're being hoodwinked right?

Edited By: Al18 on Sep 27, 2016 10:17
2 Likes #26
Error440
davewave
Al18
davewave
Error440
J4GG4
Backbreaker79
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia
but somehow the UK and US couldn't do 1+1 and instead invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
They didn't investigate it long enough before invading Iraq, assuming Saddam was the culprit due to his endless crimes in his own country. Bush wasn't the smartest of guys either.
We'll have to wait many years before anyone even considers to take any kind of action on the Saudi's. Im sure though, if it came to it, the Saudi's would just offer a oil deal to keep the westerners from sniffing out their tracks.
Rubbish no one even at the time thought Iraq had anything to do with it, everyone knew Bush had an axe to grind and was looking for any excuse no matter how poorly thought out.
how on earth does this relate to Yemen? Or do the Yemen comments just relate to hatred against the UK and US - usual Westophobic attitudes in this thread?
Ah if I as a Brit employ my freedom to criticise the actions of my country I must paradoxically be anti-Brit. OK ultimate Brit davewave. Permission to criticise our foreign policy davewave? Or am I self hating if I don't sit down and swallow what my government tells me davewave?
It's pretty much a well known fact the invasion of Iraq wasn't for humanitarian reasons as the official line given was that Iraq had WMD's, and then when Bush and Tony et al realised that lie wouldn't float anymore they claimed it's cos Iraq was harbouring al-qaeda (oh the irony) and then when it became messy it was regime change because oh Saddam was oppressing his people oh so much we needed to liberate them, even though they were being brutalised using our weapons from the 80's onwards, even allowing it to happen because Saddam was our ally
one day perhaps you could have a leader as lovely as Saddam.
Considering the nature of that vast country filled with rivalry it needed an iron boot to maintain order, its not that dissimilar to ancient china really, the first emperor was a tyrant, saddam was a puppy dog compared to him but ultimately his tyranny saved more lives then it cost by uniting a nation that still stands today at peace.
People need to understand that there never was and never will be a one size fits all style of governance, every nation has its own way that is right for them to maintain order, I dont think anyone would argue that irag now is better then it was in the 80s

How dare you provide a sound, rational explanation? Don't you know davewave will retort to his usual one sentence tropes and call you "Anti western" and tell you to "live under Saddam"?
#27
Al18
groenleader
I think its for the best that any and all action is taken to ensure the best interests of Britian going forward.
We are doing away with EU institution involvement in our lives, the Blair era of love all people and being PC has ended and the people are embracing it.
No point being out there and pulling down our pants to take a beating b/c its "right"! Saudi is our man protect right now for deals then so be it!
Saudi is the man to protect, even though the cancer has been funding world wide Wahhabist ideology and terrorism? We're allied with those known to have funded and currently funding the ones we're supposedly fighting, those bad guys that has the sensible western world in mass hysteria? Those are our guys? You know you're being hoodwinked right?


Money, money, money must be funny in a rich mans world.
#28
Al18
Error440
davewave
Al18
davewave
Error440
J4GG4
Backbreaker79
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia
but somehow the UK and US couldn't do 1+1 and instead invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
They didn't investigate it long enough before invading Iraq, assuming Saddam was the culprit due to his endless crimes in his own country. Bush wasn't the smartest of guys either.
We'll have to wait many years before anyone even considers to take any kind of action on the Saudi's. Im sure though, if it came to it, the Saudi's would just offer a oil deal to keep the westerners from sniffing out their tracks.
Rubbish no one even at the time thought Iraq had anything to do with it, everyone knew Bush had an axe to grind and was looking for any excuse no matter how poorly thought out.
how on earth does this relate to Yemen? Or do the Yemen comments just relate to hatred against the UK and US - usual Westophobic attitudes in this thread?
Ah if I as a Brit employ my freedom to criticise the actions of my country I must paradoxically be anti-Brit. OK ultimate Brit davewave. Permission to criticise our foreign policy davewave? Or am I self hating if I don't sit down and swallow what my government tells me davewave?
It's pretty much a well known fact the invasion of Iraq wasn't for humanitarian reasons as the official line given was that Iraq had WMD's, and then when Bush and Tony et al realised that lie wouldn't float anymore they claimed it's cos Iraq was harbouring al-qaeda (oh the irony) and then when it became messy it was regime change because oh Saddam was oppressing his people oh so much we needed to liberate them, even though they were being brutalised using our weapons from the 80's onwards, even allowing it to happen because Saddam was our ally
one day perhaps you could have a leader as lovely as Saddam.
Considering the nature of that vast country filled with rivalry it needed an iron boot to maintain order, its not that dissimilar to ancient china really, the first emperor was a tyrant, saddam was a puppy dog compared to him but ultimately his tyranny saved more lives then it cost by uniting a nation that still stands today at peace.
People need to understand that there never was and never will be a one size fits all style of governance, every nation has its own way that is right for them to maintain order, I dont think anyone would argue that irag now is better then it was in the 80s
How dare you provide a sound, rational explanation? Don't you know davewave will retort to his usual one sentence tropes and call you "Anti western" and tell you to "live under Saddam"?


Was he buried? I do like the look of some of those cave homes people have but never been a fan of the idea of subterranean living, I would hate to live in a basement flat too.
#29
superspeedy
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia

I thought it equals -2 :3


-Iraq & Afghanistan. Makes sense :{
#30
superspeedy
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia

I thought it equals -2 :3


- Iraq and Afghanistan. Makes sense :{
#31
hutchir9
reddit
This is perfect fodder for the EU to bash the UK with and in this instance the rest of the EU should simply tell us to go take a running jump and start their enquiries without us.
I think you need to google United Nations, it is a little bit bigger than just Europe.

The article states.

Britain has blocked European Union efforts
#32
Error440
davewave
Al18
davewave
Error440
J4GG4
Backbreaker79
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia
but somehow the UK and US couldn't do 1+1 and instead invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
They didn't investigate it long enough before invading Iraq, assuming Saddam was the culprit due to his endless crimes in his own country. Bush wasn't the smartest of guys either.
We'll have to wait many years before anyone even considers to take any kind of action on the Saudi's. Im sure though, if it came to it, the Saudi's would just offer a oil deal to keep the westerners from sniffing out their tracks.
Rubbish no one even at the time thought Iraq had anything to do with it, everyone knew Bush had an axe to grind and was looking for any excuse no matter how poorly thought out.
how on earth does this relate to Yemen? Or do the Yemen comments just relate to hatred against the UK and US - usual Westophobic attitudes in this thread?
Ah if I as a Brit employ my freedom to criticise the actions of my country I must paradoxically be anti-Brit. OK ultimate Brit davewave. Permission to criticise our foreign policy davewave? Or am I self hating if I don't sit down and swallow what my government tells me davewave?
It's pretty much a well known fact the invasion of Iraq wasn't for humanitarian reasons as the official line given was that Iraq had WMD's, and then when Bush and Tony et al realised that lie wouldn't float anymore they claimed it's cos Iraq was harbouring al-qaeda (oh the irony) and then when it became messy it was regime change because oh Saddam was oppressing his people oh so much we needed to liberate them, even though they were being brutalised using our weapons from the 80's onwards, even allowing it to happen because Saddam was our ally
one day perhaps you could have a leader as lovely as Saddam.
Considering the nature of that vast country filled with rivalry it needed an iron boot to maintain order, its not that dissimilar to ancient china really, the first emperor was a tyrant, saddam was a puppy dog compared to him but ultimately his tyranny saved more lives then it cost by uniting a nation that still stands today at peace.
People need to understand that there never was and never will be a one size fits all style of governance, every nation has its own way that is right for them to maintain order, I dont think anyone would argue that irag now is better then it was in the 80s
Well I am sure Iraqis would not be happy with the assertion that they should suffer 100'000's of killings by their leader because China had a more brutal leader.
#33
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia
I reckon Obama can prove it was the Saudi's which orchestrated it all, with osama their right hand man. But being a wimp and a sympathizer he's holding back. 15 or so of those hijackers are directly from Saudi Arabia, if it was all created by bush which a lot of the particular religious sects try to brain wash regular people in believing on a regular basis on social media then the Saudi's would jump out of their hole and say...These 15 hijackers don't exist. Which they haven't, because they exist as Saudi nationals, or shall i say existed.

The same people that try to brain wash regular people that it was the bush administration that created this attack, are the same people that celebrated this attack weeks/months after until the dust settled and then they turned their tactics to trying to make people turn against the American government. 2 of my friends were high-fiving each other when the attacks happened, now 1 of them spends a large part of their time forwarding propaganda and other crap on social media to try to prove the Bush administration did it. Their main argument is ''Jet fuel cannot melt steal beams'', as if they have recreated a plane exploding in a small space.
#34
davewave
Error440
davewave
Al18
davewave
Error440
J4GG4
Backbreaker79
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia
but somehow the UK and US couldn't do 1+1 and instead invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
They didn't investigate it long enough before invading Iraq, assuming Saddam was the culprit due to his endless crimes in his own country. Bush wasn't the smartest of guys either.
We'll have to wait many years before anyone even considers to take any kind of action on the Saudi's. Im sure though, if it came to it, the Saudi's would just offer a oil deal to keep the westerners from sniffing out their tracks.
Rubbish no one even at the time thought Iraq had anything to do with it, everyone knew Bush had an axe to grind and was looking for any excuse no matter how poorly thought out.
how on earth does this relate to Yemen? Or do the Yemen comments just relate to hatred against the UK and US - usual Westophobic attitudes in this thread?
Ah if I as a Brit employ my freedom to criticise the actions of my country I must paradoxically be anti-Brit. OK ultimate Brit davewave. Permission to criticise our foreign policy davewave? Or am I self hating if I don't sit down and swallow what my government tells me davewave?
It's pretty much a well known fact the invasion of Iraq wasn't for humanitarian reasons as the official line given was that Iraq had WMD's, and then when Bush and Tony et al realised that lie wouldn't float anymore they claimed it's cos Iraq was harbouring al-qaeda (oh the irony) and then when it became messy it was regime change because oh Saddam was oppressing his people oh so much we needed to liberate them, even though they were being brutalised using our weapons from the 80's onwards, even allowing it to happen because Saddam was our ally
one day perhaps you could have a leader as lovely as Saddam.
Considering the nature of that vast country filled with rivalry it needed an iron boot to maintain order, its not that dissimilar to ancient china really, the first emperor was a tyrant, saddam was a puppy dog compared to him but ultimately his tyranny saved more lives then it cost by uniting a nation that still stands today at peace.
People need to understand that there never was and never will be a one size fits all style of governance, every nation has its own way that is right for them to maintain order, I dont think anyone would argue that irag now is better then it was in the 80s
Well I am sure Iraqis would not be happy with the assertion that they should suffer 100'000's of killings by their leader because China had a more brutal leader.

Deliberately missing the point about past and present I see, you must take those blinkers off sometime they cause chaffing.
#35
davewave
Error440
davewave
Al18
davewave
Error440
J4GG4
Backbreaker79
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia
but somehow the UK and US couldn't do 1+1 and instead invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
They didn't investigate it long enough before invading Iraq, assuming Saddam was the culprit due to his endless crimes in his own country. Bush wasn't the smartest of guys either.
We'll have to wait many years before anyone even considers to take any kind of action on the Saudi's. Im sure though, if it came to it, the Saudi's would just offer a oil deal to keep the westerners from sniffing out their tracks.
Rubbish no one even at the time thought Iraq had anything to do with it, everyone knew Bush had an axe to grind and was looking for any excuse no matter how poorly thought out.
how on earth does this relate to Yemen? Or do the Yemen comments just relate to hatred against the UK and US - usual Westophobic attitudes in this thread?
Ah if I as a Brit employ my freedom to criticise the actions of my country I must paradoxically be anti-Brit. OK ultimate Brit davewave. Permission to criticise our foreign policy davewave? Or am I self hating if I don't sit down and swallow what my government tells me davewave?
It's pretty much a well known fact the invasion of Iraq wasn't for humanitarian reasons as the official line given was that Iraq had WMD's, and then when Bush and Tony et al realised that lie wouldn't float anymore they claimed it's cos Iraq was harbouring al-qaeda (oh the irony) and then when it became messy it was regime change because oh Saddam was oppressing his people oh so much we needed to liberate them, even though they were being brutalised using our weapons from the 80's onwards, even allowing it to happen because Saddam was our ally
one day perhaps you could have a leader as lovely as Saddam.
Considering the nature of that vast country filled with rivalry it needed an iron boot to maintain order, its not that dissimilar to ancient china really, the first emperor was a tyrant, saddam was a puppy dog compared to him but ultimately his tyranny saved more lives then it cost by uniting a nation that still stands today at peace.
People need to understand that there never was and never will be a one size fits all style of governance, every nation has its own way that is right for them to maintain order, I dont think anyone would argue that irag now is better then it was in the 80s
Well I am sure Iraqis would not be happy with the assertion that they should suffer 100'000's of killings by their leader because China had a more brutal leader.

Hi davewave since you were able to respond to Error440 who posted after me maybe you can refute my arguments?

In case you've missed it, here it is:


Al18
davewave
Al18
davewave
Error440
J4GG4
Backbreaker79
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia
but somehow the UK and US couldn't do 1+1 and instead invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
They didn't investigate it long enough before invading Iraq, assuming Saddam was the culprit due to his endless crimes in his own country. Bush wasn't the smartest of guys either.
We'll have to wait many years before anyone even considers to take any kind of action on the Saudi's. Im sure though, if it came to it, the Saudi's would just offer a oil deal to keep the westerners from sniffing out their tracks.
Rubbish no one even at the time thought Iraq had anything to do with it, everyone knew Bush had an axe to grind and was looking for any excuse no matter how poorly thought out.
how on earth does this relate to Yemen? Or do the Yemen comments just relate to hatred against the UK and US - usual Westophobic attitudes in this thread?
Ah if I as a Brit employ my freedom to criticise the actions of my country I must paradoxically be anti-Brit. OK ultimate Brit davewave. Permission to criticise our foreign policy davewave? Or am I self hating if I don't sit down and swallow what my government tells me davewave?
It's pretty much a well known fact the invasion of Iraq wasn't for humanitarian reasons as the official line given was that Iraq had WMD's, and then when Bush and Tony et al realised that lie wouldn't float anymore they claimed it's cos Iraq was harbouring al-qaeda (oh the irony) and then when it became messy it was regime change because oh Saddam was oppressing his people oh so much we needed to liberate them, even though they were being brutalised using our weapons from the 80's onwards, even allowing it to happen because Saddam was our ally
one day perhaps you could have a leader as lovely as Saddam.
Strong debating points. Are you going to attempt refuting any of the points I've made? Come back to adult world davewave and stand by your comments like a man and refute arguments like a grown up
Also touch up on your comprehension. I didn't say I wanted a leader like Saddam, unless of course you've employed that awesome critical thinking skills of yours and inferred that being critical of the government = wanting to live under Saddam?
If you're going to retort to ad hominem attacks and throw around accusations somebody of being anti Brit, you better have a damn good way to prove it davwave

That's how a debate works dave. Especially if you're running around making false accusations of people being Anti Western and pro Saddam.

Unless of course you're a Saudi shill which is unlikely considering even the KSA would somewhat train their propaganda trolls to be able to argue on the internet :3
#36
Al18
davewave
Error440
davewave
Al18
davewave
Error440
J4GG4
Backbreaker79
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia
but somehow the UK and US couldn't do 1+1 and instead invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
They didn't investigate it long enough before invading Iraq, assuming Saddam was the culprit due to his endless crimes in his own country. Bush wasn't the smartest of guys either.
We'll have to wait many years before anyone even considers to take any kind of action on the Saudi's. Im sure though, if it came to it, the Saudi's would just offer a oil deal to keep the westerners from sniffing out their tracks.
Rubbish no one even at the time thought Iraq had anything to do with it, everyone knew Bush had an axe to grind and was looking for any excuse no matter how poorly thought out.
how on earth does this relate to Yemen? Or do the Yemen comments just relate to hatred against the UK and US - usual Westophobic attitudes in this thread?
Ah if I as a Brit employ my freedom to criticise the actions of my country I must paradoxically be anti-Brit. OK ultimate Brit davewave. Permission to criticise our foreign policy davewave? Or am I self hating if I don't sit down and swallow what my government tells me davewave?
It's pretty much a well known fact the invasion of Iraq wasn't for humanitarian reasons as the official line given was that Iraq had WMD's, and then when Bush and Tony et al realised that lie wouldn't float anymore they claimed it's cos Iraq was harbouring al-qaeda (oh the irony) and then when it became messy it was regime change because oh Saddam was oppressing his people oh so much we needed to liberate them, even though they were being brutalised using our weapons from the 80's onwards, even allowing it to happen because Saddam was our ally
one day perhaps you could have a leader as lovely as Saddam.
Considering the nature of that vast country filled with rivalry it needed an iron boot to maintain order, its not that dissimilar to ancient china really, the first emperor was a tyrant, saddam was a puppy dog compared to him but ultimately his tyranny saved more lives then it cost by uniting a nation that still stands today at peace.
People need to understand that there never was and never will be a one size fits all style of governance, every nation has its own way that is right for them to maintain order, I dont think anyone would argue that irag now is better then it was in the 80s
Well I am sure Iraqis would not be happy with the assertion that they should suffer 100'000's of killings by their leader because China had a more brutal leader.
Hi davewave since you were able to respond to Error440 who posted after me maybe you can refute my arguments?
In case you've missed it, here it is:
Al18
davewave
Al18
davewave
Error440
J4GG4
Backbreaker79
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia
but somehow the UK and US couldn't do 1+1 and instead invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
They didn't investigate it long enough before invading Iraq, assuming Saddam was the culprit due to his endless crimes in his own country. Bush wasn't the smartest of guys either.
We'll have to wait many years before anyone even considers to take any kind of action on the Saudi's. Im sure though, if it came to it, the Saudi's would just offer a oil deal to keep the westerners from sniffing out their tracks.
Rubbish no one even at the time thought Iraq had anything to do with it, everyone knew Bush had an axe to grind and was looking for any excuse no matter how poorly thought out.
how on earth does this relate to Yemen? Or do the Yemen comments just relate to hatred against the UK and US - usual Westophobic attitudes in this thread?
Ah if I as a Brit employ my freedom to criticise the actions of my country I must paradoxically be anti-Brit. OK ultimate Brit davewave. Permission to criticise our foreign policy davewave? Or am I self hating if I don't sit down and swallow what my government tells me davewave?
It's pretty much a well known fact the invasion of Iraq wasn't for humanitarian reasons as the official line given was that Iraq had WMD's, and then when Bush and Tony et al realised that lie wouldn't float anymore they claimed it's cos Iraq was harbouring al-qaeda (oh the irony) and then when it became messy it was regime change because oh Saddam was oppressing his people oh so much we needed to liberate them, even though they were being brutalised using our weapons from the 80's onwards, even allowing it to happen because Saddam was our ally
one day perhaps you could have a leader as lovely as Saddam.
Strong debating points. Are you going to attempt refuting any of the points I've made? Come back to adult world davewave and stand by your comments like a man and refute arguments like a grown up
Also touch up on your comprehension. I didn't say I wanted a leader like Saddam, unless of course you've employed that awesome critical thinking skills of yours and inferred that being critical of the government = wanting to live under Saddam?
If you're going to retort to ad hominem attacks and throw around accusations somebody of being anti Brit, you better have a damn good way to prove it davwave
That's how a debate works dave. Especially if you're running around making false accusations of people being Anti Western and pro Saddam.
Unless of course you're a Saudi shill which is unlikely considering even the KSA would somewhat train their propaganda trolls to be able to argue on the internet :3
I have set some people to ignore, I am not a Saudi shill whatever that is, what was your question again.
#37
Al18
davewave
Error440
J4GG4
Backbreaker79
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia
but somehow the UK and US couldn't do 1+1 and instead invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
They didn't investigate it long enough before invading Iraq, assuming Saddam was the culprit due to his endless crimes in his own country. Bush wasn't the smartest of guys either.
We'll have to wait many years before anyone even considers to take any kind of action on the Saudi's. Im sure though, if it came to it, the Saudi's would just offer a oil deal to keep the westerners from sniffing out their tracks.
Rubbish no one even at the time thought Iraq had anything to do with it, everyone knew Bush had an axe to grind and was looking for any excuse no matter how poorly thought out.
how on earth does this relate to Yemen? Or do the Yemen comments just relate to hatred against the UK and US - usual Westophobic attitudes in this thread?
Ah if I as a Brit employ my freedom to criticise the actions of my country I must paradoxically be anti-Brit. OK ultimate Brit davewave. Permission to criticise our foreign policy davewave? Or am I self hating if I don't sit down and swallow what my government tells me davewave?
It's pretty much a well known fact the invasion of Iraq wasn't for humanitarian reasons as the official line given was that Iraq had WMD's, and then when Bush and Tony et al realised that lie wouldn't float anymore they claimed it's cos Iraq was harbouring al-qaeda (oh the irony) and then when it became messy it was regime change because oh Saddam was oppressing his people oh so much we needed to liberate them, even though they were being brutalised using our weapons from the 80's onwards, even allowing it to happen because Saddam was our ally

Funny because Blair's speech to parliament on the day of the free vote on intervention in Iraq none of what you claim is mentioned.
See for yourself... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg9aEV9bcxs
#38
Al18
groenleader
I think its for the best that any and all action is taken to ensure the best interests of Britian going forward.
We are doing away with EU institution involvement in our lives, the Blair era of love all people and being PC has ended and the people are embracing it.
No point being out there and pulling down our pants to take a beating b/c its "right"! Saudi is our man protect right now for deals then so be it!
Saudi is the man to protect, even though the cancer has been funding world wide Wahhabist ideology and terrorism? We're allied with those known to have funded and currently funding the ones we're supposedly fighting, those bad guys that has the sensible western world in mass hysteria? Those are our guys? You know you're being hoodwinked right?

So do you think we should shut down all Saudi funded Mosques in the UK?
#39
Al18
groenleader
I think its for the best that any and all action is taken to ensure the best interests of Britian going forward.
We are doing away with EU institution involvement in our lives, the Blair era of love all people and being PC has ended and the people are embracing it.
No point being out there and pulling down our pants to take a beating b/c its "right"! Saudi is our man protect right now for deals then so be it!
Saudi is the man to protect, even though the cancer has been funding world wide Wahhabist ideology and terrorism? We're allied with those known to have funded and currently funding the ones we're supposedly fighting, those bad guys that has the sensible western world in mass hysteria? Those are our guys? You know you're being hoodwinked right?

So who do you consider to be the good guys in Syria? The government forces and Hezbollah or the YPG and FSA (both the YPG and FSA are fighting Assad and ISIS)?
#40
Fred Smith
Al18
davewave
Error440
J4GG4
Backbreaker79
YouDontWantToKnow
9-11
equals Saudi Arabia
but somehow the UK and US couldn't do 1+1 and instead invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
They didn't investigate it long enough before invading Iraq, assuming Saddam was the culprit due to his endless crimes in his own country. Bush wasn't the smartest of guys either.
We'll have to wait many years before anyone even considers to take any kind of action on the Saudi's. Im sure though, if it came to it, the Saudi's would just offer a oil deal to keep the westerners from sniffing out their tracks.
Rubbish no one even at the time thought Iraq had anything to do with it, everyone knew Bush had an axe to grind and was looking for any excuse no matter how poorly thought out.
how on earth does this relate to Yemen? Or do the Yemen comments just relate to hatred against the UK and US - usual Westophobic attitudes in this thread?
Ah if I as a Brit employ my freedom to criticise the actions of my country I must paradoxically be anti-Brit. OK ultimate Brit davewave. Permission to criticise our foreign policy davewave? Or am I self hating if I don't sit down and swallow what my government tells me davewave?
It's pretty much a well known fact the invasion of Iraq wasn't for humanitarian reasons as the official line given was that Iraq had WMD's, and then when Bush and Tony et al realised that lie wouldn't float anymore they claimed it's cos Iraq was harbouring al-qaeda (oh the irony) and then when it became messy it was regime change because oh Saddam was oppressing his people oh so much we needed to liberate them, even though they were being brutalised using our weapons from the 80's onwards, even allowing it to happen because Saddam was our ally
Funny because Blair's speech to parliament on the day of the free vote on intervention in Iraq none of what you claim is mentioned.
See for yourself... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg9aEV9bcxs

Which further illustrates how flip floppity Mr Blair and his cronies spouted. Am I imagining the official justification being WMD's? Something about 45 minute's to deploy, UN inspectors, and Dr David Kelly? Have I imagined all that?

In the first 2 minutes of the video old Tony talks about Saddam's human rights violations. Remind me, what human rights attrocities were taking place in 2003? Or is he referring to the the decades prior, when he was our ally and was massacring his own people using our weapons and funds whilst we stood by and watched? Or that other time when he stopped being our "ally" and we had no more use for him and then massacred more people? You must be delusional if you think we went in to " Free The People ™ "; if that was truly the intention why not liberate the people were visible human rights attrocities are taking place i.e. N. Korea, Sudan, D.R. Congo etc. You must be truly naive to think any action they took was for altruistic reasons. The Chilcot Report is plainly available for all to see.

Fred Smith
Al18
groenleader
I think its for the best that any and all action is taken to ensure the best interests of Britian going forward.
We are doing away with EU institution involvement in our lives, the Blair era of love all people and being PC has ended and the people are embracing it.
No point being out there and pulling down our pants to take a beating b/c its "right"! Saudi is our man protect right now for deals then so be it!
Saudi is the man to protect, even though the cancer has been funding world wide Wahhabist ideology and terrorism? We're allied with those known to have funded and currently funding the ones we're supposedly fighting, those bad guys that has the sensible western world in mass hysteria? Those are our guys? You know you're being hoodwinked right?
So do you think we should shut down all Saudi funded Mosques in the UK?

Why not cut off the head of the dragon? It's plainly obvious Saudi Arabia is funding the very same terrorists they are funding, but we seem insistent on increasing our ties to them and even nominating them to the UN Human Rights council! Laughable! Why the double standards? If this country TRULY cared about human rights attrocities (which is the reason you've stated for justification for the Iraq war) then why BLOCK inquiries into war crimes committed by the Saudi's? Ironically within the same week we were ready to condemn Russia's heavy handed tactics in Syria and rightly so but hypocritically are reluctant to call out the KSA for the very same level of crimes they're committing. In answer to your question specifically, closing down mosques funded by Saudi's would be futile considering they're very much a part of our government and help line the pockets of our politicians.

If you truly believe foreign policy is there for reasons of altruism then surely you are very naive. The hypocrisy is obvious, but of course if you question policies then you're anti-Western and must hate this country how dare I herd derp amirite davewave?

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