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UK Encryption Backdoor Law Passed Via Investigatory Powers Act

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"The latest news out of ... the UK encryption backdoor law passed via Investigatory Powers Act or the IPA Bill as it’s commonly known. And itself was passed through a kind of backdoor route, which avo… Read More
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7m, 3w agoPosted 7 months, 3 weeks ago
"The latest news out of ... the UK encryption backdoor law passed via Investigatory Powers Act or the IPA Bill as it’s commonly known. And itself was passed through a kind of backdoor route, which avoided the scorn of the public."

https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/uk-encryption-backdoor-law-passed-via-investigatory-powers-act.390349/

Nice of them to keep it a secret because its nasty
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7m, 3w agoPosted 7 months, 3 weeks ago
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shauneco
If you've got nothing to hide, you should have nothing to worry about.

Can I see your weener? You've got nothing to hide, right?
6 Likes
shauneco
If you've got nothing to hide, you should have nothing to worry about.
Oh, Shauneco, I do wish you'd wake up, old chum.
The spider cares not a jot whether her captives are good or bad, only how succulent they are.

Do you imagine all information on you will not be gathered, assessed and somehow find it's way to 'interested' parties, and that you will know nothing of it other than to ponder why you were refused insurance/loan/mortgage etc.

Trust me, Shaun, that information is worth more than gold to the mammonites; those hellbound money worshippers must be salivating right now.


Edited By: tryn2help on Dec 01, 2016 22:42
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An update:
"UK Members of Parliament exempt themselves from spying law"

"Politicians have exempted themselves from Britain's new wide-ranging spying laws."
" As J.R. "Bob" Dobbs said, "I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of person I'm preaching to."

Nice of them to think they are above the (now) law as its not like any MPs are being on the take or up to no good.
https://boingboing.net/2016/12/01/uk-members-of-parliament-exemp.html

Edited By: trott3r on Dec 03, 2016 19:34

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1 Like #1
The important stuff always is hidden.
2 Likes #2
Not even the new labour trick of releasing it on a bad news day so it gets swamped.
3 Likes #3
sounds like bad news for bad people.
1 Like #4
davewave
sounds like bad news for bad people.

It is for you and your penguin fetish collections! :D
#5
Graham1979
davewave
sounds like bad news for bad people.

It is for you and your penguin fetish collections! :D


completely at a loss to what you are talking about, penguins? eh?
1 Like #6
If you've got nothing to hide, you should have nothing to worry about.
1 Like #7
^^^ This
2 Likes #8
davewave
Graham1979
davewave
sounds like bad news for bad people.
It is for you and your penguin fetish collections! :D
completely at a loss to what you are talking about, penguins? eh?
I think that he is probably a bit worried about the BBC catching him downloading their programmes from P2P.
7 Likes #9
shauneco
If you've got nothing to hide, you should have nothing to worry about.

Can I see your weener? You've got nothing to hide, right?
6 Likes #10
shauneco
If you've got nothing to hide, you should have nothing to worry about.
Oh, Shauneco, I do wish you'd wake up, old chum.
The spider cares not a jot whether her captives are good or bad, only how succulent they are.

Do you imagine all information on you will not be gathered, assessed and somehow find it's way to 'interested' parties, and that you will know nothing of it other than to ponder why you were refused insurance/loan/mortgage etc.

Trust me, Shaun, that information is worth more than gold to the mammonites; those hellbound money worshippers must be salivating right now.


Edited By: tryn2help on Dec 01, 2016 22:42
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moneysavingkitten
shauneco
If you've got nothing to hide, you should have nothing to worry about.
Can I see your weener? You've got nothing to hide, right?

Pm'd ;).

No seriously I wouldn't share pictures of my weener on the internet or via messages etc. and if I did there would be nothing to see lol.

I doubt they will be routing through every private conversation, every picture etc.. I think they should be required to have reasonable reason to want to search through your private conversations and pictures.

It could help solve crimes and protect children from pedophiles and if it saves one child then it is worth sacrificing my privacy.
2 Likes #12
shauneco
moneysavingkitten
shauneco
If you've got nothing to hide, you should have nothing to worry about.
Can I see your weener? You've got nothing to hide, right?
Pm'd ;).
No seriously I wouldn't share pictures of my weener on the internet or via messages etc. and if I did there would be nothing to see lol.
I doubt they will be routing through every private conversation, every picture etc.. I think they should be required to have reasonable reason to want to search through your private conversations and pictures.
It could help solve crimes and protect children from pedophiles and if it saves one child then it is worth sacrificing my privacy.

:( But I thought you had nothing to hide :(

Not everyone that encrypts things is a pedophile. I bet more of your thing are encrypted than you are aware of.
1 Like #13
Weener and backdoor in the same thread, how did it sink so low so fast?
#14
Oneday77
Weener and backdoor in the same thread, how did it sink so low so fast?

*bows* :3
3 Likes #15
shauneco
moneysavingkitten
shauneco
If you've got nothing to hide, you should have nothing to worry about.
Can I see your weener? You've got nothing to hide, right?
Pm'd ;).
No seriously I wouldn't share pictures of my weener on the internet or via messages etc. and if I did there would be nothing to see lol.
I doubt they will be routing through every private conversation, every picture etc.. I think they should be required to have reasonable reason to want to search through your private conversations and pictures.
It could help solve crimes and protect children from pedophiles and if it saves one child then it is worth sacrificing my privacy.

The overwhelming majority of child abuse occurs in the family home. So it would actually be more beneficial (statistically) to place cameras in your home so you could be monitored 24/7 around your kids.

You're ok with that right? If you've got nothing to hide then there's nothing to worry about.
#16
moneysavingkitten
shauneco
moneysavingkitten
shauneco
If you've got nothing to hide, you should have nothing to worry about.
Can I see your weener? You've got nothing to hide, right?
Pm'd ;).
No seriously I wouldn't share pictures of my weener on the internet or via messages etc. and if I did there would be nothing to see lol.
I doubt they will be routing through every private conversation, every picture etc.. I think they should be required to have reasonable reason to want to search through your private conversations and pictures.
It could help solve crimes and protect children from pedophiles and if it saves one child then it is worth sacrificing my privacy.
:( But I thought you had nothing to hide :(
Not everyone that encrypts things is a pedophile. I bet more of your thing are encrypted than you are aware of.

Yes, I understand there are certain other things like banking that are encrypted and yes it creates a problem.

I just think safety first over privacy, Software will always have flaws and there will always be hackers.
#17
shauneco
moneysavingkitten
shauneco
moneysavingkitten
shauneco
If you've got nothing to hide, you should have nothing to worry about.
Can I see your weener? You've got nothing to hide, right?
Pm'd ;).
No seriously I wouldn't share pictures of my weener on the internet or via messages etc. and if I did there would be nothing to see lol.
I doubt they will be routing through every private conversation, every picture etc.. I think they should be required to have reasonable reason to want to search through your private conversations and pictures.
It could help solve crimes and protect children from pedophiles and if it saves one child then it is worth sacrificing my privacy.
:( But I thought you had nothing to hide :(
Not everyone that encrypts things is a pedophile. I bet more of your thing are encrypted than you are aware of.
Yes, I understand there are certain other things like banking that are encrypted and yes it creates a problem.
I just think safety first over privacy, Software will always have flaws and there will always be hackers.

Hacking or exploiting doesn't have anything to do with giving away encryption keys or 'removal of electronic protection' as they put it. That actually the opposite of hacking. Please stay on topic.

I would also argue that this is the opposite of providing safety and safety and privacy are not mutually exclusive.
#18
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shauneco
moneysavingkitten
shauneco
If you've got nothing to hide, you should have nothing to worry about.
Can I see your weener? You've got nothing to hide, right?
Pm'd ;).
No seriously I wouldn't share pictures of my weener on the internet or via messages etc. and if I did there would be nothing to see lol.
I doubt they will be routing through every private conversation, every picture etc.. I think they should be required to have reasonable reason to want to search through your private conversations and pictures.
It could help solve crimes and protect children from pedophiles and if it saves one child then it is worth sacrificing my privacy.
The overwhelming majority of child abuse occurs in the family home. So it would actually be more beneficial (statistically) to place cameras in your home so you could be monitored 24/7 around your kids.

You're ok with that right? If you've got nothing to hide then there's nothing to worry about.

Why would I have cameras all over my house?, I really wouldn't want pervs spying on my children no.

Privacy in the home is a bit different.

However any messages, pictures or videos that are shared over the internet or via message are fair game.

I think they should need valid reason to monitor you in such a way though, It would create some problems.
#19
shauneco
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shauneco
moneysavingkitten
shauneco
If you've got nothing to hide, you should have nothing to worry about.
Can I see your weener? You've got nothing to hide, right?
Pm'd ;).
No seriously I wouldn't share pictures of my weener on the internet or via messages etc. and if I did there would be nothing to see lol.
I doubt they will be routing through every private conversation, every picture etc.. I think they should be required to have reasonable reason to want to search through your private conversations and pictures.
It could help solve crimes and protect children from pedophiles and if it saves one child then it is worth sacrificing my privacy.
The overwhelming majority of child abuse occurs in the family home. So it would actually be more beneficial (statistically) to place cameras in your home so you could be monitored 24/7 around your kids.
You're ok with that right? If you've got nothing to hide then there's nothing to worry about.
Why would I have cameras all over my house?, I really wouldn't want pervs spying on my children no.
Privacy in the home is a bit different.
However any messages, pictures or videos that are shared over the internet or via message are fair game.
I think they should need valid reason to monitor you in such a way though, It would create some problems.

But you just said safety over privacy. What is it you have to hide?
#20
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shauneco
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shauneco
moneysavingkitten
shauneco
If you've got nothing to hide, you should have nothing to worry about.
Can I see your weener? You've got nothing to hide, right?
Pm'd ;).
No seriously I wouldn't share pictures of my weener on the internet or via messages etc. and if I did there would be nothing to see lol.
I doubt they will be routing through every private conversation, every picture etc.. I think they should be required to have reasonable reason to want to search through your private conversations and pictures.
It could help solve crimes and protect children from pedophiles and if it saves one child then it is worth sacrificing my privacy.
The overwhelming majority of child abuse occurs in the family home. So it would actually be more beneficial (statistically) to place cameras in your home so you could be monitored 24/7 around your kids.
You're ok with that right? If you've got nothing to hide then there's nothing to worry about.
Why would I have cameras all over my house?, I really wouldn't want pervs spying on my children no.
Privacy in the home is a bit different.
However any messages, pictures or videos that are shared over the internet or via message are fair game.
I think they should need valid reason to monitor you in such a way though, It would create some problems.
But you just said safety over privacy. What is it you have to hide?

Over the internet and messages yes, not in your own home that is different.

I'm not suggesting any Tom, Dick or Harry should have access.
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shauneco
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shauneco
moneysavingkitten
shauneco
If you've got nothing to hide, you should have nothing to worry about.
Can I see your weener? You've got nothing to hide, right?
Pm'd ;).
No seriously I wouldn't share pictures of my weener on the internet or via messages etc. and if I did there would be nothing to see lol.
I doubt they will be routing through every private conversation, every picture etc.. I think they should be required to have reasonable reason to want to search through your private conversations and pictures.
It could help solve crimes and protect children from pedophiles and if it saves one child then it is worth sacrificing my privacy.
The overwhelming majority of child abuse occurs in the family home. So it would actually be more beneficial (statistically) to place cameras in your home so you could be monitored 24/7 around your kids.
You're ok with that right? If you've got nothing to hide then there's nothing to worry about.
Why would I have cameras all over my house?, I really wouldn't want pervs spying on my children no.
Privacy in the home is a bit different.
However any messages, pictures or videos that are shared over the internet or via message are fair game.
I think they should need valid reason to monitor you in such a way though, It would create some problems.
But you just said safety over privacy. What is it you have to hide?
I think that what shaun meant was that safety over privacy should apply to other people. Not that he has anything to hide, of course.
#22
shauneco
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shauneco
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shauneco
moneysavingkitten
shauneco
If you've got nothing to hide, you should have nothing to worry about.
Can I see your weener? You've got nothing to hide, right?
Pm'd ;).
No seriously I wouldn't share pictures of my weener on the internet or via messages etc. and if I did there would be nothing to see lol.
I doubt they will be routing through every private conversation, every picture etc.. I think they should be required to have reasonable reason to want to search through your private conversations and pictures.
It could help solve crimes and protect children from pedophiles and if it saves one child then it is worth sacrificing my privacy.
The overwhelming majority of child abuse occurs in the family home. So it would actually be more beneficial (statistically) to place cameras in your home so you could be monitored 24/7 around your kids.
You're ok with that right? If you've got nothing to hide then there's nothing to worry about.
Why would I have cameras all over my house?, I really wouldn't want pervs spying on my children no.
Privacy in the home is a bit different.
However any messages, pictures or videos that are shared over the internet or via message are fair game.
I think they should need valid reason to monitor you in such a way though, It would create some problems.
But you just said safety over privacy. What is it you have to hide?
Over the internet and messages yes, not in your own home that is different.
I'm not suggesting any Tom, Dick or Harry should have access.

Well it would be a video stream that only those who are authorised to view this digital information could view.

It's strange how reluctant you are to this if you've nothing to hide.
banned 2 Likes #23
Oh they are looking?

Bomb assassination may trump isis terrorism extremists islam 3rd world war guns weapons immigration & royalty

Thats a hit on me then
#24
YouDontWantToKnow
Oh they are looking?
Bomb assassination may trump isis terrorism extremists islam 3rd world war guns weapons immigration & royalty
Thats a hit on me then
Yep. They'll be serving an access notice on your ISP as I write this. Expect a knock on your door within the next half hour. Don't resist as they'll probably be armed.
#25
RonChew
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shauneco
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shauneco
moneysavingkitten
shauneco
If you've got nothing to hide, you should have nothing to worry about.
Can I see your weener? You've got nothing to hide, right?
Pm'd ;).
No seriously I wouldn't share pictures of my weener on the internet or via messages etc. and if I did there would be nothing to see lol.
I doubt they will be routing through every private conversation, every picture etc.. I think they should be required to have reasonable reason to want to search through your private conversations and pictures.
It could help solve crimes and protect children from pedophiles and if it saves one child then it is worth sacrificing my privacy.
The overwhelming majority of child abuse occurs in the family home. So it would actually be more beneficial (statistically) to place cameras in your home so you could be monitored 24/7 around your kids.
You're ok with that right? If you've got nothing to hide then there's nothing to worry about.
Why would I have cameras all over my house?, I really wouldn't want pervs spying on my children no.
Privacy in the home is a bit different.
However any messages, pictures or videos that are shared over the internet or via message are fair game.
I think they should need valid reason to monitor you in such a way though, It would create some problems.
But you just said safety over privacy. What is it you have to hide?
I think that what shaun meant was that safety over privacy should apply to other people. Not that he has anything to hide, of course.

And what would I be hiding Ronald?
#26
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shauneco
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shauneco
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shauneco
moneysavingkitten
shauneco
If you've got nothing to hide, you should have nothing to worry about.
Can I see your weener? You've got nothing to hide, right?
Pm'd ;).
No seriously I wouldn't share pictures of my weener on the internet or via messages etc. and if I did there would be nothing to see lol.
I doubt they will be routing through every private conversation, every picture etc.. I think they should be required to have reasonable reason to want to search through your private conversations and pictures.
It could help solve crimes and protect children from pedophiles and if it saves one child then it is worth sacrificing my privacy.
The overwhelming majority of child abuse occurs in the family home. So it would actually be more beneficial (statistically) to place cameras in your home so you could be monitored 24/7 around your kids.
You're ok with that right? If you've got nothing to hide then there's nothing to worry about.
Why would I have cameras all over my house?, I really wouldn't want pervs spying on my children no.
Privacy in the home is a bit different.
However any messages, pictures or videos that are shared over the internet or via message are fair game.
I think they should need valid reason to monitor you in such a way though, It would create some problems.
But you just said safety over privacy. What is it you have to hide?
Over the internet and messages yes, not in your own home that is different.
I'm not suggesting any Tom, Dick or Harry should have access.
Well it would be a video stream that only those who are authorised to view this digital information could view.

It's strange how reluctant you are to this if you've nothing to hide.

http://www.hippoquotes.com/img/going-around-in-circles-quotes/1f93b6248c1110555371b3f91a4b38cc.jpg
banned 1 Like #27
RonChew
YouDontWantToKnow
Oh they are looking?
Bomb assassination may trump isis terrorism extremists islam 3rd world war guns weapons immigration & royalty
Thats a hit on me then
Yep. They'll be serving an access notice on your ISP as I write this. Expect a knock on your door within the next half hour. Don't resist as they'll probably be armed.

Cant wait for the knock on my door. I will borrow next doors electric fence & shotguns
#28
shauneco
RonChew
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shauneco
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
shauneco
moneysavingkitten
shauneco
If you've got nothing to hide, you should have nothing to worry about.
Can I see your weener? You've got nothing to hide, right?
Pm'd ;).
No seriously I wouldn't share pictures of my weener on the internet or via messages etc. and if I did there would be nothing to see lol.
I doubt they will be routing through every private conversation, every picture etc.. I think they should be required to have reasonable reason to want to search through your private conversations and pictures.
It could help solve crimes and protect children from pedophiles and if it saves one child then it is worth sacrificing my privacy.
The overwhelming majority of child abuse occurs in the family home. So it would actually be more beneficial (statistically) to place cameras in your home so you could be monitored 24/7 around your kids.
You're ok with that right? If you've got nothing to hide then there's nothing to worry about.
Why would I have cameras all over my house?, I really wouldn't want pervs spying on my children no.
Privacy in the home is a bit different.
However any messages, pictures or videos that are shared over the internet or via message are fair game.
I think they should need valid reason to monitor you in such a way though, It would create some problems.
But you just said safety over privacy. What is it you have to hide?
I think that what shaun meant was that safety over privacy should apply to other people. Not that he has anything to hide, of course.
And what would I be hiding Ronald?
I've no idea, shaun, although your backtracking on your original stance would suggest that you think that there is something there. It's probably for the best to say no more on the subject as we wouldn't want you to incriminate yourself.
1 Like #29
we are usually shafted in the backdoor by this gov't
3 Likes #30
You might as well not encrypt data if there is a backdoor. It's like locking your front door and hiding a spare key under the plant pot.

Perhaps that is something which those who feel that if you have 'nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear' should consider.

This government's naivety and obsession with ebbing away at people's right to privacy is dangerous.

Edited By: RossD89 on Dec 02, 2016 00:03: .
#31
RonChew
davewave
Graham1979
davewave
sounds like bad news for bad people.
It is for you and your penguin fetish collections! :D
completely at a loss to what you are talking about, penguins? eh?
I think that he is probably a bit worried about the BBC catching him downloading their programmes from P2P.

Yuck, would rather watch repeats of Noal's House Party for all eternity.
#32
tryn2help
shauneco
If you've got nothing to hide, you should have nothing to worry about.
Oh, Shauneco, I do wish you'd wake up, old chum.
The spider cares not a jot whether her captives are good or bad, only how succulent they are.
Do you imagine all information on you will not be gathered, assessed and somehow find it's way to 'interested' parties, and that you will know nothing of it other than to ponder why you were refused insurance/loan/mortgage etc.
Trust me, Shaun, that information is worth more than gold to the mammonites; those hellbound money worshippers must be salivating right now.
'hellbound money worshippers', who are they exactly, don't we all earn and save money?
banned#33
davewave
'hellbound money worshippers', who are they exactly, don't we all earn and save money?

Dunno Dave? How are you going to celebrate Christmas?
1 Like #34
The list of government dept's that have access to this data is vast! The most worrying is that HMRC have 100% access and we all know how secure data is with that shower!
2 Likes #35
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shauneco
moneysavingkitten
shauneco
If you've got nothing to hide, you should have nothing to worry about.
Can I see your weener? You've got nothing to hide, right?
Pm'd ;).
No seriously I wouldn't share pictures of my weener on the internet or via messages etc. and if I did there would be nothing to see lol.
I doubt they will be routing through every private conversation, every picture etc.. I think they should be required to have reasonable reason to want to search through your private conversations and pictures.
It could help solve crimes and protect children from pedophiles and if it saves one child then it is worth sacrificing my privacy.
The overwhelming majority of child abuse occurs in the family home. So it would actually be more beneficial (statistically) to place cameras in your home so you could be monitored 24/7 around your kids.
You're ok with that right? If you've got nothing to hide then there's nothing to worry about.

If what you say is true (statistically) then I suppose you would also be happy with cameras in your home so you could be monitored 24/7 around your kids.
4 Likes #36
I happen to work in government and one General rule I 've noticed is that it so happens the experts are always outside of the civil service.
Backdoors in encryption just make everything weaker. All the people with "nothing to hide" generally won't be crowing when a 13 year old from the sticks has found the backdoor and has taken your bank details for a splurge at toysrus (or wherever they shop now, I stopped being cool a while ago).



Edited By: joey1352 on Dec 02, 2016 08:05
#37
Weak UK software encryption puts UK software companys @ a disadvantage in the international market. Criminals will just use foreign software
1 Like #38
I give it a month before the MPAA request access.
1 Like #39
Besides the fact its more big brother watching our every move, leaving a backdoor in encryption will be exploited by hackers/scammers/general bad guys. Its not a good idea at all, encryption is used for good reason (and granted for bad reasons to), but typical of the government not thinking things through properly.
#40
123thisisme
Besides the fact its more big brother watching our every move, leaving a backdoor in encryption will be exploited by hackers/scammers/general bad guys. Its not a good idea at all, encryption is used for good reason (and granted for bad reasons to), but typical of the government not thinking things through properly.

There's a huge surprise then!

Am I right in thinking that as the ISP is logging the info there's no way around this? Even using a vpn, won't the data go through the ISP before the vpn??

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