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Update: Car Accident - Advice

Browni Avatar
8y, 11m agoPosted 8 years, 11 months ago
Unfortunately, the other half had an accident in the car (Vauxhall New Astra) yesterday night and the car seems to be a write-off...

Now, the thing that puzzles me, which is why I would like some advice, is that this happened and the airbags did not deploy.

In my opinion, something like this, the bags should have deployed and I'm rather miffed that they didn't (although, in all fairness, it is a good job they didn't due to the situation).

I don't know whether to contact Vauxhall and see what they have to say about it, or whether to just leave it down to the insurers to report on it.
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8y, 11m agoPosted 8 years, 11 months ago
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#1
http://www.browni.com/images/astra.jpg
#2
Is that not the airbag on the drivers side? id say it should definatly go off looking at the damage, think they go off around 25 mph? id presume that car was travelling faster? hope every one is ok and yyou get it sorted quickly
#3
there are sensors for the airbags to go off . looking at the picture its hard to tell as the sensors may of not been activated, i dont know where they are positioned on that car.

Hope this helps. sometimes there can be a fault with the sensors but then some warning light should of been present when driving.

:thinking:
#4
Hiya, I hope he is ok,

Firstly, airbags will only go off in a front impact accident, as in head on.

I had an accident on boxing day, in which i flipped my renault laguna, and landed on the roof, with myself and my 7 n a half month pregnant wife inside, now, bacause it was not a front impact, the airbags will not deploy, mainly because of safety risks, for example, if the airbags had deployed whilst we were upside down, then not only would we have been smashed in the head with the plastic casings, we would have also been suffocated.

It sounds really daft to have airbags and them not to deploy, but it is safer that they didnt. however looking at the picture it seems that the drivers airbag did go off.
#5
bloody hell. does indeed seem like a write off. out of interest why was it a good thing in this case that the air bags didn't deploy?
#6
When i wrote the thread, i didnt see the picture and thought it was a side impact, which can cause suffocation, I didnt realise it was a head on.
#7
Wow, hope the other half is unscathed, what a start to your year eh.

Had a similar experience myself when I never noticed a car stopped in the road signalling to turn into a side street. I ran into the back off it and the front end was similar to yours albeit to a lesser degree. The airbags never went off yet the seatbelt pre-tensioners did go off [well one of them went off, passengers, drivers never!]. Thats the trouble with these things you never know till your in a worst case scenario.

I did take it up with the manufacturer, but gave up in the end after the runaround for several months. I remember asking for the old seatbelt pretensioners that had been replaced only to be told they couldnt be found hmm.
banned#8
What on earth is that vehicle doing on a public footpath designed for pedestrians?
#9
oh sugar. hope it all gets sorted out soon, and ye are not too shaken by the whole incident.
[admin]#10
Hope she's ok Browni- What a shocker! You can always make an enquiry to Vauxhall, explain to them everything that happened and see what they say- the insurers will still be doing their reports anyway...
#11
eggman
What on earth is that vehicle doing on a public footpath designed for pedestrians?


Why on earth would you make such a comment given the circumstances?

Anyhoo, back to the topic.

The insurer should undertake an investigation of this crash, and indeed, on your instruction, enquire as to why the airbags did not deploy.

Hope all is well with those involved.
#12
With regards to the Airbag, unfortunately that is not the airbag you can see, it is just a flare reflection from the sun (on the other side, it's an indian takeaway you can see smothering the screen).

It was a head on collision with a bus at roughly 20-25mph, but obviously you can add to that as the bus was also in motion (bus showed no damage whatsoever and drove off after a couple of hours).

The people involved with the collision are a bit shook up, but ok (stiff neck, seatbelt pain etc).

The reason I'm glad they didn't go off is because there was a 38 week pregnant passenger with a bag full of hot india food on her knee, which if the airbag would have gone off, would not have been a good situation (she was taken to hospital for monitoring and discharged after a couple of hours).

eggman - where would you like to put a car that is stuck in reverse and is pretty much falling apart if you were the breakdown crew that actually recommended putting it there overnight for pick up in the morning?

Juliet - I've sent off an enquiry through their web contact, so lets just hope it's appropriate to gain a reply.

Thanks for the well wishes everyone.
banned#13
[quote=moob;1418290]Why on earth would you make such a comment given the circumstances
Aologies - I meant the one(s) in the background of the piccie>
4get the air bag issue because the Insurance will not be interested - they will fulfill their obligation under the policy, nothing else. When the 1st offer is made by them, dispute it in writing, and provide market place copies of similar vehicles+mileage if they R of a higher value. They will respond to that, usually by upping their offer.
PS Does every one park on pavements these days?
#14
trying to imagine curry splat with airbag .... not a pretty sight ...
#15
Are you sure the airbag didn't deploy? It looks like it did in the picture (I zoomed in and it looks like the airbag).
#16
eggman;1418364
[quote=moob]Why on earth would you make such a comment given the circumstances
Aologies - I meant the one(s) in the background of the piccie>
4get the air bag issue because the Insurance will not be interested - they will fulfill their obligation under the policy, nothing else. When the 1st offer is made by them, dispute it in writing, and provide market place copies of similar vehicles+mileage if they R of a higher value. They will respond to that, usually by upping their offer.
PS Does every one park on pavements these days?


I guess perhaps because it's a relatively narrow road and people don't want to lose their wing mirrors.
banned#17
moob;1418674
[quote=eggman;1418364]

I guess perhaps because it's a relatively narrow road and people don't want to lose their wing mirrors.

We are moving off thread, however, it is an offence to park vehicles on pavements constructed for pedestrians - wing mirrors or no wing mirrors. It is also unsociable and, I would suggest, inconsiderate.
#18
I wouldn’t push the airbag thing to much - or the insurance may take that as a sign the car was unsafe or unroadworthy (unlikely)

I appreciate you don have much choice about where the recovery truck offloaded your car, they are obviously making it easy for themselves but you appear to have a nice empty driveway and you are leaving yourself open to injury claims if anybody happens to catch themselves walking by and getting a ticket if a cop happens by and sees this on the path (It's illegal although everyone does it)

PS ~ My father is blind and wouldn’t expect to come across cars with sharp bits of metal and plastic protruding into the walkway if he’s out, many times he has injured his legs due to inconsiderate people parking on and some times completely across paths and he has walked into them.
So people have a thought for others when you park and I hope everyone is OK that was involved in the accident.
#19
eggman;1418695
[quote=moob]
We are moving off thread, however, it is an offence to park vehicles on pavements constructed for pedestrians - wing mirrors or no wing mirrors. It is also unsociable and, I would suggest, inconsiderate.


Indeed it is off topic somewhat, but then, your first comment on this topic was "What on earth is that vehicle doing on a public footpath designed for pedestrians?"

Yes, it is strictly speaking an offence yada yada etc - I would also suggest it to be inconsiderate and unsociable for people to rip your wing mirrors off 'cause they can't drive properly.

I'll only park partly on a pavement should I consider there to be a significant risk of the aforementioned happening. Oddly, common sense has prevailed and I haven't been ticketed for it once in 20+ years of driving.
#20
Predikuesi
Are you sure the airbag didn't deploy? It looks like it did in the picture (I zoomed in and it looks like the airbag).

Absolutely positive, I went to the scene of the accident and even drove with the recovery guy with it on his truck, then even cleaned out a bit of the indian and cleared out the glovebox etc

This image should be better to show it isn't an airbag...

http://www.browni.com/images/astra2.jpg

My sister took the images as we had to park it at my parents (we only have a designated parking space where it wouldn't have had a chance of being dropped off), and she aint no David Bailey.

With regards to parking on the pavement, we only chose to put it there because the breakdown truck advised he would not roll the flatbed onto the bricked drive (as it could damage them), and seeing as it was being picked up today, we made the decision to leave it there.

Not an ideal place, but nothing we could do about it.
banned#21
Browni;1418994
Absolutely positive, I went to the scene of the accident and even drove with the recovery guy with it on his truck, then even cleaned out a bit of the indian and cleared out the glovebox etc

This image should be better to show it isn't an airbag...

http://www.browni.com/images/astra2.jpg

My sister took the images as we had to park it at my parents (we only have a designated parking space where it wouldn't have had a chance of being dropped off), and she aint no David Bailey.

With regards to parking on the pavement, we only chose to put it there because the breakdown truck advised he would not roll the flatbed onto the bricked drive (as it could damage them), and seeing as it was being picked up today, we made the decision to leave it there.

Not an ideal place, but nothing we could do about it.
banned#22
Crumbs. What a mess - It is only metal tho' and if everyone is ok that is all that matters. Good Luck.
#23
I'm no expert but here goes...

The windscreen wasn't smashed so I presume that the impace was mainly absorbed by the bonnet (which has bent so absorbed quite a bit) and the bumper... cars are designed with a lot of crumple zones in the front of the car which will often sacrifice the workings in the car to protect the passenger compartment. This would lessen the need for the airbags to deploy.
#24
Airbags should not always go off - in some cases they can actually do more damage due the way they have to explosively inflate. In newer cars at impact, the system assesses the type and speed of the collision and decides whether the airbag is necessary or not. I can't remember if it was either Top Gear or Fifth Gear which demonstrated this with a Renault Espace - they crashed the new one into an old one at 40mph with a head on collision, the airbag in the new Espace did not go off which was the intended behaviour.

The front part of the car absorbed enough of the impact that the airbag was not needed, in this case the front door and the framework in that area was still surprisingly intact. In slow motion, the behaviour of the airbag was easier to understand - as the Espace went into the crash it actually was still going slowly forward, the crumple zones were designed to try and slow the car down more gradually in the crash rather than an immediate impact. As this slightly more gradual impact was possible, the airbag was not needed and hence was not fired.

I suspect your car (which looks like a new Astra) was possibly being smarter than you realise. Looking at the picture, there's actually very little damage to the body past the front wheel arch, even the wings are surprisingly intact - the very front of the car has taken most of the impact.

Hope everyone who was in the car was ok, that looks a pretty nasty smash to be in. I've had a couple of gentle smacks on the front of the car and felt a bit shaken up after them. I'm in disbelief people are commenting on the fact the car is on the pavement.

John
#25
good to here all are ok

seatbelt pretensioners are independant and only kick in if the force on them is sufficiant, one of them may have been heavier than the other :D or maybe your wife saw it coming at tensed up more causing (only slighly) less force to not be needed

The airbag almost certainly should have gone off in this case, have you had the car since new and HPI checked it for accedents if not, it may have been deployed before and not reset and recharged
also did it have 2 airbags or just 1

If you can prove the manufactured (and unmodified / not previously set off) airbags failed to deploy on a 3/4 year old car you should talk to VH - The insurance company would be uninterested unless it could get them out of coughing up

GL
#26
Why do you think the airbag should have gone off in this case? There is almost no damage around the driver/passenger area of the car and as far as I can tell none of the occupants of the car suffered severe head injuries. This would indicate the car was correct in not deploying the airbags, the explosive expansion of the airbag can actually do more damage than good which is why car manufacturers have developed sophisticated systems to assess whether the airbag is actually needed.

John
#27
Pleased to hear that all occupants of the car are okay.

As earlier poster states airbags only deploy in certain cirumstances. Apologies for cutting and pasting but, this is the best description of how they work in simple terms.

[SIZE="1"]When a crash occurs, the vehicle rapidly decelerates while its structure absorbs the majority of the crash forces. Unbelted occupants continue to move forward at the vehicle's original speed until the vehicle's interior (the steering wheel, instrument panel, windshield, etc.) stops their movement. Belted occupants come to a more gradual stop by being secured to the vehicle's structure. In severe crashes, even properly belted occupants may come into contact with the vehicle's interior.

Air bags supplement the safety belt by reducing the chance that the occupant's head and upper body will strike some part of the vehicle's interior. They also help reduce the risk of serious injury by distributing crash forces more evenly across the occupant's body.
When there is a moderate to severe frontal crash that requires the frontal air bag to deploy, a signal is sent to the inflator unit within the air bag module. An igniter starts a reaction, which produces a gas to fill the air bag, making the air bag deploy through the module cover. Some air bag technologies use nitrogen gas to fill the air bag while others may use argon gas. The gases used to fill air bags are harmless.

From the onset of the crash, the entire deployment and inflation process takes only about 1/20th of a second, faster than the blink of an eye. Because a vehicle changes speed so fast in a crash, air bags must inflate rapidly if they are to help reduce the risk of the occupant hitting the vehicle's interior.[/SIZE]

It appears that your seatbelts along with the crumple zones on the car have done the job as none of you sustained serious injury.

Whilst the damage may look bad it wouldnt suprise me if your vehicle ended up back on the road as either a CAT C or CAT D repairable. That assumes that your insurers write it off rather than repair it. A lot will depend on whether there is any damage to the engine other bits under the bonnet.

I would be thankful the airbags didnt go off as I recently saw the aftermath of a very light 7 car shunt where all but one of the occupants walked away unscathed. The only injury was in car number 7 at the back of the shunt where an airbag had deployed. Daewoo Matiz with the driver sitting too close to the steering wheel taken to hospital.
#28
Update - After 7 weeks, the car has now been written off.

It's actually been one big silly ordeal.

It got repaired, and they advised it had gone through QA/Road Test and was ready to pick up, only to find that when we got there the battery was flat, the valeting had not been done correctly, the bonnet wasn't lined up and there were chips on the new bonnet where they had rested it on the floor.

We refused it, then when we rang a week after (even though they said it would take two days), they advised that the indicators would not turn off and there was a problem with the airbag light.

Obviously, fantastic QA/Road Test dept.

Then, insurance got involved and sent it to a Vauxhall specialist.

We managed to get the Cheif Execs email address for insurance and put forward our greivances, only to be called this afternoon by the Vauxhall specialist to say the car was ready for pick up.

Then, 2 hours later, we are called to advise it has now been written off and a cheque is winging it's way towards us.

Eventually the result we knew should have happened 7 weeks ago.

Anyone flogging a 5dr Focus 1.8 TDi?
banned#29
Airbag going off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cYqERk-i6k

Though to be honest it looks fake...funny though as this is what an airbag actually looks like going off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Av0WGrlTGY

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