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Hi guise, sorry to prise you away from whatever it is you do on a Saturday afternoon, probably defragmenting a BIOS or updating your RAM or something like that. Definitely not looking for hotties in …
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7y, 6d agoPosted 7 years, 6 days ago
Hi guise, sorry to prise you away from whatever it is you do on a Saturday afternoon, probably defragmenting a BIOS or updating your RAM or something like that.
Definitely not looking for hotties in the real world, but that's your choice.

Anyway, I want to swap the 250GB hard drive from My Dell dimension C521 to the one out of my Iomega 1TB external desktop hard drive(7200 RPM).

I have looked at free cloning software, but I can't work it out.
I am thinking that I may be better to put the 1TB HDD in my PC,getting hold of Windows 7, and installing that, and then putting all my old stuff on as new.

My PC has a slimline case, so I can't add another drive internally.
I currently have Vista which I am more than happy with.
I have already backed everything up onto an external drive.

What would you suggest for someone that has never cloned a HDD with an OS, or installed an OS?
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#1
Not sure if these pics will help or not. I have no idea what this leads/plugs are for:

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh89/thesaint01/HUKD%20regular/DSC00901.jpg

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh89/thesaint01/HUKD%20regular/DSC00898.jpg
1 Like #2
Sorry I'm too hot to help.

EDIT: But cloning would have to be done outside windows as otherwise files would be in use and unable to copy, never done it myself although for someone who might not have much idea might not be the simplest thing. Personally I'd probably opt to install the new hard drive (N.B. Are they both SATA?), install windows 7 (very easy, just as easy as installing software within windows really). Then obviously your still need to transfer your files over, so you could do this via backing up to dvd first, or put the hard drive in a caddy and use it as an external.
1 Like #3
[FONT=Verdana]And I'm drinking like a fish at the pub! :whistling:

Seriously though you'll need to confirm whether your internal hard drive and external one are both SATA before you kick this off.

Cheers, Scotty Boy! :thumbsup:
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1 Like #4
that big power plug is power for an IDE hard drive. looks like you need an IDE hard drive. i'm guessing if the drive you're trying to install has come out of a 1gb external drive then i'll more than likely be SATA.

cloning software - http://www.easeus.com/disk-copy/download.htm

(easus disk copy free)
#5
baconsandwich
that big power plug is power for an IDE hard drive. looks like you need an IDE hard drive. i'm guessing if the drive you're trying to install has come out of a 1gb external drive then i'll more than likely be SATA.

cloning software - http://www.easeus.com/disk-copy/download.htm

(easus disk copy free)


Nope the Dell dimension C521 takes SATA only. :thumbsup:
1 Like #6
Here is a Dell website about the Dimension C521.

http://www.dell.com/us/en/dfh/desktops/dimen_c521/pd.aspx?refid=dimen_c521&s=dfh&cs=22&~tab=specstab

It says the drives are SATA.

However it says "The Dimension C521 supports one hard drive with up to 320GB space"

This 320Gb MAY be a technical limitation, and if you put a 1Tb drive in it may not work.

Dell MAY have released an update to the BIOS to allow larger hard drives to be installed.

BUT BEFORE GOING ANY FURTHER CHECK WITH DELL IF IT WILL TAKE A 1TB DRIVE
#7
baconsandwich
that big power plug is power for an IDE hard drive. looks like you need an IDE hard drive.


My guess is the CD/DVD Drive is IDE.

Many computers use SATA hard drives and IDE CD/DVD drives
#8
btw Methinks your case needs a good clean out.

If the fans and air vents get clogged up with dust and dirt the computer will overheat and start behaving erractically (like turning itself off when it gets too hot)
#9
Thanks peoples.

I have no idea what SATA and IDE are.
I have enough knowledge to open up the external drive, but I don't know what I am looking for?

Re: 320GB limitation. I guess I will have to call Dell. :-(

I have backed up all my PC's contents onto separate external HDD's in anticipation.

baconsandwich, you too are in Leicester, is it something that you could do?

Re: The dust. I know!!! I can't believe how much dust accumulates in there!
1 Like #10
Top one IDE
Bottom one SATA
http://blog.taragana.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/sata-pata-cables-295x3001.jpg
#11
thesaint
I have no idea what SATA and IDE are.


See pictures above.

Basically IDE and SATA are the way the POWER and DATA cables are conected to the back of hard drives and CD/DVD drives.

For many many years IDE was used for connecting DATA cables to hard disks and CD/DVD drives (plus Molex power cables - the big white connector shown in your first picture - and on the right in the first picture above).

About 5 years (?) ago there was a move from IDE connectors to SATA connectors (the data connection AND the power connection changed).

So if a PC is older than say 4 or 5 years it will have IDE connectors, if newer than that it will have SATA connectors. Some computers come with a mixture of both, the hard disk will almost certainly be SATA, but the CD/DVD drive may be IDE.
#12
tonyg1962
Top one IDE
Bottom one SATA
http://blog.taragana.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/sata-pata-cables-295x3001.jpg


Thanks, i'm sure that in the PC, it has SATA, will open it up again if Dell say that a 1TB can be installed.

guilbert53
See pictures above.

Basically IDE and SATA are the way the POWER and DATA cables are conected to the back of hard drives and CD/DVD drives.

For many many years IDE was used for connecting DATA cables to hard disks and CD/DVD drives (plus Molex power cables - the big white connector shown in your first picture - and on the right in the first picture above).

About 5 years (?) ago there was a move from IDE connectors to SATA connectors (the data connection AND the power connection changed).

So if a PC is older than say 4 or 5 years it will have IDE connectors, if newer than that it will have SATA connectors. Some computers come with a mixture of both, the hard disk will almost certainly be SATA, but the CD/DVD drive may be IDE.


Thanks for the info, I will e-mail Dell and see what they say re: the 320GB limitations.
I don't want to get a new PC simply because of this, but 250GB is seriously getting on my nips.
#13
thesaint
Thanks for the info, I will e-mail Dell and see what they say re: the 320GB limitations. I don't want to get a new PC simply because of this, but 250GB is seriously getting on my nips.


Dell do have support forums on their web site, ask there.

Why not get an external hard drive. With one of those the size of the internal hard desk is less important.
#14
guilbert53
Here is a Dell website about the Dimension C521.

http://www.dell.com/us/en/dfh/desktops/dimen_c521/pd.aspx?refid=dimen_c521&s=dfh&cs=22&~tab=specstab

It says the drives are SATA.

However it says "The Dimension C521 supports one hard drive with up to 320GB space"

This 320Gb MAY be a technical limitation, and if you put a 1Tb drive in it may not work.

Dell MAY have released an update to the BIOS to allow larger hard drives to be installed.

BUT BEFORE GOING ANY FURTHER CHECK WITH DELL IF IT WILL TAKE A 1TB DRIVE


It's already got an LBA48+ bios to see a driver larger than 137 gig so


The sata controller specs might be an issue 1 way or another as in the 320 limitation might exist in the controller used in that dell machine(will have to be a real early adoption of the specs to limit down to 320gb)(and it might be) the other issue is the drive might(probably will) ship in SATA 2 mode. The controller on the Dell will also probably struggle with this and fail to report correct parameters/size etc or even simply lock up your system)

Jumper pin to sata 1 (150) mode if possible or run a tool provided by drive manufacturer to set Sata mode via Dos.

ed* Having a look at specs for dell now and the machine is not as old as I assumed, maybe it was the dust :lol but the possibility of the 320gb limitation made it seem like very old hardware


http://www.dell.com/us/en/dfh/desktops/dimen_c521/pd.aspx?refid=dimen_c521&s=dfh&cs=22&~tab=specstab

maybe they meant it "as in product detail" that you could only buy it/ have it built at time with upto a 320gb hard drive at build/purchase level


It's also sata 1.0a and sata 2 so sata mode should not limit you either


looking here at support UNDER sata (lists sata hd larger than 320) http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/driverslist.aspx?c=us&cs=22&l=en&s=dfh&ServiceTag=&SystemID=DIM_P4_C521&os=WW1&osl=en&catid=&impid=

Some of the Hard drives listed on that page will need a firmware update to work on that board controller etc.Others listed are either recommended or optional



Bios *you may find you need to update to a later or latest bios as it may update the sata controller to add further support for certain drives
http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/previousversions.aspx?c=us&cs=22&l=en&s=dfh&SystemID=DIM_P4_C521&releaseid=R164017&formatid=-1&deviceid=308&formatcnt=1&dateid=-1&releasetype=BIOS&servicetag=&typeid=-1&catid=-1&libid=1&impid=-1&osl=en&vercnt=6&os=WW1&checkFormat=false

none of the Fixes and Enhancements for all versions of bios indicate bios updates are needed for sata hard drive management
#15
guilbert53
Dell do have support forums on their web site, ask there.

Why not get an external hard drive. With one of those the size of the internal hard desk is less important.


As I said, I have an Iomega 1TB external hard drive. It sits on top of my PC, and it's been there for about a year. I would much rather have it inside.

I've been looking through the forums on the Dell site, but can't see anything yet. I will post a thread on there if I can't find anything.

dontasciime
It's already got an LBA48+ bios to see a driver larger than 137 gig so


The sata controller specs might be an issue 1 way or another as in the 320 limitation might exist in the controller used in that dell machine(will have to be a real early adoption of the specs to limit down to 320gb)(and it might be) the other issue is the drive might(probably will) ship in SATA 2 mode. The controller on the Dell will also probably struggle with this and fail to report correct parameters/size etc or even simply lock up your system)

Jumper pin to sata 1 (150) mode if possible or run a tool provided by drive manufacturer to set Sata mode via Dos.

ed* Having a look at specs for dell now and the machine is not as old as I assumed, maybe it was the dust :lol but the possibility of the 320gb limitation made it seem like very old hardware


I hope that wasn't aimed at me! I understood not a word. :oops:

It was bought in July 2007, I do believe that I could've chose a 320GB, but can't remember now. I will look for the deal on HUKD that I saw it. Thanks.

Edit: found the deal:

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/81540/dell-dimension-c521-base-unit-211-p
#16
dontasciime;8159315
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maybe they meant it "as in product detail" that you could only buy it/ have it built at time with upto a 320gb hard drive at build/purchase level


I think this is the more likely answer as there are firmware updates for various HDDs up to 1TB on Dells site for the Dimension C521

http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/driverslist.aspx?os=WLH&catid=-1&dateid=-1&impid=-1&osl=EN&typeid=-1&formatid=-1&servicetag=&SystemID=DIM_P4_C521&hidos=WW1&hidlang=en&TabIndex=&scanSupported=False&scanConsent=False,

I would still wait for the reply from Dell though before starting to upgrade.
1 Like #17
I'd just unplug the old drive, find the sata cable (if fitted) and plug the new formatted drive in. Put the windows 7 disc in the writer and let it boot up and see what happens.

It should work ok imo and if not just plug the old drive back in.

Have you considered a new case and keep both drives?
#18
barneydog
I think this is the more likely answer as there are firmware updates for various HDDs up to 1TB on Dells site for the Dimension C521

http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/driverslist.aspx?os=WLH&catid=-1&dateid=-1&impid=-1&osl=EN&typeid=-1&formatid=-1&servicetag=&SystemID=DIM_P4_C521&hidos=WW1&hidlang=en&TabIndex=&scanSupported=False&scanConsent=False,

I would still wait for the reply from Dell though before starting to upgrade.


Thanks for that. It's about time I learnt a bit about my computer. Perfect place to start.

jtx
I'd just unplug the old drive, find the sata cable (if fitted) and plug the new formatted drive in. Put the windows 7 disc in the writer and let it boot up and see what happens.


Formatted to What?
I don't want to buy Windows 7 just to waste it if it doesn't work in my PC.
1 Like #19
I was editing post without a refresh of this page BTW until 30 seconds ago and saw all the other replies.
#20
jtx


Have you considered a new case and keep both drives?


Do you mean take out all my internals, and put it in a new case?
If so, are they all the same?

I would prefer to keep this case, and swap to a 1TB if possible, but would consider changing the case to house the two.
#21
thesaint
Do you mean take out all my internals, and put it in a new case?
If so, are they all the same?

I would prefer to keep this case, and swap to a 1TB if possible, but would consider changing the case to house the two.


Yes, I meant as in buy a caseand swap the internals if there isn't room for two drives in your current case.

Am I confusing you with someone else (written some great tutorials on memory cards etc) :? It's no harder than the stuff you're already competent at.

Format the drive to ntfs and use an existing vista or xp disc if you have one and just reboot the computer.
#22
jtx
Yes, I meant as in buy a caseand swap the internals if there isn't room for two drives in your current case.

Format the drive to ntfs and use an existing vista or xp disc if you have one and just reboot the computer.


Okay, I am starting to understand a bit more now.
I thought that the motherboard etc were completely different in my C521.
It seems I may have a few options now thanks to everyone on this thread.

I just read this from the orignal thread too:

Orville
I received mine yesterday with the 22" monitor. For the price, this PC is a great piece of kit but beware there are very few upgrade uptions. There are no firewire ports, no serial/com ports, only 2 SATA ports (both used), 1xPCI, 1xPCI-Ex16 and 1xPCI-Ex1 expansion slots. All 3 expansion slots are half-height and will greatly limit your choice of components. There is also no space for a 2nd hard disk unless you remove the card reader.


I could manage without the card reader, but not sure how I would connect it?

I will have a look at all my options.

jtx

Am I confusing you with someone else (written some great tutorials on memory cards etc) :? It's no harder than the stuff you're already competent at.


No, that's me, but I have been doing that for years, and can do it in my sleep, whereas this just seems complicated.

I have everything backed up, so I can't get into too much trouble I guess.
#23
2 SATA ports (both used)


Would Imply your existing drive is sata so just whip the old one out and replace it with the 1tb.

Do you have a vista disc? Or you could just download Windows 7, burn it to disc (don't insert a key) and get 30 days trial.
#24
jtx
Would Imply your existing drive is sata so just whip the old one out and replace it with the 1tb.

Do you have a vista disc? Or you could just download Windows 7, burn it to disc (don't insert a key) and get 30 days trial.


I don't think Dell sends the discs, as they have the OS pre loaded?

I will try the Windows 7 download, and if it works, I can buy a copy.
If it doesn't, I should be able to put my old hard drive with Vista in again though?

Where do I get a trial of Windows 7?
#25
thesaint
I don't think Dell sends the discs, as they have the OS pre loaded?

I will try the Windows 7 download, and if it works, I can buy a copy.
If it doesn't, I should be able to put my old hard drive with Vista in again though?

Where do I get a trial of Windows 7?


http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/cc442495.aspx?ITPID=sprblog

If it doesn't work just plug your old drive back in and it will be back as it was before:thumbsup:
#26
jtx
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/cc442495.aspx?ITPID=sprblog

If it doesn't work just plug your old drive back in and it will be back as it was before:thumbsup:


Thanks, I am installing Vista service pack 1 onto my PC as we speak. Will try and get it up to date before butchering it.

mumbojumbo
I'd go with what they've said. Stick in the new drive and install Win 7. You can re-use a previously installed disk, but obviously don't enter in the activation key.
You can download and run the Windows 7 compatibility program first if still hesitant.
Just done this on an old Acer laptop (c.2006) - installed new IDE drive and Win 7. Typing from it now - it's pretty cool, although won't run Aero glass effects (no drivers written). :thumbsup:


I hope this all goes to plan. Thanks.
#27
[SIZE="3"]Many thanks to all concerned. I am now using Windows 7 with my 1tb hard drive installed.

Dismantling the external HDD and taking out the 250GB from my PC was extremely easy. It took 20 minutes at the most.

Now to copy all my data from all my portable drives. Be back soon
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. :)
#28
is this a parody of af
#29
casparwhite
is this a parody of af


I leave the parody threads to the less creative menbers of "The Misc".

Although, I could find worse to imitate.
#30
thesaint
I leave the parody threads to the less creative menbers of "The Misc".

Although, I could find worse to imitate.


nice angle:thumbsup:

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