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Hi all, Audio/visualphiles aside is there much difference between an upscaled DVD and a bluray film? I'm not too fussed about bluray and have a large DVD collection so was just going to get an up…
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6y, 3m agoPosted 6 years, 3 months ago
Hi all,

Audio/visualphiles aside is there much difference between an upscaled DVD and a bluray film? I'm not too fussed about bluray and have a large DVD collection so was just going to get an upscaling player. Is it worth the extra £30 for a blueray player?

Cheers

Dean
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6y, 3m agoPosted 6 years, 3 months ago
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#1
I would tend to agree with dcx, invest your money in a good surround sound system
#2
Yes its worth it if you have a big TV or a projector.
#3
Why not pay the extra £30? All blu-ray players upscale dvds anyway and are probably far better at doing it than an upscaling dvd player too.
#4
banned#5
HD quality is significantly better than SD. It's night and day to me though I acknowledge some people can't tell the difference that much.

I don't even watch the SD channels on Sky anymore, I just go straight to the HD ones.
#6
master_chief
HD quality is significantly better than SD. It's night and day to me though I acknowledge some people can't tell the difference that much.

I don't even watch the SD channels on Sky anymore, I just go straight to the HD ones.


Most of the stuff I've seen on the HD channels is just upscaled anyway :)
banned#7
dcx_badass
A blu-ray player will upscale anyway. I personally think Blu-rays are completely over rated, with a decent upscaling player I can't notice a difference unless I pause it and go wow look at the difference, in live motion the difference is negligible and that's even say 2-3 foot away.

you must be blind then m8!

put a blu-ray on a 50" tv and the difference between that and a dvd is huge


Comparisons:-

Blade Runner

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300

http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=749



Edited By: csiman on Nov 30, 2010 08:18: ffs
#8
Is it worth the extra for Blu-ray over upscaled DVD?.....Hell yes, there is a very noticeable difference but only if you have the equipment and set-up to make the most of it.
banned#9
I very much think its down to the film and transfer.

Some films, in motion, on a 40" tv from a reasonable distance away look absolutely magnificent. Superb clarifty, different league.

Others, and indeed the majority, don't look much better, and don't really command the extra cash.

If you want to test bluray to the max - get Avatar (the original without the special features). The film might be meh, but the quality is the best I've been on bluray. Casino Royale is also good.
banned#10
It's like saying is there a different between upscaled programmes on BBC1HD and true HD on BBC1HD. The answer is: yes, markedly.

To be honest, I've tried to ignore dcx's usual bull, but I give in - he's talking absolute **** about pausing it and losing the detail in motion. He probably bought a Morrisons own brand TV.
banned#11
vibeone
I very much think its down to the film and transfer.Some films, in motion, on a 40" tv from a reasonable distance away look absolutely magnificent. Superb clarifty, different league.Others, and indeed the majority, don't look much better, and don't really command the extra cash.If you want to test bluray to the max - get Avatar (the original without the special features). The film might be meh, but the quality is the best I've been on bluray. Casino Royale is also good.

I found Avatar to look more cartoonish on Blu ray than I remembered at cinema. It looks superb don't get me wrong, but much like a Pixar movie does.
#12
master_chief
I found Avatar to look more cartoonish on Blu ray than I remembered at cinema. It looks superb don't get me wrong, but much like a Pixar movie does.

You watch it in 3D at the cinema by any chance? That takes away some of the vividness of the colours which I suspect is what you're referring too.

Edited By: megalomaniac on Nov 30, 2010 09:16
banned#13
megalomaniac
master_chief
I found Avatar to look more cartoonish on Blu ray than I remembered at cinema. It looks superb don't get me wrong, but much like a Pixar movie does.
You watch it in 3D at the cinema by any chance? That takes away some of the vividness of the colours which I suspect is what you're referring too.

Yeah definitely agree with you there. It actually improved the movie it being in 3D at the cinema and I won't say that very often. I don't like it anway but I find it nearly unwatchable on Blu.
banned#14
I don't disagree mc, I just think it does a great job of showing up the quality and detail etc. Casino Royale might be a better bet for you!
banned#15
vibeone
I don't disagree mc, I just think it does a great job of showing up the quality and detail etc. Casino Royale might be a better bet for you!

I've seen most of the reference quality Blu Rays now. I'm keen to see The Thin Red Line as that is supposed to be the best disc out there.

Scenes with people in are always going to give you a better frame of reference than a special effect.
#16
I do think there's a difference, if you look for it. Not sure it adds much overall though. Upscaled stuff on Sky, native HD stuff on Sky - they're both 'good'

I've only ever used my Bluray for Toy Story, Toy Story 2 and Avatar, which all looked great, but tbh the 720 rips of films I usually watch are also great. Sure there's a difference, but not a phenomenal one.

I have a 37" Panasonic plasma, so perhaps if it was larger it would be more evident, but it's certainly not a rubbish setup

Sound on the other hand adds loads and loads to the experience.
banned#17
dcx_badass
Once again, like I said obviously if you can pause it you can tell the difference like in those screen shots. Watching the film playing you can't.

Once again, like I said, if you cant tell the difference when the picture is moving; then you must be blind! or have a crap tv lol
banned#18
csiman
dcx_badass
Once again, like I said obviously if you can pause it you can tell the difference like in those screen shots. Watching the film playing you can't.

Once again, like I said, if you cant tell the difference when the picture is moving; then you must be blind! or have a crap tv lol


If he can tell the difference when its paused, but not when playing, it suggests its a crap TV with lots of motion blur.
#19
vibeone
If he can tell the difference when its paused, but not when playing, it suggests its a crap TV with lots of motion blur.

Didn't he say his main set was a LG 47LH3000? By all accounts not a bad TV, pretty good for the price even. Although given it's an entry-level LG, it's never going to be brilliant. That said, it's probably better than what a lot of the folks are round these parts are watching (you know, the ones that vote Tecknika TV deals sky high).....



Edited By: megalomaniac on Nov 30, 2010 15:10
#20
I've compared many of my DVDs to the blu-rays and there is a difference in PQ.

Most blu-rays are pretty cheap nowadays,

I've had my Blu-ray player 3 months and currently own 68 Blu-ray, well worth the money IMO
banned#21
megalomaniac
vibeone
If he can tell the difference when its paused, but not when playing, it suggests its a crap TV with lots of motion blur.

Didn't he say his main set was a LG 47LH3000? By all accounts not a bad TV, pretty good for the price even. Although given it's an entry-level LG, it's never going to be brilliant. That said, it's probably better than what a lot of the folks are round these parts are watching (you know, the ones that vote Tecknika TV deals sky high).....




I have a LG tv, and its alright. Whether its the best for motion shots I don't know (its a 24" TV/Monitor used as a monitor).

But yeah, agree on the tesco telly front! add-man has a point too - blurays aint that expensive anymore.
banned#22
sancho1983
I do think there's a difference, if you look for it. Not sure it adds much overall though. Upscaled stuff on Sky, native HD stuff on Sky - they're both 'good'I've only ever used my Bluray for Toy Story, Toy Story 2 and Avatar, which all looked great, but tbh the 720 rips of films I usually watch are also great. Sure there's a difference, but not a phenomenal one.I have a 37" Panasonic plasma, so perhaps if it was larger it would be more evident, but it's certainly not a rubbish setupSound on the other hand adds loads and loads to the experience.


As you know I watch a fair amount of 720p stuff too and even that is significantly superior to upscaled DVD but somewhat below a full Blu Ray disc, perhaps in between them.
#23
vibeone
I have a LG tv, and its alright. Whether its the best for motion shots I don't know (its a 24" TV/Monitor used as a monitor).

But yeah, agree on the tesco telly front! add-man has a point too - blurays aint that expensive anymore.

No offence to your TV intended, the main thrust of the sentence was that it's one of the better entry-level TV's, but still entry-level, not that it's LG :p.

Yeah lots of Blu-rays around a tenner these days.
banned#24
megalomaniac
vibeone
I have a LG tv, and its alright. Whether its the best for motion shots I don't know (its a 24" TV/Monitor used as a monitor).

But yeah, agree on the tesco telly front! add-man has a point too - blurays aint that expensive anymore.

No offence to your TV intended, the main thrust of the sentence was that it's one of the better entry-level TV's, but still entry-level, not that it's LG :p.

Yeah lots of Blu-rays around a tenner these days.


None taken - I just agreed that I have no problem with the LG brand really :P

I have an entry level Sony.
#25
master_chief
sancho1983
I do think there's a difference, if you look for it. Not sure it adds much overall though. Upscaled stuff on Sky, native HD stuff on Sky - they're both 'good'I've only ever used my Bluray for Toy Story, Toy Story 2 and Avatar, which all looked great, but tbh the 720 rips of films I usually watch are also great. Sure there's a difference, but not a phenomenal one.I have a 37" Panasonic plasma, so perhaps if it was larger it would be more evident, but it's certainly not a rubbish setupSound on the other hand adds loads and loads to the experience.



As you know I watch a fair amount of 720p stuff too and even that is significantly superior to upscaled DVD but somewhat below a full Blu Ray disc, perhaps in between them.


Do you think It's worth having the full 40gb odd br over 8gb 720 rips, I might grab one and see.

Now to decide on the best one to go for.....
banned#26
I'm fine with 720p downloads.
#27
Well this debate is going like all the others on dedicated AV forums. Digressions into 3D, projectors and HD vs SD. Haven't seen much about whether upscaling is that much lesser than bluray.

And when i've just moved into a new place £30 extra is still £30 :)

For reference sakes it's going to be a 32" TV.

Edited By: dfaz on Nov 30, 2010 17:23
#28
It's subjective, get a BluRay
banned#29
sancho1983
master_chief
sancho1983
I do think there's a difference, if you look for it. Not sure it adds much overall though. Upscaled stuff on Sky, native HD stuff on Sky - they're both 'good'I've only ever used my Bluray for Toy Story, Toy Story 2 and Avatar, which all looked great, but tbh the 720 rips of films I usually watch are also great. Sure there's a difference, but not a phenomenal one.I have a 37" Panasonic plasma, so perhaps if it was larger it would be more evident, but it's certainly not a rubbish setupSound on the other hand adds loads and loads to the experience.



As you know I watch a fair amount of 720p stuff too and even that is significantly superior to upscaled DVD but somewhat below a full Blu Ray disc, perhaps in between them.


Do you think It's worth having the full 40gb odd br over 8gb 720 rips, I might grab one and see.

Now to decide on the best one to go for.....


I think they're worth having for movies you want to keep or love. I get the 720p rips for the rest. I also like having the lossless audio on the full Blu Rays.

Check here for reviews of discs
#30
No point getting a HDTV if you dont have anything in HD to watch on it.
#31
dcx_badass
And a LG 32LH7700 which isn't entry level, around mid level and a LG M2394D, same on them all, HD is over rated.

I disagree with that, depends on the source though
#32
sancho1983
dcx_badass
And a LG 32LH7700 which isn't entry level, around mid level and a LG M2394D, same on them all, HD is over rated.


I disagree with that, depends on the source though


And the person.
I bought Kick-ass on DVD, and whole time i was watching it i was thinking "this would be so much better on blu-ray".
I like my films to look as good as the possibly can, so i love blu-ray.
#33
dcx_badass
And a LG 32LH7700 which isn't entry level, around mid level and a LG M2394D, same on them all, HD is over rated.

No but it is around 10-18 inches too small to get the benefit of 1080p unless you're sat with your nose against the screen ;).

add-man
I bought Kick-ass on DVD, and whole time i was watching it i was thinking "this would be so much better on blu-ray".
I like my films to look as good as the possibly can, so i love blu-ray.
.
Kick Ass kicks ass on Blu-ray 8)
#34
http://www.blogcdn.com/hd.engadget.com/media/2006/12/resolution_chart.jpg

The bigger your screen the more imperfections and the more you will notice the difference between a higher bit rate source. So yes it is understandable that a person cannot notice the difference between DVD and BR on a 32" TV whereas the same person would notice the difference so much on a 100" projector they would probably wee their pants. It 100% depends on your other equipment.

Edited By: PhearFactor on Dec 01, 2010 03:09

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