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9y, 6m agoPosted 9 years, 6 months ago
Use Windows Vista? Value your privacy? Then you need to read this:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Forget-about-the-WGA-20-Windows-Vista-Features-and-Services-Harvest-User-Data-for-Microsoft-58752.shtmlhttp://news.softpedia.com/news/Forget-about-the-WGA-20-Windows-Vista-Features-and-Services-Harvest-User-Data-for-Microsoft-58752.shtml

Yup, that's right Microsoft are using Vista to collect user data. I've been saying it for ages, but it's nice to know some well respected sources agree with me.

Now maybe some of you trust Microsoft with all this information and think it's fine, the "so what I have nothing to hide" approach, but what if it gets into the wrong hands. There are plenty of opportunities between your computer and Redmond for an unscrupulous sort to try and steal data, as we all know Microsoft operating systems aren't exactly renowned for having unbeatable security. How long can it be before the first virus/trojan/etc. comes along that takes advantage of all that user data? It sounds bad enough if you're a home user, but businesses must be having kittens over this.
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#1
I don't care as I use legit software so I am not worried about any info that they want to collect from me. If it makes the system better so be it :thumbsup: , just pppp's me off that some peeps use pirate software and get things on the cheap all the time. Vista was always about stopping this anyway, afaiwc.
#2
Crazy1
I don't care as I use legit software so I am not worried about any info that they want to collect from me. If it makes the system better so be it :thumbsup: , just pppp's me off that some peeps use pirate software and get things on the cheap all the time. Vista was always about stopping this anyway, afaiwc.


LOL, I don't run a pirate copy of Windows either, I suggest you read the article properly. This has very little to do with making sure you're using legal software, that's drop in the ocean of the data they are collecting. It has everything to do with Microsoft knowing what's installed on your computer and what you're using it for, knowing everything you do from the time you start up your PC. Does that not worry you at all? Do you not think that information in the wrong hands could be very dangerous.
#3
megalomaniac
LOL, I don't run a pirate copy of Windows either, I suggest you read the article properly. This has very little to do with making sure you're using legal software, that's drop in the ocean of the data they are collecting. It has everything to do with Microsoft knowing what's installed on your computer and what you're using it for, knowing everything you do from the time you start up your PC. Does that not worry you at all? Do you not think that information in the wrong hands could be very dangerous.

Doubt they're allowed to copy EVERYTHING under the human rights act [im just guessing its under this act]

It basically means your under serviellence 24/7

and if theyre copying EVERYTHING this means card details, so for the god knows how many million using vista, if this gets into the wrong hands it could be catastrophic.
#4
t0mm
Doubt they're allowed to copy EVERYTHING under the human rights act [im just guessing its under this act]

It basically means your under serviellence 24/7

and if theyre copying EVERYTHING this means card details, so for the god knows how many million using vista, if this gets into the wrong hands it could be catastrophic.


Read the article mate :thumbsup:, there's no personal identifying information being broadcast back to Redmond, that means no credit card info etc. that would be an incredibly irresponsible thing to do. However it will record things like the fact you've searched for holidays in Spain on the 1st week of August along with your IP address, it's very very easy to turn an IP address into a physical address, hey presto Harry the Hacker knows your address and that you're going on holiday and informs his mate Barry the burglar - I'm sure you can guess the rest.
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Wow,some people are actually worried these things can happen? That Barry the burglar will get hold of this info? if it does exist of course,in a format Barry can read.Does Bill Gates really need the money so much he would put his whole organistion in jepardy like this?

You can lead your life worrying about conspiracy theories or you can just get on with it.

Some people just wanna believe these things,no matter how far fetched.
#6
daveyA
Wow,some people are actually worried these things can happen? That Barry the burglar will get hold of this info? if it does exist of course,in a format Barry can read.Does Bill Gates really need the money so much he would put his whole organistion in jepardy like this?

You can lead your life worrying about conspiracy theories or you can just get on with it.

Some people just wanna believe these things,no matter how far fetched.


This data can and will get out, the information is only as secure as your computer and your internet connection which means not very in most cases. I'm not saying it wouldn't be perfectly safe stored at Redmond behind some of the worlds toughest security, it's the getting there that's the dangerous part.

And it does exist, Microsoft have openly admitted to it and that they haven't disclosed everything they collect.

Barry the Burglar probably wouldn't be able to read it, he'd need his mate Harry the Hacker, but as anyone in security knows, no matter how tough your encryption is someone somewhere will break it.

FYI Bill Gates doesn't run Microsoft anymore, Steve Ballmer does.
banned#7
megalomaniac
This data can and will get out, the information is only as secure as your computer and your internet connection which means not very in most cases. I'm not saying it wouldn't be perfectly safe stored at Redmond behind some of the worlds toughest security, it's the getting there that's the dangerous part.

And it does exist, Microsoft have openly admitted to it and that they haven't disclosed everything.

FYI Bill Gates doesn't run Microsoft anymore, Steve Ballmer does.



you have got everything twisted ill explain why later
#8
I've read it now and so what!!?? it's no worse that some sap reporting you to the old bill for spying on kids or something and them coming into your house and taking your pc away for analysis and finding out things there either. Big brother can keep watching and listening to me all he wants, I still have nothing to hide and as far as Barry is concerned, he was caught last weekend so he won't be bothering me for a looooong time either.

While you are on your high horse about data protection :whistling: what about the yanks demanding your credit card details from airline operators when you book a flight, I know it is going through the courts at the moment but they are accessing your bank accounts and seeing how much you have and what you paid for etc etc, that worries me more than MS. :whistling:
#9
Crazy1
While you are on your high horse about data protection :whistling: what about the yanks demanding your credit card details from airline operators when you book a flight, I know it is going through the courts at the moment but they are accessing your bank accounts and seeing how much you have and what you paid for etc etc, that worries me more than MS. :whistling:


Well that's the slippery slope isn't it. Where do you draw the line...
[mod]#10
It doesn't bother me in the slightest.....no different to the fact that the goverment know every single thing we do either. It's modern life, i don't buy into consipiracy theories.
#11
megalomaniac
Read the article mate :thumbsup:, there's no personal identifying information being broadcast back to Redmond, that means no credit card info etc. that would be an incredibly irresponsible thing to do. However it will record things like the fact you've searched for holidays in Spain on the 1st week of August along with your IP address, it's very very easy to turn an IP address into a physical address, hey presto Harry the Hacker knows your address and that you're going on holiday and informs his mate Barry the burglar - I'm sure you can guess the rest.


Nonsense - it is not easy to turn an IP address into a physical address, it's your ISP that holds these details and they don't just give them out to anyone or they'd be in serious breach of guidelines. It is easy to find who registered a domain and the address registered it under but that's completely different to the ip address.

Furthermore, even assuming your flawed example was possible - who the heck searches for one distinct holiday and nothing else?? With the vast choice available it's normal for people to search many holidays and dates.

There are valid privacy concerns with Vista but daft scaremongering just makes people ignore you or reject those concerns entirely.

John
#12
Your ISP keeps all the pages you've visited on record for a good number of years anyway.
#13
Johnmcl7
Nonsense - it is not easy to turn an IP address into a physical address, it's your ISP that holds these details and they don't just give them out to anyone or they'd be in serious breach of guidelines. It is easy to find who registered a domain and the address registered it under but that's completely different to the ip address.


True that would be a serious breach, but all it takes is one unscrupulous call centre worker to get the information out there - fyi many large firms have had their fingers wrapped over data protection act breaches, a recent example that springs to mind is Orange, so that is far from impossible.

Besides given a persons IP address and using free and legal tools available on the internet anyone can quickly and easily get information including geographical location (city/town, longitude and latitude), your ISP etc. It's not such a big leap for someone determined and skilled enough to find out more than that.

Johnmcl7
Furthermore, even assuming your flawed example was possible - who the heck searches for one distinct holiday and nothing else?? With the vast choice available it's normal for people to search many holidays and dates.


Ok fair point, not the best example, but I'm trying to use layman's terms here. I'm pretty sure most would just go "huh, I don't understand, what's that got to do with me" if I didn't.

Johnmcl7
There are valid privacy concerns with Vista but daft scaremongering just makes people ignore you or reject those concerns entirely.


Yes there are many concerns, please feel free to chip in with some of yours.

My personal bugbear is the fact that it's the consumers that pay for all this, paying people to implement, maintain and analyse all this is reflected in the price of Vista and hence the price of a new PC. It's not there for the benefit of consumers, it's all about Microsoft's profit margins.

It's not just privacy either, the thing that annoys me most about Vista though is the DRM and copy protection, now I'm probably going to get shouted down for supporting pirates and hating Microsoft for saying that but I'll try and explain myself as best I can.

Let me make this perfectly clear I do not hate Microsoft, I think they've done a lot for the industry, I've used and owned their products for many years, including Windows, since the days of Windows 3.11 and DOS. I currently have several legal copies of Windows XP installed on my computers and think it's a decent OS on the whole. I've even been to their UK HQ in Reading, so do not write me off as just a Microsoft hater, I have legitimate concerns about the directions they (and many others including the Movie and Music industries) are headed and believe they could have far reaching consequences that need addressing.

To make another thing clear, I don't support piracy either. Many people work hard on software, music and movies, games, etc. and they deserve support. However copy protection and DRM is not the way to do it.

All this "protection" costs Billions, who pays for that? We the consumers do! Then, sometimes even before a products released, the pirates break the protection. Vista copy protection has been broken, HD-DVD protection has been broken, etc. Meaning the only thing it actually does is get in the way of honest paying consumers and costs them more money, while those supporting the pirates actually end up with something cheaper and more user friendly once the protection's been removed.

Take music from iTunes as an example, it used to be the case that music brought from iTunes would only play on an iPod because Apple used a proprietary DRM format that isn't compatible with regular mp3 players, effectively forcing you to use Apple products. Now technically converting that music to a format you could play on your regular mp3 player makes you a pirate, but it's your music right? You brought it? Wrong! By law you cannot copy music files, rip CD's etc. even if it's for your own use, it's still a breach of copyright law. Not exactly consumer friendly is it, forcing law abiding citizens to buy the same thing in every format they might need it in. Once for the CD player in the house, once because you like to keep one in the CD car, once to buy the mp3 for your mp3 player, etc. That's profiteering plain and simple and actually provides incentives for regular people to become pirates or support piracy. Now to be fair Apple are headed in the right direction on this, they're started selling DRM free music, and guess what, their sales have shot up as a result.

Now take Vista DRM which slows down your computer drastically, for example it makes copying files slower so it can check you're not doing anything that breaches Microsofts policy's, in fact even when your not doing anything it still checks 30 times a second to make sure you're not up to anything. Again look it up if you can't take my word for it this is proven fact and is the real reason why Vista needs a much higher specification PC than XP. So again it's costing you money to shell out on a faster PC that you don't really need other than to run something that gets in the way of your user experience. It'll cost you even more if you want to watch HD content, Vista will downscale anything that doesn't go through HDCP compliment connections, not many graphics cards or monitors support HDCP yet and those that do tend to be pricey, so good look watching anything in HD on a budget. Again the pirates know how to get round all that, so it's honest law abiding consumers that suffer again.

I'm a firm believer that if you charge a fair price and attach fair conditions people will always prefer to buy the real deal. Besides let us not forget we've been here before, the record and movie industry predicted that home taping would kill them off, yet they both enjoyed record sales year upon year. Now we're told CD Album sales are falling and it's the pirates fault, no it's not! If anything it's digital distributions fault, gone are the days when if you liked a song you were stuck with either buying an album or single and where the album always represented better value, now you can just by the tracks you like. That's the real reason for a downturn in CD Album sales.

Iom-RF
Your ISP keeps all the pages you've visited on record for a good number of years anyway.


True, that's also something I don't especially agree with, the only people that should be allowed to keep that sort of information is the police and security services, and even then only if it aids an investigation. But in their cases there's no convenient store collected by Vista sat on your computer transmitting regularly back to Microsoft. Let's not kid ourselves this is spyware plain and simple, now tell me this how many of you have anti-spyware measures on your computers and worry about getting such things on your machine? So how is it any different for Microsoft to build some into Windows? It's the same information they're interested in! So just because it has a Microsoft logo it's ok?

Syzable
It doesn't bother me in the slightest.....no different to the fact that the goverment know every single thing we do either. It's modern life, i don't buy into consipiracy theories.


To be honest I have no qualms with the government holding a certain amount of data for national security and crime prevention purposes, what I do have a problem with is multi-national corporations having that same data for profiteering purposes.

Take junk mail and junk email, that annoys most people right? Well where do you think they get your details from, someone sells it to them. How do you think they know what mail shots to send out to who? Because they build a profile of you from the data they collect/buy. No data = no junk mail, sounds like a good thing to me.

There's no conspiracy theory here, Microsoft are collecting data on you, it says so in black and white in the Vista licence agreement and privacy statement. They are not denying it.
#14
Crazy1
I've read it now and so what!!?? it's no worse that some sap reporting you to the old bill for spying on kids or something and them coming into your house and taking your pc away for analysis and finding out things there either. Big brother can keep watching and listening to me all he wants, I still have nothing to hide and [COLOR="Red"]as far as Barry is concerned, he was caught last weekend so he won't be bothering me for a looooong time either.[/COLOR]

While you are on your high horse about data protection :whistling: what about the yanks demanding your credit card details from airline operators when you book a flight, I know it is going through the courts at the moment but they are accessing your bank accounts and seeing how much you have and what you paid for etc etc, that worries me more than MS. :whistling:


Probably find he's been released by now:p

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