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Vauxhall Zafira vs Renault Grand Scenic (Reps waiting for constructive advice)

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Sill havent made up my mind yet on which to go for. Although I will definately go for the verso if I could get the extra cash, I have temporarily settled for eiher of the two above. bu not sure which … Read More
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8y, 3w agoPosted 8 years, 3 weeks ago
Sill havent made up my mind yet on which to go for. Although I will definately go for the verso if I could get the extra cash, I have temporarily settled for eiher of the two above. bu not sure which to go for.

Like the look of he new model Zafira but not sure performance wise. Will need to primarily carry 2-3 adults and 4 kids.

Kindly share your experience and stories and point me in the righ direction.

cheers
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1 Like #1
"Advice" :) (No rep required)
#2
I had an 1.8 petrol 08 zafira last year as a pool car it was plenty powerful :)
#3
thesaint
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Thanks for that, typing this at work, shouldnt be caught.
1 Like #4
I think the Vauxhall is the better choice, it will be cheaper and easier to get serviced which is a big plus point, and will hold its value better than the Renault.

I believe the Renault is a bit bigger and the engines aren't as good as the Vauxhall's choice wise?
#5
ctuk
I had an 1.8 petrol 08 zafira last year as a pool car it was plenty powerful :)


whats a pool car? do you still have it?
1 Like #6
Ive drove a zafaria if you get one of the eco tec engines there fuel consumption is really really good. Space is very good, only thing I didn't like is the arm rest in the front. Not the quickest of cars, but really nice to drive for a big solid brick of a car.
1 Like #7
I have a Zafira & can comfortably carry 7 average sized adults, thought the reduced boot size when all 7 seats in use was goiong to be a problem at first however can still carry an umbrella buggy & a couple of shopping bags.
What ages are the 4 kids? If you have fixed car seats the sliding bench seat might be a problem as when the seats are fixed in with a seatbelt the row wont slide & will limit your access to the 2 rear seats. We no longer have this problem as now using highback boosters.
Ours is a 2.0 diesel 7 for short journeys isnt great on the fuel but for longer & motorway alot better. But it is an 05 plate with 40k on the clock so newer models should be more economical. but the engine does have plenty power to it even with a full load.
#8
Also wouldn't buy french, build quality sucks.

The one I drove was the 1.3 I think eco tec.
1 Like #9
Our 1.8 petrol Zafira has been a proper workhorse. It's done 110,000 and it's a 52 plate. The load space with the seats down is awesome and we've moved all sorts of stuff in it.

We also took 6 of us on holiday (deployed the roof box for this, although had some luggage in the 2nd rear seat space as the seat was folded down - IYSWIM.

We're looking to replace it soon - and it will be with a new Zafira.
Lots of car for the money!
1 Like #10
Adam2050
Also wouldn't buy french, build quality sucks.

The one I drove was the 1.3 I think eco tec.


Oooh, the notorious 1.3CDTI engine . . . .

Wouldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding! lol

agree with the Zafira though of the two options, however the best car by miles is mentioned in the OP and i'd save a wee bit more or hunt like hell for a verso over the other two any day :)
#11
mbgringo
Oooh, the notorious 1.3CDTI engine . . . .

Wouldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding! lol

agree with the Zafira though of the two options, however the best car by miles is mentioned in the OP and i'd save a wee bit more or hunt like hell for a verso over the other two any day :)


Ahh that was it.

No it wouldn't but cracking on fuel.:thumbsup:
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My mum and dad have had the 3 secnics in the last 8 years but they always have problems with them but they keep going back. I would say your better with the vauxhall more reliable than renault. My mum and dads car is a just over a year and the have already had it in twice to get things sorted.

They are very spacious though especially if your wanting to have more than 4 adults in it.
#13
Thanks all for all the advice, Children ages are from2 new borns, 24months and 5 years.
I plan to put the 2 years and 5 years at the rear seat, 2 babies in the middle seat, and I wan to be able to access the rear seat through the unoccupied 3 seat in tthe middle.
#14
saayinla;5387085
whats a pool car? do you still have it?

was a work / company car, I drove it 100 miles / day for a month. Very enjoyable, here's a picture I took on a "track day"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/mooshooes/120Zafira.jpg
#15
ctuk
was a work / company car, I drove it 100 miles / day for a month. Very enjoyable, here's a picture I took on a "track day"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/mooshooes/120Zafira.jpg


Was the track day on the A49 near Maccys? :lol:
#16
ctuk you posting from your cell? lol
#17
We nearly bought a Zafira and realised we had problems when trying to put our car seats in... so walked away from the sale because the rep was being an A$$

We actually bought a Grand Scenic - though hubby did alot of research - and you should NOT buy the petrol engine - and if you do buy the diesel then you buy the 1.8 DCi or bigger engine. Also I believe as a rule you shouldn't buy the Grand Scenic older than a 55 plate... 55 and newer are fine as long as the engine is as above.

Our Grand Scenic I must admit is the best car we have bought... I have never been happier with a car (We have bought mostly Fords, Mazda's and Rovers previously.

We have had no problems (touch wood) and our car has only been in the garage for it's recent MOT and for servicing.

This year I bought a special offer on the service and MOT which paying up front was more expensive than paying for one year - but MUCH cheaper than paying for 2 years service and the MOT was included too.

I love the storage space, the mirrors, and the little bit of extra boot you get in the bum of the car! The seats are quick to remove or fold down and the kids call it our Magic car.

I have also not had any problems with the multiple types of car seats that I need - being a childminder. Though I do understand that not all Zafira's would have given me the same problem as the one we were going to buy.

The road tax and insurance were a vast reduction on our Ford Galaxy that we had before - which was the worst car we had ever purchased...

Our second favourite family car was the Ford Focus - I don't know if you have ever looked at the S-Max?

Anyway just our experience!
#18
We now have 2 scenics (grand) one 56 one 08 both are superb, bigger than zafira's too, and IMO they are nicer inside and out.
Older renaults had problems, both the scenic and megane, sure, but they fixed those issues. Lots of info and reviews online, to help you make your choice, hubby helped us lol:thumbsup:
#19
tinkerbell28
We now have 2 scenics (grand) one 56 one 08 both are superb, bigger than zafira's too, and IMO they are nicer inside and out.
Older renaults had problems, both the scenic and megane, sure, but they fixed those issues. Lots of info and reviews online, to help you make your choice, hubby helped us lol:thumbsup:


Exactly! Don't rule out the newer models because of the older models reputation!
#20
We have a Y reg zafira 1.8 SE and it just keeps going and going. Was my main car when we bought it at 6 months old and I absolutely loved it. Amazing power for a big car, love the way it handles, great to drive. Plenty of room for our family of 5 plus 2 dogs :). I now have a new Clio and its not a patch on the Zafira that hubby still drives.
We wont get rid of it until it dies.......too much of a reliable workhorse, when the seats are down its amazing the size of the stuff we can cram in!
#21
saayinla
Thanks all for all the advice, Children ages are from2 new borns, 24months and 5 years.
I plan to put the 2 years and 5 years at the rear seat, 2 babies in the middle seat, and I wan to be able to access the rear seat through the unoccupied 3 seat in tthe middle.


You might want to check that out - it's certainly not possible in our 52 plate, but may of course be different in the newer models.
#22
We were in the same dilemma as you. We already had a grand scenic which we liked but we were getting rid of another car so wanted to trade in the 2. We looked at both the zafira and the scenic and we plumped for the Grand Scenic 1.5 dci Dynamique. Cheap to insure and cheap road tax. We got it on Monday.

The Zafira sliding bench seat was no use with a child in a fixed rear seat ok if in boosters I suppose whereas the scenic's are able to move independently and fold down for access to back seats. We regularly use the rear seats for a 7 year old and 11 year old who can climb in quite easily with and adult in middle row with 2 year old (fixed seat)and 5 year old(booster) with baby in front seat with airbag off. Zafira has no option to turn of the airbag whereas the scenic front passenger airbag can be switched off. Also with dynamique, rear window blinds are built in and a panoramic rear view mirror to view the back.

We had our previous Scenic from new for 4 years and had no problems with it at all. Transported alot of stuff as the boot space with seats folded down is massive.

Hope this helps you.
#23
vicki4903
We were in the same dilemma as you. We already had a grand scenic which we liked but we were getting rid of another car so wanted to trade in the 2. We looked at both the zafira and the scenic and we plumped for the Grand Scenic 1.5 dci Dynamique. Cheap to insure and cheap road tax. We got it on Monday.

The Zafira sliding bench seat was no use with a child in a fixed rear seat ok if in boosters I suppose whereas the scenic's are able to move independently and fold down for access to back seats. We regularly use the rear seats for a 7 year old and 11 year old who can climb in quite easily with and adult in middle row with 2 year old (fixed seat)and 5 year old(booster) with baby in front seat with airbag off. Zafira has no option to turn of the airbag whereas the scenic front passenger airbag can be switched off. Also with dynamique, rear window blinds are built in and a panoramic rear view mirror to view the back.

We had our previous Scenic from new for 4 years and had no problems with it at all. Transported alot of stuff as the boot space with seats folded down is massive.

Hope this helps you.


Gosh you pointed out some other valid reasons why we went for the scenic rather than the Zafira! I forgot about the airbags, the rear window blinds and the panoramic rear view - all essential with the kids
#24
Also can I add that with the the rear seats both up I can still fit my phil and ted double buggy in and some shopping. I don't think you would be able to do this in the zafira but maybe with an umbrealla buggy.
#25
Check out insurance group, road tax, and MPG for both. These will be ongoing costs and if there are any differences worth knowing before you buy
#26
vicki4903
We were in the same dilemma as you. We already had a grand scenic which we liked but we were getting rid of another car so wanted to trade in the 2. We looked at both the zafira and the scenic and we plumped for the Grand Scenic 1.5 dci Dynamique. Cheap to insure and cheap road tax. We got it on Monday.

The Zafira sliding bench seat was no use with a child in a fixed rear seat ok if in boosters I suppose whereas the scenic's are able to move independently and fold down for access to back seats. We regularly use the rear seats for a 7 year old and 11 year old who can climb in quite easily with and adult in middle row with 2 year old (fixed seat)and 5 year old(booster) with baby in front seat with airbag off. Zafira has no option to turn of the airbag whereas the scenic front passenger airbag can be switched off. Also with dynamique, rear window blinds are built in and a panoramic rear view mirror to view the back.

We had our previous Scenic from new for 4 years and had no problems with it at all. Transported alot of stuff as the boot space with seats folded down is massive.

Hope this helps you.


Thanks for all the advice. can i ask how many people you intend to carry in yours typically when going out? as i am thinking the 1.5 engine might not cut it. although its just me and my wife and the kids and we only do shopping once in a month so its not like the car will always be load ladden. what reg is yours as well?
1 Like #27
My OH feels it is definetly more powerful than the 1.6 petrol we had previous. Ours is a 56 plate and normally we have 5 people with a double buggy in boot. It has a 6 speed gearbox and pulls well going uphill no need to change down gears. Road tax is £120 a year and insurance is group 5.

If you are unsure about performance you should take a test drive.

HTH
1 Like #28
saayinla
Thanks for all the advice. can i ask how many people you intend to carry in yours typically when going out? as i am thinking the 1.5 engine might not cut it. although its just me and my wife and the kids and we only do shopping once in a month so its not like the car will always be load ladden. what reg is yours as well?


Our Grand Scenic is a 55 plate - I carry 7 people every single day as I am a childminder, and a buggy in the boot.

Our engine is a 1.8 DCi
#29
I have been told go for the Toyota by Top gear. lol
#30
vicki4903
My OH feels it is definetly more powerful than the 1.6 petrol we had previous. Ours is a 56 plate and normally we have 5 people with a double buggy in boot. It has a 6 speed gearbox and pulls well going uphill no need to change down gears. Road tax is £120 a year and insurance is group 5.

If you are unsure about performance you should take a test drive.

HTH


Thanks once again, when you say seven people, how many of these are adults and how many are kids?
#31
There are 2 adults, 5 children aged 12, 7, 5, 2 ,and 5months.
#32
On a non childminding journey - when carrying 7 people, I usually carry 4 adults and 3 kids.

The 4 adults are usually distributed as 2 in front, 2 in middle row, 1 child (youngest baby) in middle row, and 2 kids usually 3 and 6 year old in rear of car.
banned 1 Like #33
when driving always sit in the front .. if its right hand drive, sit on the right hand side like wise if its left hand drive, sit on the left hand side
#34
zafira imo beats a renault surely:thumbsup:
#35
Charlie Scene
zafira imo beats a renault surely:thumbsup:


Proof please, can you point out the practicality in your own opinion based on the OP's request?
#36
I own a 52 Zafira but have had a Scenic as a hire car. Both are very good. The Scenic probably has a bit more room (seats up or down) and is slightly more practical. Our Zafira only has a lap belt in the middle-middle seat, which has caused us a few problems in using car seats.

However, I would not buy a Scenic as the electric handbrake would drive me crazy. Could not do hill starts all week - although maybe that was just me :-D
#37
AyrshireBacon
I own a 52 Zafira but have had a Scenic as a hire car. Both are very good. The Scenic probably has a bit more room (seats up or down) and is slightly more practical. Our Zafira only has a lap belt in the middle-middle seat, which has caused us a few problems in using car seats.

However, I would not buy a Scenic as the electric handbrake would drive me crazy. Could not do hill starts all week - although maybe that was just me :-D


How could you not do hillstarts with an electronic handbrake? You just pull away as normal, but it releases the handbrake for you. Fantastic system for normal driving.
#38
pghstochaj
How could you not do hillstarts with an electronic handbrake? You just pull away as normal, but it releases the handbrake for you. Fantastic system for normal driving.


This was a manual electric handbrake - maybe an older Scenic? You had to pull out a lever (a bit like a coin tray) on your right hand side and then press a button in the middle of the tray.
Just didn't like it. Not one little bit.
#39
AyrshireBacon
This was a manual electric handbrake - maybe an older Scenic? You had to pull out a lever (a bit like a coin tray) on your right hand side and then press a button in the middle of the tray.
Just didn't like it. Not one little bit.


That's not how it works though, although I can see why you didn't know.

The Renault electronic handbrake releases when you lift the clutch and accelerate and have forward motion. The centre release button is only there incase you want to release it without pulling away. There is a further manual release inside the glovebox area (in the Laguna, might be elsewhere on the Scenic) which allows you to manually disengage the handbrake if there is a power failure (etc.).

It does not come on automatically when you stop though of course, that's when you pull out the lever but when you pull away, it automatically disengages, but only if you know that it does that. Clearly on a manual car, a manual electronic handbrake would be worse than useless since you wouldn't be able to succesfully pull away as the handbrake release button is pretty much instantaneous and you would not know how how to control that with your pedals (as you found).
#40
pghstochaj
That's not how it works though, although I can see why you didn't know.

The Renault electronic handbrake releases when you lift the clutch and accelerate and have forward motion. The centre release button is only there incase you want to release it without pulling away. There is a further manual release inside the glovebox area (in the Laguna, might be elsewhere on the Scenic) which allows you to manually disengage the handbrake if there is a power failure (etc.).

It does not come on automatically when you stop though of course, that's when you pull out the lever but when you pull away, it automatically disengages, but only if you know that it does that. Clearly on a manual car, a manual electronic handbrake would be worse than useless since you wouldn't be able to succesfully pull away as the handbrake release button is pretty much instantaneous and you would not know how how to control that with your pedals (as you found).

Yeah that is a fab feature, I would miss that in any other car, well explained too:thumbsup:

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