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VB1: Bulger mother interviews/press coverage etc etc

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banned6y, 9m agoPosted 6 years, 9 months ago
Meanwhile Mrs Fergus said Venables' recall had left her "very emotional".

She said: "My head has been all over the place. I don't know what he has done.

"I don't know whether he has gone on to kill someone else.

"I have had sleepless nights and I am not eating again - I have had to pull my kids out of school.

"It is just one massive rollercoaster again for me."

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Am I being too harsh? To me its just publicity seeking and totally over the top.
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banned6y, 9m agoPosted 6 years, 9 months ago
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#1
Well let's just hope you never lose anyone the way she did then as i think that's the only way you could understand how it must feel
banned#2
I would say your thread is more guilty of that!
#3
Way too harsh

She has to live everyday with the mental images of what those kids did to her baby, that will never go away and she now has to suffer seeing his face all over the papers etc again
banned#4
It's one very damaged mother. Could be many things, very few people would be able to overcome such grief. Perhaps she feels to blame if she let her son out of sight/in the trust of kids.

Understandable all the same. We deal with grief in many ways.

So the answer is Yes, too harsh in my opinion. However her other kids need proper help as well as the mother.
banned#5
aScottishBloke
It's one very damaged mother. Could be many things, very few people would be able to overcome such grief. Perhaps she feels to blame if she let her son out of sight/in the trust of kids.

Understandable all the same
. We deal with grief in many ways.


i dont think she has the rights to anything, i know that sounds harsh but i do agree that her behaviour is very understandable and if this thread is to remain on the boards maybe people could remember what this women went through and has lost
#6
I think all of us parents have at one point lost sight of our kids and thankfully got them back quite quickly - what that poor woman has gone through - I just cant think about it.

Your being too harsh VB1
#7
just saw on bbc news the clip of her blabbing on

hes gone back to prison, so why would she be worried hmmm
banned#8
I'm not suggesting she shouldn't still grieve - that is of course different for everyone. i just think she's hamming it up a bit - more so when I read the quote in OP.

Sassie: For once i agree, though slightly off topic - I don't see why she should have more rights than anyone else. Law is law, though i think its in the public interest for everyone to know.

Cheers to ASB for returning the thread and seeing it for what it is - a discussion point rather than trolling!
banned#9
numptyj
just saw on bbc news the clip of her blabbing on

hes gone back to prison, so why would she be worried hmmm


Might be harsh - but that how I saw it as well. yes its hard having it brought up again, but kids off school etc etc? Maybe its the media but it just all sounds like rubbish to me.


guv
She's obviously very distraught at what's happened and rightly (IMHO) wants to see Venables behind bars. is it her that's seeking publicity or the media anxious to reopen old wounds? She could shy away from it and probably many would. But all things being equal, she has my sympathy.

I wonder what Venables parents have to say on the matter?


Fair point, though in the interview in which the quote was from, it was straight from the horses mouth so to speak - no silly press release etc.

Its not that I'm not sympathetic to her plight - I just think, like i said, shes hamming it up a bit too far.
#10
I can see how it would be very difficult for her to move on in her life when the whole incident gets dragged up again. I don't think her appearing on This Morning and other TV shows is going to help her move on either though; if you can ever really move on from having your child murdered by two pieces of absolute scum. Likewise, I can see why she wouldn't feel safe to send her kids to school, the poor woman must be completely traumatised but at the same time keeping the kids home is not going to help her or them in the long run. Very difficult situtaion all round. What shocks me is that the two murderers were let on after serving such a short amount of time; their age when they commited the crime is irrlevant to me as from what I can remember they never showed remorse in court according to the reports and there was clear planning, it wasn;t an accident. Media trawling past events up again isn't great either but this kind of incident shows the kind of frenzy culture that we have in this country now.

Thread title is harsh though.
banned#11
btw, thread title is "get over the fact hes back in prision" etc etc, not "get over the fact your kid got murdered" - I wouldn't say it was harsh, though clearly I wanted to provoke a discussion, so its hardly middle ground i accept.
banned#12
I think she has been let down by a lot of people and feels bitter.

I guess she has taken her kids out of school because she probably thought that her life had some normality and then suddenly her face is in every newspaper again.

She is probably sick of people asking her if she is ok and people giving their opinions.

So she is probably changing her daily routine to avoid too much attention.
banned#13
Posting in a VB1 thread. Wagwan.

I agree with VB, although the woman has been through hell. I imagine it's not a case of her saying "I want to go to all the newspapers about my outrage" and more a case of EVERY single news channel, newspaper and news website constantly contacting her for her opinion.

It's not as if she really had a choice.

I'd bet that given the choice, she'd rather not have to be quoted in every single paper everyday
#14
Are you serious?
Why did you even need to start a thread about this?

This woman has lost her child, and even though it happened years ago im sure she thinks about it everyday. She also probably blmaes herself and wishes she keot hold of his hand. How the hell can her response be over the top. Ones behind bars now, but for how long and the other one is still out free. Since realease these two did have not had 24hour surveillance, meaning that they could get up to what ever they like. I feel every sympathy for her!
banned#15
guv
Is there a "norm" for this sort of thing?

I can quite understand a mother picking up a gun and shooting in cold blood the killer who did what they did. Is that hamming it up more than crying over the reopened wound? I just think she's being forced into going through everything for the second time.


I'd say that was a more natural reaction than constantly giving soundbites to the press. I mean its not just about todays interview, she seems to have given an opinion multiple times at every stage of the current issue... maybe its just me but I'd feel more sympathy if she just kept quiet about things and got on with stuff.

Whether he has done something bad again now is not really of her concern. Personally i don't think either of them should have ever been released, so I'm not defending them or anything close.
#16
She's taken her children out of school because of the constant questions/attention they were getting

She doesnt feel justice has ever been doen for James, and rightly so imo

She wants to know if the justice system has left us down, what sort of a crime has this person committed having had tens of thousands of pounds of taxpayers money wasted on trying to rehabilitate him?
banned#17
I can see both sides.

What she has been through is terrible, but does she need to go on tv, demanding people be sacked without knowing the whole story and doing little but feeding the media hysteria?
#18
FilthAndFurry
I can see both sides.

What she has been through is terrible, but does she need to go on tv, demanding people be sacked without knowing the whole story and doing little but feeding the media hysteria?


She's asked to give an opinion, and thats what she's done. I doubt very much that she phoned up This Morning demanding to be given air time. In fact they plugged her appearance on the show quite a bit.

I dont think what she said was to provoke a reaction or feed the hysteria

She must feel highly involved in this story, especially seeing as her sons picture has been dragged through every story and the constant attention she has once again had to face - no wonder she wants answers, we all want to know dont we?

She has been given a platform to voice her wants and feelings and I think its cruel for people to judge her
banned#19
FilthAndFurry
I can see both sides.

What she has been through is terrible, but does she need to go on tv, demanding people be sacked without knowing the whole story and doing little but feeding the media hysteria?


yes, agreed - i heard something that she had said everyone involved in his rehabilitation and release should be sacked, if thats true, why should they be? What exactly does she think they did wrong? I'm sure they were following orders in the most case, and they were always going to be released when they were 18, so thats hardly a probabtion officers fault!

He committed another crime, he's back inside. Good.
banned#20
libEL
She's asked to give an opinion, and thats what she's done. I doubt very much that she phoned up This Morning demanding to be given air time. In fact they plugged her appearance on the show quite a bit.

I dont think what she said was to provoke a reaction or feed the hysteria



If she actually doesn't understand that the comments she makes on This Morning keep the story going for the next few news cycles then she's either extremely naive or extremely stupid.

The redtops will love that she's gone out there and stoked the story further.

The line about sacking the people monitoring Venables was absolutely perfect as it feeds into the distrust of officials we have after Baby P and various government scandals.

If she wasn't coached to give that answer then someone on Fleet Street had his birthday wish answered.
#21
The question raised by this thread is the wrong one.

What this woman has been through is I would suggest at the very limits if not beyond what a human can experience without being massively and irreversibly damaged. Her behaviour would be completely understandable whatever she did, from taking direct retribution to "seeking publicity" for her opinions to having a complete breakdown. She should have nothing but sympathy from anybody who has any dealings with her, regardless of what she is or is not entitled to.

The real issue is the way the press are using this woman to further their agenda. You can rest assured she is being chased from pillar to post 24 hours a day by the press in all it's guises in an attempt to get anything quotable.

It's the media itself that should be put under the microscope, questioned and made to account for what they think society will gain from their constant grubbing around in this case.
banned#22
Plum
The question raised by this thread is the wrong one.


No its not, its the question I've chosen to ask. Deal with it, or if you don't like the question, feel free to ask a "right" one elsewhere. Cheers.

PS: Congrats on 1k posts
banned#23
libEL
She's asked to give an opinion, and thats what she's done. I doubt very much that she phoned up This Morning demanding to be given air time.


I agree - I'm sure she hasn't - however, its quite easy to say no isn't it?. Before anyone moans about a serious story being mixed with a boring 'fluff' story - don't - but as an example, Wayne Bridge has done a sterling job of pretty much completely ignoring the media.
#24
Plum
The question raised by this thread is the wrong one.

What this woman has been through is I would suggest at the very limits if not beyond what a human can experience without being massively and irreversibly damaged. Her behaviour would be completely understandable whatever she did, from taking direct retribution to "seeking publicity" for her opinions to having a complete breakdown. She should have nothing but sympathy from anybody who has any dealings with her, regardless of what she is or is not entitled to.

The real issue is the way the press are using this woman to further their agenda. You can rest assured she is being chased from pillar to post 24 hours a day by the press in all it's guises in an attempt to get anything quotable.

It's the media itself that should be put under the microscope, questioned and made to account for what they think society will gain from their constant grubbing around in this case.


spot on :thumbsup:
banned#25
guv
Wayne Bridge has a reason not to want the media discussing his life story. I'm sure if she thought it could help, she could have asked everyone to wear "Team Bulger" t shirts. I'm guessing she didn't feel that would help and wasn't a real substitute for venting her spleen.


Agreed, but doesn't she have a reason to not want the media discussing her constantly?
#26
vibeone
Agreed, but doesn't she have a reason to not want the media discussing her constantly?


Might have a reason but doesnt have a choice

She's angry, that anger will never leave her - she wants to vent and is being given the opportunity to do so. That doesnt make her wrong or attention grabbing, that makes her human. She's broken beyond repair from what has happened and any story which brings her son back into the media will make her relive it
#27
Plum


The real issue is the way the press are using this woman to further their agenda. You can rest assured she is being chased from pillar to post 24 hours a day by the press in all it's guises in an attempt to get anything quotable.

It's the media itself that should be put under the microscope, questioned and made to account for what they think society will gain from their constant grubbing around in this case.


They want to sell more newspapers than their rivals. No other reason.
#28
Too harsh? Heartless more like.

This woman has to live with what those little monsters did to her little boy for the rest of her life. I shudder even now every time I see the pictures of the CCTV footage with Venables holding onto the toddlers hand leading to him to his death...You should be ashamed of yourself ever thinking this let alone posting a thread about it. Sick.
banned#29
guv
She wants justice. I'm guessing she's not very happy that the person who murdered her 2 year old son, was sentenced to life, got freed after 9 years and has committed (allegedly) further "very serious offences".

Are you going to complain that she's bullying Jon Venables?


Nah - he's not a genuinely, nice guy like the person you are referring to :P Though if reports are correct, we've probably paid for Jon Venables RRP 66K beemer...
banned#30
ei8hty5ive
Too harsh? Heartless more like.

This woman has to live with what those little monsters did to her little boy for the rest of her life. I shudder even now every time I see the pictures of the CCTV footage with Venables holding onto the toddlers hand leading to him to his death...You should be ashamed of yourself ever thinking this let alone posting a thread about it. Sick.


I read your post with interested until you resorted to pathetic emotional ******** in order to force your opinion on others. I pity you. Plenty of people in this thread disagree with me, but haven't resorted to what you just have.
banned#31
vibeone
I read your post with interested until you resorted to pathetic emotional ******** in order to force your opinion on others. I pity you. Plenty of people in this thread disagree with me, but haven't resorted to what you just have.


I bet you're quite pleased that he posted that.
#32
I knida see where your coming from but in this case I think yoour being a tad harsh.

She's quite rightly still grieving and angry about her son and needs to vent somewhere, it just so happens that pip schofield and co are there to hold her hand and are giving her the platform to do it. It's of course a little bonus that this morning will get a couple of single mums switching over from cash in the attic to shed some tears and then rush out and buy whatever newspaper gives mrs fergus the biggest hug and 4 page spread.
#33
vibeone
I read your post with interested until you resorted to pathetic emotional ******** in order to force your opinion on others. I pity you. Plenty of people in this thread disagree with me, but haven't resorted to what you just have.


I'm so glad you feel that way. If you pity a person for showing sympathy for someone who has lost a loved one in the most appalling way then that just proves my theory correct, you are heartless.

I am not forcing my opinions on anyone else, I am just expressing my own thoughts on the subject matter, that IS the reason for this thread. right? Or are are you just attention seeking and this attack on a greiving woman totally over the top?
#34
i think your being harsh
she said right from when they were released they would reoffend now one possibly has and who knows what he has done this time
The goverement didnt listen to her then there not listening now what other option is there but to try to get the press to maybe convince them to listen
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ei8hty5ive
Too harsh? Heartless more like.

This woman has to live with what those little monsters did to her little boy for the rest of her life. I shudder even now every time I see the pictures of the CCTV footage with Venables holding onto the toddlers hand leading to him to his death...You should be ashamed of yourself ever thinking this let alone posting a thread about it. Sick.


I think this reference to the cctv footage is a good example of why your post is too harsh. If this is the reaction of someone totally unconnected to the case feels imagine being the mother of that child.

I dont actually understand why she would be publicity seeking either, what has she got to gain from any of this?
#36
I dont think she is publicity seeking i feel she is trying to get justice for her son the only way she can
banned#37
ei8hty5ive
If you pity a person for showing sympathy for someone who has lost a loved one in the most appalling way then that just proves my theory correct, you are heartless.


No no I made it perfectly clear i pity you for being unable to debate without emotional rubbish to try and belittle the person you are arguing with.

I'm not ashamed to have posted this, or thought it - its a topic of discussion, and in the main people have responded well. I do think, from the more sensible replies, that I have perhaps been too harsh, and some of the comments have made me think. However, I still do wish she would give it a rest and let things calm down a bit.
[helper]#38
I agree with the others it is a bit harsh - the family has every right to be upset about this as they are the ones who suffered most. BUT I fail to understand why the rest of the public is taking such a great interest in this, frankly its a bit distasteful....

And its not the newspapers fault - they love this because it SELLS newspapers. Blame the public that buys them.
#39
I vote too harsh, God only knows what that woman has been through and how it would affect you. I hope she and her children get the help they clearly need
banned#40
guv
To be honest. I've not even seen her on TV...... but can understand why she is angry and feels betrayed by the system.

EDIT: And I never buy a snoozepaper.


I guess the original point of this thread, is to describe the following feeling I got...

She doesn't seem to act "angry" or "upset".... thats why I commented on publicity 0 I have no answer as to why she would want it, I just don't really see what she wants to achieve.

I see now that maybe there is no rhyme or reason to how she is acting - shes obviously damaged, and more than that extremely let down by our justice system.

Hope this clarifies my original thoughts.

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