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I live quite close to the happenings of the Shannon Matthews case, I even used to work in Dewsbury. After having various feelings about the 2008 disappearance and blaming the obvious, I now have diffe… Read More
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2m, 1w agoPosted 2 months, 1 week ago
I live quite close to the happenings of the Shannon Matthews case, I even used to work in Dewsbury. After having various feelings about the 2008 disappearance and blaming the obvious, I now have different feelings about the events.

It seems (or was portrayed by the BBC) that Karen Matthews was slightly 'slow'.

As previously mentioned, I'm a little confused now as to what to think. There was always an understanding (rumour) that more was involved. What do you guys think?
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2m, 1w agoPosted 2 months, 1 week ago
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What's with the bickering? I'm enjoying reading the different viewpoints, but keep getting taken away from the discussion by fanpages and the seemingly pointless remarks.
If making fun of mental & other disabilities is what this thread &/or this site has become, then I'll gladly leave the subject for you to ridicule further.

Hypocrite? doesnt stop you making fun of someone based on their spelling or grammar.. I have said it before superiority complex
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I do know that there are better ways to describe the condition of somebody's mental health than your clumsy attempt.
BuzzDuraband
I'm extremely impressed with your response FP. It still doesn't deter from the fact you ran in with absolutely no idea of what you was talking about :) But, still, it gave you something to do what you do best. Carry on about pointless **** :)
Carry being rude & making derogatory remarks about others, & we'll see how far the thread progresses.

Why? You do it almost every time your name is present, FP. Why is this any different?
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What's with the bickering? I'm enjoying reading the different viewpoints, but keep getting taken away from the discussion by fanpages and the seemingly pointless remarks.
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"slow"?

She is as thick as ****

Edited By: YouDontWantToKnow on Feb 14, 2017 23:49
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I do know that there are better ways to describe the condition of somebody's mental health than your clumsy attempt.
BuzzDuraband
I'm extremely impressed with your response FP. It still doesn't deter from the fact you ran in with absolutely no idea of what you was talking about :) But, still, it gave you something to do what you do best. Carry on about pointless **** :)
Carry being rude & making derogatory remarks about others, & we'll see how far the thread progresses.

Qouted for the mistake (_;)

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They must have been extremely stupid at least to think they'd get away with it.
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They must have been extremely stupid at least to think they'd get away with it.

Yeah. I totally agree. But that wasn't really my question.
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BuzzDuraband
It seems (or was portrayed by the BBC) that Karen Matthews was slightly 'slow'.

...What do you guys think?...

I think you can probably find a better description than "slightly 'slow'".
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Rom
They must have been extremely stupid at least to think they'd get away with it.
Yeah. I totally agree. But that wasn't really my question.
Sorry I'm not super familiar with the case to guess what the more could be.
I belive a lot of the extended family get unfair stick about it though, must be tough.
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Definitely slow and mental health problems I never knew much about the case but quite enjoyed the show Iv since read up abit about it tonight. Her best friend the one who organised the rallying was in one of the papers today telling her side of how this person is slow wanted to get away from her boyfriend and took Shannon out of his way. It had nothing to do with claiming money but once encouraged by her other friends to report Shannon missing the lies had started and got too big. I'm not in any way condoning what happened but mentally ill people have to be treated differently. Just my opinion by the way.
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BuzzDuraband
It seems (or was portrayed by the BBC) that Karen Matthews was slightly 'slow'.
...What do you guys think?...
I think you can probably find a better description than "slightly 'slow'".

Feel free. It's a discussion.
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BuzzDuraband
It seems (or was portrayed by the BBC) that Karen Matthews was slightly 'slow'.

...What do you guys think?...
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I think you can probably find a better description than "slightly 'slow'".
BuzzDuraband
Feel free. It's a discussion.

I have not watched the BBC programme.
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"slow"?

She is as thick as ****

Edited By: YouDontWantToKnow on Feb 14, 2017 23:49
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You can't seperate the facts from fiction in any sort of TV ''drama''...
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BuzzDuraband
It seems (or was portrayed by the BBC) that Karen Matthews was slightly 'slow'.
...What do you guys think?...
fanpages
I think you can probably find a better description than "slightly 'slow'".
BuzzDuraband
Feel free. It's a discussion.
I have not watched the BBC programme.

So how would you know I could find a better description, How would you know it wasn't claimed?

Educate first, critisise later :)

Edited By: BuzzDuraband on Feb 14, 2017 23:51
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"slow"?
She is as thick as ****

I'd have to agree with you, unfortunately. I'm sure she was aware of what was happening, I'm just not sure she actually understood the implications of it.
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Have no idea what you are on about Buzz all the best <3
http://static.tumblr.com/kq0qb2z/onTm3noon/tumblr_m2jo4018ya1rsrdy3o1_1280.gif
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Have no idea what you are on about Buzz all the best <3http://static.tumblr.com/kq0qb2z/onTm3noon/tumblr_m2jo4018ya1rsrdy3o1_1280.gif

Please, allow me :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Shannon_Matthews

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08dxvc0

Obviously I appreciate you letting me know, and the gif :)
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Have no idea what you are on about Buzz all the best <3http://static.tumblr.com/kq0qb2z/onTm3noon/tumblr_m2jo4018ya1rsrdy3o1_1280.gif

Thanks for your input.
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Have no idea what you are on about Buzz all the best <3http://static.tumblr.com/kq0qb2z/onTm3noon/tumblr_m2jo4018ya1rsrdy3o1_1280.gif
Please, allow me :)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Shannon_Matthewshttp://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08dxvc0
Obviously I appreciate you letting me know, and the gif :)
Sorry if I came over insensitive :(
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BuzzDuraband
I'm just not sure she actually understood the implications of it.

I am pretty sure she knew where her daughter was & she was lying to the police & press for financial gain at the expense of her daughter.

I am also pretty sure she knew what her boyfriend was looking at on the PC in the front room ...."child porn".

She should have served 5 years minimum & if there ever was a case for sterilisation then she is the perfect example.
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BuzzDuraband
It seems (or was portrayed by the BBC) that Karen Matthews was slightly 'slow'.
...What do you guys think?...
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I think you can probably find a better description than "slightly 'slow'".
BuzzDuraband
Feel free. It's a discussion.
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I have not watched the BBC programme.
BuzzDuraband
So how would you know I could find a better description, How would you know it wasn't claimed?
Read first, critisise later :)

I do know that there are better ways to describe the condition of somebody's mental health than your clumsy attempt.
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Have no idea what you are on about Buzz all the best <3http://static.tumblr.com/kq0qb2z/onTm3noon/tumblr_m2jo4018ya1rsrdy3o1_1280.gif
Please, allow me :)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Shannon_Matthewshttp://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08dxvc0
Obviously I appreciate you letting me know, and the gif :)
Sorry if I came over insensitive :(

Not insensitive. Pointless :)
banned 3 Likes #20
Hey Buzz

You do realise Shannon didnt have the run of the house while "kidnapped".

She was tethered like an animal.
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Have no idea what you are on about Buzz all the best <3http://static.tumblr.com/kq0qb2z/onTm3noon/tumblr_m2jo4018ya1rsrdy3o1_1280.gif
Please, allow me :)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Shannon_Matthewshttp://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08dxvc0
Obviously I appreciate you letting me know, and the gif :)
Sorry if I came over insensitive :(
Not insensitive. Pointless :)
Just not paying attention buzz sorry
thought it was one of these video game thingies
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I can remember the police helicopter being very low for days on end and people who had ganja farms in their house getting worried as the door to door searches spread out from the moor, by the way it was filmed in Halifax. Dewsbury moor has had a load of money spent on it before and after the Mathews case. my grandma and grandad were one of the first to move onto moorside road when they were built, when people wanted to live there. claim to fame over.
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Hey Buzz
You do realise Shannon didnt have the run of the house while "kidnapped".
She was tethered like an animal.

Yes. Unfortuanately she was drugged and hidden inside a divan bed.

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I do know that there are better ways to describe the condition of somebody's mental health than your clumsy attempt.

I'm extremely impressed with your response FP. It still doesn't deter from the fact you ran in with absolutely no idea of what you was talking about :) But, still, it gave you something to do what you do best. Carry on about pointless **** :)

Edited By: BuzzDuraband on Feb 15, 2017 00:09
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Oh & the program seemed to suggest Julie Bushby may have been involved.
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Oh & the program seemed to suggest Julie Bushby may have been involved.

Oh. I didn't perceive that at all from either episodes. I just took a friend who seemed gullible but wanted to be that after all, a friend. I didn't gain anything that they seemed to imply she was involved.
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BuzzDuraband

Oh. I didn't perceive that at all from either episodes.

Watch it back again with the thought that Julie Bushby might be involved. There are several pointers to this by the producers.
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YouDontWantToKnow
Oh & the program seemed to suggest Julie Bushby may have been involved.


Definitely didn't get that out of the program. I think at the start they didn't really know each other didn't they meet in some parent group or something I'm sure I remember the program starting last week in a group of parents when they walked together on the way home she introduced her self as a new friend to the babysitter

Edited By: larrylightweight on Feb 15, 2017 00:22: S
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Oh. I didn't perceive that at all from either episodes.
Watch it back again with the thought that Julie Bushby might be involved. There are several pointers to this by the producers.

Although entitled, and I'm not saying that your opinion is wrong. I think you've read too much into that, or I've missed it. I'd like to see these pointers from the produces spelt out to me, though :)
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BuzzDuraband

Oh. I didn't perceive that at all from either episodes.
Watch it back again with the thought that Julie Bushby might be involved. There are several pointers to this by the producers.
Although entitled, and I'm not saying that your opinion is wrong. I think you've read too much into that, or I've missed it. I'd like to see these pointers from the produces spelt out to me, though :)

So as the police believe that the 2 perpetrators are too thick to devise the kidnapping who do you think was the 3rd man/woman. ?
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Oh. I didn't perceive that at all from either episodes.
Watch it back again with the thought that Julie Bushby might be involved. There are several pointers to this by the producers.
Although entitled, and I'm not saying that your opinion is wrong. I think you've read too much into that, or I've missed it. I'd like to see these pointers from the produces spelt out to me, though :)
So as the police believe that the 2 perpetrators are too thick to devise the kidnapping who do you think was the 3rd man/woman. ?

I'm not even sure there was a 3rd man/woman. I'd like to think there was, because I genuinley do feel (after wathing the programs) that Karen Matthews is not single handidly capable of such a task. That said, I have no idea and/or history of Michael Donovan to back up my thoughts.

It just seems a little crazy that such a task was quite easily executed from the police and the community of Dewsbury and Batley for 3 weeks by these two people, alone.
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Oh. I didn't perceive that at all from either episodes.
Watch it back again with the thought that Julie Bushby might be involved. There are several pointers to this by the producers.
Although entitled, and I'm not saying that your opinion is wrong. I think you've read too much into that, or I've missed it. I'd like to see these pointers from the produces spelt out to me, though :)

So as the police believe that the 2 perpetrators are too thick to devise the kidnapping who do you think was the 3rd man/woman. ?


2 perpetrators were believed to be mum and stepdad and the 3rd was the uncle. NO? That's what I thought they meant
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Oh. I didn't perceive that at all from either episodes.
Watch it back again with the thought that Julie Bushby might be involved. There are several pointers to this by the producers.
Although entitled, and I'm not saying that your opinion is wrong. I think you've read too much into that, or I've missed it. I'd like to see these pointers from the produces spelt out to me, though :)
So as the police believe that the 2 perpetrators are too thick to devise the kidnapping who do you think was the 3rd man/woman. ?
2 perpetrators were believed to be mum and stepdad and the 3rd was the uncle. NO? That's what I thought they meant

Apparently the stepdad had no involvement in the case. He was arreseted for his involvement for child pornography, but that was a seperate case.
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local paper, editors view at the time.

http://www.thepressnews.co.uk/ed-lines/ed-lines-154/
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Oh. I didn't perceive that at all from either episodes.
Watch it back again with the thought that Julie Bushby might be involved. There are several pointers to this by the producers.
Although entitled, and I'm not saying that your opinion is wrong. I think you've read too much into that, or I've missed it. I'd like to see these pointers from the produces spelt out to me, though :)
So as the police believe that the 2 perpetrators are too thick to devise the kidnapping who do you think was the 3rd man/woman. ?
2 perpetrators were believed to be mum and stepdad and the 3rd was the uncle. NO? That's what I thought they meant

Apparently the stepdad had no involvement in the case. He was arreseted for his involvement for child pornography, but that was a seperate case.


Yes I understand that but this was found out after but definitely would of been suspected and questioned at the time.
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I do know that there are better ways to describe the condition of somebody's mental health than your clumsy attempt.
BuzzDuraband
I'm extremely impressed with your response FP. It still doesn't deter from the fact you ran in with absolutely no idea of what you was talking about :) But, still, it gave you something to do what you do best. Carry on about pointless **** :)

Carry on being rude & making derogatory remarks about others, & we'll see how far the thread progresses.

Edited By: fanpages on Apr 06, 2017 10:08: Thanks MSB :)
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Oh. I didn't perceive that at all from either episodes.
Watch it back again with the thought that Julie Bushby might be involved. There are several pointers to this by the producers.
Although entitled, and I'm not saying that your opinion is wrong. I think you've read too much into that, or I've missed it. I'd like to see these pointers from the produces spelt out to me, though :)
So as the police believe that the 2 perpetrators are too thick to devise the kidnapping who do you think was the 3rd man/woman. ?
2 perpetrators were believed to be mum and stepdad and the 3rd was the uncle. NO? That's what I thought they meant
Apparently the stepdad had no involvement in the case. He was arreseted for his involvement for child pornography, but that was a seperate case.
Yes I understand that but this was found out after but definitely would of been suspected and questioned at the time.

Most definitely, and even though I knew the story, I actually turned to our lass and questioned why he was sat there playing computer games on the police's first visit.

It's hard to establish how hard the BBC attempted to make this story as true to life as possible, but if we're going to punish and sentence Karen Matthews on her parental failures, then I'd say that guy needs locking up ASAP for that instantaneous guilt.
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I do know that there are better ways to describe the condition of somebody's mental health than your clumsy attempt.
BuzzDuraband
I'm extremely impressed with your response FP. It still doesn't deter from the fact you ran in with absolutely no idea of what you was talking about :) But, still, it gave you something to do what you do best. Carry on about pointless **** :)
Carry being rude & making derogatory remarks about others, & we'll see how far the thread progresses.

Qouted for the mistake (_;)
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I do know that there are better ways to describe the condition of somebody's mental health than your clumsy attempt.
BuzzDuraband
I'm extremely impressed with your response FP. It still doesn't deter from the fact you ran in with absolutely no idea of what you was talking about :) But, still, it gave you something to do what you do best. Carry on about pointless **** :)
Carry being rude & making derogatory remarks about others, & we'll see how far the thread progresses.

Why? You do it almost every time your name is present, FP. Why is this any different?
banned 3 Likes #39
Seriously guys.

Watch the whole thing back with the thought that the Police believe there was a 3rd party.

The 2nd part especially.
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Qouted for the mistake (_;)

...and I didn't even start with Buzz's numerous typographical errors & spelling issues.

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