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jamesterror Avatar
8y, 6m agoPosted 8 years, 6 months ago
Looking to upgrade my Vostro 200 I bought in January.

I put a Sapphire Radeon X800 GTO2 in it I previously had when I purchased, but the Shader 2.0 isn't much use to the latest games such as GRID which needs 3.0.

My plans were to purchase this card;

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/134944

I currently have 2GB ram, but am also considering upgrading that to 4GB, however, I've read thart 4GB isn't always recognised by 32 Bit Windows, I presumed this included Vista Business.

My only problem is that the RAM will not be seen as the full 4GB and that, the PSU could possibly not power the graphics card. The card I currently have, has a memory clock speed of 490mhz, and 400mhz engine clock. If that means anything to anyone, it doesn't to me! However I know the 8800 card there has a clock speed of 600mhz, which could mean a new PSU maybe needed?

Any help will be appreciated much,
James
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8y, 6m agoPosted 8 years, 6 months ago
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James my man you are right vista 32bit will not use 4gb but it will at least see it now. Vista service pack 1 will show 4gb but the pc can only use about 3.2gb, its a limitation of 32bit software mine showed as 3.07gb before sp1 now shows as 4gb but is still only using 3.07gb

For the graphics card look at this one
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=698278
These are reference cards all the same specs but this one is 15 quid cheaper free delivery can be got too just check any scan post to see how to do this.

The power thing is a little tricker

Has your pc's got a 4pin PCI Express power adaptor if not and i suspect it does not
It needs more power than the PCI Express slot can provide but you can use Molex to PCI Express Graphics Card Power Cable to get round not having power connector this should come with the card

Dell power supplies are underrated i have 375w one running an 8800gt and three hard disk with no problems, think you need 300w-350w minimum to be sure though

Hope this helps ;-)
#2
Thank you :)

Right, if I don't make sense or waffle a bit I appologise!

Firstly, there is no difference between the cards then is what you mean? I don't get why this one is cheaper than others, brand name, etc?

Well, I think I have the latest service pack from Microsoft for Vista, I will have to check. Put I'd rather stick another 2x1GB matching sticks, than just a 1GB stick.


Now the power stuff, when I purchased my PC I put in my old card which needed power from the PSU, I had a 4-pin plug, which came with the graphics card, it went into the side of the graphics card (4 pin I believe), and then on the other end was the molex connector. I had to convert using a male Serial-ATA to molex converter I think it was, because thats what the connectors are in my PC, are not the orignial molex. The card runs sweet as a nut now.


Hope this helps, rep added.

Cheers
James
#3
Also, the 2x dvi is a plus because I run to LCD monitors, currently one on VGA and one on DVI where they could be both running DVI for better quality.
#4
Yeah cards are the same reference spec core clocked at 600mHz and the memory 1800mHz even coolers look reference. Asus are a far bigger brand but the one i posted comes with two years warranty and PNY are a well enough known brand in pc circles

Take a look at these you'll see what i mean

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Products.asp?CatID=15&Category=Graphics+Cards&ThumbNails=Yes&FilterKeywords=&FilterMinPrice=&FilterMaxPrice=&FilterCategories=512&OrderBy=3

P.S. didn't post the BFG one even though its slightly overclocked because its pre-order
Thanks for the rep btw
#5
1.What CPU have you got in you Vostro 200?If the cpu is weak, great graphic card will not help that much!
2.Are you sure that you need more than 2GB ram ?You re right assuming that your 32-bit system will not recognise the full 4GB, but may also address as little as 2.75GB (despite 4GB installed)
3.Dual Channel is not as effective as seems to be.I would prefer to get 1.5GB in single channel ram than 1GB in dual .New added memory may not work together with your older one.
4.8800gt are great and are getting cheaper but the model is often VERY loudly.I would not care about manufacturer as long as it comes with warranty, but cooling fan is important.
5.You will probably have to get new PSU if you go for 8800gt
6.How much did the system cost?Do you really want to invest so much in it.Maybe cheaper graphic card such as 7900gs will be more appropriate and still do the job?XFX 7900gs from ebuyer cost £39.99 and is probably twice as quick as your x800gto2 ( has PS3.0).
#6
7777777
1.What CPU have you got in you Vostro 200?If the cpu is weak, great graphic card will not help that much!

2.4 Core 2 Duo

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2.Are you sure that you need more than 2GB ram ?You re right assuming that your 32-bit system will not recognise the full 4GB, but may also address as little as 2.75GB (despite 4GB installed)

Did consider just getting another 1GB stick, its possible..

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3.Dual Channel is not as effective as seems to be.I would prefer to get 1.5GB in single channel ram than 1GB in dual .New added memory may not work together with your older one.

Hmm, what do you mean, brand wise, or the PC3200, etc?

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4.8800gt are great and are getting cheaper but the model is often VERY loudly.I would not care about manufacturer as long as it comes with warranty, but cooling fan is important.

Well, depends really how loud they are tbh, It doesn't bother me if its loud whilst in games, my pc is under my desk so I don't really hear this one. Although, as long the card is quite whilst PC is on at night idlying (downloading) or whatever, then I'm not overly fussed tbh.

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5.You will probably have to get new PSU if you go for 8800gt

Well my current card is 200mhz, and as previously mentioned, that the dell PSU's are underrated so could handle it.

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6.How much did the system cost?Do you really want to invest so much in it.Maybe cheaper graphic card such as 7900gs will be more appropriate and still do the job?XFX 7900gs from ebuyer cost £39.99 and is probably twice as quick as your x800gto2 ( has PS3.0).

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I think overall it came to about £340/£350 for;

22" TFT Dell Monitor,
2.4 Core 2 Duo
2GB RAM
500GB HDD

Are the basic specs I bought it for.
#7
elflembo
Yeah cards are the same reference spec core clocked at 600mHz and the memory 1800mHz even coolers look reference. Asus are a far bigger brand but the one i posted comes with two years warranty and PNY are a well enough known brand in pc circles

Take a look at these you'll see what i mean

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Products.asp?CatID=15&Category=Graphics+Cards&ThumbNails=Yes&FilterKeywords=&FilterMinPrice=&FilterMaxPrice=&FilterCategories=512&OrderBy=3

P.S. didn't post the BFG one even though its slightly overclocked because its pre-order
Thanks for the rep btw



Yeh I see what you mean, well I think as long as my system can handle it I'll be fine.

I planned to upgrade the RAM by 1 or 2 GB because I'm not very patient, and by 512mb I know that takes up a quarter of my RAM, and only leaves 3 quarters of it, and Vista is a bit of a bitch.
#8
1.that's ok.CPU and base still worth some investments ;)
2.maybe 2 x 512mb ?
3.Do not worry about Dual Channel :). SImply, the amount of available Ram is more important than anything else as long as you do not overclock on certain mobos.
4.how loudly ? I mean - really l.I have not got that card but I know that in many cases regulation of fan just does not work so ...100% at all the time :).You can always replace it or consider a card with non-nvidia fan such as THIS ONE
5.8800gt is much more power-hungry than x800 so I would never compare them + not every Dell must have exactly the same PSUs, am I right?Take into account that your PSU needs plenty of Ampers and it will use the same rail (+12V).
6.Answer in p.1 :).

POV 8800gt £107 (should be the same as BFG)
#9
The card I currently have, has a memory clock speed of 490mhz, and 400mhz engine clock. If that means anything to anyone, it doesn't to me! However I know the 8800 card there has a clock speed of 600mhz, which could mean a new PSU maybe needed?


Speeds can only be directly compared between two identical chips, between two different ranges you can't tell anything from clockspeeds.

32-bit OSs can apparently address just under 4GB - graphics card memory so if you go for a 512mb graphics card you'll probably see 3.4-3.5GB usable.
#10
EndlessWaves

32-bit OSs can apparently address just under 4GB - graphics card memory so if you go for a 512mb graphics card you'll probably see 3.4-3.5GB usable.


it really depends on circumstances ;) and often not 'just under 4gb' but 2.75gb as I have experienced this, even though I have 256mb graphic card.
Too much memory (more than system can address) may actually slow down your system.
#11
7777777
4.how loudly ? I mean - really l.I have not got that card but I know that in many cases regulation of fan just does not work so ...100% at all the time :).You can always replace it or consider a card with non-nvidia fan such as THIS ONE



I would of thought the GPU fan would only come into 100% usage when playing a quite heavy game. Well, I'm considering this; http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=698278 or the Asus card I linked in my first post.

On the RAM issue, well, I'm not 100% although I would like more RAM in my PC knowing I'm sticking another 256 worth of memory in.

I will try and hunt down the user guide for the Vostro 200 to see what the PSU watt is.
#12
The PSU has a 300 Watt DC Power Supply, would this be enough to run the 8800gt?
#13
jamesterror
The PSU has a 300 Watt DC Power Supply, would this be enough to run the 8800gt?


I do not think so.Check the label of the PSU, find a small number on it starting with EXXXXXXX (where x=any digit) to identify manufacturer and get full specification of 12V rail - I mean how much As is on 12V (or 12V1, 12V2...if more than one rail.) and max wattage on 12V.However , I would never consider to install 8800gt with 300W PSU unless I wanted to throw my base into the bin.

500W OCZ from ebuyer for £35 is a v.good offer
#14
I'm not 100%, nothing on the back of my PSU is where it says the Wattage.

Does it mean opening my PC up?

I looked on the Vostro Manual on the Dell site and saw that it was 300W, whether this is right or not I don't know.
#15
Just take the cover off and it will say on the side of the psu what wattage it is.

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