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i was sold a stolen Iphone 5S on ebay, i handed it to police but ebay is forcing me to send it back to seller

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I was sold a blacklisted stolen iphone 5s on ebay, i paid via Paypal and i believe the item is protected by ebay protection and paypal, Ebay is saying i should sent the phone back to seller in orde…
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2y, 10m agoPosted 2 years, 10 months ago
I was sold a blacklisted stolen iphone 5s on ebay, i paid via Paypal and i believe the item is protected by ebay protection and paypal,

Ebay is saying i should sent the phone back to seller in order for me to get the money back, i disagree with that as the seller will sell it to someone else and i don't want someone else to suffer.

Police disagree with Ebay and have asked me to hand the phone over to them which i did they will be investigating the case.

I have informed ebay that the phone is with police also provided them crime reference number, and police property log number.

however ebay doesn't seem to care and are insisting that i must sent the phone back.even though they have received CheckMend report as well which says clearly its a stolen phone.

police is saying they cant return the phone back (which i don't want them to)

Why it has become so difficult to do the right thing?
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2y, 10m agoPosted 2 years, 10 months ago
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Send them an empty box by recorded delivery.
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Send them a brick in a box.

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http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds/Buying-goods-that-do-not-belong-to-the-seller-UK-Law-/10000000004639785/g.html

Not sure when this was written but assume by your experience the information is still relevant. Paypal's policy for situations involving stolen goods is illegal but I don't know what the best way to pursue it is. Maybe request a written summary of the situation / law from the police and email it to Paypal saying that you expect a refund as retuning the item to the seller is against the law?
#2
Phone paypal.
#3
yeah go the whole hog with them saying what they are asking you to do is illegal and unless you are refunded you will tell the police that ebay are not interested in the law
5 Likes #4
Send them a brick in a box.
#5
It's true,but wrong that these massive company's seem to be above the law & don't need to abide by the law & actually openly tell buyers & sellers to break the law.
#6
You'll be better off with PayPal. Pretty sure it's illegal to send (and therefore return) stolen items via Courier anyhow, though I may be wrong on that one.
#7
dcx_badass
Remind eBay it's illegal to post stolen goods. But I'd not have given the phone away before I had my money back, that's common sense.
That's because you know ebay/paypal won't refund you & so are as good as telling you that you must break the law if you want a refund.
Is it illegal to encourage someone to commit a crime? AKA "solicitation" or "incitement." :-/
#8
Similar thing happened to me with counterfeit goods.

eBay refused to refund unless I returned the item.
1 Like #9
I bought Beats headphones from eBay and they turned out to be fake, I got a full refund and also a letter from American government telling me if I tried returning these goods I would be prosecuted for sending counterfeit goods into the USA haha
2 Likes #10
It's a crazy situation. PayPal and eBay are using their corporate powers illegally and leaving innocent buyers stranded. The whole of eBay is full of scammers and thieves and eBay and in particular PayPal is standing on the sidelines allowing (and in some ways encouraging) this to take place.

In the UK you are not allowed to post counterfeit or stolen items. So if you receive a stolen or counterfeit item you cannot send that back by law. However, PayPal will not refund you until you have sent the item back, even if you can prove that the item is stolen (e.g. crime reference number and a report that the police are in possession of the item as evidence).

You also have the scammers from China that send shoddy goods that fall apart when they arrive and almost always nowhere near as described, PayPal won't refund you but expect you to return the item by trackable means. The cost of doing this is usually more than the item itself. So you end up losing money because of eBay and PayPal's illegal policies.

I think both eBay and PayPal european operations are registered in Luxembourg so trying to get them to abide by English Law is impossible.

A class action must be pursued by buyers affected by eBay and PayPal and their policies of allowing thieves to steal from innocent buyers.
1 Like #11
and the moral of the story is... 1. ebay doesnt give a poop about its customers 2. don't buy 2nd hand mobiles without a warranty without knowing its risky. you could gave done an imei check before purchasing.
2 Likes #12
as horrible as it sounds, you should of sent it back....Ebay do this for one simple reason

Police give crime numbers out like candy, so if they accepted that as evidence there would be a whole new scam opening up, and it would require paypal to get in touch with police

which we all know will not be appreciated by the cops

ergo.... you should of just sent it back
2 Likes #13
Try contact paypal instead of ebay, just read an old post on their forums, about stolen item and return costs.(reply is from one of their admins)

"Typically, in the situation of stolen goods, an item is confiscated, and the need for return is not even a question. By filing the police report, there is a legal record of the claim of receipt of stolen goods, and generally no item to return after that point. With the appropriate verifiable documentation of the confiscation, the original transaction amount can be refunded. In a situation where the item is still in your possession and being returned, the return cost is not part of the original transaction."
#14
zooby
Phone paypal.

i did they transferred my cal to ebay :(
banned 9 Likes #15
Send them an empty box by recorded delivery.
#16
just spoke with police they said they will call ebay. lets see
#17
hound them when ovivo went down paypal tried to tell me to claim through my card with the bank bank sed they would try get my money back went home and opened full case it was only £20.00 but a lot of money to me,i let my bank argue it out with paypal 2 weeks later received my money as I had hounded them every day, the phone call is free through yr PAYPAL GOOD LUCK THOUGH COS THEY TRY TO TREAT the buyer like fools with all the jargon that they spill to you
banned 1 Like #18
Sell it to the police.
#19
all you should need for paypal is the crime reference number the police have given you. (the URN)
#20
athunder
Try contact paypal instead of ebay, just read an old post on their forums, about stolen item and return costs.(reply is from one of their admins)

"Typically, in the situation of stolen goods, an item is confiscated, and the need for return is not even a question. By filing the police report, there is a legal record of the claim of receipt of stolen goods, and generally no item to return after that point. With the appropriate verifiable documentation of the confiscation, the original transaction amount can be refunded. In a situation where the item is still in your possession and being returned, the return cost is not part of the original transaction."

except they are not abiding by this.
#21
humadoon
zooby
Phone paypal.

i did they transferred my cal to ebay :(

in your defense. my instinct would have been to hand in to police, along with the seller's contact info. next step... brick through their window next time your in their neighborhood? ;0 (yes i realise it's probably a spotty 14 year old who still lives with his mum, thinking he's a 'proper gangsta'.).

Out of interest, has ebay locked his/her account?
#22
fuhu78888
humadoon
zooby
Phone paypal.

i did they transferred my cal to ebay :(

in your defense. my instinct would have been to hand in to police, along with the seller's contact info. next step... brick through their window next time your in their neighborhood? ;0 (yes i realise it's probably a spotty 14 year old who still lives with his mum, thinking he's a 'proper gangsta'.).

Out of interest, has ebay locked his/her account?

I wish ebay had blocked his account, ebay doesn't seem to be bothered at all. on other hand i manage to trace sellers details his facebook account, linked in, pictures etc all reported to police..
#23
humadoon
fuhu78888
humadoon
zooby
Phone paypal.

i did they transferred my cal to ebay :(

in your defense. my instinct would have been to hand in to police, along with the seller's contact info. next step... brick through their window next time your in their neighborhood? ;0 (yes i realise it's probably a spotty 14 year old who still lives with his mum, thinking he's a 'proper gangsta'.).

Out of interest, has ebay locked his/her account?

I wish ebay had blocked his account, ebay doesn't seem to be bothered at all. on other hand i manage to trace sellers details his facebook account, linked in, pictures etc all reported to police..

wow, unbelievable. i've had an account suspended for much less - basically sharing a paypal account with my partner! they are a joke.

good sleuth work. if it was me, i'd have sent a linked in message to all his contacts letting them know he's dealing in stolen goods.

good luck getting your money back, i'm sure you will eventually. maybe write a little note to a local newspaper about it... (remember the guy who paid £400 for a picture of a PS4 just before Xmas got his money back, AFTER going to the press).

Edited By: fuhu78888 on May 14, 2014 16:54
2 Likes #24
eBay are a joke, this kind of issue is why I don't use them anymore. Sorry to hear the situation, they don't seem to understand or care about the legalities of what that are telling you to do. Ass clowns.
#25
fuhu78888
humadoon
fuhu78888
humadoon
zooby
Phone paypal.

i did they transferred my cal to ebay :(

in your defense. my instinct would have been to hand in to police, along with the seller's contact info. next step... brick through their window next time your in their neighborhood? ;0 (yes i realise it's probably a spotty 14 year old who still lives with his mum, thinking he's a 'proper gangsta'.).

Out of interest, has ebay locked his/her account?

I wish ebay had blocked his account, ebay doesn't seem to be bothered at all. on other hand i manage to trace sellers details his facebook account, linked in, pictures etc all reported to police..

wow, unbelievable. i've had an account suspended for much less - basically sharing a paypal account with my partner! they are a joke.

good sleuth work. if it was me, i'd have sent a linked in message to all his contacts letting them know he's dealing in stolen goods.

good luck getting your money back, i'm sure you will eventually. maybe write a little note to a local newspaper about it... (remember the guy who paid £400 for a picture of a PS4 just before Xmas got his money back, AFTER going to the press).

Thanks i won't depart from my hard earn money, i will fight .. thanks for the tips i will let police deal with him.
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fuhu78888
humadoon
fuhu78888
humadoon
zooby
Phone paypal.

i did they transferred my cal to ebay :(

in your defense. my instinct would have been to hand in to police, along with the seller's contact info. next step... brick through their window next time your in their neighborhood? ;0 (yes i realise it's probably a spotty 14 year old who still lives with his mum, thinking he's a 'proper gangsta'.).

Out of interest, has ebay locked his/her account?

I wish ebay had blocked his account, ebay doesn't seem to be bothered at all. on other hand i manage to trace sellers details his facebook account, linked in, pictures etc all reported to police..

wow, unbelievable. i've had an account suspended for much less - basically sharing a paypal account with my partner! they are a joke.

good sleuth work. if it was me, i'd have sent a linked in message to all his contacts letting them know he's dealing in stolen goods.

good luck getting your money back, i'm sure you will eventually. maybe write a little note to a local newspaper about it... (remember the guy who paid £400 for a picture of a PS4 just before Xmas got his money back, AFTER going to the press).

OP could contact local paper, would make a good story, "eBay scam victim told to break the law by....eBay!".
#27
Small claims court costs penny's & they will settle out of court due to bad publicity.
#28
Steve Mac
fuhu78888
humadoon
fuhu78888
humadoon
zooby
Phone paypal.

i did they transferred my cal to ebay :(

in your defense. my instinct would have been to hand in to police, along with the seller's contact info. next step... brick through their window next time your in their neighborhood? ;0 (yes i realise it's probably a spotty 14 year old who still lives with his mum, thinking he's a 'proper gangsta'.).

Out of interest, has ebay locked his/her account?

I wish ebay had blocked his account, ebay doesn't seem to be bothered at all. on other hand i manage to trace sellers details his facebook account, linked in, pictures etc all reported to police..

wow, unbelievable. i've had an account suspended for much less - basically sharing a paypal account with my partner! they are a joke.

good sleuth work. if it was me, i'd have sent a linked in message to all his contacts letting them know he's dealing in stolen goods.

good luck getting your money back, i'm sure you will eventually. maybe write a little note to a local newspaper about it... (remember the guy who paid £400 for a picture of a PS4 just before Xmas got his money back, AFTER going to the press).

OP could contact local paper, would make a good story, "eBay scam victim told to break the law by....eBay!".

EXACTLY.
#29
WheresMeNuts
Small claims court costs penny's & they will settle out of court due to bad publicity.

The claim would be against the seller though, not ebay i believe.
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fuhu78888
Steve Mac
fuhu78888
humadoon
fuhu78888
humadoon
zooby
Phone paypal.

i did they transferred my cal to ebay :(

in your defense. my instinct would have been to hand in to police, along with the seller's contact info. next step... brick through their window next time your in their neighborhood? ;0 (yes i realise it's probably a spotty 14 year old who still lives with his mum, thinking he's a 'proper gangsta'.).

Out of interest, has ebay locked his/her account?

I wish ebay had blocked his account, ebay doesn't seem to be bothered at all. on other hand i manage to trace sellers details his facebook account, linked in, pictures etc all reported to police..

wow, unbelievable. i've had an account suspended for much less - basically sharing a paypal account with my partner! they are a joke.

good sleuth work. if it was me, i'd have sent a linked in message to all his contacts letting them know he's dealing in stolen goods.

good luck getting your money back, i'm sure you will eventually. maybe write a little note to a local newspaper about it... (remember the guy who paid £400 for a picture of a PS4 just before Xmas got his money back, AFTER going to the press).

OP could contact local paper, would make a good story, "eBay scam victim told to break the law by....eBay!".

EXACTLY.

you will see my story in newspapers soon ;)
#31
Well done you did the right thing handing it over to the police :)
Those stupid phone thieving scums

Edited By: eloo on May 14, 2014 18:47
#32
Similar post here, might give you a few more answers;
http://www.hotukdeals.com/ask/iphone-5s-reported-stolen-1797630
#33
I bought a DVD box set on eBay which turned out to be counterfeit. The Buy it Now Price wasn’t so low that I was suspicious and his feedback was 100%. I asked for a full refund and for him to pay the return postage and he refused the latter. So I returned it and took the return potage cost as a loss.
He admitted via an eBay message that it was counterfeit and since he was selling a lot of DVDs I reported him to eBay. They didn’t impose any sanctions on him as far as I could tell even though he admitted to his crime on a message that they could read. They clearly don’t care.
1 Like #34
eBay & Paypal doesn't care about people selling fakes as long as they get commission from it
#35
humadoon
fuhu78888
Steve Mac
fuhu78888
humadoon
fuhu78888
humadoon
zooby
Phone paypal.

i did they transferred my cal to ebay :(

in your defense. my instinct would have been to hand in to police, along with the seller's contact info. next step... brick through their window next time your in their neighborhood? ;0 (yes i realise it's probably a spotty 14 year old who still lives with his mum, thinking he's a 'proper gangsta'.).

Out of interest, has ebay locked his/her account?

I wish ebay had blocked his account, ebay doesn't seem to be bothered at all. on other hand i manage to trace sellers details his facebook account, linked in, pictures etc all reported to police..

wow, unbelievable. i've had an account suspended for much less - basically sharing a paypal account with my partner! they are a joke.

good sleuth work. if it was me, i'd have sent a linked in message to all his contacts letting them know he's dealing in stolen goods.

good luck getting your money back, i'm sure you will eventually. maybe write a little note to a local newspaper about it... (remember the guy who paid £400 for a picture of a PS4 just before Xmas got his money back, AFTER going to the press).

OP could contact local paper, would make a good story, "eBay scam victim told to break the law by....eBay!".

EXACTLY.

you will see my story in newspapers soon ;)

Take them to the cleaners. At least Amazon make an effort despite dodging tax.
#36
Just like to come along and say

I have been using eBay & Paypal for 5+ years and never had a problem :)
#37
Trouble with PayPal they are judge and jury no appeal , i had proof of posting back to the seller with a item that was not as described , they said i sent it back to early got lost in post no refund , you are better off saying you never received it .
banned#38
you can always contact your bank issuer as explain the situation if paypal fails.
tell them that you where sold something which was 'not as described' and theyll open a case
youll have to fill in some form at least that way you get your money bank and have done the right thing by handing the phone over to the police.
banned#39
@kilo12kc

Your suggestion makes sense but I can imagine if the card issuer forced paypal to return the money that they would be petty enough to suspend your paypal account or something. Paypal is a valuable tool to have in todays society.
#40
hasj2
Just like to come along and say

I have been using eBay & Paypal for 5+ years and never had a problem :)

how many stolen items have you purchased?

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