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On Watchdog last night, they were blasting the networks for not allowing soldiers to suspend their contracts, and when they do, they either have to send proof via their letter or commanding officer. … Read More
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7y, 2w agoPosted 7 years, 2 weeks ago
On Watchdog last night, they were blasting the networks for not allowing soldiers to suspend their contracts, and when they do, they either have to send proof via their letter or commanding officer.

a) Why should a soldier get preferential treatment?
b) Without proof, anyone could be ringing up to suspend their contract.
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7y, 2w agoPosted 7 years, 2 weeks ago
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spammed

blatantly posting to incite hate mass arguement
#2
Agreed.

If they are concerned about being sent somewhere they can't use their phone, maybe Soldiers should consider Pay as you Go
#3
boothy
spammed

blatant posting to incite hate


Peodude has added his opinions to the OP and has not just cut and pasted a news article.

Did Watchdog only show the programme to incite hate?
[mod][Moderator]#4
You seriously expect our brave armed forces to pay for something when they are serving in areas where it is forbidden to use mobiles etc? Whether you agree with whether they should be in these areas or not, why should they be penalised for serving their country?
Shame on the mobile phone companies and on you for even posting this thread
#5
wishihadadonkey
You seriously expect our brave armed forces to pay for something when they are serving in areas where it is forbidden to use mobiles etc?


What about the other people who work abroad? OK the mobile is not banned, but with roaming charges so high, then most of them aren't going to be used. Should they get their contract suspended. Why treat one group differently than the other? OK, they are fighting in a war, but they are still signed up to a legally binding contract.
#6
pathetic beyond belief that this has thread even been created,disgraceful
[mod][Moderator]#7
peodude
What about the other people who work abroad? OK the mobile is not banned, but with roaming charges so high, then most of them aren't going to be used. Should they get their contract suspended. Why treat one group differently than the other? OK, they are fighting in a war, but they are still signed up to a legally binding contract.


They choose to work abroad, thats the difference and they are not banned from using their phone, they have personal choice, our troops are sent abroad, are banned from using it, so can't use it, end of story, close thread
#8
I agree with peodude, thought the exact same last night when i was watching watchdog. At the end of the day it's their job, they choose to do it and they choose to take out a contract phone. They should consider the implications when they sign up to both the army and the phone contract.
#9
wishihadadonkey
They choose to work abroad, thats the difference and they are not banned from using their phone, they have personal choice, our troops are sent abroad, are banned from using it, so can't use it, end of story, close thread


Exactly, so do those in the army 'choose to work aborad'. You know when you sign up that there is a damn good chance you are going to be working abroad at some point.
#10
are you not missing the point a little? Other people who work abroad are doing so through choice. The armed forces dont get to pick and choose where they go. ALSO name me another job role that has the same conditions for similar pay and similar purpose for the greater good :) HOWEVER, as a previous commanding officer, it isn't exactly the most tasking request to have to be asked to send a letter! Where is the issue that required an episode of Watchdog and a conversation on here????
Oh, just another point to think about.... google military covenant. You meet the same requirements and I would support your special treatment as well ;)
#11
What about their mortgages? Surely they should be allowed to not pay these while they aren't using their houses
#12
Don't see why soldiers should get special treatment. As already mentioned, if no proof was required anyone could phone up and pretend they're off to war to get out of their contract.
It's good that the mobile companies will suspend their contracts if they provide proof - what else do they want?
#13
i expect they get special treatment because they go and point their lives at risk to make sure you have an easy life and nothing more dangerous to do than go on this forum and post rubbish :)
#14
SOSAGES
i expect they get special treatment because they go and point their lives at risk to make sure you have an easy life and nothing more dangerous to do than go on this forum and post rubbish :)


Why though?
[mod][Moderator]#15
gimmeabargain
Exactly, so do those in the army 'choose to work aborad'. You know when you sign up that there is a damn good chance you are going to be working abroad at some point.


So, if you sign up to serve your country, you should put your life on hold, just in case you get posted abroad at some time? we should be grateful to our troops, grateful for the fact that people are still prepared to join our armed forces, imho we have the greatest armed forces in the world, they should be treated with respect and not penalised for serving their country.:x
#16
Orange are good, they say this

If you're travelling or working away for a long period of time and
don't need to use your phone for a while, we can temporarily suspend
your contract for up to 6 months for you, this means that after the
agreed suspension period, your contract will continue to run for the
remaining period it had left at the point of suspension.


They will suspend the contract for ANYONE. What i don't agree with, is the other companies only suspending soldiers contracts. It has to be fair across the board. Everyone signs up to the same Terms and Conditions.
1 Like #17
tango42
are you not missing the point a little? Other people who work abroad are doing so through choice. The armed forces dont get to pick and choose where they go.


It's the person's choice to join the army. I think you've missed the point .. people who sign up to the Army ACCEPT the fact they will have to go and fight abroad if told to, IT'S THEIR JOB.

Don't get me wrong I sympathise with soliders fighting in foreign fields in an unecessary war, but this whole "omg the soldiers r so brayv 4 fytin 4 us" is BS. When someone enlists to the Army, they do so knowing what they could potentially face.

Edit: and before anyone calls me out, I come from a family where (now) the 4th generation is entering the Armed Forces (my brother).

And, a sidenote, when he got put out on deployment he got his contract put on hold no problems. Phone companies dont mind, they get their money eventually.
#18
MILITARY COVENANT!!!
once again ;)
[mod][Moderator]#19
peodude
Orange are good, they say this



They will suspend the contract for ANYONE. What i don't agree with, is the other companies only suspending soldiers contracts. It has to be fair across the board. Everyone signs up to the same Terms and Conditions.


Slight difference if people CHOOSE to work aboad for added benefits/pay etc and as I said before they will still be able to use their phone if they so wish, troops can't, and even though we have a " former commanding officer " in this thread stating he wouldn't mind suppling every single person under his command with individual letters to provide to mobile companies, I'm sure the majority have got better things to do with their time
#20
tango42
MILITARY COVENANT!!!
once again ;)


The phrase "military covenant" refers to the contract that is supposed to exist between servicemen and women and the civilians on whose behalf they are willing to die.

[COLOR="Red"]It is an informal understanding, rather than a legally-enforceable deal,[/COLOR] but it is nevertheless treated with great seriousness within the services.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/mar/04/defence.military
#21
Kudos to Orange for making it much easier to sort out.

Why do people begrudge Soldiers any form of perks?, Do the same people begrudge medical professionals as they receive much more and better perks.
[mod][Moderator] 1 Like #22
MarkyB
It's the person's choice to join the army. I think you've missed the point .. people who sign up to the Army ACCEPT the fact they will have to go and fight abroad if told to, IT'S THEIR JOB.

Don't get me wrong I sympathise with soliders fighting in foreign fields in an unecessary war, but this whole "omg the soldiers r so brayv 4 fytin 4 us" is BS. When someone enlists to the Army, they do so knowing what they could potentially face.

Edit: and before anyone calls me out, I come from a family where (now) the 4th generation is entering the Armed Forces (my brother).

And, a sidenote, when he got put out on deployment he got his contract put on hold no problems. Phone companies dont mind, they get their money eventually.


Of course they know what they are signing up for, but they imo are courageous and should be respected and treated with dignity, for what they are prepared to give up for their country whether in times of conflict or not, and I'm speaking from the perspective of having close family members in all branches of our military,:thumbsup:
#23


finally, have a little deeper look around, possibly from the Royal British Legion maybe? You will find that it started out as an informal agreement (yes, never made legal) around Henry the VIII's time, this was then reinforced around the world wars. Also if you have a little understanding of common law, put the two together and TA DA :)
banned#24
gimmeabargain
Exactly, so do those in the army 'choose to work aborad'. You know when you sign up that there is a damn good chance you are going to be working abroad at some point.


That's like saying "the UK is always at war... goody, we get to kill someone".

Fortunately that isn't the case and neither is the suggestion they know they will be going abroad.

Not sure why you think that when someone doesn't have any choice in where their employer sends them, they should suffer. They shouldn't. If the mobile operator wont play ball, then the UK government should pay the bill.
#25
What happens to their TV License, Gas bills, electric bills, and al the other bills that they have to pay, should all those be suspended as well?
[mod][Moderator]#26
peodude
What happens to their TV License, Gas bills, electric bills, and al the other bills that they have to pay, should all those be suspended as well?


What on earth are you going on about? armed forces usually leave loved ones at home who live in their houses, or live on barracks.:?
#27
wishihadadonkey
What on earth are you going on about? armed forces usually leave loved ones at home who live in their houses, or live on barracks.:?


If you are going to apply that, then why can't one of the "loved ones" use the phone whilst they are away?
#28
guv
That's like saying "the UK is always at war... goody, we get to kill someone".

Fortunately that isn't the case and neither is the suggestion they know they will be going abroad.

Not sure why you think that when someone doesn't have any choice in where their employer sends them, they should suffer. They shouldn't. If the mobile operator wont play ball, then the UK government should pay the bill.



In peace times are our armed forces not stationed abroad? For example, Cypress, Belize, Germany..... my statement was nothing liek Britatin are always at war. Even in peace times they are stationed abroad.

EDIT: and you expect us, the tax payer, to pick up our armed forces mobile phone bills while they are abroad. You must love paying taxes!!!
#29
gimmeabargain
In peace times are our armed forces not stationed abroad, for example, Cypress, Belize, Germany..... my statement was nothing liek Britatin are always at war. Even in peace times they are stationed abroad.

EDIT: and you expect us, the tax payer, to pick up our armed forces mobile phone bills while they are abroad. You must love paying taxes!!!

Big difference between being stationed abroad and fighting in a war. They are not allowed to use their phones in a war zone for obvious security reasons. Not the case being stationed abroad.
#30
they shouldnt have taken out contracts. end of. couldnt they just get it transferred to their kids/wife/husband/friend?
#31
WonderWoman
Big difference between being stationed abroad and fighting in a war. They are not allowed to use their phones in a war zone for obvious security reasons. Not the case being stationed abroad.


As well as the security issue, they do it for propaganda reasons, in that the taliban were scanning for UK numbers and sending morale sapping texts to the squaddies.
#32
Let me get this straight, they get to cancel/suspend their contract because of their job?

Can i cancel/suspend a contract free of charge because I have a regular 9-5 office job. Nope. So can they? Nope.

Nobody forced them to join. This isn't the 1930's. Soldiers and their mammys need to stop whinging "Oh my boy is out fighting for our country, he desereves special treatment" Umm no he/she doesn't.
#33
DKLS
As well as the security issue, they do it for propaganda reasons, in that the taliban were scanning for UK numbers and sending morale sapping texts to the squaddies.

Yup, I know - some awful things have happened/been sent. I'm pretty sure that if some people knew half of what went on and some of the things that our military have to put up with they wouldn't even question any so called 'perks' that they get.
#34
MILITARY COVENANT!!!

The military get treated very, very well by private comanies, cheap tickets, cheap this, love it. Also in America free theme park tickets and priorty entrance in the "Heres to the hero'" scheme.

Tories FTW, who will double deployment bonus:viking:

If you don't like it or think it's chusy, get of your PC stuck bums and sign up, Army are still recruiting as they are loosing too many people though death and injury, go on I dare ya!
banned#35
guv
That's like saying "the UK is always at war... goody, we get to kill someone".

Fortunately that isn't the case and neither is the suggestion they know they will be going abroad.

Not sure why you think that when someone doesn't have any choice in where their employer sends them, they should suffer. They shouldn't. If the mobile operator wont play ball, then the UK government should pay the bill.


since most mobile phone contracts are about 18months long the contracts would have started after we engaged iraq and afghanistan.
banned#36
Why do people think suspend means cancel?

They are only suspending the contract till they get back right, I didn't watch the program btw.
#37
lumoruk
Why do people think suspend means cancel?

They are only suspending the contract till they get back right, I didn't watch the program btw.

Yup - thats right :thumbsup:
banned#38
lumoruk
Why do people think suspend means cancel?

They are only suspending the contract till they get back right, I didn't watch the program btw.


i think people are arguing that everyone should be able to suspend or no one should be able to
#39
bykergrove
i think people are arguing that everyone should be able to suspend or no one should be able to


Well they are allowed to, as when they are deployed serving Queen and country, companies in this country give leeway and concessions, that's the whole pact thing. Thye do a job most are too chicken to do, they are rewarded.

If you don't like it sign up, that's life:thumbsup:
banned#40
tinkerbell28
Well they are allowed to, as when they are deployed serving Queen and country, companies in this country give leway and concessions, that's the whole pact thing. Thye do a job most are to chicken to do, they are rewareded.

If you don't like it sign up, that's life:thumbsup:


I chose a different career path. so are you saying that killing or being killed is the only worthy job on the planet? why don't doctors get these perks?

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