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banned6y, 4w agoPosted 6 years, 4 weeks ago
At last....

Good on Ian Duncan Smith for working so hard on this. Hopefully it will put an end to the absurd situation we have at the moment where people lose money for going back to work.
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banned6y, 4w agoPosted 6 years, 4 weeks ago
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banned#1
Some people 10 years unemployed.

Explains pretty much everything about lazy gits.

inb4 the hate
1 Like #2
i've recently gone back to work, and i'm better off :) i really don't know how people can be worse off working
#3
I am in a Wetherspoons and cant hear it on screen so can someone give me a run down of things thus far.

What I heard yesterday was shocking though, it seemed they wanted to punish people for struggling on benefits so finding it hard to get a ok job by reducing benefits instead of finding a way to make pay better which is the more sensible solution.
#4
missp27
i've recently gone back to work, and i'm better off :) i really don't know how people can be worse off working


There are many reasons, in my last job I was better off working 12 hours than 20 hours, but even 12 hours work would mean I would earn exactly the same after tax as on benefits and to take it further even then it was because my rent inc heating and electric was £50 a week.

Since I hit 25 though its a bit easier due to working tax credits which I couldnt get under 25.
banned#5
ryouga
I am in a Wetherspoons and cant hear it on screen so can someone give me a run down of things thus far.

What I heard yesterday was shocking though, it seemed they wanted to punish people for struggling on benefits so finding it hard to get a ok job by reducing benefits instead of finding a way to make pay better which is the more sensible solution.

I know quite a few people on job seeker type benefits. All perfectly fit but none of them are 'struggling' as you put it. Two have just booked a two week holiday to egypt!

None have any intention of getting work. Two of them are in their thirties and have never worked more than the odd day or two here & there.

Edited By: csiman on Nov 11, 2010 09:27
banned#6
Why are people on benefits in weatherspoon pubs at 9 o'clock in the morning?

Why is anyone in a pub at that hour period!

Or have read this wrongly?
banned 1 Like #7
ryouga
I am in a Wetherspoons and cant hear it on screen so can someone give me a run down of things thus far.

What I heard yesterday was shocking though, it seemed they wanted to punish people for struggling on benefits so finding it hard to get a ok job by reducing benefits instead of finding a way to make pay better which is the more sensible solution.


Do you know how you make your pay better? You offer more to a potential employer. You improve your skills. You work harder and you work longer.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11728546
#8
guv
Why are people on benefits in weatherspoon pubs at 9 o'clock in the morning?

Why is anyone in a pub at that hour period!

Or have read this wrongly?


cheap crap breakfasts,sugary orange juice and free internet...although ryouga is supposed to be on his famous diet
banned#9
guv
Why are people on benefits in weatherspoon pubs at 9 o'clock in the morning?

Why is anyone in a pub at that hour period!

Or have read this wrongly?


They do decent coffee and have free wi-fi.
#10
This is going to be a good thread!
banned#11
FilthAndFurry
guv
Why are people on benefits in weatherspoon pubs at 9 o'clock in the morning?

Why is anyone in a pub at that hour period!

Or have read this wrongly?


They do decent coffee and have free wi-fi.


I'll take your word for it. Id not step foot in the one nearest to me as it seems to be full of low lifes and not somewhere id ever go even if you paid me. (I don't drink coffee either!)
#12
guv
Why are people on benefits in weatherspoon pubs at 9 o'clock in the morning?

Why is anyone in a pub at that hour period!

Or have read this wrongly?


Not that I have to justify myself but I was in a 25p travelodge room last night and woke up early and went to to Wetherspoons around corner for 99p coffee and breakfast roll.
#13
ryouga
guv
Why are people on benefits in weatherspoon pubs at 9 o'clock in the morning?Why is anyone in a pub at that hour period!Or have read this wrongly?
Not that I have to justify myself but I was in a 25p travelodge room last night and woke up early and went to to Wetherspoons around corner for 99p coffee and breakfast roll.

i don't think you have to justify yourself, there are too many people on here who quickly jump on the smallest thing!
#14
There's going to be a backlash and plenty of pain, but it does need to be done to break the cycle of benefits where multiple generations of the same family have never done a days work in their lives.

Wanders off to see if I can buy shares in companies that make anti riot equipment and tear gas.......
banned#15
Interesting plan by the Government. I read earlier on how the unemployed may be deployed to Local Authorities and assist with tasks such as rubbish cleaning. Seems to me to be a way of making refuse collectors redundant and replacing them with a resource and wage so much lower than the minimum wage permits.


Edited By: aScottishBloke on Nov 11, 2010 09:52
#16
FilthAndFurry
ryouga
I am in a Wetherspoons and cant hear it on screen so can someone give me a run down of things thus far.

What I heard yesterday was shocking though, it seemed they wanted to punish people for struggling on benefits so finding it hard to get a ok job by reducing benefits instead of finding a way to make pay better which is the more sensible solution.


Do you know how you make your pay better? You offer more to a potential employer. You improve your skills. You work harder and you work longer.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11728546


I actually have good skills, in fact every employer I have worked in bar the 1st proper job I had at 18 has begged me to stay as I am hard working to the point I get things sorted out, even if that means waiting 30 minutes after shift is over even an hour unpaid as my roles have been customer service based or call centre and I get told I go above and beyond etc.

The issue these days is that jobs that do come up are often terrible amount of hours i.e 10 hours, then you have to factor transport costs and time into it and as jobs are hard to get hold of due to huge amount of applicants if you were lucky to get that one job its unlikely you will get a second.

I dont mind doing volunteer work like mentoring, or fundraising to help the needy but who honestly would work full time for under the minimum wage with no guaranteed job at the end, even the jobcentre staff themselves warn me about employers taking advantage with work trials.
#17
ryouga
FilthAndFurry
ryouga
I am in a Wetherspoons and cant hear it on screen so can someone give me a run down of things thus far.What I heard yesterday was shocking though, it seemed they wanted to punish people for struggling on benefits so finding it hard to get a ok job by reducing benefits instead of finding a way to make pay better which is the more sensible solution.
Do you know how you make your pay better? You offer more to a potential employer. You improve your skills. You work harder and you work longer.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11728546
I actually have good skills, in fact every employer I have worked in bar the 1st proper job I had at 18 has begged me to stay as I am hard working to the point I get things sorted out, even if that means waiting 30 minutes after shift is over even an hour unpaid as my roles have been customer service based or call centre and I get told I go above and beyond etc.The issue these days is that jobs that do come up are often terrible amount of hours i.e 10 hours, then you have to factor transport costs and time into it and as jobs are hard to get hold of due to huge amount of applicants if you were lucky to get that one job its unlikely you will get a second.I dont mind doing volunteer work like mentoring, or fundraising to help the needy but who honestly would work full time for under the minimum wage with no guaranteed job at the end, even the jobcentre staff themselves warn me about employers taking advantage with work trials.

i work in customer service and it's expected you stay to resolve issues, finish call queues after your shift is finished, but not unpaid.
banned#18
ryouga


The issue these days is that jobs that do come up are often terrible amount of hours i.e 10 hours, then you have to factor transport costs and time into it and as jobs are hard to get hold of due to huge amount of applicants if you were lucky to get that one job its unlikely you will get a second.

I dont mind doing volunteer work like mentoring, or fundraising to help the needy but who honestly would work full time for under the minimum wage with no guaranteed job at the end, even the jobcentre staff themselves warn me about employers taking advantage with work trials.


But that's what happens in any career - you start off at the bottom and work your way up.

No employer will EVER turn away a worker who offers more than another potential employee. It sucks at the start, but you have to look to the future.
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Randa1
ryouga
FilthAndFurry
ryouga
I am in a Wetherspoons and cant hear it on screen so can someone give me a run down of things thus far.What I heard yesterday was shocking though, it seemed they wanted to punish people for struggling on benefits so finding it hard to get a ok job by reducing benefits instead of finding a way to make pay better which is the more sensible solution.
Do you know how you make your pay better? You offer more to a potential employer. You improve your skills. You work harder and you work longer.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11728546
I actually have good skills, in fact every employer I have worked in bar the 1st proper job I had at 18 has begged me to stay as I am hard working to the point I get things sorted out, even if that means waiting 30 minutes after shift is over even an hour unpaid as my roles have been customer service based or call centre and I get told I go above and beyond etc.The issue these days is that jobs that do come up are often terrible amount of hours i.e 10 hours, then you have to factor transport costs and time into it and as jobs are hard to get hold of due to huge amount of applicants if you were lucky to get that one job its unlikely you will get a second.I dont mind doing volunteer work like mentoring, or fundraising to help the needy but who honestly would work full time for under the minimum wage with no guaranteed job at the end, even the jobcentre staff themselves warn me about employers taking advantage with work trials.


i work in customer service and it's expected you stay to resolve issues, finish call queues after your shift is finished, but not unpaid.


It may be expected but in my experience most people would disconnect from the network a few minutes before end of shift despite official rules saying no more than 30 seconds before, I remember doing it 1 minute 5 seconds before end before and getting told off next day.

If I got a phone call 30 seconds before end of shift I took it, even though it meant missing last bus home and having to walk 45 minutes to a hour in pouring rain which happened quite often at that time of year instead of leaving on time and getting last bus.

I remember spending 45 minutes with a customer on the phone who was verbally abusive giving death threats and all that and calming him down, despite having to deal with calls in under 2 minutes and in the end the guy apologised and said he was just recently out of serious surgery and in a lot of pain and was glad I dealt with things calmly and my boss next day said I was great for doing something like that, another time someone had lost £10 in a vending machine and was angry but I calmed them down and was so polite that a hour later they rang back to speak to me and wouldnt deal with anyone else and was really friendly and said they originally phoned another advisor who put phone down on them and I was a welcome surprise!
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FilthAndFurry
ryouga


The issue these days is that jobs that do come up are often terrible amount of hours i.e 10 hours, then you have to factor transport costs and time into it and as jobs are hard to get hold of due to huge amount of applicants if you were lucky to get that one job its unlikely you will get a second.

I dont mind doing volunteer work like mentoring, or fundraising to help the needy but who honestly would work full time for under the minimum wage with no guaranteed job at the end, even the jobcentre staff themselves warn me about employers taking advantage with work trials.


But that's what happens in any career - you start off at the bottom and work your way up.

No employer will EVER turn away a worker who offers more than another potential employee. It sucks at the start, but you have to look to the future.


Exactly, when I did the staff reviews this year, guess who the got the 5k payrise? the chap who sat there shrugging his shoulders and hadnt done a thing to improve his skillset, or improve procedures, generate additional income etc or the chap who had undertaken a training course in his own time and at his own expense to improve his skillset, when he mentioned that I could bill him out at £300 a day instead of £200, it was very easy to justify his payrise.
#21
FilthAndFurry
ryouga


The issue these days is that jobs that do come up are often terrible amount of hours i.e 10 hours, then you have to factor transport costs and time into it and as jobs are hard to get hold of due to huge amount of applicants if you were lucky to get that one job its unlikely you will get a second.

I dont mind doing volunteer work like mentoring, or fundraising to help the needy but who honestly would work full time for under the minimum wage with no guaranteed job at the end, even the jobcentre staff themselves warn me about employers taking advantage with work trials.


But that's what happens in any career - you start off at the bottom and work your way up.

No employer will EVER turn away a worker who offers more than another potential employee. It sucks at the start, but you have to look to the future.


I personally have no problems scrubbing toilets as such, or stacking shelves for bad pay as long as it makes sense, I dont want to throw up seeing mess all over a wall in toilet, or getting treated like I am the scum of the earth by a boss despite me working hard for money so bad that I am working long hours to live off Tesco value food with little prospects of improvement.

I would even get a Mcjob than do nothing.
#22
If they want to make it fairer for working.

either minimum wage will have to increase considerably OR JSA will have to reduce considerably
All children should have free school meals OR no free school meals to anyone
Some %part of JSA/IS should be paid in food vouchers ( or onto a debit card that can only be used for food) (to stop parents wasting money on lottery,booze,fags,drugs,games,dvds etc)
No more free concessions on leisure facilites for unemployed OR free concessions for everyone

(i was unemployed for 3 years and can definatley state I was better off then than working now-only I choose to work now!)
1 Like #23
aScottishBloke
Interesting plan by the Government. I read earlier on how the unemployed may be deployed to Local Authorities and assist with tasks such as rubbish cleaning. Seems to me to be a way of making refuse collectors redundant and replacing them with a resource and wage so much lower than the minimum wage permits.


for once i agree!
Why get loads of jsa's working temp for no money at all, when they could actually employ someone to do those jobs and get them permanently out of work. i wonder what that reason would be???

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