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What Chip can i upgrade to?

taffytim205 Avatar
7y, 9m agoPosted 7 years, 9 months ago
Hi

Im a bit rubbish with computers, but I have the following motherboard:
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&docname=c00864922

I currently have a 1.6Ghz Intel 2140 chip and Im trying to work out how good a processor my board will cope with!!

Am I right in thinking that it will cope with all LGA775 socket chips, or will the bus (whatever that is) have to be 800 and no more??

Ive found this chip on ebay will this work for me or is there a better one out there that I can go for?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/INTEL-CORE-2-DUO-E4600-2-4-GHZ-PROCESSOR-SOCKET-LGA775_W0QQitemZ290302125857QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Motherboards_CPUs?hash=item290302125857&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

Thanks
Tim
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7y, 9m agoPosted 7 years, 9 months ago
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#1
dcx_badass
You can't usea core 2 duo, but you can get a Pentium D dual core, a 945 or 950 is a 3.4ghz dual core and are around £60 on ebay.


This will run super hot though, You will need to change the heatsink, look on ebay for a P4 HT 3.4GHz 650, that will be around 20-35 pounds, get one with the heatsink and that will last you well for a while.
#2
i recommend a mccain oven chip
#3
mcfallg
i recommend a mccain oven chip


Nice idea McFallG, but I highly recommend that if he was to do this that he run his computer at approx 230° for 20-25 mins (reducing the time and temperature accordingly if using a fan assisted device)
#4
Thats really good, thanks people.

Looking at the Pentium D, its a 64 bit processor, and my old chip is a 32 bit processor, my vista is a 32 bit set up will the chip be ok with this? Will Vista alter itself to a 64bit setup or will i have to upgrade this?

Thanks
Tim
#5
ps

Lol @ McG and Rambo :D
#6
According to HP, it won't cope with anything more advanced than a Pentium D with a Presler core, but then, that's clearly boIIocks, since you're already running an E2140 with the Allendale core, which is a good deal more advanced than the Presler. The chipset itself, http://ati.amd.com/products/radeonxpress1100dskintel/specs.html , is happy to run Core2Duo chips, so that E4600 should work, but me, I'd rather go with the cheaper option, which is one of these : http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143203. It's from the same family of chips as the E4600 and the E2140 you currently have (they're all just Allendale chips at different speeds, and the E2xxx series has half the cache disabled), and it will work fine, and save you £80.
#7
I would agree Pentium D chips run super hot, Core 2 Duo and Pentium Dual Core, especially the new E5200 series run much cooler.

Just find out socket you have, usually the easiest way, then go from there i.e. I have a socket LGA775 mobo
#8
dxx
According to HP, it won't cope with anything more advanced than a Pentium D with a Presler core, but then, that's clearly boIIocks, since you're already running an E2140 with the Allendale core, which is a good deal more advanced than the Presler. The chipset itself, http://ati.amd.com/products/radeonxpress1100dskintel/specs.html , is happy to run Core2Duo chips, so that E4600 should work, but me, I'd rather go with the cheaper option, which is one of these : http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143203. It's from the same family of chips as the E4600 and the E2140 you currently have (they're all just Allendale chips at different speeds, and the E2xxx series has half the cache disabled), and it will work fine, and save you £80.



So the E2220 you recomend is a 2.4 Ghz chip while the P4 945 dcx_badass recommended is a 3.4Ghz chip. As the E2220 is a newer model I presume it will be more advanced than the P4, but wont there still be a be a big difference in performance?
If I went for the E2220 would i need a new fan/heatsink?
#9
Definately don't go down the Pentium D route - all things considered your current chip is better than any Pentium D. Pentium D runs at less than 50% clock-for-clock of Core 2 Duo in many tasks and at least 25% slower across the board - a C2D at 1.6GHz can outperform a Pentium4D at 3.2GHz whilst consuming far less energy, requiring smaller heatsink and much simpler voltage-reg on the motherboard.

Also - I think the E2140 is a 64-bit chip isn't it? 64-bit chips are fully compatable with 32-bit OSes and software anyway, it just gives you the option of using a 64-bit OS (and supported over 3GB of ram...) should you want to...

Before you upgrade though - why do you want to? What sort of improvement are you after - it might be better to upgrade other things first, or consider a new setup altogether...
#10
taffytim205
So the E2220 you recomend is a 2.4 Ghz chip while the P4 945 dcx_badass recommended is a 3.4Ghz chip. As the E2220 is a newer model I presume it will be more advanced than the P4, but wont there still be a be a big difference in performance?
If I went for the E2220 would i need a new fan/heatsink?


For a very rough comparison between the 945 and the E2220, have a look at http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2008-q1-2008/3DMark06-CPU,Marque_fbrandx14,370.html . Neither the 945 nor the E2200 are listed, but the chart does list the 960, which runs slightly faster than the 945, at 3.6GHz compared to 3.4GHz, and the E2160 and E4300 (both basically the same CPU, except the E2xxx has half the cache), which runs at 1.8GHz. As you can see, the performance between the three chips is pretty much identical.

It's the same story for the Pinnacle test and the UT2004 test, too. Probably others, but those are the three that I thought would give a fairly decent mix of tasks. 1.8GHz version of the E2xxx matches 3.6GHz version of the P4.

Reason for it is, the E series is just a much more efficient core. The whole point of the P4 series was that Intel wanted to hammer AMD in the MHz war, so they developed a processor architecture that was designed to scale to super-high clockspeeds at the expense of efficiency. They originally mooted speeds up to and around the 10GHz mark. Ultimately though, they ran into problems getting the chip above 3GHz, and for mobile use, the P4 was just a nightmare. The last major line of P4 chips, the Prescott chips, they were a disaster for growing too hot and consuming obscene amounts of power. It all had to change. So Intel set about making what became that E series. And that's why your 1.8GHz E chip can match the performance of a chip running at 3.6GHz. The 2.5GHz E2200, it'll obliterate any P4 at pretty much everything.
#11
dxx;4843647
Reason for it is, the E series is just a much more efficient core. The whole point of the P4 series was that Intel wanted to hammer AMD in the MHz war, so they developed a processor architecture that was designed to scale to super-high clockspeeds at the expense of efficiency. They originally mooted speeds up to and around the 10GHz mark. Ultimately though, they ran into problems getting the chip above 3GHz, and for mobile use, the P4 was just a nightmare. The last major line of P4 chips, the Prescott chips, they were a disaster for growing too hot and consuming obscene amounts of power. It all had to change. So Intel set about making what became that E series. And that's why your 1.8GHz E chip can match the performance of a chip running at 3.6GHz. The 2.5GHz E2200, it'll obliterate any P4 at pretty much everything.


Thats completely true, and the marketing Intel did back in the P4 era to implant the idea that clock-speed is everything (make a really naff chip with high-clock speed so the sales-people have the biggest number to push) kind of hurts them these days, when they actually have a really good chip-architecture!

As said above, you really should consider what improvement you are looking for - and how you use your computer - to work out where the money is best spent. The E2220 chip is probably the 'best' upgrade you can do with your mobo, and its a ~£60 spend for a 50% boost in clock-speed. Depending on what you are after, upgrading the memory, harddrive and/or graphics might yield a similar or better boost at a similar outlay :thumbsup:
#12
Yeah the E2220 is sounding the best option from reading what you say. Im maxed out on 2Gb of memory already, Ive got 100's of Gbs of HD space left ,my graphics card isnt great but its recently been upgraded and £60 is what I was roughly expecting to spend.

Thanks for all your help guys. It really has been interesting (not that anyone Ive spoken to today would agree!!)

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