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Swanny MX Avatar
8y, 8m agoPosted 8 years, 8 months ago
Mate of mine told me to google December 12th 2012 so I did and found this
http://www.viewzone.com/endtime.html

What do you lot reckon? Is it a load of rubbish is it something we should be worried about???
Swanny MX Avatar
8y, 8m agoPosted 8 years, 8 months ago
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#1
hyperbole, anyone?!
#2
fingers crossed its true.
#3
If anyone truly believes it, would you be willing to sign a legal document that would entitle me to take ownership of all your worldly possesions and monies that you own, from the 22nd December 2012 onwards? Ta. ;-)
#4
ummm the mayans were so advanced they foretold the end of the world and left it for the white man to decipher, the same white man that destroyed their entire civilisation with guns, small pox and syphallis then enslaved their children and women.
hey elvis, pass me that can of newcastle broon ale wil ya
#5
I don't think we will really know until closer to the date, but it's interesting reading all this Mayan prophecy malarky. I got into it a few years ago when the Daily Mail (so it must be true!) ran a series on it.

These days it seems everyone has a conspiracy theory or a prophecy warning of impending doom.
#6
Had a look at the link and already I feel better....OP states 12 dec 2012, and the link shows it all ends on 21dec 2012.
Whoopee, we've got 9 days more than we first thought after first reading this post :-D
#7
I was confused by the 3rd paragraph, will someone just remind me the day before lol
#8
I know this prediction is for the end of December 2012, so I'm going to make a note of it, so that in January 2013 you can see that the prophecy is false. The earth will not be destroyed any time in our life time. There is at least (possible more) a 1,000 years before the earth ceases to be. "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up ... Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat" (2 Peter 3:10, 12). Yes, before some of you mock this because it is in the Bible, ask yourselves why people are quick to believe pagan riddles instead of simple words in plain language. The accusation levelled against Bible prophecy is that some people have predicted the date of the end of the world. In all walks of life there are those who sensationalise everything. Such people are doing exactly opposite than Scripture states. "Ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh" (Matthew 25:13).
I realise many are not going to accept the information revealed in the Holy Bible, so I suppose they will have to wait to see which version of doomsday comes about.
Here endeth the Bible lesson :)
#9
I have problems with various bits of the bible, especially as the document we read is largely a collection of second and third hand texts which have been written, edited and reedited, often in line with the editors or writers personal views at the time or, even worse, to support contemporary political views .

Apparently if my son turns out to be a wastrel, I am supposed to stone him. I actually think that's a bit harsh, or am I just being unchristian?.

I believe I am also supposed to join in stoning women who are in public during their "unclean" time of the month., which also goes against my unchristian beliefs.

Should a male cow (OK, Bull) which insists on mounting another bull, be considered immoral?

Oh, and I suppose accepting everything that is in the bible would have to include the concept that the Earth is fixed in space and that the Sun moves. Maybe even that the Earth is flat.
#10
Predikuesi
I know this prediction is for the...which version of doomsday comes about.
Here endeth the Bible lesson :)


Can i ask you a quick question, and i do not intend this to ofend!

I assume you believe there is a god, can i ask why?
#11
Very entertaining. The best Science Fiction is that which is put forward as being 'The Truth' e.g. Orson Welles and The War Of The Worlds. It's a shame though that it can go too far sometimes so that people start living their lives based upon fictional writings.

I particularly like "The date, December 21, 2012, is a special day. It represents the maximum possible influences for solar flares that the universe can provide." I would have thought that the Sun running out of Hydrogen and going supernova will have a bigger influence on solar flares. Or maybe the Milky Way galaxy colliding with the Andromeda galaxy. Both of these events will happen but we have a few billion years to prepare for them.
#12
Its quite scary to think in many many more years, 1000+ yrs that although we will all be dead, this planet we live on will be no more.
#13
the end of the world aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh!http://www.salagram.net/end1.jpg
#14
Fluffykins;1691260
Oh, and I suppose accepting everything that is in the bible would have to include the concept that the Earth is fixed in space and that the Sun moves. Maybe even that the Earth is flat.


Could you tell me where the Bible says this? In fact it says the exact opposite. The Scriptures speak of the earth being round and that it circles the sun. It took science centuries to catch put with the Bible.

In reply to your other question, I see that you have misunderstood much of what you think you know. I have studies the Bible for over 35 years, after leaving the Roman Catholic Church, and have found that misunderstandings arise in our minds simply because we do not read the text in context. A text out of context is a pretext.

My original statement was not to offend, but to show that there are alternatives to pagan teachings about the universe and all it contains. If you reject it, that is ok.
#15
I think its alot of BS. So many times that people have predicted the world will end and it hasn't. If you notice all the Mayan calendar related websites then you will see they are trying to flog books and whatnot, there is your answer. oh and I found out about 212012 because of Assassin's Creed LOL
#16
REDRANGER86;1691265
Can i ask you a quick question, and i do not intend this to ofend!

I assume you believe there is a god, can i ask why?


No offence taken if it is not meant.

The burden of proof is not mine but yours. You have to prove to me that God does not exist. In doing so you must have absolute knowledge about everything in every place in this universe and beyond. I don't think you would be as daft to suggest you have such knowledge. You can really only say, "To the best of my knowledge, research and belief, God does not exist." But suppose He does exist a outside of your personal knowledge? I admit that I cannot prove that God exists, but neither can any one prove He does not. Just saying He does not does not count as a valid argument. Nevertheless, in my own life I have had far too many experiences that suggest that He does exist. For instance; I was lost in Albania a few years back. I could not speak a word of Albanian (and only a little now). I prayed to God and asked Him for help. I felt inpressed to speak to a policeman. When I spoke to him I realised that he did not speak or understand English. At that moment I found myself understanding his Albanian. He asked me where I wanted to go and who I was staying with. I showed him an letter with a contacts name on it. What was surprising, is not only was I understanding what he said, but that he told me that the person I was tring to find was his cousin who lived 150 miles away. By the way, the contact and the policeman were Muslims! Everyone I met found it difficult to believe this took place, but the following year I took my wife to Albania, and in a completely different town, I met the policeman who confirmed what had happened, and that he was indeed the cousin of my contact. I could tell you many such stories.
#17
Predikuesi
Could you tell me where the Bible says this? In fact it says the exact opposite. The Scriptures speak of the earth being round and that it circles the sun. It took science centuries to catch put with the Bible.


That's an interesting point because the Inquisition used various methods against Galileo Galilei because he put forward the Heliocentric view of the solar system, i.e. the Earth orbiting the Sun. In the end after repeated threats and being placed under house arrest he did recant because he feared fo his 'eternal soul'. On what authority did the Inquisition force him into that position if it wasn't the bible, it certainly says in the literature that I've read that the bible was the source of their claims?

Science was held back by the church for enturies through their use of the bible as ultimate authority on all matters.
#18
Predikuesi
The burden of proof is not mine but yours. You have to prove to me that God does not exist. In doing so you must have absolute knowledge about everything in every place in this universe and beyond. I don't think you would be as daft to suggest you have such knowledge. You can really only say, "To the best of my knowledge, research and belief, God does not exist." But suppose He does exist a outside of your personal knowledge? I admit that I cannot prove that God exists, but neither can any one prove He does not. Just saying He does not does not count as a valid argument.


So following that logic, doesn't that mean that all Gods from all religions exist? :thinking:

(Not trying to be disrespectful, I'm just interested in what you said - no need to answer if you'd rather not. :))
#19
;-)

I seem to have lived through several 'end of days' - my father can remember a time (1940's) when somebody burst into a pub waving something about the apocalypse. As he recalls everybody calmly finished their respective drinks, with only a glance at various watches.

Those horsemen, they sure take a while to saddle up.
#20
Oh noes, I see militant atheists everywhere capt'n. Battle stations!
#21
Not another religious debate/debacle in my mind religion is used as an emotional crutch by people that are too weak to live their own lives their own way, they base their decisions and carry most actions on whatever their "religion" tells them to, making them nothing more than a puppet. The worse of the religions are Jehovas Witnesses who actually trespass uninvited onto your property to try and push their religion to you "forgive those who trespass aginst us"? Not on your nelly I gladly tell them where I will shove their books if they are not off my property in 5 seconds flat.

Predikuesi - why is the burden of proof that the bible is full of nonsense on us? Its myth and fantasy are you really telling us you believe that someone who has been dead 40 days can come back to life, that someone has the power to part the sea? You show me someone parting the sea and I will show you my psychiatric medications! It is rubbish.
#22
I'd suggest simply being nice to each other, but the last bloke I heard about doing that got nailed to a lump of tree for his trouble
#23
harlzter;1694069
are you really telling us you believe that someone who has been dead 40 days can come back to life.


Please please please let me know where this can be found in the Bible. Yes, you understand of the Bible is rubbish.
#24
nightswimmer;1693932
So following that logic, doesn't that mean that all Gods from all religions exist? :thinking:

(Not trying to be disrespectful, I'm just interested in what you said - no need to answer if you'd rather not. :))

That question actually does not make sense. There are obviously many religions with their respective deities. My statement simply no one can be bold enough to say that he or she has perfect and absolute knowledge of everything. Therefore, at the very least, the door should be open to the idea that God exists. Of course I believe, coming from a Judeo-Christian background, that the God of the Bible is the only true God and that all the others are counterfeits. But my belief is not the point. My point is that we must be open to the possibility that God exists. "The fools has said in his heart, There is no God." (Psalms)
#25
Predikuesi
That question actually does not make sense. There are obviously many religions with their respective deities. My statement simply no one can be bold enough to say that he or she has perfect and absolute knowledge of everything. Therefore, at the very least, the door should be open to the idea that God exists. Of course I believe, coming from a Judeo-Christian background, that the God of the Bible is the only true God and that all the others are counterfeits. But my belief is not the point. My point is that we must be open to the possibility that God exists. "The fools has said in his heart, There is no God." (Psalms)


Why didn't my question make sense? :oops:

You are saying that because we do not have absolute knowledge of everything, we can not say that God doesn't exist.

Why doesn't the same apply for Gods of other religions? If we do not have absolute knowledge, how can you say that all those other Gods are counterfeits?

Hence my question. If no one can say that God doesn't exist, doesn't that mean that all Gods of all religions must exist because no one can say that they do not?
#26
bjmcghee;1693826
That's an interesting point because the Inquisition used various methods against Galileo Galilei because he put forward the Heliocentric view of the solar system, i.e. the Earth orbiting the Sun. In the end after repeated threats and being placed under house arrest he did recant because he feared fo his 'eternal soul'. On what authority did the Inquisition force him into that position if it wasn't the bible, it certainly says in the literature that I've read that the bible was the source of their claims?

Science was held back by the church for enturies through their use of the bible as ultimate authority on all matters.

No, it was the stupidity of the Catholic Church. Very few of the priests, monks and prelates bothered to read the Bible. To prove my point, why not try to find anywhere in the Bible that even suggests that the earth is flat. It is not what people say the Bible says, it what it says for itself. You last comment is false for this reason. The RC Church thought they knew what the Bible taught, but they were in error. There where other Christian groups who taught exactly what the Bible said and were put to death for their belief. In reality Rome was unwilling for the Bible to be in the hands of the people, because then they would know that the priests were lying. Many fail to realise that the RC Church was not the only one in existence. The RC church was the taliban of the Dark Ages. So we cannot blame God's Word for their evil deeds.
#27
nightswimmer;1694736
Why didn't my question make sense? :oops:

You are saying that because we do not have absolute knowledge of everything, we can not say that God doesn't exist.

Why doesn't the same apply for Gods of other religions? If we do not have absolute knowledge, how can you say that all those other Gods are counterfeits?

Hence my question. If no one can say that God doesn't exist, doesn't that mean that all Gods of all religions must exist because no one can say that they do not?

I think you have answered the question for me. At the very least we must accept the possiblity, no matter how remote and objectionable, that God exists. My arguement is not about the number of gods, but that the athiest's point of view is flawed at its conception.
#28
Predikuesi
I think you have answered the question for me. At the very least we must accept the possiblity, no matter how remote and objectionable, that God exists. My arguement is not about the number of gods, but that the athiest's point of view is flawed at its conception.


Fair enough. :) But if that rule applies to the athiests, doesn't that mean that your statement that:

"I believe, coming from a Judeo-Christian background, that the God of the Bible is the only true God and that all the others are counterfeits."

Is also flawed at it's conception?
#29
harlzter;1694069
Not another religious debate/debacle in my mind religion is used as an emotional crutch by people that are too weak to live their own lives their own way, they base their decisions and carry most actions on whatever their "religion" tells them to, making them nothing more than a puppet. The worse of the religions are Jehovas Witnesses who actually trespass uninvited onto your property to try and push their religion to you "forgive those who trespass aginst us"? Not on your nelly I gladly tell them where I will shove their books if they are not off my property in 5 seconds flat.

Predikuesi - why is the burden of proof that the bible is full of nonsense on us? Its myth and fantasy are you really telling us you believe that someone who has been dead 40 days can come back to life, that someone has the power to part the sea? You show me someone parting the sea and I will show you my psychiatric medications! It is rubbish.


Therefore, you must conclude that my experience in Albania is a figment of my imagination or an outright lie. Do you have an explanation for what happened to me other that ranting about what you don't like about religion? Be sensible now!
#30
nightswimmer;1694741
Fair enough. :) But if that rule applies to the athiests, doesn't that mean that your statement that:

"I believe, coming from a Judeo-Christian background, that the God of the Bible is the only true God and that all the others are counterfeits."

Is also flawed at it's conception?


No. Because I am not saying that I might not be wrong. The athiest is adament that no god exists. I am simply stating that to the best of my understand there is every possibility that He does. It is the athiest's position that is illogical. He closes his mind to the thought of a deity. But because he chooses to believe that a god does not exist, does not make it so. For instance, my experience in Albania is either true or false. Each person must at least agree that there is the possibility that it did happen exactly as I said. I have had many amazing things happen to me since I became a believer that convinces me that God is real, but I cannot prove to you that it is so.
#31
Predikuesi
No. Because I am not saying that I might not be wrong. The athiest is adament that no god exists. I am simply stated that to the best of my understand there is every possibility that He does. It is the athiest's position that is illogical. He closes his mind to the thought of a deity. But because he chooses to believe that a god does not exist, does not make it so.


So an athiest has to be open to the possibility that God exists, but you do not have to be open to the possibility that other Gods from other religions exist?

For instance, my experiene in Albania is either true or false. Each person must at least agree that there is the possibility that it did happen exactly as I said.


Just to be clear, I have never once said that I doubted that what you said, actually happened. :)
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I say, if God doesn't exist who created the Earth? I don't beleive for one second in that big bang story either. Putting my personal beliefs aside, to me the chances that our world and universe were created by a God are much higher than the chance that it just sprung to life from nothing.
#33
nightswimmer;1694750
So an athiest has to be open to the possibility that God exists, but you do not have to be open to the possibility that other Gods from other religions exist?



Just to be clear, I have never once said that I doubted that what you said actually happened. :)

Faith cannot be faith unless there is an element of doubt to work through, otherwise what is faith for? I don't accept 'blind faith' which is really the basis for brainwashing. As I cannot prove to anyone that God (or gods) exist, neither can the athiest prove He does not. It all comes down to faith in both worldviews. Again, my arguement is not whether there are countless gods, as adhered to in the various religions, but that there is at least the possibility that they exist. Unlike many, not only have I studied the Bible (and continue to do so), but I have studied all the world's major religions and have read their scriptures. The belief in a god is so wide spread for the notion to be a delusion. I am not talking about the different religions approach to God, for they at least believe in a divine being, if I can restate my arguement. The athiest cannot logically and reasonably suggest that there is no possibility that there is a God.
#34
TheDoc;1694751
I say, if God doesn't exist who created the Earth? I don't beleive for one second in that big bang story either. Putting my personal beliefs aside, to me the chances that our world and universe were created by a God are much higher than the chance that it just sprung to life from nothing.

http://www.albright.edu/images/reporter/winter2003/amen-hdr.gif

At last!
#35
Predikuesi
Again, my arguement is not whether there are countless gods, as adhered to in the various religions, but that there is at least the possibility that they exist.


This is the bit I have trouble understanding. On one hand you say this ^, yet on the other hand you believe this:

"I believe, coming from a Judeo-Christian background, that the God of the Bible is the only true God and that all the others are counterfeits."

If there is the possibility that these other Gods exist, how can you then say that there is only one true God?

[As an aside, apologies if it seems like I am badgering you with my questons. I do not mean to. I just find pople's views on this kind of thing interesting, and the only way I can understand/explore them is by asking questions. :oops:]
#36
Predikuesi, how do you balance your good God, compassionate, understanding and forgiving as well as all powerful with the slow painful deaths of innocent children riddled with an incurable disease ?

Personally I believe religion in any form only exists as an attempt to create order.

For every argument put forward about the existence of a God there will be a counter argument . A totally pointless exercise to my mind because there is no absolute proof either way.

Maybe the day will come when people are able to respect each others views and beliefs and live together under one set of global rules ?
Or maybe that already exists in the next life ? Never a wise move to dismiss anything out of hand. :)
#37
nightswimmer;1694773
This is the bit I have trouble understanding. On one hand you say this ^, yet on the other hand you believe this:

"I believe, coming from a Judeo-Christian background, that the God of the Bible is the only true God and that all the others are counterfeits."

If there is the possibility that these other Gods exist, how can you then say that there is only one true God?

[As an aside, apologies if it seems like I am badgering you with my questons. I do not mean to. I just find pople's views on this kind of thing interesting, and the only way I can understand/explore them is by asking questions. :oops:]


I am stating what I believe to be true in my personal experience, but I have to at least be open to the possibility that I am wrong. The athiest has no such openness. I am saying that I can not put something into your hand as evidence that absolutely and for all time proves the existence of a god, neither can the athiest prove there is no god. My choice of the Judeo-Christian God is a matter of faith. Supposing God does not exist and we all perish in the soil, then I was wrong, but then if He does, and I reject Him, that is worse.

I never said that anyone said I was lying about my Albanian experience, simply asking what others think happened.
#38
Predikuesi
I am stating what I believe to be true in my personal experience, but I have to at least be open to the possibility that I am wrong.


So when the Bible says that there is only one true God, is it possible that it is wrong too?
#39
hottoshop;1694792
Predikuesi, how do you balance your good God, compassionate, understanding and forgiving as well as all powerful with the slow painful deaths of innocent children riddled with an incurable disease ?


This is a loaded question. But why do you think that God is to blame? Surely you are intelligent enough to see that we cause the sickness and disease through chemicals and poor government of the earth. For instance, is God to be blamed for global warming? I think what you are really asking is, "Why does not God intervene?" Why should He if we don't play by the rules? He made a perfect world to be enjoyed, but we messed it up. He sent Christ to make a difference, but the majority reject Him. If we tell Him to get lost, why complain when things go wrong for us. One day He will intervene for the last time. Which I believe the OP was referring to.
#40
nightswimmer;1694805
So when the Bible says that there is only one true God, is it possible that it is wrong too?


I think we are going around in circles here. The Bible states that there is only one God. I believe that to be true. If we are open mined enough, though not to let our brains fall out, then we must accept that the Bible's claim to be possibly untrue. If I cannot at least operate from this position, then I am as narrowminded as the athiest.
I personally think that God is not offended by reasonable doubt. In fact He welcomes debate by those who see things differently, "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord" (Isaiah 1:8). Even Jesus did not repremand Thomas for his doubt and questions, but worked through them with him.

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