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6y, 5m agoPosted 6 years, 5 months ago
Just thought Id put this questions out.

What is HotUKDeals really all about? Saving money for consumers, right? Benefiting Consumers?

There was a recent BetFair deal where refer a friend was an option and was mentioned on HotUKDeals partner website (Quidco) as an additional thing you could do to get an extra bit of cash.

I was banned for a few days for giving people a referral code on the thread? Why? Of course, I was benefiting from this as well as the person I was referring but what is the problem, if consumers are getting extra money doing this?

I really feel that with Quidco and HotUKDeals they should be similar in what they state is ok to do and what is not.

Thoughts?
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6y, 5m agoPosted 6 years, 5 months ago
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#1
here here
#2
Thoughts?


Follow the rules?
banned#3
Quidco and HUDK, and FOLK are all owned by the same person, so all rules dont count there
banned#4
What is HotUKDeals really all about? Saving money for consumers, right? Benefiting Consumers?


Making money
#5
colinsunderland
Making money


They certainly are. But really, where does it stop? The core idea of this website is to save consumers money? So they clearly are more focused now on making themselves more money then allowing consumers to make further savings.

Sad how as forums like these grow the core interests change.
#6
thesaint
Follow the rules?


Don't recall it saying

"Do not allow consumers to make extra money if we can"

Of course there is a rule against:

"Spam, Ads, Referrals or Self Promotion"

The refer a friend scheme is different to normal referrals in that it works in a similar way to voucher/coupons work. With not just a single person making money.

I honestly think that HUKD need to make this area far clearer and avoid making suggestions on there partner site if they against them on this one!
#7
I got a warning for ASKING if anyone wanted to refer me to topcashback.

I would have gained ZERO from it while whoever referred me would have got £10. How this can be judged as "self-promotion" I don't know.

I seriously hope it hadn't anything to do with Topcashback being a competitor but i guess i will never know as my request for justification has been totally ignored.
#8
stevieglesga
I got a warning for ASKING if anyone wanted to refer me to topcashback.

I would have gained ZERO from it while whoever referred me would have got £10. How this can be judged as "self-promotion" I don't know.

I seriously hope it hadn't anything to do with Topcashback being a competitor but i guess i will never know as my request for justification has been totally ignored.


Really. Shocking
banned#9
stevieglesga;8879425
I got a warning for ASKING if anyone wanted to refer me to topcashback.

I would have gained ZERO from it while whoever referred me would have got £10. How this can be judged as "self-promotion" I don't know.

I seriously hope it hadn't anything to do with Topcashback being a competitor but i guess i will never know as my request for justification has been totally ignored.


Referrals/Self Promo is not allowed as per the rules at sign up, for which you agreed to comply. Inciting others to break the rules will also be treated in the same manner e.g. requesting prohibited items within the trading forums is not allowed, even though you're not the seller.


It has nothing whatsoever to do with any competitor sites, these rules are applicable to all.
#10
stevieglesga
I got a warning for ASKING if anyone wanted to refer me to topcashback.

I would have gained ZERO from it while whoever referred me would have got £10. How this can be judged as "self-promotion" I don't know.

I seriously hope it hadn't anything to do with Topcashback being a competitor but i guess i will never know as my request for justification has been totally ignored.


That is really bad. Think that is just being purely anti-competitive.
banned#11
SAVE4IT;8879731
That is really bad. Think that is just being purely anti-competitive.


Not the intention at all. Can you even contemplate what a mess the boards would be in with hundreds, if not thousands competing for their own individual share of refer a friend opportunities. This would clutter the forums make the real bargains harder to find for all.

Read here for a little further info.
banned#12
aScottishBloke

Not the intention at all. Can you even contemplate what a mess the boards would be in with hundreds, if not thousands competing for their own individual share of refer a friend opportunities.. This would clutter the forums make the real bargains harder to find for all.


Yes, it was called the FOLK iPad competition :whistling:
banned#13
jubbyme;8879819
Yes, it was called the FOLK iPad competition :whistling:


It's not hypocritical to promote a linked site from within the same organisation, although I agree it got a little messy at times, but we'll learn from that.
banned#14
aScottishBloke

It's not hypocritical to promote a linked site from within the same organisation, although I agree it got a little messy at times, but we'll learn from that.


i think thats what this post if about, how other sites owned by the same get different treatment, and as a result people got to self promote to win an iPad, which wouldnt happen for another site, I bet if quido offered a tenner to people to refer new members it would suddenly be allowed to promote, but hey ho
banned#15
Not true at all jubbyme. Posts referring to other cashback sites remain, as you should only be too well aware had you reviewed many of the previous threads. Just do an advanced search for all references to this and many others.
#16
aScottishBloke

Not the intention at all. Can you even contemplate what a mess the boards would be in with hundreds, if not thousands competing for their own individual share of refer a friend opportunities. This would clutter the forums make the real bargains harder to find for all.

Read here for a little further info.


Will i have always found your posts to be informative I am at a loss of how me suggesting a fellow HUKDer should benefit from refering me can possibly be determined as self promotion and merit a warning.

As i said, I queried this and have never had a reply.
#17
stevieglesga
I got a warning for ASKING if anyone wanted to refer me to topcashback.

I would have gained ZERO from it while whoever referred me would have got £10. How this can be judged as "self-promotion" I don't know.

I seriously hope it hadn't anything to do with Topcashback being a competitor but i guess i will never know as my request for justification has been totally ignored.


Topcashback is rival to Quidco which is owned by ADMIN
banned#18
stevieglesga;8880224
Will i have always found your posts to be informative I am at a loss of how me suggesting a fellow HUKDer should benefit from refering me can possibly be determined as self promotion and merit a warning.

As i said, I queried this and have never had a reply.


We've dealt with this issue many times before, however I hope this post/thread updates you on the reason why we don't permit referrals.
banned#19
strike;8880244
Topcashback is rival to Quidco which is owned by ADMIN


As previously stated, we don't restrict posts which give references to other sites. We do however prohibit self referrals which can lead to ulterior motives for the post being promoted. This applies to all sites.
suspended#20
aScottishBloke

Not the intention at all. Can you even contemplate what a mess the boards would be in with hundreds, if not thousands competing for their own individual share of refer a friend opportunities. This would clutter the forums make the real bargains harder to find for all.

Read here for a little further info.


Would it not be an idea to maybe make a new tab for referals then. obviously the companies that the referals are for would earn their money and such would be happy, and we would earn our bit and we would be happy.

Just a thought. though i think this is a good idea and would obviously then keep the other tabs purely available for 'deals', 'vouchers' ETC.
banned#21
aScottishBloke

It's not hypocritical to promote a linked site from within the same organisation, although I agree it got a little messy at times, but we'll learn from that.


Whats the connection between Paul and Amazon? Shareholder or just bigger referral kick backs?
#22
aScottishBloke

We've dealt with this issue many times before, however I hope this post/thread updates you on the reason why we don't permit referrals.


Quote" allowing self-promo turns it into just another newspaper"

While i understand the need to prevent HUKD being overrun by referral schemes and less than honest individuals, you still haven't answered how my actions could possibly be considred self promotion. I would have gained absolutely NOTHING and was instead trying to help a fellow HUKDer.

Sure, let me know that this kind of offer is not permitted, regardless of how altruistic the intent was, but why would you give me a warning? I repeat...I would have gained nothing!!
suspended#23
guv
Whats the connection between Paul and Amazon? Shareholder or just bigger referral kick backs?


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#24
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/blogs/politics/show-me-the-money%20128.jpg
banned#25
stevieglesga
Quote" allowing self-promo turns it into just another newspaper"

While i understand the need to prevent HUKD being overrun by referral schemes and less than honest individuals, you still haven't answered how my actions could possibly be considred self promotion. I would have gained absolutely NOTHING and was instead trying to help a fellow HUKDer.


Inb4 promoting somebody else self promoting.

To be honest, Ive never understood why somone that knows offers exist (eg like with Sky or Three) its an issue to ask for a referral. I do understand why its not allowed the other way, though I think it all depends who's on mod duty. Ive seen loads of requests, which I assume go without remark.
banned#26
stevieglesga;8880329
Quote" allowing self-promo turns it into just another newspaper"

While i understand the need to prevent HUKD being overrun by referral schemes and less than honest individuals, you still haven't answered how my actions could possibly be considred self promotion. I would have gained absolutely NOTHING and was instead trying to help a fellow HUKDer.

Sure, let me know that this kind of offer is not permitted, regardless of how altruistic the intent was, but why would you give me a warning? I repeat...I would have gained nothing!!


Post #12 makes that clear in reverse. The same reasoning applies. The warning was a friendly reminder asking you not to repeat such a post.
#27
aScottishBloke

Post #12 makes that clear in reverse. The same reasoning applies.


As clear as mud I'm afraid. I agree that HUKD could become swamped by such offers but i ask how can the same reasoning apply. It is totally the opposite of self promotion. No way did it merit a warning for self promotion .

Can you please provide a simple straight forward answer rather than goto post this or read this guidance? I have tried via the normal rules but as i have stated SEVERAL times (without comment) i have yet to receive a reply.
banned#28
Had I read the OP's previous history, my point would have been easily demonstrated. Multiple referral posts made by this member (deleted) hijacking other threads. You continued to ignore. Your latest infraction was for yet another breach of the rules, similar subject matter but an entirely different ID created. Multi ID's are not permitted.
#29
aScottishBloke;8880513
Had I read the OP's previous history, my point would have been easily demonstrated. Multiple referral posts made by this member (deleted) hijacking other threads. You continued to ignore. Your latest infraction was for yet another breach of the rules, similar subject matter but an entirely different ID created. Multi ID's are not permitted.


I really hope this is not referring to me given that it comes directly after my post talking about my infraction. Very misleading.

*Mod Update: stevieglesga, OP refers to Opening Post/Opening Poster. I trust this clarifies. (aScottishBloke)
banned#30
stevieglesga;8880483
As clear as mud I'm afraid. I agree that HUKD could become swamped by such offers but i ask how can the same reasoning apply. It is totally the opposite of self promotion. No way did it merit a warning for self promotion .

Can you please provide a simple straight forward answer rather than goto post this or read this guidance? I have tried via the normal rules but as i have stated SEVERAL times (without comment) i have yet to receive a reply.


I'm referring you to previous responses rather than regurgitate the same thoughts. You've seen the comment straight from Admin.

Your post would encourage referrals/self promo, that's very clear to all. I'm a little confused at what part you don't understand. I gave other examples relating to the trading forums, applying the same principles, hoping that would clarify.

Self promo/referral/self gain is not permitted regardless of the thread creator or member responding.
#31
aScottishBloke

I'm referring you to previous responses rather than regurgitate the same thoughts. You've seen the comment straight from Admin.

Your post would encourage referrals/self promo, that's very clear to all. I'm a little confused at what part you don't understand. I gave other examples relating to the trading forums, applying the same principles, hoping that would clarify.

Self promo/referral/self gain is not permitted regardless of the thread creator or member responding.


Why don't you answer Stevie's question? Please define "self promo/self gain" with respect to the rules. If your definition is congruent with Stevie's actions then there is a breach of rules - no 2 ways about it. If not (and in my book, it is not), then you should stop using the excuse that his actions would "encourage referrals/self promo". To put it unequivocally, "Which rule did Stevie break?" or was it a rule that was made up along the way?
#32
aScottishBloke

Self promo/referral/self gain is not permitted regardless of the thread creator or member responding.


I appreciate the effort you are making but can you explain the justification in a warning for something that WAS NOT "self promo/referral or self gain" and especially given that that no member actually responded. With all the nonsense that goes on here doesn't this sound a tad unfair and over zealous?

Or can you explain why up until now i haven't received a reply to my previous communications?
banned#33
SAVE4IT
They certainly are. But really, where does it stop? The core idea of this website is to save consumers money? So they clearly are more focused now on making themselves more money then allowing consumers to make further savings.

Sad how as forums like these grow the core interests change.


No, the core idea is to make money for the owner. That is quite simple. It is a good site and provides bargains and advice (sometimes good!) and that is how it works, but at the end of the day, if it stops making money it won't be here. That might sound harsh but it's the truth. Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with that, I certainly wouldn't like to pay the hosting bills :thinking:

stevieglesga
I appreciate the effort you are making but can you explain the justification in a warning for something that WAS NOT "self promo/referral or self gain" and especially given that that no member actually responded. With all the nonsense that goes on here doesn't this sound a tad unfair and over zealous?

Or can you explain why up until now i haven't received a reply to my previous communications?


I'll have to stick up for ASB here (theres a first for everything!), firstly, how would he know no-one responded, he can't read your pm's, so you could have had 10 people reply for all he knows.
Secondly, the person referring you would have been breaking the site rules. You asking someone to do that is obviously going to attract attention.
Thirdly (and this will most likely be denied but hey) using a referral usually stops any affiliate getting commission, so you are possibly taking income away from the site. Maybe not in this case as I don't know what site it was, but if this were my site I wouldn't be happy to lose money.
banned#34
stevieglesga;8880721
I appreciate the effort you are making but can you explain the justification in a warning for something that WAS NOT "self promo/referral or self gain" and especially given that that no member actually responded. With all the nonsense that goes on here doesn't this sound a tad unfair and over zealous?

Or can you explain why up until now i haven't received a reply to my previous communications?


StevieGlesga,

Surely you understand that if self promo/gain/referral is not permitted, then it's blatantly obvious that you can't encourage such activity. That principle lies behind many of the laws of the land, not just here. You can't encourage an activity if it's prohibited. Furthermore, you should have been aware of the rules at sign up and it's your responsibility to adhere to the ethos behind the t&c's, which we feel you clearly breached.

As for the lack of communications, I don't have access to the admin(s) mailbox, however I can let you know that they receive a remarkable amount of queries and quite often a response might only be made should the original decision require to be overturned or further clarification given. For the reasons I've stated earlier, I can only assume that this has been a clear cut case.
#35
colinsunderland


I'll have to stick up for ASB here (theres a first for everything!), firstly, how would he know no-one responded, he can't read your pm's, so you could have had 10 people reply for all he knows.
[COLOR="Red"]Secondly, the person referring you would have been breaking the site rules. You asking someone to do that is obviously going to attract attention.[/COLOR]
Thirdly (and this will most likely be denied but hey) using a referral usually stops any affiliate getting commission, so you are possibly taking income away from the site. Maybe not in this case as I don't know what site it was, but if this were my site I wouldn't be happy to lose money.


No, i agree that removing the thread was, in light of ASB's comments, the right thing to do and I can see that had someone posted a response to my request then yes it could be construed as encouraging them to break the rules. But i was doing nothing that benefited myself. Surely a wee word would have been sufficient and a response to my query would have been nice?

Just saw ASB's response. Thank you, but it still stinks as being over zealous but hey, if them the rules...
#36
colinsunderland
No, the core idea is to make money for the owner. That is quite simple. It is a good site and provides bargains and advice (sometimes good!) and that is how it works, but at the end of the day, if it stops making money it won't be here. That might sound harsh but it's the truth. Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with that, I certainly wouldn't like to pay the hosting bills :thinking:


Of course the core idea is to make money, and make money they will through the amount of people that chose to go to the deal via the button on the site. Totally off topic but with regard to the hosting costs.. They will absolutely tiny - I run my own hosting firm and know that forum hosting requires very small amounts of space.
banned#37
SAVE4IT
Of course the core idea is to make money, and make money they will through the amount of people that chose to go to the deal via the button on the site. Totally off topic but with regard to the hosting costs.. They will absolutely tiny - I run my own hosting firm and know that forum hosting requires very small amounts of space.


bandwidth however is a different matter.
#38
aScottishBloke

Not the intention at all. Can you even contemplate what a mess the boards would be in with hundreds, if not thousands competing for their own individual share of refer a friend opportunities. This would clutter the forums make the real bargains harder to find for all.

Read here for a little further info.


Exactly. Well, the damage has been done. I can only make a suggestion that a place on the forums where people can offer references to allow users to make further savings could be added to the forums. I do feel that these programmes should not be encouraged on Quidco when the main usage comes from HUKD members and when discussing this on the forums is against the rules.
#39
colinsunderland
bandwidth however is a different matter.


Bandwidth.. In all honesty it's not an issue. The content is very text heavy which requires very little bandwidth and all images are pointed to external links. Obviously with the amount of traffic it would all add up but not enough to justify it being a major expense in the HUKD books.
banned#40
SAVE4IT;8881482
Exactly. Well, the damage has been done. I can only make a suggestion that a place on the forums where people can offer references to allow users to make further savings could be added to the forums. I do feel that these programmes should not be encouraged on Quidco when the main usage comes from HUKD members and when discussing this on the forums is against the rules.


You're drifting off topic and losing the focus. We have gave you a sound decision based upon this site's rules, t&c's etc. What happens elsewhere should not be of concern.

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