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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology Saint Hill Manor is a country house at Saint Hill Green near East Grinstead, West Sussex, England that serves as the location of the head office for the Chu… Read More
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8y, 4m agoPosted 8 years, 4 months ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology

Saint Hill Manor is a country house at Saint Hill Green near East Grinstead, West Sussex, England that serves as the location of the head office for the Church of Scientology in the United Kingdom:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Hill_Manor
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8y, 4m agoPosted 8 years, 4 months ago
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#1
Brainwashing comes to mind. They are control freaks.
#2
Scientology is bad science-fiction.
#3
Might be fun to join for a while
#4
choc1969;4302622
Might be fun to join for a while

But would you be free to escape?:-D


Info for anyone interested in this cult
banned#5
full of nutters
#6
Predikuesi;4302659
But would you be free to escape?:-D


I'm an atheist surrounded by a Christian family.........:w00t:

they wouldn't know what hit them :whistling:
[mod]#7
I don't mind them as they don't knock on my door unlike the ruddy Jehovah's and Mormons. :x
banned#8
Reported.

Why is it people continue to pick on my religion and none of the others?
#9
http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/mangler92/Scientology.jpg



I'm open to the concept . . . . .
#10
I think Scientology follow several of the following irrational beliefs

http://www.briansapient.com/images/HamuROOKis_Precepts.jpg
banned 1 Like #11
Liddle ol' me
I think


You were doing well until that point, then it just went downhill.

Why do you feel it's ok to belittle people's religious beliefs anyway?

Crusade much?
#12
Liddle ol' me;4302751
I think Scientology follow several of the following irrational beliefs



http://i43.tinypic.com/29epx5c.jpg
I'm lining up against the wall ready for the firing squad! :)
#13
Predikuesi
I'm lining up against the wall ready for the firing squad! :)


Don't worry, it's a non-violent educational project. No living creatures will be harmed, although the process of working through delusions may be mentally painful for some :)
#14
Be careful, you'll wake up with a horses head on your pillow :whistling:
#15
Predikuesi
Brainwashing comes to mind. They are control freaks.


As are many other major religions :p

I've read the background of it and it does seem silly that people would believe in it knowing what L Ron Hubbard said :thinking:
#16
Liddle ol' me;4302834
Don't worry, it's a non-violent educational project. No living creatures will be harmed, although the process of working through delusions may be mentally painful for some :)


Phew! I'm ok then and I wont have to suffer any mental pain either. Safe on both counts.
#17
Its great, but probably to complicated for low levelers to understand.
#18
guv;4302783
Why do you feel it's ok to belittle people's religious beliefs anyway?


Are you suggesting because something calls itself a religion it should be immune to criticism? A very dangerous path to follow... (national socialism etc...)
#19
Predikuesi
Phew! I'm ok then and I wont have to suffer any mental pain either. Safe on both counts.


Yes, I'm quite sure you are right about that Pred. :p:
#20
jah128
Are you suggesting because something calls itself a religion it should be immune to criticism? A very dangerous path to follow... (national socialism etc...)


Precisely. It's even on the list above. The 'special pass' has always been theists' cultural trump card, which makes it a fantastic project for political leaders to align themselves with.
#21
jah128;4302890
Are you suggesting because something calls itself a religion it should be immune to criticism? A very dangerous path to follow... (national socialism etc...)


I didn't read it that way! I think that all theories and isms should be open to ctiticism. When an organisation closes in on itself it usually becomes militant. This has been true both in the religious and political world. My beliefs have been criticized on here in the past, but I'm stronger for it as a person. I do not believe though that a person should ridicule someone else for the beliefs they hold, i.e. character assasination. As soon as it gets into a slanging match it is simply a sign that half-wits are engaged in discoursing about things they known and understand little of.
banned#22
jah128
Are you suggesting because something calls itself a religion it should be immune to criticism? A very dangerous path to follow... (national socialism etc...)


Is that you asking the question or national socialism?

It's very noticeable that this member has a crusade about some issues, but very intolerant towards anyone with religious views. My comment wasn't confined to any particular religion.
#23
ODB_69
full of nutters


no love this thread is about scientology not HUKD :-D
#24
foxymissroxy;4303003
no love this thread is about scientology not HUKD :-D


Are you sure? :)
#25
Predikuesi
I didn't read it that way! I think that all theories and isms should be open to ctiticism. When an organisation closes in on itself it usually becomes militant. This has been true both in the religious and political world. My beliefs have been criticized on here in the past, but I'm stronger for it as a person. I do not believe though that a person should ridicule someone else for the beliefs they hold. As soon as it gets into a slanging match it is simple a sign that half-wits are engaged in discoursing about things they known and understand little of.


I agree that ridicule is not always the best answer, although it does have a place in the debate. Some ideas are ludicrous and deserving of this kind of attention, but only if it's done in a way that intends to hold a concept up to rational inspection. These guys discuss this very issue on the first video link on this site http://newatheists.org/

EDIT: I should add of course that it is the ideas that should be open to ridicule rather than the people who hold them.
#26
guv;4302972
Is that you asking the question or national socialism?

It's very noticeable that this member has a crusade about some issues, but very intolerant towards anyone with religious views. My comment wasn't confined to any particular religion.


This is a discussion about Scientology though - which is now and always has been a money generating scam which earns its 'leaders' sizable funds by guilt-tripping gullible, less-intelligent members with a completely moronic and farcical set of 'beliefs'. Its a complete fraud!

Or as South Park puts it...
#27
Liddle ol' me;4303056
I agree that ridicule is not always the best answer, although it does have a place in the debate.


Ok. I get your point, but we don't always know enough about the people we are dealing with, this is especially true with those in forums. People might hold to views that we don't agree with, but they might have emotional problems too, so in ridiculing them we might send them over the edge. I realise that such a situation might be rare, but I would not want it on my conscience. Debate the issue, but not the supposed intelliegence of the person adhering to it. I don't think it is wise to call someone a "stupid idiot" for example. The one who does that has usually lost the arguement in my opinion.

Edit: Liddle, just saw your edit. I agree :):thumbsup:
banned#28
jah128
This is a discussion about Scientology though -


Is it? Then why has that picture been posted in other threads to try to belittle anyone who has religious beliefs?
#29
guv;4303218
Is it? Then why has that picture been posted in other threads to try to belittle anyone who has religious beliefs?


If you consider someone putting across an alternative point of view as belittling your own views then you clearly have some insecurities about your views!
#30
jah128
Or as South Park puts it...


I love the banner "This is what scientologists actually believe". Please tell me it's nowhere near as wacky as that though! Apart from their take on medicine and a couple of other issues I don't know a lot about them. Do they actually have a narrative to explain life..?
#31
guv;4303218
Is it? Then why has that picture been posted in other threads to try to belittle anyone who has religious beliefs?


I think that some have done this, but who gives them any credit? If anyone deserves to be belittled it is those who belittle the person holding the belief instead of intelligently debating it.

I have learned to walk away from wild dogs who can do nothing but snarl and gnash their teeth. You know the saying, An empty vessel makes the most sound!

I don't mind my belief being debated and scrutinised, but I don't take to kindly to people trying to make me look foolish. Debate, as far as I am concerned, is healthy.

I am open minded enough to talk about other people's views, but not enough to let my brains fall out.
#32
Liddle ol' me;4303246
I love the banner "This is what scientologists actually believe". Please tell me it's nowhere near as wacky as that though! Apart from their take on medicine and a couple of other issues I don't know a lot about them. Do they actually have a narrative to explain life..?



That is what Scientologists actually 'believe'. Or more accurately, that is what Scientology leaders will gradually introduce to you provided you pay up to get to the correct Thetan operating level....
#33
jah128
That is what Scientologists actually 'believe'. Or more accurately, that is what Scientology leaders will gradually introduce to you provided you pay up to get to the correct Thetan operating level....


That's pretty shocking then. I know people can be sold an idea which allows them to suspend critical thought and block out a mountain of contradictory evidence, but at least with established religions there are hundreds of years of cultural practices behind them.

It doesn't surprise me at all that so many people adhere to their religious faith through an entire lifetime, but how the hell do you sell this story to them?! I mean Tom Cruise appears to have some degree of intelligence and he wasn't born into this faith. What's the deal with him and the other big 'stars' and Scientology? Do they also have some material benefit it???
banned#34
jah128
If you consider someone putting across an alternative point of view as belittling your own views then you clearly have some insecurities about your views!


My views have nothing to do with it. I am an atheist. I have no religious beliefs. I'm tolerant of other people's religious beliefs. However, do you really see that as an alternative point of view or just yet another opportunity to bash religion?
banned#35
jah128;4303062
This is a discussion about Scientology though - which is now and always has been a money generating scam which earns its 'leaders' sizable funds by guilt-tripping gullible, less-intelligent members with a completely moronic and farcical set of 'beliefs'. Its a complete fraud!

Or as South Park puts it...


but to some this is a religion, you have to keep that in mind. If Scientlogy being a 'religion' can be attacked, then ALL religions are equally open to attack. So attacking this is no different to attacking Islam/Christianity/Etc

As much as you can say 'but its wrong because of X' this could be applied to all religions
banned#36
Liddle ol' me;4303407
What's the deal with him and the other big 'stars' and Scientology? Do they also have some material benefit it???

yes they do...

one of the programs a while back explained how Scientology has a large amount of power within the industry, financial backing etc
#37
i r lvl 13 thetan

xenu xenu
#38
ODB_69;4303475
yes they do...

one of the programs a while back explained how Scientology has a large amount of power within the industry, financial backing etc


Bit like the Masons then.
#39
guv;4303409
My views have nothing to do with it. I am an atheist. I have no religious beliefs. I'm tolerant of other people's religious beliefs. However, do you really see that as an alternative point of view or just yet another opportunity to bash religion?


If you're refering to what LOM put in post #12 I think its putting across an very valid alternative point of view, not just religion bashing.
banned#40
Predikuesi;4303526
Bit like the Masons then.

yup

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