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What saved 100s/1000s of lives but was abolished in 1971?

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Permanent British Summer Time - seems that during a trial (1968-71), leaving the clocks forward saved many lives, but was not pursued... The question appeared on yahoo answers style site. Thanks t… Read More
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7y, 2m agoPosted 7 years, 2 months ago
Permanent British Summer Time - seems that during a trial (1968-71), leaving the clocks forward saved many lives, but was not pursued...

The question appeared on yahoo answers style site. Thanks to the answer, I found this long (very long) document which supports SDST (single double sumer time - basically European time) & appears to suggest, with sources quoted, that it could save lives, help the health of the nation, benefit the economy, SAVE US MONEY (heating & lighting), etc. Having read it all, I 110% agree with their final words (page 18) - why are we not trying it?

http://www.rospa.co.uk/roadsafety/info/summertime_paper.pdf
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7y, 2m agoPosted 7 years, 2 months ago
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#2
Since when are our clocks retarded in October???

lol
suspended#3
I've always agreed on ending the time changes.
We don't need them now as we have artificial lighting.
It's a stupid idea that kills many every year, and the governments complain about "terrorists"?
banned#4
banned#5
hello everyone!
banned#6
bykergrove
hello everyone!


Get to bed :p
banned#7
DLM
Get to bed :p


loooooool i am i am! good night! :D
banned#8
bykergrove
loooooool i am i am! good night! :D


Good night x x
banned#9
Who cares about farmers. Agriculture has been on the down forever now, since half our food is imported and anyway the have tractors with lights, greenhouses with automatic watering etc..... Since when did postman start delivering before light as well, mine turn up late afternoon. Never understood it, always has been a stupid idea
banned#10
DarkKnight;7912894
I've always agreed on ending the time changes.
We don't need them now as we have artificial lighting.
It's a stupid idea that kills many every year, and the governments complain about "terrorists"?

I hope you're trying to be humourous?

Anyway, this thread isnt about ending the time changes. Its about not putting the clocks backward in october in one year. Personally, I hate the suggestion as it would mean most of the UK would have darkness until 9:15am in December! It would mean it would still be dark at 8:30 in the morning even today!

The report's premise is that "Road casualty rates increase with the arrival of darker evenings and worsening weather conditions. Every Autumn when the clocks go back and sunset occurs earlier in the day, road casualties and the casualty rate rise."

Surely just shifting the clock forward 1 hour will mean the increase will be diverted to the morning peak rate as it would mean most workers and all school children would have a far longer period in winter for travelling to work / school in darkness.
#11
OMG i was at a party last night and we were talking about this I sed they did an experiment in the late 60's early 70's everyone sed they did not I am passing this post on to a few ppl

I agree it is mad and even if they do not change it permanently (apperntly it is because it would not get light till well after 10am in Scotland that they decided against it, but they can have there own time that will chear up the snp) could they just change the months they do it? like do not change till end of Nov and change back end of Feb?

I used to love the dark nights but i hate them now
#12
In the 60's and early 70's we were promised all sorts of things that would be brought about computerisation and technology, prosperity from british oil and by now according to books of the time we should be holidaying on the moon and driving hover cars! However one of the things that we were promised was shorter working hours, earlier retirement and a shorter working week. That would have solved the problem. Work at 9 and home by 3.

You can make your own minds up why we aren't rich and instead of working for a lesser time in life, most of us will now have longer working lives than our parents. Changing the subject a little, but the daylight saving system would have been almost irrelevant if things had worked out as we were fed a dream when I was at school.
banned#13
miles136;7913145
OMG i was at a party last night and we were talking about this I sed they did an experiment in the late 60's early 70's everyone sed they did not I am passing this post on to a few ppl

I agree it is mad and even if they do not change it permanently (apperntly it is because it would not get light till well after 10am in Scotland that they decided against it, but they can have there own time that will chear up the snp) could they just change the months they do it? like do not change till end of Nov and change back end of Feb?

I used to love the dark nights but i hate them now

to me, this is easily the best way to please both sides of the argument.
#14
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The 1968/71 Experiment
In 1968, there was a three-year experiment when British Standard Time (GMT + 1) was employed all year round; the clocks were advanced in March 1968 and not put back until October 1971.1 This period provided an opportunity to evaluate the effect of the daylight change on a number of things, particularly road accident casualties.2
A Parliamentary review of the experiment reported that it was impossible to quantify a great many of the more important advantages and disadvantages of this time system and concluded that the final decision on whether to retain the system would rest largely on a qualitative judgement. The House of Commons debated the issue in December 1970 and voted against continuing the scheme by 366 to 81. The Summer Time Act 1972 was then enacted, embodying the current system of timekeeping. It is this Act, and the Orders made under it, that prevail today.


I admit that I haven't read the whole report, but have you made those figures up?
#15
Sorry but i couldnt be botherd to read the PDF, and its monday morning and i havent worken up yet.. but how does changing the clocks back / foward kill people?
banned#16
In 1989, a TRL report9 analysed the casualty data from the middle winter (1969/70) of the experimental period and concluded that British Standard Time had resulted in 232 fewer deaths, 1,119 fewer deaths and serious injuries and 2,342 fewer overall casualties during that one winter. The results for the other two winters in this period were similar. ∗ The study concluded that “BST was especially effective in reducing the number of fatalities. The groups which benefitted most from the change were those aged 5 – 15, pedestrians and those living in Central England and Southern Scotland”
The same report then calculated what the likely effects of adopting Single Double British Summertime would have been in the winter of 1986/87. It concluded that this would have saved 160 lives, prevented 810 fewer deaths and serious injuries and reduced overall casualties by about 2,050.
The 1989 study has not been without its critics and its conclusions have been doubted by some.10
A 1996 report11 investigated how the current system of changing to and from British Summertime affected road casualties in Cheshire. Accidents that occurred in Cheshire between 1983 and 1993 during the one-week period either side of the change to and from BST, and between 05.00 - 09.00 and 15.00 - 19.00, were analysed. The results showed when clocks changed to BST in Spring, casualties fell by 6% in the morning and 11% in the evening. When the clocks were changed back to GMT in the Autumn, casualties fell by 6% in the lighter mornings, but increased by 4% in the darker evenings. As there are more casualties in the afternoon and evening period, this resulted in more casualties overall. The report concluded that British Summertime reduces casualties and that the introduction of yearlong BST would reduce road traffic casualties.
banned#17
miles136
OMG i was at a party last night and we were talking about this


And you didn't invite me:x
banned#18
DarkKnight
I've always agreed on ending the time changes.
We don't need them now as we have artificial lighting.
It's a stupid idea that kills many every year, and the governments complain about "terrorists"?


FFS give it a rest. We all know you are a terrorist apologist. Do you really need to enter the word "terrorist" and moan about the government in EVERY thread?
suspended#19
guv
FFS give it a rest. We all know you are a terrorist apologist. Do you really need to enter the word "terrorist" and moan about the government in EVERY thread?


1. I'm not a terrorist apologist. Try to understand that.
2. I was just mentioning the irony of the situation, that more people die from this added darkness than terrorism in this country, yet the government is only concerned on the latter.
#20
DarkKnight;7915521
1. I'm not a terrorist apologist. Try to understand that.
2. I was just mentioning the irony of the situation, that more people die from this added darkness than terrorism in this country, yet the government is only concerned on the latter.


Its not an 'added darkness' - the base timezone in the UK is GMT, not BST.
#21
thesaint
I admit that I haven't read the whole report, but have you made those figures up?


Nope, over the 3 years it seems certain that it was 100s, possibly 1000s - the passage csiman quoted would be one that suggests a fairly high figure (say 700+).

With all of the possible positives, why, oh why don't we try it? :?
banned#22
jnm21;7923573
Nope, over the 3 years it seems certain that it was 100s, possibly 1000s - the passage csiman quoted would be one that suggests a fairly high figure (say 700+).

With all of the possible positives, why, oh why don't we try it? :?

because most of the cabinet are scottish :-D
#23
FilthAndFurry
And you didn't invite me:x


i will next time xx
#24
Driving home from the airport at 6am over the weekend reminded me about this - bright daylight at 6am for 4 months of the year - what a waste for a large percentage of the population.

Personally a referendum on this would be far better than one on how we elect expense swindlers, sorry MPs!
#25
I thought the answer was good music
#26
WOW hang on think no more Xmas lights twinkling away until the kids are in bed :-)

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