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6y, 3m agoPosted 6 years, 3 months ago
So my younger cousin (18) just called me cos he had been sent home from his part time job in a bar.

I asked him why and he was like the ****head manager was been his usual self, nit picking over stuff whilst me and another lad were running round the place dead busy. Then he told us to put on a tie (!?) as they are part of the day time uniform and my cousin said to him that it was too hot espically with no air conditioning working (apparantley even the customers were complaining how warm it was) so he said if you don't put it on go home. So my cousin went home. He's meant to be in tomorrow as well but doesn't know whether to go in and just take the b********, or to tell the manager where to go.
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6y, 3m agoPosted 6 years, 3 months ago
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banned#1
If job is needed then they should comply, if not then tell the manager to shove it.
#2
if he needs a job he should wear it and keep quiet til he finds another..
#3
How much does he need the job?
If he needs the job, he'll wear a tie.
#4
So he didn't get sent home, he refused to wear the required uniform and was given a choice, to which he chose to go home. But as master chief states oerwise.
#5
Your cousin sounds like a right cocky little Pratt...wear the tie,do as he is told or give the job to someone who appreciates having a job.

The manager has a right to discipline him for not wearing the required uniform


Edited By: boothy on Aug 20, 2010 17:28: I
#6
he's meant to be going to uni in a month or so, so he could probably do with the money but its not the end of the world if he doesn't work there anymore cos he only does two days a week anyway

You'd think it would be more suitable if the manager and assistant manager wore ties rather than the bar staff who are doing all the running round
#7
if its part of the uniform then its gotta be warn.tell your cousin to ask the gaffer about the aircon because customers are complaining. he may get some kudos for customer service.

Edited By: lanc_red on Aug 20, 2010 17:29: .
#8
boothy
Your cousin sounds like a right cocky little Pratt...wear the tie,do as he is told or gibe the job to someone who appreciated having a job

yes this ^^
#9
boothy
Your cousin sounds like a right cocky little Pratt...wear the tie,do as he is told or give the job to someone who appreciates having a job.

The manager has a right to discipline him for not wearing the required uniform



Yeah but he said the sweat was already pumping off him cos of the humidity and lack of air con, it was one of those horrible clip on ties so he would have had to had his shirt fully buttoned up to wear it
#10
roryk83
boothy
Your cousin sounds like a right cocky little Pratt...wear the tie,do as he is told or give the job to someone who appreciates having a job.

The manager has a right to discipline him for not wearing the required uniform



Yeah but he said the sweat was already pumping off him cos of the humidity and lack of air con, it was one of those horrible clip on ties so he would have had to had his shirt fully buttoned up to wear it



My heart bleeds.....having to do something at work that he doesn't want to do
#11
boothy
roryk83
boothy
Your cousin sounds like a right cocky little Pratt...wear the tie,do as he is told or give the job to someone who appreciates having a job.

The manager has a right to discipline him for not wearing the required uniform



Yeah but he said the sweat was already pumping off him cos of the humidity and lack of air con, it was one of those horrible clip on ties so he would have had to had his shirt fully buttoned up to wear it



My heart bleeds.....having to do something at work that he doesn't want to do


Yeah obviously when you work you expect to have do crap or put up with it, but I do think he has a point, it is so humid today and I think its a bit out of order from the manager when he knows the air con isnt working
#12
to be honest sounds like a typical hard done by teenager. to walk out just because you have to wear a tie & its too hot is ridiculous. yes the gaffer may have had them running around, but aint that delegation? tell him to get a grip & get back to work. im sure they'l be someone else who would be more than willing to work.
#13
So the manager gave him a choice,if he didnt like being a bit sweaty then go home...he went home...whats the issue?

He wants to think himself lucky his manager was so understanding and did not just fire him for not wearing the uniform as required by his contract of employment

If he still wants the job he should go into work tomorrow,apologise to the manager for being a bit of a baby and get on with his work with his tie on


Edited By: boothy on Aug 20, 2010 17:40: I
#14
I can't see him going in and apologising, doesn't seem like theres much sympathy out there from you lot, but to be honest I feel a bit for him, I've met the manager and he is an idiot and doesn't know how to manage people at all, plus anyone working on a bar anywhere will get a bit sweaty but when theres no air con it can be over - whelming. I dont think its the first instance where the manager has been a bit of a pleb and this was probably the last straw for my cousin espically when he does work like a trooper when hes there. I wouldn't put up with crap from a div like that for a minimum wage job two days a week

Edited By: roryk83 on Aug 20, 2010 17:45: correction
#15
One question, if he says "stick it" to his boss, what do you think his reference will be like when he trys for another job?
#16
sorry OP but I agree with the others on here. If he has this attitude at 18 god help him later on. We have all had jobs we would probably loved to have walked out - but dont. YOU JUST DONT!!!! That shows a lack of maturity and respect.


Edited By: bossyboots on Aug 20, 2010 17:53: kj
banned#17
roryk83
I can't see him going in and apologising, doesn't seem like theres much sympathy out there from you lot, but to be honest I feel a bit for him, I've met the manager and he is an idiot and doesn't know how to manage people at all, plus anyone working on a bar anywhere will get a bit sweaty but when theres no air con it can be over - whelming. I dont think its the first instance where the manager has been a bit of a pleb and this was probably the last straw for my cousin espically when he does work like a trooper when hes there. I wouldn't put up with crap from a div like that for a minimum wage job two days a week


Sympathy? Why, he was in the wrong.

What he should have done was asked the manager if he could take his tie off due to it being so hot. Not just take it off then complain about the heat when pulled about it, then go home in a huff cos he didn't get his own way.

IMHO he's lucky to still have a job.


Edited By: colinsunderland on Aug 20, 2010 17:53: xxx
banned#18
double post

Edited By: colinsunderland on Aug 20, 2010 17:53: xxx
#19
oXdanXo
One question, if he says "stick it" to his boss, what do you think his reference will be like when he trys for another job?


he doesn't need it, hes got loads of great references from similar jobs where the bosses loved him
banned#20
roryk83
oXdanXo
One question, if he says "stick it" to his boss, what do you think his reference will be like when he trys for another job?


he doesn't need it, hes got loads of great references from similar jobs where the bosses loved him


why's he not still working at those places then?
#21
tinkerbell28
Real life is not like school, where you get to go home early take your ties off and go outside for wet play if it's a bit hot. He needs to grow up.



colinsunderland
roryk83
oXdanXo
One question, if he says "stick it" to his boss, what do you think his reference will be like when he trys for another job?


he doesn't need it, hes got loads of great references from similar jobs where the bosses loved him


why's he not still working at those places then?


commute was easier for this one, taxi fares at night a lot less
#22
roryk83
oXdanXo
One question, if he says "stick it" to his boss, what do you think his reference will be like when he trys for another job?


he doesn't need it, hes got loads of great references from similar jobs where the bosses loved him


How many jobs has he had already at 18?

They cant love him that much or he would be working for them

Or were they paper rounds....

Edited By: boothy on Aug 20, 2010 17:56: Lol
#23
My kid wipes *****, literally, for minimum wage because she wants to pay off her overdraft before she goes back to uni in a few weeks.
Does he want to swap jobs?
#24
boothy
roryk83
oXdanXo
One question, if he says "stick it" to his boss, what do you think his reference will be like when he trys for another job?


he doesn't need it, hes got loads of great references from similar jobs where the bosses loved him


How many jobs has he had already at 18?

Or were they paper rounds....


He's 19 actually, has been serving on bars for nearly two years now and glass collecting before that
#25
boothy
roryk83
oXdanXo
One question, if he says "stick it" to his boss, what do you think his reference will be like when he trys for another job?


he doesn't need it, hes got loads of great references from similar jobs where the bosses loved him


How many jobs has he had already at 18?

Or were they paper rounds....


Was just about to ask the same question - I am 40, have never been unemployed in my life and have only had 3 jobs!!
#26
tinkerbell28
roryk83
boothy
roryk83
oXdanXo
One question, if he says "stick it" to his boss, what do you think his reference will be like when he trys for another job?
he doesn't need it, hes got loads of great references from similar jobs where the bosses loved him
How many jobs has he had already at 18?Or were they paper rounds....
He's 19 actually, has been serving on bars for nearly two years now and glass collecting before that


Don't make out like he is the dumb one, you have out 18 in your op............


no I know, I didnt mean to imply anything, it was just when I was thinking I relised I got his age wrong
#27
roryk83
boothy
roryk83
oXdanXo
One question, if he says "stick it" to his boss, what do you think his reference will be like when he trys for another job?


he doesn't need it, hes got loads of great references from similar jobs where the bosses loved him


How many jobs has he had already at 18?

Or were they paper rounds....


He's 19 actually, has been serving on bars for nearly two years now and glass collecting before that




I though you had to be 18 to serve alcohol?

Op is this actually you we are talking about?

Edited By: boothy on Aug 20, 2010 18:00: I
#28
boothy
roryk83
boothy
roryk83
oXdanXo
One question, if he says "stick it" to his boss, what do you think his reference will be like when he trys for another job?


he doesn't need it, hes got loads of great references from similar jobs where the bosses loved him


How many jobs has he had already at 18?

Or were they paper rounds....


He's 19 actually, has been serving on bars for nearly two years now and glass collecting before that




I thout you had to be 18 to serve alcohol?


Yeah he's 19 approaching 20, I got his age wrong
#29
lol in b4 there is no cousin and its him
#30
micoo
lol in b4 there is no cousin and its him


haha, I was waiting for someone to say that, nah bro im 27, wish I was approaching 20 again :(
#31
boothy
Ok so if he's approaching 20 how has he been serving behind a bar for 2 years?

He would have been 17 at the time. Amirite?


I said its nearly two years, getting a bit side tracked here

Edited By: roryk83 on Aug 20, 2010 18:02: correction
#32
Something smells fishy here........and its not the salmon i am having for tea
#33
Typical generation Y (the trophy generation) - I should be able to do what I like cos I'm special! I am seeing this more and more from this generation.

Sorry, no sympathy from me. It's a part of the uniform and in the rules so suck it.

Dave
#34
A lot of people seem to be saying its typical teenage behaviour, to be honest I don't know any teenagers who have just walked out on a job or being really unreasonable in work place incidents and I have quite a few younger relations
banned#35
Sounds like a cocky little git who doesn´t deserve a job.

He goes home rather than wear a tie!! Give me a break.
#36
I thought lots of uni students were finding it difficult to get part time jobs in the current econmic climate.
#37
roryk83
oXdanXo
One question, if he says "stick it" to his boss, what do you think his reference will be like when he trys for another job?
he doesn't need it, hes got loads of great references from similar jobs where the bosses loved him

By law, you have to give your last job as a refernece (think it's the last 2 jobs.) So he can't pretend this job never happened.
Also if he's 19, same age as me, it's about time you stopped helping him.

I was 16 when my mum stopped helping me in that department. She said my job was my choice. I've worked at least 15 hours a week since I was 16 that was when I was doing 5 A-levels, but saying that, I'm glad I understood stuff first time in class as I could never revise, and never had time to, that and I always prefered drinking with my mates, and playing videogames.

At the end of the day it's up to him.
Leave the job with respect. Leave the job in style (we all wished we could at one time or another.) Or continue with the job and getting money, when I was 16 I started at Tesco and the money was the main thing.
#38
Tell him to go back and wear his tie round his head in style of Rambo
#39
oXdanXo
roryk83
oXdanXo
One question, if he says "stick it" to his boss, what do you think his reference will be like when he trys for another job?
he doesn't need it, hes got loads of great references from similar jobs where the bosses loved him
By law, you have to give your last job as a refernece (think it's the last 2 jobs.) So he can't pretend this job never happened.Also if he's 19, same age as me, it's about time you stopped helping him.I was 16 when my mum stopped helping me in that department. She said my job was my choice. I've worked at least 15 hours a week since I was 16 that was when I was doing 5 A-levels, but saying that, I'm glad I understood stuff first time in class as I could never revise, and never had time to, that and I always prefered drinking with my mates, and playing videogames.At the end of the day it's up to him.Leave the job with respect. Leave the job in style (we all wished we could at one time or another.) Or continue with the job and getting money, when I was 16 I started at Tesco and the money was the main thing.

really, never had to do that before???? can you show me where it says you Have to give your last reffrence by law???

Also as Op it getting slated atm, just want to ask him a question, When you say Day time uniform, what time did he get sent home and when does daytime finish? i would say 6pm, so maybe he could have worn it until daytime finishes and then take it off and say Mr Manager its not daytime now!
#40
I am a Bar Manager funnily enough and if one of the team that work alongside me decided not to wear their uniform for any reason then I probably would have said the same. However, I personally always ensure I am smarted than the team alongside me thus they can wear tshirts whilst I wear trousers and shirts daily, thus would never feel 'hard done by'.

But as I stated earlier he was given a choice, one to stick to whether it was in his COE or just a house rule re: uniform or go home. Personally in the eyes of a manager he made the wrong decision, but that comes down to the manager as I personally would have handled the problem differently, again we all make mistakes though.

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