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6y, 8m agoPosted 6 years, 8 months ago
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2904652/Boy-of-13-raped-girl-aged-three.html

Mother walked in and caught the boy raping her 3 year old baby. How can anyone do what he did. He didn't even get locked up and only put on the register for 2 and a half year. I would have killed him.
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6y, 8m agoPosted 6 years, 8 months ago
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#1
omg how sick!
[mod]#2
wtf!!!
#3
i really hate reading stuff like that, especially when they are protecting the sicko's because they are under 18. at 13 he deffo knew what he was doing and should be treated exactly how a man would if he had committed the crime. it really makes me sick.
#4
The poor Mother will never be able to get that image out of her head. I wouldn't have let him leave the room...Well I would after I chopped his thing off lol
banned#5
Apparently the boy had a pretty crappy upbringing too, which is in no way a defence but might help one to understand why such a disgusting act may have occurred.
#6
That is pure and simple wrong I wud of killed him serouisly !
#7
Justice system is a joke. 2 half years is ridic.

And before you reply Troll don't bother.
#8
it happens all the time its just that they dont always get put in the news.i was 9 when it happened to me off the babysitter that was 16. and when the police got involved he admitted everything he had done to me and guess what he only got a caution and 2 years later was allowed to go in the army and later got with a woman that had 2 young girls herself. in my eyes he should never of been able to just get his hand slapped and carry on as if he had never done anything. and if anyone ever touched my daughter i would literally kill them.
#9
xbecky07x
That is pure and simple wrong I wud of killed him serouisly !


+1
#10
It is simply disgusting that people get away with it and the courts are protecting them also that boy is evil and I am sorry but just bcos u have had a **** unbringin doesn't mean u r more
likely to go rape a 3 year old or rape any1 for that matter it is disguting and terrifying !
#12
This is sicko. The law here are too lenient on these sicko kids. No matter what background they had, there is no excuse. If they can do this and get away with it so leniently, they will sure do it again. Justice system is defo a joke. I would seriously damage his bits first, then he will remember it for the rest of his life, never to touch little girls again.
#13
Well if it was ur daughter and u walked in and saw this happening would u not go mad

Also I think it is a cuerl and evil act therefore someone who performed that act must be evil themselves

It's the same with the jamie bulgar case was a evil and cruel act therefore the people who did it must be evil and twisted

Do you not agree x

or are you one of these people who believe in the justice system?
#14
there will be another one soon, i have heard that a 5 year old girl was raped in Somerset by a 12 year old boy , AND the girls brother stood there watching. this was this weekend!!!!

but im sure that he will be well looked after and the girl and her family forgotten about, this country sucks and i cant get out, and weve got an election to vote in a choice of 2 parties exactly the same . ( greedy pigs at the trough)
#15
Just read the report its in Blackpool. Omg!
banned#16
xbecky07x
Well if it was ur daughter and u walked in and saw this happening would u not go mad

Also I think it is a cuerl and evil act therefore someone who performed that act must be evil themselves

It's the same with the jamie bulgar case was a evil and cruel act therefore the people who did it must be evil and twisted

Do you not agree x

or are you one of these people who believe in the justice system?


You're using emotion now to cloud any intellectual debate. The justice system is blind but of course if it were my daughter I'd be incandescent with rage. Anyone would. It's a pointless question to ask.

What I'm asking is if someone is born innately evil, or are they the product of their environment?

And for the umpteenth time I feel I have to point out that this in no way excuses him of what he did.

But wouldn't it nice to look at ways of stopping it happening in future, rather than writing poorly-constructed rants each time it does?
#17
But wouldn't it nice to look at ways of stopping it happening in future, rather than writing poorly-constructed rants each time it does?


BRING BACK CAPITAL PUNISHMENT
STOCKS for minor crimes so you can be viewed publicly in nearest Town
AND PRISONS THAT ARE PRISONS NOT HOTELS, it supposed to be a deterrent not a better way of life with more mod cons than they have a home.


and we wonder why this country is the pits, too many middle class do gooders unaware of the real world,
LETS LOOK AT HUNTLEY
it costs £1 million a year to keep him in prison, a bullet costs 10p just think of the savings. plus would he have done it if he knew he would be executed by the state
banned#18
compo
But wouldn't it nice to look at ways of stopping it happening in future, rather than writing poorly-constructed rants each time it does?


BRING BACK CAPITAL PUNISHMENT
STOCKS for minor crimes so you can be viewed publicly in nearest Town
AND PRISONS THAT ARE PRISONS NOT HOTELS, it supposed to be a deterrent not a better way of life with more mod cons than they have a home.


and we wonder why this country is the pits, too many middle class do gooders unaware of the real world,
LETS LOOK AT HUNTLEY
it costs £1 million a year to keep him in prison, a bullet costs 10p just think of the savings. plus would he have done it if he knew he would be executed by the state


You'll get a few people who will agree with you, because it's often these type of 'reactions' that attract a bit of support.

Unfortunately, in the 'real-world' they don't actually work as a deterrent. In fact, they serve only to feed our baser instincts and obscure any real good from being done.

I also love the way the phrase 'do-gooder' has been turned into some form of insult, as if 'doing good' is unnatural or 'bad' in some way. People really do need to think what they're typing sometimes.
banned#19
FilthAndFurry
You'll get a few people who will agree with you, because it's often these type of 'reactions' that attract a bit of support.

Unfortunately, in the 'real-world' they don't actually work as a deterrent. In fact, they serve only to feed our baser instincts and obscure any real good from being done.

I also love the way the phrase 'do-gooder' has been turned into some form of insult, as if 'doing good' is unnatural or 'bad' in some way. People really do need to think what they're typing sometimes.


Saving money is enough reason for me.

We are in a recession the world is over-populated.

Bring the death sentence on :thumbsup:
#20
plus would he have done it if he knew he would be executed by the state


probably, just look at amercia
#21
I was just pointing out the fact that in my opinion this was an evil act of man kind. I agree that somthing should be done, but what would you like me to suggest yes the death pently would make people think twice but in acts such as these surerly the person would commit the crime anyways no matter punishment?

I do not ethier agree or disagree with the death pentaly as one above poster put yer it would be cheaper but it the other hand an eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.

I just think that the justice system needs to sort it's
self out and maybe millions wouldn't be spent if it was just a basic cell with basic funtions not all this sky tv u read about.
banned#22
DLM
Saving money is enough reason for me.

We are in a recession the world is over-populated.

Bring the death sentence on :thumbsup:


It's funny that you would probably have found a willing supporter in the worst serial killer this country has known.

Personally, I think life imprisonment is a much tougher sentence than the death penalty.
banned#23
xbecky07x
I was just pointing out the fact that in my opinion this was an evil act of man kind.


What Hitler did was the act of an evil man, but you can trace his progression from where he started to where he ended. You can also see ways in which his rise to power may well have been halted.

What I'm saying is that it's easy to sit in judgment after these terrible acts have been committed.

What is perhaps more taxing, is to look at the reasons they happen in the hopes of preventing them in the future.
#24
FilthAndFurry
It's funny that you would probably have found a willing supporter in the worst serial killer this country has known.

Personally, I think life imprisonment is a much tougher sentence than the death penalty.




I don't nesseracy agree with this image u r going to die tomorrow no hope no nothing and the thoughts that must run through your hand surely this realization is worse then prison x
#25
FilthAndFurry
What Hitler did was the act of an evil man, but you can trace his progression from where he started to where he ended. You can also see ways in which his rise to power may well have been halted.

What I'm saying is that it's easy to sit in judgment after these terrible acts have been committed.

What is perhaps more taxing, is to look at the reasons they happen in the hopes of preventing them in the future.




Fair enough I do agree with that but we can only look back once a crime is commited fair enough we understand why it was but surely the time and effort should be put into preventing such crimes x
#26
Doesn't the reoffending rate kind of tell you that prison doesn't work?

I'm afraid it's death or very hard labour for them IMO, I don't care if it works or not I'd feel better knowing I didn't ever have to worry about people like this ever again.

F&F please don't reply to me as I am not interested in your persistant trolling.

Why should that kid that killed the teacher in London ever see daylight again?

I'd like to see statistics for these sort of crimes in the countries with seemingly harsh sentences such as Dubai etc.
banned#27
xbecky07x
I don't nesseracy agree with this image u r going to die tomorrow no hope no nothing and the thoughts that must run through your hand surely this realization is worse then prison x


If the death penalty were introduced, the safeguards needed in terms of secure convictions would inflate the cost of trials and appeals so the savings wouldn't be as great as one might imagine.

There's also the question of having a totally safe conviction, which even with things like DNA evidence are still impossible to guarantee 100% of the time.

That alone makes it a non-starter in my opinion.
#28
greg_68
Doesn't the reoffending rate kind of tell you that prison doesn't work?

I'd like to see statistics for these sort of crimes in the countries with seemingly harsh sentences such as Dubai etc.


argeed :) x
#29
FilthAndFurry
If the death penalty were introduced, the safeguards needed in terms of secure convictions would inflate the cost of trials and appeals so the savings wouldn't be as great as one might imagine.

There's also the question of having a totally safe conviction, which even with things like DNA evidence are still impossible to guarantee 100% of the time.

That alone makes it a non-starter in my opinion.




But at the end of the day I was stating that wudnt the thought of u dying be a much harsher punshment then a few weeks in a cushy prision x
banned#30
xbecky07x
But at the end of the day I was stating that wudnt the thought of u dying be a much harsher punshment then a few weeks in a cushy prision x


No. We're talking about the lifelong removal of one's freedom against the respite of a quick death.

If death is worse, why do so many lifers try and commit suicide?
1 Like #31
People seem to look in everything in isolation.
We have this thread, where loads of posters want to kills a child for committing a violent sexual act, then we have another thread where posters want to have a laugh about a women having a xray picture taken of her without her permission.

Granted these are very different levels of offense, but it seems to me that a 13 year old being told it's just a big joke and something anyone should do given half the chance will be that little bit less respectful of another persons right to their own space. Now most will not go on to do what this one did, but some will force a girl that is insecure or slightly too drunk to know what she is doing. Others will just be all hands to women around them, others will just take an xray and then try and make them feel small by talking about like they are a lump of meat.

It's about time people stopped jumping all over these horrific stories and started joining the dots.
#32
How does this teen not know the difference between right and wrong? Is it his upbringing or does his mind just work that way? Steps need to be taken to tackle the route of the problem before thing like this can happen.

The justice system in this country is awful, what happened to this country? =\

Also, one thing, how did this guy get in the house btw?
#33
xbecky07x
I don't nesseracy agree with this image u r going to die tomorrow no hope no nothing and the thoughts that must run through your hand surely this realization is worse then prison x


no, if i had to choose one or the other, id rather die tomorrow than spend life in a cell, most would i think
#34
Jammy1812
How does this teen not know the difference between right and wrong? Is it his upbringing or does his mind just work that way? Steps need to be taken to tackle the route of the problem before thing like this can happen.

The justice system in this country is awful, what happened to this country? =\

Also, one thing, how did this guy get in the house btw?


Some kids are naturally sexually deviant like this. I bet most people have heard of a local kid who used to **** the family dog. It's just the way it is, kids discover that their willy can be lots of fun to play with, and while most don't get beyond cracking one off the wrist, but some go further, and then anything can be a target. Dogs, sofas, pillows, food, whatever. It's not often that a small child becomes target, since most people aren't that mentally deficient, but it happens.

Personally, I don't think the kid is evil. Just extremely confused, and I think counselling is probably the best thing for him.
#35
Where the hell do the sun get these amazingly disturbing stories from. Surely this is fabricated?
#36
Why do I keep seeing people referring to prison as 'cushy' or a 'holiday camp'?

Have any of you actually been to prison or know anything about them besides what you've read in the Sun? I haven't so I'm not going to preach about how bad it is but if you ask anyone who has, I'm sure you'll find its not quite how the papers portray it - as a holiday. Re-offending rates are surely not down to prison being 'easy' but more because their rehabilitation treatment/eduction courses are not up to scratch and that short term prisoners get mixed up with 'hardcore' criminals who influence them in a bad way.

And people thinking that the death penalty is a cheap option are misinformed. You obviously don't realise that it isn't a case of being tried, found guilty then put to death a week later - you spend years and years in prison awaiting your execution whilst appeals are heard (something very costly!).
The one thing I have against the death penalty is that it irreversible. If you kill an innocent man, there's no going back on that but if you sentence an innocent man to life in prison, that can be reversed if he is later found to be innocent. And you can't be so ignorant to think miscarriages of justice don't happen - just because the papers don't report them doesn't mean it doesn't go on.
#37
I partly agree with you F+F the think is the prisons in this country are too cushy and the reality is that if you do get locked up for "life" in reality it is less than 16 years. If the prisons were like some of the US prisons, that would be a much more daunting prospect.

Oldmanhouse: working in a school and before this a college we have ex offenders who have come in and said how easy the life is in prison. but they also explianed the downsides you dont hear about in papers and of course what it feels like, but the bottom line is they ARE easy. the cost of their meals is significantly higher than the average secondary school hot meal.

But agreed on the death penalty front. its not cheap at all due to the extra lengths you have to go to to secure the conviction.
#38
FilthAndFurry
You'll get a few people who will agree with you, because it's often these type of 'reactions' that attract a bit of support.

Unfortunately, in the 'real-world' they don't actually work as a deterrent. In fact, they serve only to feed our baser instincts and obscure any real good from being done.

I also love the way the phrase 'do-gooder' has been turned into some form of insult, as if 'doing good' is unnatural or 'bad' in some way. People really do need to think what they're typing sometimes.


do-gooder is an insult because they do more harm to society than good but in their misguided beliefs they think they are helping, getting thieves, murders and child killers out of prison is wrong about 85% of people in prison re-offend. why because they are not punished enough to prevent them from returning. we have drunks and druggies committing crimes trying to get caught so they can spend the winter months in prison where it is warm and they get three meals a day and do eff all. what a deterrent!!!!!!

plus i have never heard of an executed man re-commiting any offence, it works. and acts as a deterrent to others
banned#39
compo
do-gooder is an insult because they do more harm to society than good but in their misguided beliefs they think they are helping, getting thieves, murders and child killers out of prison is wrong about 85% of people in prison re-offend. why because they are not punished enough to prevent them from returning. we have drunks and druggies committing crimes trying to get caught so they can spend the winter months in prison where it is warm and they get three meals a day and do eff all. what a deterrent!!!!!!

plus i have never heard of an executed man re-commiting any offence, it works. and acts as a deterrent to others


Have you heard of executed men and men on death row being found innocent?

Where do yo get your facts and figures on it acting as a deterrent?
#40
Jetpac
I partly agree with you F+F the think is the prisons in this country are too cushy and the reality is that if you do get locked up for "life" in reality it is less than 16 years. If the prisons were like some of the US prisons, that would be a much more daunting prospect.

Oldmanhouse: working in a school and before this a college we have ex offenders who have come in and said how easy the life is in prison. but they also explianed the downsides you dont hear about in papers and of course what it feels like, but the bottom line is they ARE easy. the cost of their meals is significantly higher than the average secondary school hot meal.

But agreed on the death penalty front. its not cheap at all due to the extra lengths you have to go to to secure the conviction.


Fair enough if you've heard that first hand from someone whos been inside. I guess it depends on the prison you go to (i.e. low security prison full of small time offenders or high security prison full of nutters) and the crime you committed. A child rapist certainly isn't going to have an easy time of it - just look at Ian Huntley - he's been attacked severely on a few occasions, clearly for the type of crime he committed. Not that i'm sympathysing with him, not one bit.

And I agree with you about the length of a life sentence - it should be life, until you die. If such a sentence were to be brought in, it'd only go to the worst of the worst and most other crimes would incur an x years sentence.

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