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When did u stop believing?

dean3988 Avatar
8y, 3d agoPosted 8 years, 3 days ago
fatty crimbo?

Mine was when my dad said he would set up his video camera to record movement, so on christmas day, we plug the camera into the TV and played the footage back, and it was this person in a red suit all fat with a beard, I was fooled! so anyway a week later I went back to the video and watched it about 5 times, And What looked like "father christmas" dissapearing into the chimey, was my dad crouching and hiding under the chair, Plus as i looked closer, I see that father christmas had a bump on his nose, quiet similar to my dads, so yah. I stoped believing at 10.
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#1
stop believing what?
#2
after i read this thread.....





congrats.....




first life changing one yet
#3
My daughter got told last year by her teacher!!!:x
Age 9
They were discussing mythological/fantasy people/creatures. i.e .fairies leprachauns dragons, and one put their hand up and said Santa,so said teacher promptly wrote it on the board under mythological and continued with the lesson. My daughter was heart broken.

:viking: I was hopping mad...
Grrrr
*Sparkle*
#4
Don't remember... I always doubted the world around me and so lots of things disappeared quite early on... I remember noticing that not everyone had an open fire and something didn't quite make sense...

Father Christmas, Easter Bunny, fairies, angels, God...

I don't understand why a magic man delivering presents is special or good really? Why not appreciate the human kindness and generousity around you rather than trying to be good to impress some fat dude that breaks into your house once a year!
#5
sparkleworld
My daughter got told last year by her teacher!!!:x
Age 9
They were discussing mythological/fantasy people/creatures. i.e .fairies leprachauns dragons, and one put their hand up and said Santa,so said teacher promptly wrote it on the board under mythological and continued with the lesson. My daughter was heart broken.

:viking: I was hopping mad...
Grrrr
*Sparkle*


Why is it good to believe in the imaginary? Not a good model for life is it?
#6
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Father Christmas, Easter Bunny, fairies, angels, God...



Finally.......a single thread to keep me entertained for the rest of the day :thumbsup:
#7
no such thing as Father Christmas?
Next thing you'll be saying the world isn't flat
#8
MinstrelMan
Finally.......a single thread to keep me entertained for the rest of the day :thumbsup:


LMAO! :)
#9
c'mon............ where the religious folk when you need them?
#10
jellybaby22
Fairies arent real?? U sure ??


As sure as I can be. Obviously it is impossible to disprove the imaginary. Fairies may exist but I live my life on the assumption that they are not real without any negative effect.

I've never seen one or felt the effect of one and I see no evidence in reality that suggests they exist.
1 Like #11
MinstrelMan
c'mon............ where the religious folk when you need them?


Again, LMAO!

"God is dead and we killed him"
#12
Babbabooey
no such thing as Father Christmas?
Next thing you'll be saying the world isn't flat


UMMM
#13
[email protected]
Again, LMAO!

"God is dead and we killed him"


:lol: uber repped

not becuase I nessecerily agree (dislaimer there) just for having the minerals for the text based hand granade......

**** like that leads to wars you know. :thumbsup:
#14
jellybaby22
Popcorn at the ready..although I think its too quiet in here today......hopefully...one will be passing hukd on the way to welovethebible.com and bingo..we will have a thread.....:-D


I heard bingo is the work of the devil
#15
My kids are 23. 21. 16........... they all hang up their stocking so it must be real.!!!!
#16
MinstrelMan
:lol: uber repped

not becuase I nessecerily agree (dislaimer there) just for having the minerals for the text based hand granade......

**** like that leads to wars you know. :thumbsup:


I'm just in one of those moods today and my long standing religious thread on another forum has gone quiet! :)
#17
Everyone knows MinstrelMan is a massive atheist! :) And no, I is not saying you is fat.
#18
[email protected]
I'm just in one of those moods today and my long standing religious thread on another forum has gone quiet! :)


lucky for you one has just appeared on here...... you must make friends wherever you go :lol:
#19
My parents never let me believe in Santa... said it was cruel to get your kids to believe in stuff that's not real and then break their hearts later.... so I was one of the kids that wasted Christmas by telling them that their parents brought them the presents not santa lol
#20
angelwithdirtyw
My parents never let me believe in Santa... said it was cruel to get your kids to believe in stuff that's not real and then break their hearts later.... so I was one of the kids that wasted Christmas by telling them that their parents brought them the presents not santa lol


I would have to agree.
#21
MinstrelMan
lucky for you one has just appeared on here...... you must make friends wherever you go :lol:


Nah, nobody's taking the bait :) :thumbsup:
#22
[email protected]
As sure as I can be. Obviously it is impossible to disprove the imaginary. Fairies may exist but I live my life on the assumption that they are not real without any negative effect.

I've never seen one or felt the effect of one and I see no evidence in reality that suggests they exist.

OK!! for one have you never seen peter pan..I mean COME ON!!! TINKERBELL!!!!
[email protected]
Again, LMAO!

"God is dead and we killed him"


Also we didnt kill god the two kids in the golden compass killed him!!! GET IT RIGHT MATEY :thumbsup:
#23
Stopped believing in Santa at age of 9. Someone told me and I confronted my parents who admitted the lie. Stopped believing in 'god' when I was about 12, but one of my parents still holds on to that lie :)

And btw, I is not fat neither.
#24
jellybaby22
Fairies arent real?? U sure ??


I'll have you know I'm very real.
#25
I still believe cos i want my kids to enjoy a magical time of year. I hear what people are saying about the lie - but kids are kids. My young girls, do believe in Santa, Fairies, Easter Bunny - but for my eldest it will be her last year. I feel sad for her.

I am only too pleased to let my kids partake in what is a very exiting time for them. Yes it is completely ott - but do you deprive them of it. ? Personally I think there is far too much sh*t going on around them to be miserable and take the magic away from them. My opinion.
#26
Rockhound
I still believe cos i want my kids to enjoy a magical time of year. I hear what people are saying about the lie - but kids are kids. My young girls, do believe in Santa, Fairies, Easter Bunny - but for my eldest it will be her last year. I feel sad for her.

I am only too pleased to let my kids partake in what is a very exiting time for them. Yes it is completely ott - but do you deprive them of it. ? Personally I think there is far too much sh*t going on around them to be miserable and take the magic away from them. My opinion.


Isn't it more rewarding and special if they know that the people around them have done everything? The presents are from friends and family and you thank them for that.

Saying Santa does everything means they have a very warped view of Christmas - I think the truth is much more important that them thinking that something magical is going on... If you don't agree then why don't you keep it up all year long?

Cars run on fairy dust and computers are powered by pure faith? Children are programmed to believe what you tell them... lying, even if you think that they'll like it, is wrong.

"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact than a drunken man is happier than a sober one" -George Bernard Shaw
#27
scotland88
OK!! for one have you never seen peter pan..I mean COME ON!!! TINKERBELL!!!!


Also we didnt kill god the two kids in the golden compass killed him!!! GET IT RIGHT MATEY :thumbsup:


That wasn't about religion - it was about the Magesterium... :cough:

http://russellsteapot.com/images/comics/2007/Image093.jpg

This is the actual translate of Nietzsche:

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?
#28
I just need to add : THIS IS ALL IN MY OPINION.

Some people become confused and think that when I state something it has actually become a fact. LOL!

There's no need to attack it as if this is the way the world operates - I just happen to think it would be better if Santa and other imaginary contructs were not passed on to the next generation.

We can have a conversation, a debate, you present WHY you think this is good and I present WHY I think it is bad - we can compromise or not.

If anyone gets angry then I'm out! You, the angry-thoughtless, are not worth discussing anything with.
#29
[email protected]
I just need to add : THIS IS ALL IN MY OPINION.

Some people become confused and think that when I state something it has actually become a fact. LOL!

There's no need to attack it as if this is the way the world operates - I just happen to think it would be better if Santa and other imaginary contructs were not passed on to the next generation.

We can have a conversation, a debate, you present WHY you think this is good and I present WHY I think it is bad - we can compromise or not.

If anyone gets angry then I'm out! You, the angry-thoughtless, are not worth discussing anything with.


I'm angry because you're ruining Christmas for this 21 year old girl!
#30
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I
If anyone gets angry then I'm out! You, the angry-thoughtless, are not worth discussing anything with.


unless its for pure entertainment.
#31
[email protected]
Isn't it more rewarding and special if they know that the people around them have done everything? The presents are from friends and family and you thank them for that.

Saying Santa does everything means they have a very warped view of Christmas - I think the truth is much more important that them thinking that something magical is going on... If you don't agree then why don't you keep it up all year long?

Cars run on fairy dust and computers are powered by pure faith? Children are programmed to believe what you tell them... lying, even if you think that they'll like it, is wrong.

"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact than a drunken man is happier than a sober one" -George Bernard Shaw


Nope -.:p Santa delivers the pressies. Not all are from him - a lot are from family too. Until Xmas is done away with, and all the nonsense that goes with it i do not see why my young kids cant have a little bit of magic.
#32
MinstrelMan
unless its for pure entertainment.


stirrer ! :p
#33
Rockhound
Nope -.:p Santa delivers the pressies. Not all are from him - a lot are from family too. Until Xmas is done away with, and all the nonsense that goes with it i do not see why my young kids cant have a little bit of magic.


I'm interested in why you don't make things up all year long? This is your children's happiness we're talking about!
#34
Rockhound
i do not see why my young kids cant have a little bit of magic.


I have to agree, I said the other day children loose their innocense too early these days and I hope that when my little one grows up she'll appreciate that it was harder to keep the charade going on than it was to explain the truth not that her 20 month old brain could comprehend it yet, a white lie to see the happiness on her face for a few more years will keep it bareable for those time where she's stealing from my wallet. :thumbsup:
#35
[email protected]
I'm interested in why you don't make things up all year long? This is your children's happiness we're talking about!


There's a lot of difference between giving your kids a few magical beings (ie Santa, tooth fairy, Easter Bunny) to believe in throughout the year and lying to them all the time.
#36
Personally the idea of Santa is disturbing in so many ways. What when your childen ask about the third world.
For example:
"Do the African children get presents, mummy?"
"Why not?"

etc...

You can get those questions at anytime- I can certainly remember thinking them...
#37
angelfairee
There's a lot of difference between giving your kids a few magical beings (ie Santa, tooth fairy, Easter Bunny) to believe in throughout the year and lying to them all the time.


Not if they believe it all the time.

Their world has these beings present all the time. Kids can contruct enough in their own minds without adults passing on the lies that they think are natural because their parents lied to them.

Why pass it on?
#38
[email protected]
Not if they believe it all the time.

Their world has these beings present all the time. Kids can contruct enough in their own minds without adults passing on the lies that they think are natural because their parents lied to them.

Why pass it on?


It's not like they're going to believe it all their lives. I think the majority of people on here have once believed in Santa or the tooth fairy or whatever, and most of us are reasonably balanced individuals and don't feel like we've been betrayed by our parents when we find out that these things aren't real.

As you said, kids will make up things in their own minds, so what's the harm in adding a few more magical things for them to enjoy whilst they are still innocent and able to enjoy their lives without the worries that others bear when they're older/more aware of the world around them.

I understand what you're saying about kids asking about children in Africa and whether they get presents, but unfortunately there's always going to be some kind of imbalance throughout the world and it will always be unfair. I don't think that letting your children benefit from an imaginary present-bearer is going to make them any less adjusted to the woes of the world once they're old enough to understand them, but they don't need to know from the start of their lives that so many horrible things happen in the world.
#39
angelfairee
but they don't need to know from the start of their lives that so many horrible things happen in the world.



Do you think awareness and knowledge are a burden? I'd rather have known the truth right from the beginning. I think parents that tell children about X imaginary contruct are setting themselves up for difficult conversations when the real state of the world is revealled as well as making things thoroughly confusing and potentially embarrassing for the child- like in the example another post made about learning in a lesson at school - exposing child to bullying etc etc..

I don't think that pretending that the world operates in this way is in the child's best interests - maybe we'd all be better adjusted if we didn't have a Santa- many countries don't- does this mean they are less happy or is this particular invention one that nobody dares to question?
#40
[email protected]
Do you think awareness and knowledge are a burden? I'd rather have known the truth right from the beginning. I think parents that tell children about X imaginary contruct are setting themselves up for difficult conversations when the real state of the world is revealled as well as making things thoroughly confusing and potentially embarrassing for the child- like in the example another post made about learning in a lesson at school - exposing child to bullying etc etc..


I'm not saying children should be shielded from everything and made to think that the world is a perfect magical scenario, but I see no reason why, for example, this would happen:

"Now Tommy, I know you're only 4 but do you realise that whilst your little friends are celebrating Christmas, there are people dying all over the world - people who are just like you. What's that? No Tommy, I can't tell you why it's happening. No Tommy, you can't do anything about it, it's just the way the world is."

I don't know where I'm going with this, I've gone off on a strange tangent. The point I was trying to make which you're trying to twist into me claiming that children shouldn't know about the world is that children deserve the magic of Christmas. Hell, even I would take the magic of Christmas over knowing what's going on in the world at the moment, because it's not pretty. I'm not being ignorant or saying I don't want to know about the world's issues, just that I would take a fantastical break from it all for a month if I had the choice.

[email protected]
I don't think that pretending that the world operates in this way is in the child's best interests - maybe we'd all be better adjusted if we didn't have a Santa- many countries don't- does this mean they are less happy or is this particular invention one that nobody dares to question?


I don't know, are they less happy? Do you know? Have you lived/grown up in all of these countries? I'm not one to make that judgement or make any assumptions, because I don't know what happens and what beliefs every single person has in every single country in the world.

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