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banned6y, 11m agoPosted 6 years, 11 months ago
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My youngest plays for a local football team, like many boys his age. (Under 10s) The league is actually spread out over quite a large area, with the game last Sunday having an hour drive to get to. Takes a bit of effort at times, but the last game makes me wonder if its worth the effort.

The game was played against at team currently bottom of the league. They played them earlier in the year and beat them 5-1. The most noteworthy thing was how biased the ref was and some of the very erm.. strange decisions given. (Ever had a penalty given for a back pass before!). Funnily the next game, the opponents manager asked the coach if the ref in that game was a bit dubious.... as they had the same scenario!

Anyway, they had to play them again in a cup game last Sunday. The boys lost the game 3-2, but when you get awarded every decision against you, its difficult to get any other result. Funniliy at one throw in near me, I pointed "yellow ball" since their player tackled and kicked it off. The ref gave it to them. In my frustration I said it loud enough so he could hear "oh come on"... and he proceeded to lecture me that he makes the decisions. Red rag to a bull. I politely suggested he concentrated on getting those decisions correct and to stop cheating.

I know the coach has put in an official complaint about the ref.... who was also coaching as the game was being played.

You can take the odd mistake as being one of those things. I know its not easy to ref a game, though its very easy to cheat.

Is this very common?

What would you do as a parent if your child played for a team that clearly had these "helping hands"

How would you cope from the touchline if your kids were on the receiving end? Could you keep quite.... or run on the pitch and chin the ref?



inb4 "sour grapes"
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banned6y, 11m agoPosted 6 years, 11 months ago
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#1
Mums/Dads at football only ever going to be biased to their little diddums, respect the ref! ;)

Reminds of donkey's years ago, I used to coach a youth cricket team and often had to do the umpiring as well. One game, we needed 10 runs of the last two balls, one of our lads promptly hit a 4 and a 6, and I was running around celebrating and high fiving the batsmen, didn't go down too well with the other team!! ;)
#2
I think we get that referee all the time in our games :p
banned#3
Trickyjabs
Mums/Dads at football only ever going to be biased to their little diddums, respect the ref! ;)


Refs need to earn respect.

I guess you are voting to ignore and accept cheating then?
banned#4
Let the kids kust play the game instead of giving out at the sidelines. Should also be teaching the kid to respect the ref even if they are woeful as lessons learned in respect when younger will go a long way in later years
#5
Simples :thumbsup:.......but proceed with caution.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayWRlJYbp3k&feature=related
#6
A lesson in life for young guv.......life ain't fair,some folk are numpties and sh!t happens!!;-)

Think this bloke may have been the linesman at Craven Cottage tuesday night though!!:x
banned#7
bassman_uk
I think we get that referee all the time in our games :p


haha..... Yeh, I know what you mean! :p

Nah, I'm talking about blatant cheating, not dodgy calls.

In one attack, our lads had one player in their area, surrounded by four. He was in possession and about to shoot and the ref blows for a foul. There had been zero contact. Its blatant cheating.
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Paddy Charlie
Let the kids kust play the game instead of giving out at the sidelines. Should also be teaching the kid to respect the ref even if they are woeful as lessons learned in respect when younger will go a long way in later years


Apparently, this is English.
banned#9
Trickyjabs
Apparently, this is English.


Oh no I haven't used the correct grammer on an internet forum how am I going to live with myself!! I'm off to cry myself to sleep
#10
I have seen that referee at Weymouth this season!
#11
guv
haha..... Yeh, I know what you mean! :p

Nah, I'm talking about blatant cheating, not dodgy calls.

In one attack, our lads had one player in their area, surrounded by four. He was in possession and about to shoot and the ref blows for a foul. There had been zero contact. Its blatant cheating.


If enough people complain to the local FA, I'm guessing some sort of assessment would have to take place of said crap referee.

Bet you wanted him at the game last night though :whistling:
banned#12
Paddy Charlie
Let the kids kust play the game instead of giving out at the sidelines. Should also be teaching the kid to respect the ref even if they are woeful as lessons learned in respect when younger will go a long way in later years


To be fair, at that level, all our games are played pretty honestly. If the ref makes a mistake in "our favour" he's told. Of course we've seen "homer" refs before, just nothing remotely as bad as this.


transit
Simples :thumbsup:.......but proceed with caution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayWRlJYbp3k&feature=related


Haha........ classic.

muckypup
A lesson in life for young guv.......life ain't fair,some folk are numpties and sh!t happens!!;-)

Think this bloke may have been the linesman at Craven Cottage tuesday night though!!:x


Absolutely...... the game played on and the ref got what he wanted. And the kids came off saying "he should have gone to spec savers (seriously - which was highly amusing - but not good, since they knew just as well what had just happened.)
#13
guv
Refs need to earn respect.

I guess you are voting to ignore and accept cheating then?


NO They don't.

You respect the ref no matter what, ESPECIALLY in youth sport.
Now i couldn't care if he got every decision wrong + a couple that doesn't change anything.

There are other ways and means of dealing with bad referees, berating them on the pitch in front of children is not the way to set an example irrespective of how bad he is.

I'm a teacher as well as a youth coach in several sports and it irritates me profusely to see people setting bad examples. Infact i was refereeing a year 10 match last night at school and i not happy with the way the opposition coach was speaking to me, in spite of me refereeing fairly (which also meant many decisions went their way, due to a bad game from our boys) and they won 5-1. he was setting a terrible example to very impressionable youths.
#14
These kind of "Home Town Ref's" were a common occurance when i played a good 10 years ago now the only way to do something about them unfortunately is try remind the idiot in the middle he/she is cheating Kids...I also remember reporting to the FA did sod all to fix it until one game we recorded the game on camera....and sent it to FA along with telling all other managers in the league to follow suite...funnily enough the decisions weren't always the one way from then...may be worth a shot...
banned#15
bassman_uk
If enough people complain to the local FA, I'm guessing some sort of assessment would have to take place of said crap referee.

Bet you wanted him at the game last night though :whistling:


At that level, the refs are always just the parents usually from the home team. That said, his opening game for the club, was none other than Steve Bennett. (I had no complaints of his standards!)

Didnt see anything from last nights game, apart from the stats. Was there dodgy decisions? I hate cheating, so i'd not want to win anything through a lie.
banned#16
guv
To be fair, at that level, all our games are played pretty honestly. If the ref makes a mistake in "our favour" he's told. Of course we've seen "homer" refs before, just nothing remotely as bad as this.



The ref prob thinks that he can get away with it because its kids games and he won't get too much aggro for it. If he was to do it in a Sunday League game with some pub teams he'd prob get a slap (although you were prob close to doing that yourself)

Just report him and suggest to other teams that he has been unfair againist to report as well.
#17
bring a knife with you to the next game, show him whos boss
banned#18
Jetpac
NO They don't.


From me they do.

You respect the ref no matter what, ESPECIALLY in youth sport.
Now i couldn't care if he got every decision wrong + a couple that doesn't change anything.


i have zero problems with refs making mistakes. It happens. I'm sure i've made mistakes when I've reffed. But I've never cheated and never would.

There are other ways and means of dealing with bad referees, berating them on the pitch in front of children is not the way to set an example irrespective of how bad he is.


Berating? he rather foolishly challenged me for saying "oh come on". The fact he did indicates to me that he knew that I knew what he had done and was aimed at him. Suggesting he doesn't cheat isn't berating in my eyes, but there ya go.

I'm a teacher as well as a youth coach in several sports and it irritates me profusely to see people setting bad examples. Infact i was refereeing a year 10 match last night at school and i not happy with the way the opposition coach was speaking to me, in spite of me refereeing fairly (which also meant many decisions went their way, due to a bad game from our boys) and they won 5-1. he was setting a terrible example to very impressionable youths.


LOL.... so this ref was setting a good example?
banned#19
Paddy Charlie
The ref prob thinks that he can get away with it because its kids games and he won't get too much aggro for it. If he was to do it in a Sunday League game with some pub teams he'd prob get a slap (although you were prob close to doing that yourself)

Just report him and suggest to other teams that he has been unfair againist to report as well.


As I mentioned, he has been reported and I hope the coach has contacted some of the other coaches to do the same if they've had the same experience. To be honest, I never expected to ever see anything as bad as this - which was why I asked the question what would parents do if their kids would do if they played for a team involved with cheating like this. (though I have expected the "ref is right" brigade to give a few lectures.)

bfjem
These kind of "Home Town Ref's" were a common occurance when i played a good 10 years ago now the only way to do something about them unfortunately is try remind the idiot in the middle he/she is cheating Kids...I also remember reporting to the FA did sod all to fix it until one game we recorded the game on camera....and sent it to FA along with telling all other managers in the league to follow suite...funnily enough the decisions weren't always the one way from then...may be worth a shot...


Strangely, I actually thought about that before the game, but thought I might get arrested for being a paedo! Sad times for 9 and 10 year olds!

numptyj
bring a knife with you to the next game, show him whos boss


I refused to cut his half time orange.
#20
guv
LOL.... so this ref was setting a good example?


So he was refereeing badly.
You don't set a good example by abusing him in front of those who are impressionable.
Maybe if we are lucky 1 of the boys playing will grow up to be a referee, more than likely none of them will, but will continue to play football with people refereeing.

This is one of the major issues with football at the moment.
#21
tl;dr
banned#22
Jetpac
So he was refereeing badly.


That is not a description I'd use. He was cheating.

You don't set a good example by abusing him in front of those who are impressionable.


True, you don't. But since I didn't abuse him, you're way off the mark.

Maybe if we are lucky 1 of the boys playing will grow up to be a referee, more than likely none of them will, but will continue to play football with people refereeing.


And I will continue to referee without cheating. You make it sound like a great advert for being a ref "look he's bad..... I'm going to grow up and do better". Seriously, i doubt it's going to happen.

This is one of the major issues with football at the moment.


Wow....... mountain out of a molehill in your accessment?

My thoughts are "I'll not bother taking him any more" - which sounds like in your perspective would be preferable. Cheats do prosper. nice one.:thumbsup:
#23
guv
That is not a description I'd use. He was cheating.



True, you don't. But since I didn't abuse him, you're way off the mark.



And I will continue to referee without cheating. You make it sound like a great advert for being a ref "look he's bad..... I'm going to grow up and do better". Seriously, i doubt it's going to happen.



Wow....... mountain out of a molehill in your accessment?

My thoughts are "I'll not bother taking him any more" - which sounds like in your perspective would be preferable. Cheats do prosper. nice one.:thumbsup:


Im not attempting to get at you here.
Ok abusing may have been a touch strong But challenging a referee during a junior game is a no no.

And no im not making a mountain out of a molehill. The way players treat and speak to referees is appalling at the moment, and this runs right the way down through professional to junior levels.
banned#24
Jetpac
Im not attempting to get at you here.
Ok abusing may have been a touch strong But challenging a referee during a junior game is a no no.


I said "oh come on"...... that could easily have been to one of the lads. The ref chose to take issue. He was correct that it was in his direction, however, if id shouted "oi ref, you need to go to spec savers", then id accept you have a point. He wanted to win at any cost. No one gets my respect in those circumstances.

Sure i've shouted at refs at pro games (who hasn't), at junior games I've always sat back and watched antics of some parents and thought OMG. Ive never raised my voice during one of their games apart from encouragement to the kids - including acknowledging good play from either team.

And no im not making a mountain out of a molehill. The way players treat and speak to referees is appalling at the moment, and this runs right the way down through professional to junior levels.


I'm quite sure players do abuse refs, even at low levels. I'd suggest that is more because of whats shown on TV from our fine upstanding professionals, than from someone disappointed and saying "oh come on".
banned#25
guv

I'm quite sure players do abuse refs, even at low levels. I'd suggest that is more because of whats shown on TV from our fine upstanding professionals, than from someone disappointed and saying "oh come on".


Yep you have to blame the pros for this, easily the biggest influence on children. If I was in charge at Fifa I would make it an instant yellow card if a player spoke out of turn at a referee or started crowding him and getting in his face etc.

Zero tolerance is the only way to sort the beautiful game before it's too late.
banned#26
Thread tidied up a little. Infraction issued to 1 member for trolling. Apologies if I've scooped up any posts containing quotes.
banned#27
aScottishBloke
Thread tidied up a little. Infraction issued to 1 member for trolling. Apologies if I've scooped up any posts containing quotes.



Thank you aSB.
banned#28
guv
Thank you aSB.


I thought he was untouchable?
banned#29
master_chief
I thought he was untouchable?


So did he. If you give them enough rope.......

Right now where were we.... Oh yes...... Steve Bennett is a top ref.:thumbsup:

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