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Why are the jobcentre such prats

ryouga Avatar
9y, 6m agoPosted 9 years, 6 months ago
My flatmate had a 2 week authorised holiday, and whilst he was away, his advisor phoned and asked if he was there, I said no and she said there was a job going would he be interested she said "oh well I will put him down for it anyway"

A few days pass and my friend comes back.

3 weeks later he gets a letter stating he refused to apply for a job(the very one the advisor mentioned which I forgot about) stating they were stopping his money and he had to fill in a form stating WHY he did not reply.

I help him fill out form and say both sides of our story, that he was away, Im his flatmate and the advisor never told me

I went in with him as he's nervous and gets pushed around a lot.

The advisor we spoke to was friendly and agreed that it was strange as he was for 1 marked down as on holiday which exempts him from jobsearch during that time, plus he wasnt even in the same country! he was hundreds of miles away!

Anyway he gets ANOTHER letter today stating "on checking with the jobcentre they have stated an application form and ES12 were posted to you on the 24/05/07 can you give a reason to why you never recieve them?"
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9y, 6m agoPosted 9 years, 6 months ago
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#1
how much Dole do they pay these days ? Must be a good crack if you can afford holidays abroad :0)
#2
lol...
#3
isnt it £18 or somthing.. [or am i on about the wrong thing]
#4
When did I say abroad lol, I said of of the country lol, we're in Scotland he went to his mum in wales, cost £18 return.
#5
Part of the conditions of being on holiday is you cant go abroad, unless you sign off, and you have to be available for work if in the uk, because you are still signed on, you just dont have to physically sign on at the job centre.
Therefore they can send you job offers, just as if you aren't on holiday, you usually have to give a contact number or address were you are staying.
Stupid I know, but thats the rules
#6
Lol well they did have his contact number but phoned our home, must be an admin error but my friends suffereing for it.

The funny thing about this is he was working part time, and the jobcentre forced him to leave to start a New Deal placement then also tried to say he made himself voluntarily unemployed and stopped his cash, great admin.
#7
they pay about £95 every fortnight
#8
ryouga
When did I say abroad lol, I said of of the country lol, we're in Scotland he went to his mum in wales, cost £18 return.



Stop his dole and make him re-apply for JSA.

Maybe it would help to jog both your memories next time.
#9
Sorry that last post was confusing jog both our memories? of what! he never knew he had to apply for a job and never recieved forms to apply.

And all I was told was "theres an admin job going, is he interested" I said "I dont know"

And what has I got to do with anything when its not even my claim.
#10
Your mate forgot what is required to claim JSA and you forgot to mention that the Job Centre had called.


3 weeks later he gets a letter stating he refused to apply for a job(the very one the advisor mentioned which I forgot about) stating they were stopping his money and he had to fill in a form stating WHY he did not reply.
#11
But how did he forget what is required to claim JSA when he didnt know he had to apply for a job? and how did I know he was getting sent a form, how did I know it was even a real phone call.

All the person on phone said was "hello is this the jobcentre, is """"" there, no im his adviser is he interested in an admin job" I reply "im not sure" she replys "oh I will put him down for it anyway"


And what has anything I do got to do with his claim, and even if, why should he suffer for what I forgot to tell him, but again how did I know he had to apply for it.

Anyway thats not the point here, the jobcentre are saying silly things like why didnt the letter turn up which has nothing to do with either of us, so blame the jobcentre/post office not us.
#12
you forgot to blame Blair and Bush. You seem to want to blame everyone else.
#13
Where are you getting all this from?

My argument is valid, they told me (a stranger) about a job for someone else and never told the person they wanted to apply.

Where are you getting all this "Blair and Bush" from, im blaming the admin of the Jobcentre, not the Government, get a grip stop being an ********.

Im angry for my friend, they dont do their job right(the jobcentre before you start) and he suffers as their attitude is "we dont make mistakes"
#14
I'd say all of this is irrelevant if he was marked down as authorised holiday during that time...

Simple.
#15
When you tell them you are going on holiday in the uk you have to fill a form in with all the details, contact number, address etc and sign it to say whilst you are away you are still actively seeking employment and agree that they can contact you if a job comes up that is suitable.
Its nothing to do with you, but he broke the terms, so he loses the dosh. You cant get around it.
Also, he can put down any number and person as a contact for him, he must have put you down.

On the other note about they forced him to leave part time work, They cannot do that, just like they can't force you to take a job. They will tell you these things, but you can refuse because they are not compulsery. But if you haven't read up enough, you just think what they are saying is true.

I had a spell on JSA (can you tell?) and it is a joke. I was desperate for a job, but they dont care. It is so simple to ride the system, its unbelieveable.
#16
Well the point is, IF he knew he had a job to apply for he would have, hes the sort of person who applys for every job he is given, even cleaning, road sweeping, admin everything he can find, so because he didnt fill in 1 form he didnt even recieve or know about it isnt fair.

And its not fair if they had his contact number and they phoned wrong one.

Yeah I know the rules, but what I know is if he refuses to leave part time work, they will stop his cash, they did it for me when I was signing on 5 years go and was part time at university and they claimed I was getting a grant, and I said I wasnt, they twisted my words lol.

Again what I mean is they had his holiday name and adress, phone number and his mobile number and they contact me! who has nothing to do with his claim and give me his details(asked me who I was and confirmed my flatmates address and phone number in front of me)

Again the point is why should he be punished for not applying for a job he didnt know about and if he did he would have applied.
#17
because YOU failed to tell him. He must have put you down as a contact, and YOU failed him. It is YOUR fault.
simple
#18
Nope I wasnt a contact, did you get the words im his FLATMATE, so we have the same home number.

And why should I fail him, the jobvcentre shouldnt rely on a stranger to pass info onto someone for them, in not a answer phone.

I have nothing to do with his claim so me being blaimed should not be used against him, what if they accidently contacted someone down the road and gave them details.

And even if he gave me as his contact, I never gave permission nor signed anything to say I am responsible, why should either of us be blamed for that.
#19
the clue's in the bit were you said
"And even if he gave me as his contact, I never gave permission nor signed anything to say I am responsible, why should either of us be blamed for that."

If he gave you as his contact, then you are both responsible.
When he signed his holiday form (did he?) he is saying all the details on the form are correct. It is assumed he asked your permission, its not upto the job centre to check.
If he didn't tell you, he is at fault.
Either way, theres no getting away from it.
Just tell him to do a rapid resign and he should only lose his 'holiday pay'
#20
Again read what I said, "he never gave me as his contact"

We have THE SAME PHONE NUMBER AS WE ARE FLATMATES! sorry for the caps just thought id mention that.

And he never gave my/our landline number on his holiday form, he put his mums number(where he was)

The advisor didnt realise he was on holiday and phoned the home address NOT the holiday address number so its the jobcentre at fault.

Again at no point did he put me down as a contact, why would he?

As fpr sauomg im responsible, so say someone I dont know gets a credit card, and finds my name somehow, and puts me down as a person of contact, then becomes £1000 in debt, by that reckoning im responsible as the credit card people assumed I knew

And the advisor never asked my name she went "who'ts that" I went "his flatmate" she went "oh is this (the address) and number" I replied yes.

So the advisor didnt know who I was, never knew my name, or if I was telling the truth, she could of phoned wrong number.
#21
why doesn't he just get a job ? then he can fill a holiday form in and still get paid for taking a week off? :thumbsup:
banned#22
who give a ****, as far as I can see, it is a pointless arguement.
#23
caroline150969
why doesn't he just get a job ? then he can fill a holiday form in and still get paid for taking a week off? :thumbsup:


Who would want to give him a job in the first place...doesn't exactly sound like the sharpest tool in the box...
#24
yup like 99% of the stuff posted in Miscellaneous Musings and Random Nonsense, think thats the point of it :-D
#25
Foxy102
Who would want to give him a job in the first place...doesn't exactly sound like the sharpest tool in the box...

LMFAO
#26
He wants to work just keeps getting turned down, the reason why he took the 10 hour a week cleaning job(dont know if I mentioned it but theres a problem wit h that lol) but the jobcentre are forcing him to leave to do the New Deal Placement, and its hard to get full time work in area.

Hes a smart guy, just speaks slurred a lot, as if hes dumb, but hes not, just nervous, and the times when he has phone interviews when im sitting next to him, I can tell right away he wont get job as he doesnt answer questions right, he just mentions he was a cleaner for 6 months last year and signs on now, thats his entire converation lol.

He just needs people skills improved and to learn how to speak on telephone.

I have tried helping him but no luck.
#27
Foxy102
Who would want to give him a job in the first place...doesn't exactly sound like the sharpest tool in the box...


there's always maccy d's
#28
ryouga
He wants to work just keeps getting turned down, the reason why he took the 10 hour a week cleaning job(dont know if I mentioned it but theres a problem wit h that lol) but the jobcentre are forcing him to leave to do the New Deal Placement, and its hard to get full time work in area.

Hes a smart guy, just speaks slurred a lot, as if hes dumb, but hes not, just nervous, and the times when he has phone interviews when im sitting next to him, I can tell right away he wont get job as he doesnt answer questions right, he just mentions he was a cleaner for 6 months last year and signs on now, thats his entire converation lol.

He just needs people skills improved and to learn how to speak on telephone.

I have tried helping him but no luck.



how old is he?
#29
Flippin eck, some people can be so damn nasty.
Nobody knows this guys circumstances or what jobs are available in his area.
#30
Sorry for double post, but I dont get some of the replys, people seem to be misinterpreting things I said, hes a smart guy, we met at college and he was one of the best in class.

He is smart just goes into things with a negative attitute, i.e he knows hes going to fail so doest put all his energy into it, he does try but doesnt put his heart and soul into it lol.

And he filled in form fine, again it was jobcentre who messed up, I saw his form before he gave it to them, it had his mums address and phone number, and his mobile, so he did nothing wrong.
#31
ryouga
He wants to work just keeps getting turned down, the reason why he took the 10 hour a week cleaning job(dont know if I mentioned it but theres a problem wit h that lol) but the jobcentre are forcing him to leave to do the New Deal Placement, and its hard to get full time work in area.

Hes a smart guy, just speaks slurred a lot, as if hes dumb, but hes not, just nervous, and the times when he has phone interviews when im sitting next to him, I can tell right away he wont get job as he doesnt answer questions right, he just mentions he was a cleaner for 6 months last year and signs on now, thats his entire converation lol.

He just needs people skills improved and to learn how to speak on telephone.

I have tried helping him but no luck.

Aw i feel a bit guilty for laffin now. I wish him all the best...i bet he struggles to get a gf as well with him been shy.
#32
dinosteveus
Flippin eck, some people can be so damn nasty.
Nobody knows this guys circumstances or what jobs are available in his area.

U been takin my advice and hammering the missus LMAO!
banned#33
ryouga
He wants to work just keeps getting turned down, the reason why he took the 10 hour a week cleaning job(dont know if I mentioned it but theres a problem wit h that lol) but the jobcentre are forcing him to leave to do the New Deal Placement, and its hard to get full time work in area.

Hes a smart guy, just speaks slurred a lot, as if hes dumb, but hes not, just nervous, and the times when he has phone interviews when im sitting next to him, I can tell right away he wont get job as he doesnt answer questions right, he just mentions he was a cleaner for 6 months last year and signs on now, thats his entire converation lol.

He just needs people skills improved and to learn how to speak on telephone.

I have tried helping him but no luck.


If he speaks slurred alot, maybe lay off the drink. Luckily for us all on here, we can type after a few too many:giggle:
#34
he needs to see a career advisor . If he is a smart guy they will find him something
#35
dinosteveus
Flippin eck, some people can be so damn nasty.
Nobody knows this guys circumstances or what jobs are available in his area.


Exactly what I was about to say :)

The general consensus is, That if you're on benefits you're a lazy arse who has nothing better to do and doesn't want to get a better job, Its often not the case.

A good 70% are probably lazy gits though.
#36
there is a dedicated Job and benfits section on the MSE forums, you might be better asking on there.
#37
Can't he insist that he has an interview face to face? That way the prospective employer would know that he has a nervous problem, but will be able to see that he can do the job.
#38
Lulu'sMammy
U been takin my advice and hammering the missus LMAO!

:whistling: :whistling: :whistling:
#39
Prissymiss
If he speaks slurred alot, maybe lay off the drink. Luckily for us all on here, we can type after a few too many:giggle:

Best mate has slurred ever since seeing his brother killed in the Falklands, nothing to do with the drink...poor ******.
#40
Remember I went into our local after just finishing my degree .... I said I wanted a job to fit my zoology degree. They said sorry we don't have a zoo here ... and promptly gave me a form for a checkout girl.

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