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Why don't councils make utility companies put roads back to how they found them ?

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as the title says, we pay billions of pounds a year in road tax, only to have to drive on roads that are full of holes and sunken repairs from fitted pipes and cables. but why doesn't the council do… Read More
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4m, 1w agoPosted 4 months, 1 week ago
as the title says, we pay billions of pounds a year in road tax, only to have to drive on roads that are full of holes and sunken repairs from fitted pipes and cables.
but why doesn't the council do checks on the roads that have been dug up and force the utility companies to put them back to exactly how they were before they dug them up.
there is a road near me which i drive down twice a day and the line across the road which a company has not refilled properly is terrible and when driving over it, my wheels go such a whack.
and thats just one of many i see every day.
i saw a tv programme a few years back where a certain council would force the companies to return to the repair two or three times within the six months afterwards and refill it or completely redo it if it wasn't 100% like it was before, and if the company refused, the council would hire a contractor and get the work done and then bill the utility companies plus a fine on top.
its far to easy for the utility companies to make big holes and then sprinkle some t leafs over the top and leave it.
so why aren't the councils bothered being as its them in the end that end up doing the work at their cost ?
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4m, 1w agoPosted 4 months, 1 week ago
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[mod][Mod Team]#1
lollypoplee
we pay billions of pounds a year in road tax

Unfortunately there is no such thing as road tax. It's vehicle excise duty which is a tax on co2 emissions. This tax gets spent how the government sees fit, not necessarily on roads, which is evident with the state they are in.

I agree that companies should be held accountable for carrying out repairs to a set standard, with punishments if they fail to adhere to it. I seem to recall reading something a few years ago about companies having a set period of time for filling in open holes and the likes, as it was becoming common for them to do the work then leave a gaping hole for weeks at a time before filling in.
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I'm thinking of getting a LandRover next, it's like driving across the surface of the moon, now by me. I've never seen the roads in such a bad state of repair.

Edited By: OldEnglish on Mar 16, 2017 16:07: .
banned#3
one thing I find is annoying, when they lay a new road then a Month after water companies or whoever dig it out again ! the silly strange shapes they leave behind ;)
#4
BeerDrinker
lollypoplee
we pay billions of pounds a year in road tax
Unfortunately there is no such thing as road tax. It's vehicle excise duty which is a tax on co2 emissions. This tax gets spent how the government sees fit, not necessarily on roads, which is evident with the state they are in.
I agree that companies should be held accountable for carrying out repairs to a set standard, with punishments if they fail to adhere to it. I seem to recall reading something a few years ago about companies having a set period of time for filling in open holes and the likes, as it was becoming common for them to do the work then leave a gaping hole for weeks at a time before filling in.
Explain motorcycle road tax then.
#5
At least it makes people slow down a bit.
#6
Some, maybe most, councils do plan roadworks with utility companies (ie they contact the utility companies to inquire whether they have need to upgrade/repair services as resurfacing works are planned) this allows the utility companies to fix issues without the additional costs of resurfacing
But most repairs are done when a problem arises some are unavoidable but most are because a lack of investment/under-funding for replacing outdated infrastructure.
And some councils will enforce proper road repairs whilst others probably get backhanders from utility companies.

Maybe it's down to the road user/council tax payer to ensure that any bad road repairs are reported.
And with that but slightly off topic but I took the opportunity to report an oil spillage at a set of traffic lights whereby my back wheel (motorbike/scooter) caught the slick and I nearly lost control - with 24hrs the spill had been treated/cleaned up

If the council aren't nagged then they either don't know or aren't bothered or don't have the funds but they have to reply.
#7
It used to be £2000 a day if it wasn't cleared up properly after work was done this included leaving a roadworks sign behind or that plastic fencing now I see them left behind months later it must cost these companies millions a year in unclaimed signs fencing sandbags etc
#8
they fix the roads as soon as someone trips or falls , usually the same or next day so you have little or no evidence to back up your case , its like anything , they only do something when its going to cost them money
#9
Very few care about enforcing any set of standards because it's not their money being wasted.

A popular way of repairing potholes with my council (direct labour) is to fill it with tarmac, then drive the van wheels over it to tamp it down. Funnily enough they don't last a year. I never understand why the simplest task of sealing all repairs is never done - it's always the weak-point they start failing at quickly. It's the same with council workers or contractors, everythings bodged for the minimal costs with no accountability.
#10
my local council wmdc uses private company's to resurface roads to save money yet the private company resurfaced a busy main Rd and a year later had to do it again as the road was crumbling. private companies must use cheap material's as the roads never last like they used to do when it was in house council doing it.
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themorgatron
Very few care about enforcing any set of standards because it's not their money being wasted.

A popular way of repairing potholes with my council (direct labour) is to fill it with tarmac, then drive the van wheels over it to tamp it down. Funnily enough they don't last a year. I never understand why the simplest task of sealing all repairs is never done - it's always the weak-point they start failing at quickly. It's the same with council workers or contractors, everythings bodged for the minimal costs with no accountability.


I can't see that working after been in the building trade for years as soon as the van wheel drove over hot wet sticky Tarmac it would just push out sidewards. It's normally wackered down or rolled over with a mini roller
#12
well if u complain to the council they fix it maybe if u point out that it was repaired by such a utility company they would take it further. But since when do the council care about the money it's the tax payer's whom pay it not the councillors them self's.
#13
The pot hole patch ups are even worse. Within a couple months they sink in quite a bit. Im guessing they didn't do the job correctly in the first place, i think it needs to be pounded down with a jumping jack.

New car tax laws come out this year which bumps car tax up massively for new vehicles, they promise the extra money made will go towards road repairs. Lets see.
#14
in the budget the government said that they would stop companies been fined as it was to difficult to do :( so its ok to mess the roads up then.
#15
You would not believe the state of our village Aston after VIRGIN has installed cables also unsightly grey cabinets all over the place how Rotherham Council can let this happen it beggars believe
#16
Hasn't the Goverenment given all councils about £1 million to repair roads? Which is obviously no where near enough.
Oxfordshire roads are really bad and my local council bought this machine that sprays tarmac into road holes and costs £10 each hole but within months the tarmac has all come out. Trouble is the roads here are so bad most want resurfacing now.
I have to smile when I keep hearing Uk is 5 th richest country in the world!
#17
We had this conversation with our local council a couple of years back after their contractors had 'filled' the same hole outside our home for the 3rd time in as many months, they shoved a spade full of tarmac in it and then jumped up and down on it to make it 'flat' and then drove off. We called the council and asked if anybody checked the work of their contractors, the guy just laughed and said yes it should be checked but in reality it isn't!! and we pay council tax for this :(
#18
J4GG4
Within a couple months they sink in quite a bit. Im guessing they didn't do the job correctly in the first place

It's because there is an underlying problem. Usually an underground leak or improper drainage which has washed away the foundations.

Once the foundations have gone the layers above just keep on eroding and eventually collapse. The council just fills in the hole with a cheap filler topped with a thin layer of tarmac but maintaining foundations is expensive so no-one does it anymore. Just quick fix after quick fix.
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stuarthanley
BeerDrinker
lollypoplee
we pay billions of pounds a year in road tax
Unfortunately there is no such thing as road tax. It's vehicle excise duty which is a tax on co2 emissions. This tax gets spent how the government sees fit, not necessarily on roads, which is evident with the state they are in.
I agree that companies should be held accountable for carrying out repairs to a set standard, with punishments if they fail to adhere to it. I seem to recall reading something a few years ago about companies having a set period of time for filling in open holes and the likes, as it was becoming common for them to do the work then leave a gaping hole for weeks at a time before filling in.
Explain motorcycle road tax then.


it's still vehicle exercise duty (VED), what's your point?
#20
I describe many roads in the West Midlands as a sequence of potholes held together by bits of tarmac.
#21
The answer to the question is...... because this country is run by a bunch of idiots on behalf of the other idiots that vote them in....

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