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Why no minutes silence at Parkhead?

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banned8y, 3w agoPosted 8 years, 3 weeks ago
At Saturdays game at Parkhead, the home of Celtic Football club, 200 fans walked out in protest of the minutes applause to commemerate the fallen heroes.

Apparently Celtic officials know a minutes silence wouldnt be observed, so chose the "applause" route.

Having listened on the radio "talk sport" people phoned in some of their stories... eg

Rangers had invited onto the pitch numerous returning soldiers to "meet the fans" during a game. Celtic did something similar - though told the soldiers they could not wear their uniforms.

Celtic fan gave his season ticket up because he had served in the Army - he was made an outcast.


Now I know of the history and some of the crazy bigotry that exists - but I just dont understand this in the slightest.

I'm quite sure most Celtic fans will be quite upset at what this minority are doing (so please dont take offence), but I just cant get my head around why they would do this?

The minutes silence undoubtably would include some of their own relatives - be they Irish, Scottish or whatever. They gave the ultimate sacrifice - why would anyone be so stupid to not give them one minute of their time in respect?
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#1
Strange would be interested in what others think here.
banned#2
darren9030
Strange would be interested in what others think here.


Indeed.

The radio show had many Celtic fans on the show, who were similarly disgusted - but explained it was all down to the "irish" occupency etc.

However, Irish people fought in WW1. I'd say it was pretty disrespectful not to acknowledge them - or their fellow countrymen who died during and since the "great war".
#3
A group of supporters protested as Celtic along with all SPL agreed to waer a poppy on there strips this weekend.
banned#4
If it is true (not saying you are lying), it is an absolute disgrace.
#6
The fans reasons for the protest is because our chairman John Reid forced all our players to wear a poppy. We have a german,irish and japanese players and they where all forced to wear poppies also and why should they do this when the british troops could of killed their family members it is just wrong. Also a big amount of celtic supporters are irish or come from irish heritage like myself and why should we applaud the people who killed our family. Also John Reid said to "leave our politics at the door" and he is a hypocrite for saying this when forcing the players to wear poppies is politcal. SO i hope you now understand why celtic fans had this protest. The protestors left 10 minutes into the game and some didn't even enter the ground as they couldnt face seeing our green and white hooped shirts with poppies on them. If the poppy was only to remember the victims of WW1 and WW2 then the celtic fans would have no problem with the poppy because they here forced to join the army but the poppy rembers all british soldiers who have died in illegal wars in ireland,iraq and afghanistan so they have a right to protest against the players being forced to wear poppies
#7
ciarancfc
The fans reasons for the protest is because our chairman John Reid forced all our players to wear a poppy. We have a german,irish and japanese players and they where all forced to wear poppies also and why should they do this when the british troops could of killed their family members it is just wrong. Also a big amount of celtic supporters are irish or come from irish heritage like myself and why should we applaud the people who killed our family. Also John Reid said to "leave our politics at the door" and he is a hypocrite for saying this when forcing the players to wear poppies is politcal. SO i hope you now understand why celtic fans had this protest. The protestors left 10 minutes into the game and some didn't even enter the ground as they couldnt face seeing our green and white hooped shirts with poppies on them.


This is simple minded idiocy....i can 100% gurantee you that if you asked ANY of the celtic players they would have been more than happy to wear the poppy....and if you had seen the players coms into the stadium that day 99% of them had poppies on their person....Andres Hinkle for example had one on AND HES GERMAN....

so the players werent FORCED the celtic fans (minority) but celtic fans none the less decided to take it upon themselves to decide what OTHER PPL should and shouldnt have done
#8
scotland88
This is simple minded idiocy....i can 100% gurantee you that if you asked ANY of the celtic players they would have been more than happy to wear the poppy....and if you had seen the players coms into the stadium that day 99% of them had poppies on their person....Andres Hinkle for example had one on AND HES GERMAN....

so the players werent FORCED the celtic fans (minority) but celtic fans none the less decided to take it upon themselves to decide what OTHER PPL should and shouldnt have done


The Celtic fans would of had no problem if it was up to the players to wear a poppy or not but being forced to is wrong. The protest was also because the Chairman is a hypocrite.
#9
im not a football fan nor am i really into politics but i find this shocking..
banned#10
Exactly why I cannot stand Celtic, leave the politics to the Browns and Camerons. There is no place for it in football.

Premiership and Championship teams have Irish support, and some even have overseas players, did not see anyone else protesting. Lets hope they stay in that nothing league and keep their politics to themselves.
#11
louloo
im not a football fan nor am i really into politics but i find this shocking..


why did you find it shocking ??
#12
hankmarvin4
Exactly why I cannot stand Celtic, leave the politics to the Browns and Camerons. There is no place for it in football.

Premiership and Championship teams have Irish support, and some even have overseas players, did not see anyone else protesting. Lets hope they stay in that nothing league and keep their politics to themselves.


The poppy is political
banned#13
ciarancfc
The Celtic fans would of had no problem if it was up to the players to wear a poppy or not but being forced to is wrong. The protest was also because the Chairman is a hypocrite.


Help me to understand here...

Yes, I'm aware of the logic from your previous post which is deeply routed from past Irish connections.......but whilst the poppy is obviously a symbol associated with the military, is it not a something used around the globe? Do Germany not have something similar for instance?

Its meant to represent the fallen. Not some military symbol - but a mark of respect to them and those families. That also includes the Irish in WW1.

Salmon - who is staunch supporter of dependency for Scotland seems to agree with that anyway!
#14
ciarancfc
why did you find it shocking ??


that politics always has to come into sport...and people seem to have little respect. I dont know who was at fault and who started it but its just so immature dont you think?
#15
guv
Help me to understand here...

Yes, I'm aware of the logic from your previous post which is deeply routed from past Irish connections.......but whilst the poppy is obviously a symbol associated with the military, is it not a something used around the globe? Do Germany not have something similar for instance?

Its meant to represent the fallen. Not some military symbol - but a mark of respect to them and those families. That also includes the Irish in WW1.

Salmon - who is staunch supporter of dependency for Scotland seems to agree with that anyway!


But the poppy is to remenber all the british troops who have died in ALL WARS and why should the playes be made to remember people who have ultimately killed their family. Remembering the victims of WWI and WWII is different as these people where force to join the army and had no choice but the people who invaded ireland,iraq and afghanistan where not forced and done it at their will so why should we remember these people who killed our families
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ciarancfc
The poppy is political


ok well in my mind the poppy is for remembrance-not only for those we lost-but supposedly to remind us not to let it happen again.

I guess we all have different opinions.
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ciarancfc
But the poppy is to remenber all the british troops who have died in ALL WARS and why should the playes be made to remember people who have ultimately killed their family. Remembering the victims of WWI and WWII is different as these people where force to join the army and had no choice but the people who invaded ireland,iraq and afghanistan where not forced and done it at their will so why should we remember these people who killed our families


You've missed the point completely.

It's in rememberance of ALL that have been killed - that includes the "enemy" and think its a bit silly to boycott something because one of the wars you didnt support.

I don't support the Iraq war - but those killed on either side have a right to a bit of dignity for their sacrifice.

I also question the notion its political. I cant disagree politicians all wear one with pride - but then so do I - and I can promise I dont do so because some crass politician does.
#18
guv
You've missed the point completely.

It's in rememberance of ALL that have been killed - that includes the "enemy" and think its a bit silly to boycott something because one of the wars you didnt support.

I don't support the Iraq war - but those killed on either side have a right to a bit of dignity for their sacrifice.

I also question the notion its political. I cant disagree politicians all wear one with pride - but then so do I - and I can promise I dont do so because some crass politician does.


I dont't support the war in iraq or afghanistan ether. Why should the people who died on these wars be remembered when they joined up to the army at their own will and participated in an ILLEGAL war
#19
ciarancfc
I dont't support the war in iraq or afghanistan ether. Why should the people who died on these wars be remembered when they joined up to the army at their own will and participated in an ILLEGAL war


your such a simple minded person....if it wasnt for these people sigining up and giving their lives their would be nothing to be remembered apart from the fact we would be living under the rule of Germany or Russia or anyother bigger powered country.....

you should seriously think about what your saying before you start cos if it wasnt for these people giving their lives for us YES THAT INCLUDES you then you wouldnt have the football games you watch or the tv or the internet

so you should think yourself lucky these people dont care about all the proteseters they only care about making the world better safer and giving EVERYBODY a better chance at living
#20
guv


Salmon - who is staunch supporter of dependency for Scotland seems to agree with that anyway!


I hope you mean independence - there's enough jibes about "dependency"

I think I know what you mean : - )
banned#21
ciarancfc
I dont't support the war in iraq or afghanistan ether. Why should the people who died on these wars be remembered when they joined up to the army at their own will and participated in an ILLEGAL war


So you think those that died specifically joined to go and fight in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Can I just ask one question. What nationality are you?

Regardless of your political, religious or geographical preferences, I find it a little poor that people who die in wars (for whatever reason or side) cant be given a little bit of respect of their "ultimate sacrifice". Like I said, I dont condone the war in Iraq, but to those that have fallen (on either side of the conflict), will be "honoured" in my small way of a minutes silence. That includes those from Scotland with Irish decendancy.
banned#22
oxter
I hope you mean independence - there's enough jibes about "dependency"

I think I know what you mean : - )


He he.. yeh that too! :w00t::thumbsup:
#23
ciarancfc
But the poppy is to remenber all the british troops who have died in ALL WARS and why should the playes be made to remember people who have ultimately killed their family. Remembering the victims of WWI and WWII is different as these people where force to join the army and had no choice but the people who invaded ireland,iraq and afghanistan where not forced and done it at their will so why should we remember these people who killed our families


Utter tosh

The poppy came about due to an AMERICAN! its worn through out the world to commemerate service men and women not just brittish ones.

A prime example as to how people will take something and twist it anyway they want it!
#24
jennybubbles
Utter tosh

The poppy came about due to an AMERICAN! its worn through out the world to commemerate service men and women not just brittish ones.

A prime example as to how people will take something and twist it anyway they want it!


you sure about that?
#25
what is a 'poppy' anyway ?, the useless ww1 came about through atheist ideology and many soldiers died in fields where poppy's grow , the poppy worn today - an american invention as has been mentioned- is a replica of a poppy that is good business for those who manufacture and sell them. So what if Celtic refused to wear the poppy ?

200 fans out of 30 odd 000 walked out :lol:
banned#26
thej
I'm actually embarassed to come on here and say i'm a Celtic supporter,but i have to say that this was discussed at work today and every one of us thought it was disgraceful and that Celtic should ban the so called supporters involved.On a positive note the ones who walked out were booed as they went,from what i have heard.:thumbsup:
As to ciarancfc's point of view,i would like you all to know that it is one that is held by the minority of Celtic fans still living in the dark ages and should not be taken as the view of us all.I do not believe for one minute any Celtic player was forced to wear a poppy,i would say they ALL wore it as a mark of respect for ALL fallen soldiers.


To be fair, your reply was expected to be as above. I hope I was careful in my OP to say MHO was that it was a minority - it wasnt meant to be a contraversial thread (though would be difficult given the topic) but to understand why! It just makes no sense to me at all. Especially when I heard the comments from a Celtic fan who served in the Army, giving up his season ticket as a result of the "not worthy" label he felt he was given. There were issues with the occupation in Ireland etc - so I can understand some of the lack of respect. But not now. It isn't an "English" army and I'm sure there are hundred of Celtic fans serving right now - which proves the point!
#27
jennybubbles
Utter tosh

The poppy came about due to an AMERICAN! its worn through out the world to commemerate service men and women not just brittish ones.

A prime example as to how people will take something and twist it anyway they want it!


Really, I've just come back from Ireland and saw no poppies for sale. I've also just spoke to my grandmother in Italy. Nope no poppies. Nor in Berlin. Or Vienna. Strange. Thought it was worn throughout the world...

I do agree with the poppy but I'm not going to force feed people my opinions on why you have to stab yourself with a pin. In the end it's a personal choice. I respect people who wear poppies and I respect people who don't.

I also suppose Celtic were trying to put a twist on a minutes silence. Why not applause and celebrate those abroad and in the service right now? (Show them our appreciation) Everyday people out there have a choice to think about past/present service men, and mostly there are thought provoking silences. Especially with those veterans when I read about them or watch t.v.

I've also just been informed by my dad that in Italy they applaude (he also says english people don't understand this mentality as they are stuck in a box. But thats his opinion that i'm deciding to ignore). Each place have their own different ways.
#28
rugger-tyke
what is a 'poppy' anyway ?, the useless ww1 came about through atheist ideology and many soldiers died in fields where poppy's grow , the poppy worn today - an american invention as has been mentioned- is a replica of a poppy that is good business for those who manufacture and sell them. So what if Celtic refused to wear the poppy ?

200 fans out of 30 odd 000 walked out :lol:


At least write facts. I won't even bother wasting my time on your WW1 comment. However, the poppy is infact manufactured in the year leading up to Nov 11th by disabled people and ex-service men/women. The British Legion is a charity, not a business.
#29
Here's the text of the leaflet thats was handed out prior to the game...

PROTEST AGAINST BRITISH IMPERIALISM

WALK OUT OF STADIUM ON 10 MINUTE MARK

CONTINUE PROTEST - MEET AT WALFRID STATUE

The SPL has decided that all Scottish Premier League clubs should support the Poppy Scotland Appeal. Celtic PLC without proper reference even to its own board, supporters groups or employees has decided to comply with the SPL’s recommendation and has produced a special strip embroidered with a red poppy to be worn by all players in today’s match against Motherwell.

For Celtic to support such an enterprise is extremely insensitive to the huge fan base that the club has in Ireland. In recent times many of our supporters in Ireland have suffered directly at the hands of the British Army, an army whose soldiers we are expected to applaud and commemorate today.

This is an insult to our supporters in Ireland and to all of the many thousands with Irish heritage and ancestry that follow the club. How can the Celtic PLC board expect our supporters to lend support to an army that has plundered and murdered many of our own people?

Bloody Sunday, The Ballymurphy Massacre, the murders of Aiden McAnespie and Peter McBride – these are just a few of the atrocities committed by British troops in Ireland.

This is not about the fathers, grandfathers and great grandfathers who were conscripted to fight in two world wars. This poppy day is about the British Army in the here and now - and is being given extra impetus this year because of the falling recruitment figures as a result of its involvement in unpopular conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Our protest is not aimed at individuals who wear the poppy, it is against the idea that Celtic as an institution should be backing British imperialism in any way shape or form.

We believe that the poppy appeal has long passed its original aims to commemorate the fallen conscripts of two world wars and has now become a focal point to rally support for the modern professional volunteer soldiers of the British Army and its wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

An honourable compromise could have been reached if the club had opted to wear the White Poppy which symbolises peace and opposition to all wars, but it seems that other political agendas are now at work in our club.

The Celtic Chairman John Reid is fond of telling us to “leave your politics at the door” yet this former minister in the British war cabinet continues to bring his own British imperialist and unionist politics into our club. Dr Reid should follow his own advice.

It is a disgraceful turnaround in the history of our club that we should even consider endorsing a celebration of the British Army. Celtic was founded by Irishmen who opposed British military involvement in Ireland and whose lives were devoted to this club, the Irish community in Scotland and the struggle to free their homeland from British rule.

It’s time to reclaim our club from those who would prefer to wrap it in the Union Jack rather than the Irish Tricolour.

Printed & Published by Celts Against Imperialism
Supported by Cairde Na hEireann, TAL Fanzine, Green Brigade
#30
ciarancfc
Here's the text of the leaflet thats was handed out prior to the game...

PROTEST AGAINST BRITISH IMPERIALISM

WALK OUT OF STADIUM ON 10 MINUTE MARK

CONTINUE PROTEST - MEET AT WALFRID STATUE

The SPL has decided that all Scottish Premier League clubs should support the Poppy Scotland Appeal. Celtic PLC without proper reference even to its own board, supporters groups or employees has decided to comply with the SPL’s recommendation and has produced a special strip embroidered with a red poppy to be worn by all players in today’s match against Motherwell.

For Celtic to support such an enterprise is extremely insensitive to the huge fan base that the club has in Ireland. In recent times many of our supporters in Ireland have suffered directly at the hands of the British Army, an army whose soldiers we are expected to applaud and commemorate today.

This is an insult to our supporters in Ireland and to all of the many thousands with Irish heritage and ancestry that follow the club. How can the Celtic PLC board expect our supporters to lend support to an army that has plundered and murdered many of our own people?

Bloody Sunday, The Ballymurphy Massacre, the murders of Aiden McAnespie and Peter McBride – these are just a few of the atrocities committed by British troops in Ireland.

This is not about the fathers, grandfathers and great grandfathers who were conscripted to fight in two world wars. This poppy day is about the British Army in the here and now - and is being given extra impetus this year because of the falling recruitment figures as a result of its involvement in unpopular conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Our protest is not aimed at individuals who wear the poppy, it is against the idea that Celtic as an institution should be backing British imperialism in any way shape or form.

We believe that the poppy appeal has long passed its original aims to commemorate the fallen conscripts of two world wars and has now become a focal point to rally support for the modern professional volunteer soldiers of the British Army and its wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

An honourable compromise could have been reached if the club had opted to wear the White Poppy which symbolises peace and opposition to all wars, but it seems that other political agendas are now at work in our club.

The Celtic Chairman John Reid is fond of telling us to “leave your politics at the door” yet this former minister in the British war cabinet continues to bring his own British imperialist and unionist politics into our club. Dr Reid should follow his own advice.

It is a disgraceful turnaround in the history of our club that we should even consider endorsing a celebration of the British Army. Celtic was founded by Irishmen who opposed British military involvement in Ireland and whose lives were devoted to this club, the Irish community in Scotland and the struggle to free their homeland from British rule.

It’s time to reclaim our club from those who would prefer to wrap it in the Union Jack rather than the Irish Tricolour.

Printed & Published by Celts Against Imperialism
Supported by Cairde Na hEireann, TAL Fanzine, Green Brigade


You do know celtic is a SCOTTISH CLUB dont you ?????

or do you think they shipped Celtic Park over on the ferry ????
#31
scotland88
You do know celtic is a SCOTTISH CLUB dont you ?????

or do you think they shipped Celtic Park over on the ferry ????


celitc where founded by an irishman to fund the poor immigrants from ireland during the famine. So just because they where founded in scotland doesnt mean they a scottish team. Thats just like saying if you went to kazakstan and made a team then the team is kazastanian
#32
ciarancfc;3426316
celitc where founded by an irishman to fund the poor immigrants from ireland during the famine. So just because they where founded in scotland doesnt mean they a scottish team. Thats just like saying if you went to kazakstan and made a team then the team is kazastanian


Founded, Based, and playing in scotland yet they are an Irish team. Oh yes that makes sense:whistling:
#33
ciarancfc
celitc where founded by an irishman to fund the poor immigrants from ireland during the famine. So just because they where founded in scotland doesnt mean they a scottish team. Thats just like saying if you went to kazakstan and made a team then the team is kazastanian


Exactly you see my point then.....Just because it was an irshman the founded them doesnt make them anyless of a scottish team......thats jst like same old rubbish about i was born here but im really swedish cos of my mum and dad.....

celtic are and always will be a scottish team just like rangers are and just like kilmarnock, motherwell hearts and every other scottish football team DONT YOU SEE THE PATTER.....

its simple minded idiots who promote this whole irish love british hate idiotic sectarian biggotry that turn a fantastic sport into a joke......

they are a football team!!!!!!!! they might have irish fans BIG WOW ITS A GAME OF FOOTBALL....support your team but dont bring into it all the religious biggoted hatred

grow up and see the team for what they are.....A FOOTBALL TEAM
#34
scotland88
Exactly you see my point then.....Just because it was an irshman the founded them doesnt make them anyless of a scottish team......thats jst like same old rubbish about i was born here but im really swedish cos of my mum and dad.....

celtic are and always will be a scottish team just like rangers are and just like kilmarnock, motherwell hearts and every other scottish football team DONT YOU SEE THE PATTER.....

its simple minded idiots who promote this whole irish love british hate idiotic sectarian biggotry that turn a fantastic sport into a joke......

they are a football team!!!!!!!! they might have irish fans BIG WOW ITS A GAME OF FOOTBALL....support your team but dont bring into it all the religious biggoted hatred

grow up and see the team for what they are.....A FOOTBALL TEAM


i think you will find that its the other side of glasgow who have the sectarian and bigoted fans. Tell me how celtic are a sectarian bigoted club ?
#35
ciarancfc;3426451
i think you will find that its the other side of glasgow who have the sectarian and bigoted fans. Tell me how celtic are a sectarian bigoted club ?

Is that a serious question after the statement you just posted!
#36
ciarancfc
i think you will find that its the other side of glasgow who have the sectarian and bigoted fans. Tell me how celtic are a sectarian bigoted club ?


look at what you just posted previously!!!
banned#37
ciarancfc

It is a disgraceful turnaround in the history of our club that we should even consider endorsing a celebration of the British Army. Celtic was founded by Irishmen who opposed British military involvement in Ireland and whose lives were devoted to this club, the Irish community in Scotland and the struggle to free their homeland from British rule.


And therein lies the problem. Its not a celebration of the British army.

Yes, what happened in "bloody Sunday" was a disgrace IMHO. Things have moved on. "Political Prisoners" who thought bombing civilian targets was a good idea, have been released. Why perpetuate the hatred?

If the majority of people in NI want independance or unification, then fine. Its not really the call of people from Scotland - particularly a football club!
#38
scotland88
look at what you just posted previously!!!


qoute the parts that are sectarian and bigoted
#40


that is a small MINORITY whereas the rangers fans is a MAJORITY. Everygame you can clearly hear the famine song

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