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With the Manifestos published, and having had the first of the Leaders Debates plus Question Time, we have a better idea on what is being "offered". The Prime Minister ducked the ITV Leaders Debat… Read More
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2m, 5d agoPosted 2 months, 5 days ago
With the Manifestos published, and having had the first of the Leaders Debates plus Question Time, we have a better idea on what is being "offered".

The Prime Minister ducked the ITV Leaders Debate and the Leader of the Opposition followed arguing that his main debate was with the Prime Minister.

So I think it time we start asking on what basis we will cast our vote?

We have the example of how our neighbours across the Atlantic (Americans as well as Canadians) chose to exercise their vote as well as our neighbours across the English channel.

We don't always get what we are promised. Some of what we are promised are mere sound bites to win votes. In my humble opinion, I think the more important questions are how we are conditioned to decide.

Will you vote for:

Personality or Policy?

Style or Substance?

Popularism or Principles?

Might or Right?
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2m, 5d agoPosted 2 months, 5 days ago
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#1
Oh Political threads are so rare on Hukd, let me get my popcorn
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#2
anything but strong and stable.
#3
Some youngster has bet 10, 000 on JC to win.
Really Labor should have deselected all their MPs and brought new candidates in who support him.
Normally I would not touch Labor with a barge pole, but JC, s manifesto is hard to disagree with any of those policies.

Meanwhile Theresa May, s introduced a death tax, going to clobber pensioners , bus passes, winter fuel , etc and won't guarantee not putting up VAT or tax. I think May is going to be in for a shock and it won't be the walk in the park she expects.

As to the Loony Liberals, they are the Dodo party. The Crankies SNP leader will also hopefully be left with fewer seats.

I think that youngsters bet has a good chance of paying out.
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Edited By: Proveright on May 19, 2017 11:51
#4
Proveright
Some youngster has bet 10, 000 on JC to win.
Really Labor should have deselected all their MPs and brought new candidates in who support him.
Normally I would not touch Labor with a barge pole, but JC, s manifesto is hard to disagree with any of those policies.
Meanwhile Theresa May, s introduced a death tax, going to clobber pensioners , bus passes, winter fuel , etc and won't guarantee not putting up VAT or tax. I think May is going to be in for a shock and it won't be the walk in the park she expects.
As to the Loony Liberals, they are the Dodo party. The Crankies SNP leader will also hopefully be left with fewer seats.
I think that youngsters bet has a good chance of paying out.
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Isn't taking what's left of an estate (- £100,000) better than increasing taxes when people are alive? I'd much rather have lower taxes when I'm young and then downsize and gift what I want to my kids when I'm older.

Why shouldn't fuel payments be means tested either?

Agree with the vagueness of the tax policies though.
#5
re: 'death tax'
Can someone explain to me why someone who lives in a £1m house and has £23k saving pays nothing towards their 'social care' and someone who lives in a £23k house with £1m saving pays for it completely? Why is the 'family home' sacrosanct?
I'm no fan of TM, or indeed this policy, but the existing policy is garbage too, I'm not sure why everyone highlighting it aren't up in arms about the current situation.
#6
SNP until independence, then I will change my mind.
#7
nobigdeal
re: 'death tax'
Can someone explain to me why someone who lives in a £1m house and has £23k saving pays nothing towards their 'social care' and someone who lives in a £23k house with £1m saving pays for it completely? Why is the 'family home' sacrosanct?
I'm no fan of TM, or indeed this policy, but the existing policy is garbage too, I'm not sure why everyone highlighting it aren't up in arms about the current situation.

We tend to focus on taxing income rather than wealth, and liquidity rather than assets in this country.

Mays policy actually redressed that imbalance slightly. I suppose the reason we have this focus is because wealthy landowners used to control politics to a greater degree and it's a hangover from that.

I also think it takes account of the whole 'bank of mum and dad' phenomenon where parents transfer wealth/cash at an earlier age rather than passing it on in inheritance.

So if you have a £400,000 house when you retire, it would make sense to downsize to a £250,000 house and pass on that money earlier. Then the taxman is only taking £150,000 rather than the full amount...so long as you don't die within the 7 year period (if memory serves).
#8
Better to tax the dead than the living, and if you have money you need to spend it an enjoy yourself or give it away to kids who will sqaunder it away as they never earnt it in the first place. Like the saying money makes the world go around, it's no use in the bank or when you're dead.
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nobigdeal
re: 'death tax'
Can someone explain to me why someone who lives in a £1m house and has £23k saving pays nothing towards their 'social care' and someone who lives in a £23k house with £1m saving pays for it completely? Why is the 'family home' sacrosanct?
I'm no fan of TM, or indeed this policy, but the existing policy is garbage too, I'm not sure why everyone highlighting it aren't up in arms about the current situation.
We tend to focus on taxing income rather than wealth, and liquidity rather than assets in this country.
Mays policy actually redressed that imbalance slightly. I suppose the reason we have this focus is because wealthy landowners used to control politics to a greater degree and it's a hangover from that.
I also think it takes account of the whole 'bank of mum and dad' phenomenon where parents transfer wealth/cash at an earlier age rather than passing it on in inheritance.
So if you have a £400,000 house when you retire, it would make sense to downsize to a £250,000 house and pass on that money earlier. Then the taxman is only taking £150,000 rather than the full amount...so long as you don't die within the 7 year period (if memory serves).
From what I understand, it is not the taxman that collects on the social care bill. This is pertinent as
unlike inheritance tax, from what I can glean, if you are assumed to have transferred wealth out of your name in order to avoid paying for social care costs, there is not statute of limitations for this to be reversed.
#10
mubashar
Will you vote for Personality or Policy? Style or Substance? Popularism or Principles? Might or Right?

After carefully considering all the advantages & disadvantages including, but not limited to, proposed policies, history of retaining commitments following appointment, & prior claims for fair use of public funds for expenses, it has to come down to one determining factor; ...breast size.

Saying that, the factors for determining worthy female candidates are just as complicated. :{
#11
Re4 why fuel payments tested.

Because the cost of administration will make it
not worth it.

Also pensioners don't claim all the benefits they are entitled to, and if they are now presented with reams of forms prying into savings and every nook and cranny, lots of pensioners will end up dying of cold even though they were entitled to fuel payments, but were too proud, etc.

Edited By: Proveright on May 19, 2017 18:42

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