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7y, 3m agoPosted 7 years, 3 months ago
Who still prefers Xp ?
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7y, 3m agoPosted 7 years, 3 months ago
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http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/1809/21137130.jpg
#3
7 is so much better, vista is s**t and i loved xp but 7 is so much fasterand start up times are halved.
#4
dontasciime
Who still prefers Xp ?


Those scared of changed.
#5
databar
7 is so much better, vista is s**t and i loved xp but 7 is so much fasterand start up times are halved.


I dont get why people keep saying that.

They hate vista and love win7, the latter is just a facelift from the former...
#6
There really isnt that much difference between Windows 7 and Vista unless you have a Under powered PC, And it has actually been found that after time Windows 7 takes longer to load than Vista,
#8
deathtrap3000;6625956
I dont get why people keep saying that.

They hate vista and love win7, the latter is just a facelift from the former...

but then i didnt like win2000 but loved XP...wasnt actually that much difference in theory between the two and had many of the same fundamentals.

I was always XP but been using RC of win7 and definitely staying with win7 now, havent even booted XP up for anything in a couple of months!
#9
awoodhall2003
but then i didnt like win2000 but loved XP...wasnt actually that much difference in theory between the two and had many of the same fundamentals.

I was always XP but been using RC of win7 and definitely staying with win7 now, havent even booted XP up for anything in a couple of months!


Yeh thats the same thing. Im not sure where its come from.
Is it from word of mouth? actual usage? or simply because its "cool" to badmouth?
#10
deathtrap3000
I dont get why people keep saying that.

They hate vista and love win7, the latter is just a facelift from the former...


Windows 7 is NOT a facelift. Here are my findings fron the actual RTM release of Windows 7:

- File copy is quicker as there is less lag from hard drive activity. The caching is improved.
- AVCHD decoding has been introduced for HD video. Connecting HD video cameras is now supported due to AVCHD plus Media Center can now decode HD channels from Freesat.
- Media Center implemented across the entire range of Windows 7 platforms.
- Image backup tool available across the entire range of Windows 7 platforms.
- Touchscreen support is included.
- Faster startup times and NO this is not reduced over time as has been claimed due to improved caching of data.
- SSD drives are faster in Windows 7 due to TRIM technology that can erase paged data in advance of a delete operation.
- Desktop search performance has been increased (again due to improved caching).
- Home Group Networking allows quick and easy connection between Windows 7 machines (although this cannot be used to network a machine based on non-Windows 7 platforms).

This is not an exhaustive list and Windows 7 is most certainly not a facelift. Have a look at how the kernel works and you will see that this is a complete redesign supporting acceleration of low level commands. The kernel is central to the OS, for those who are interested.

More information can be gleaned here:

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/software/operating-systems/microsoft-windows-7-622923/review?artc_pg=1
#11
deathtrap3000;6626272
Yeh thats the same thing. Im not sure where its come from.
Is it from word of mouth? actual usage? or simply because its "cool" to badmouth?

no i actually used windows 2000 for about 6months and actually went back to windows 98 SE as it actually worked and was much faster.

Although windows 2000 for businesses rocked for networking and stuff alike.
#12
ElliottC
Windows 7 is NOT a facelift. Here are my findings fron the actual RTM release of Windows 7:


Most of "your findings" wont be seen or even noticed by a huge percentage of win 7 users. Who actually notices if it boots a few seconds quicker?
#13
deathtrap3000;6627047
Most of "your findings" wont be seen or even noticed by a huge percentage of win 7 users. Who actually notices if it boots a few seconds quicker?

who actually turns off their PC? :whistling:
(i love being in a student house again with utility bills included!)
#14
deathtrap3000
Most of "your findings" wont be seen or even noticed by a huge percentage of win 7 users. Who actually notices if it boots a few seconds quicker?



Many people do use the new features and even if they do not, the OS is NOT a facelift. Have a read at what the kernel does and you will find that it is very different. The kernel is rewritten, not upgraded incrementally. How will many people not notice the incremental backup, Media Center, connecting HD video cameras, fast desktop search improving program location from the Start Menu? These are staring in the face of the user - in the Start Menu! It is not just "a facelift" or is that your comments based on word of mouth, tittle tattle, the over-zealousness to denigrate in order to be fashionable?

As for my findings:

- Boot up of clean install of Vista x64 Ultimate with AVG realtime scanning on Gigabyte GA-EG45M and 2 x F1 500 GB hard drives and Intel E8500 CPU in RAID 0 setup - 2 mins 40 seconds.
- Boot up of clean install of 7 x64 Ultimate RTM on the same hardware and AVG realtime scanning as above - 1 min 13 seconds. RC version cannot be compared as it has debug and trace code so it is slightly slowed down but it is still much faster than Vista in boot up and not by a matter of a "few seconds" and how do you quantify "few seconds" anyway? 10 seconds? 50 seconds? 600 seconds?
- Boot up of clean install of Vista x64 Ultimate with AVG realtime scanning on Dell XPS1730 and 2 x 200 GB Hitachi drives in RAID 0 setup - 2 mins 56 seconds.
- Boot up of clean install of 7 x64 Ultimate RTM on same Dell 1730 laptop - 1 min 19 seconds.

In my book, boot up speed is very noticeable and the general consensus is that it boots up quicker too. The link provided also confirms that this is not a matter of a "few seconds" and confirms Windows 7 to be the best version of Windows yet, although this is subjective. File copying is certainly noticeable too and I am sure you agree many people will copy files on their computer - you cannot deny that. Have a go at copying a large file and see for yourself!

I am not being argumentative but an objective view does help others rather than basing your comments on pure conjecture.
#15
My PC came with XP, and it's gonna die with XP.

If my next upgrade has W7 Pifft! ...I'll worry about it then.

I bought a Samgung NC10 this time last year, it it had XP on it.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

I love my NC10 BTW.... but the flippin' hard drive is always clicking. Does my frickin head in :(

awoodhall2003
who actually turns off their PC? :whistling:
(i love being in a student house again with utility bills included!)


Dude, turn off your PC when you aren't using it.
Think of the planet, think of the trees, think of the birds and the bees! :thinking:
I do hibernate.. it's much better (press shift on the exit screen)
#16
I'll be upgrading in 10 days time (Ubuntu 9.10 :)
#17
ElliottC
I am not being argumentative but an objective view does help others rather than basing your comments on pure conjecture.


My findings:

Vista loaded for about 18months
Win 7 loaded for about 2months

Boot time (time to desktop)
Win Vista - 40seconds
Win 7 - 39seconds

Shut down time
Win Vista - 29 seconds
Win 7 - 29 seconds


Seems like a great improvement to me :thumbsup:
#18
Relievo
My PC came with XP, and it's gonna die with XP.

If my next upgrade has W7 Pifft! ...I'll worry about it then.

I bought a Samgung NC10 this time last year, it it had XP on it.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

I love my NC10 BTW.... but the flippin' hard drive is always clicking. Does my frickin head in :(



Dude, turn off your PC when you aren't using it.
Think of the planet, think of the trees, think of the birds and the bees! :thinking:
I do hibernate.. it's much better (press shift on the exit screen)


Stick with Windows XP on your NC10 as applications in XP do run faster than Windows 7. Furthermore, support for XP has been extended by Microsoft due to the popularity of Netbooks.

"If it ain't broke don't fix it" doesn't always apply though. Sometimes, it's a case of "If it isn't running well enough, there may be a better solution!" In your case, XP runs well enough.

If faster boot up times are required without turning off the PC, setting it in hibernation mode results in quick shutdown and quick start up. Hibernation mode, contrary to popular belief, does NOT use more electricity than shutting down the PC. For those interested, the memory is written to a file on the hard drive and the PC is physically shut down. Upon start up, the hibernation file is rewritten back to memory and as memory writing is faster than booting up from the hard disc, the boot up time is improved drastically.
#19
deathtrap3000
My findings:

Vista loaded for about 18months
Win 7 loaded for about 2months

Boot time (time to desktop)
Win Vista - 40seconds
Win 7 - 39seconds

Shut down time
Win Vista - 29 seconds
Win 7 - 29 seconds


Seems like a great improvement to me :thumbsup:


Is that objective, subjective or conjecture? Can you tell the truth, please? You are the only one who have reported almost identical boot up times, contrary to all the independent tests on the internet. 40 seconds boot up after 18 months use of Vista seems incredibly fast. Remember that a hard drive has a burst speed of around 80 MB/s. Do you know how much data is loaded upon boot up? Bear in mind that the time I have given is burst mode and not sustained transfer rate and I havn't even taken into account access, seek and latency times - plus processing time. You can't fool me!
banned#20
ElliottC
Many people do use the new features and even if they do not, the OS is NOT a facelift. Have a read at what the kernel does and you will find that it is very different. The kernel is rewritten, not upgraded incrementally. How will many people not notice the incremental backup, Media Center, connecting HD video cameras, fast desktop search improving program location from the Start Menu? These are staring in the face of the user - in the Start Menu! It is not just "a facelift" or is that your comments based on word of mouth, tittle tattle, the over-zealousness to denigrate in order to be fashionable?

As for my findings:

- Boot up of clean install of Vista x64 Ultimate with AVG realtime scanning on Gigabyte GA-EG45M and 2 x F1 500 GB hard drives and Intel E8500 CPU in RAID 0 setup - 2 mins 40 seconds.
- Boot up of clean install of 7 x64 Ultimate RTM on the same hardware and AVG realtime scanning as above - 1 min 13 seconds. RC version cannot be compared as it has debug and trace code so it is slightly slowed down but it is still much faster than Vista in boot up and not by a matter of a "few seconds" and how do you quantify "few seconds" anyway? 10 seconds? 50 seconds? 600 seconds?
- Boot up of clean install of Vista x64 Ultimate with AVG realtime scanning on Dell XPS1730 and 2 x 200 GB Hitachi drives in RAID 0 setup - 2 mins 56 seconds.
- Boot up of clean install of 7 x64 Ultimate RTM on same Dell 1730 laptop - 1 min 19 seconds.

In my book, boot up speed is very noticeable and the general consensus is that it boots up quicker too. The link provided also confirms that this is not a matter of a "few seconds" and confirms Windows 7 to be the best version of Windows yet, although this is subjective. File copying is certainly noticeable too and I am sure you agree many people will copy files on their computer - you cannot deny that. Have a go at copying a large file and see for yourself!

I am not being argumentative but an objective view does help others rather than basing your comments on pure conjecture.


You count boot up times in MINUTES:w00t::w00t::w00t::w00t::w00t:
#21
FilthAndFurry
You count boot up times in MINUTES:w00t::w00t::w00t::w00t::w00t:


Yes I did! Not sure what the issue is.
#22
ElliottC
Is that objective, subjective or conjecture? Can you tell the truth, please? You are the only one who have reported almost identical boot up times, contrary to all the independent tests on the internet. 40 seconds boot up after 18 months use of Vista seems incredibly fast. Remember that a hard drive has a burst speed of around 80 MB/s. Do you know how much data is loaded upon boot up? Bear in mind that the time I have given is burst mode and not sustained transfer rate and I havn't even taken into account access, seek and latency times - plus processing time. You can't fool me!


Wow.
The truth shall set you free...
Or in this case prove that Vista aint all that bad, or different.
banned#23
ElliottC
Yes I did! Not sure what the issue is.


It takes more than a minute to boot up Windows 7?
#24
ElliottC
Is that objective, subjective or conjecture? Can you tell the truth, please? You are the only one who have reported almost identical boot up times, contrary to all the independent tests on the internet. 40 seconds boot up after 18 months use of Vista seems incredibly fast. Remember that a hard drive has a burst speed of around 80 MB/s. Do you know how much data is loaded upon boot up? Bear in mind that the time I have given is burst mode and not sustained transfer rate and I havn't even taken into account access, seek and latency times - plus processing time. You can't fool me!


I have two PCs ,one with 7 and one with vista and the boot times are near identical,In general usage the really isnt much difference,
#25
I'm using Vista on an AMD Athlon 64 64 3000+, with 1GB DDR RAM, and a GeForce FX5200. I have been unning Vista since it launched, and have had no problems at all, even on an older processor before i upgraded slightly (Athlon XP 2100)

I shall be updating to Windows 7 some time this evening.
#26
FilthAndFurry
It takes more than a minute to boot up Windows 7?


I see. I did specify that real time scanning was included and also non-optimised drivers were used too.
banned#27
ElliottC
I see. I did specify that real time scanning was included and also non-optimised drivers were used too.


I can boot up in about 30 seconds and close down in about 8 seconds.
#28
deathtrap3000
Wow.
The truth shall set you free...
Or in this case prove that Vista aint all that bad, or different.


I cannot prove it here in all honesty but can show you a demo. Circumstantial evidence gleaned from quick search on the internet also shows Windows 7 is much faster for hard disc operations but again these are subjective and cannot be understood as proofs, but used as guidance. By the same token, I am willing to be shown to be wrong if you can prove your Vista machine that has had the OS installed 18 months ago, boots up in 40 seconds. Currently, I do not believe you and I stand by your comments of being pure conjecture.
#29
FilthAndFurry
I can boot up in about 30 seconds and close down in about 8 seconds.


That is quite possible because you may well be using a different setup. I had non-optimised drivers and had other services to run while scanning the hard drive at the same time.
banned#30
ElliottC
That is quite possible because you may well be using a different setup. I had non-optimised drivers and had other services to run while scanning the hard drive at the same time.


Mac OSX.:thumbsup:

You can't have a windows thread without one.
#31
ElliottC
I cannot prove it here in all honesty but can show you a demo. Circumstantial evidence gleaned from quick search on the internet also shows Windows 7 is much faster for hard disc operations but again these are subjective and cannot be understood as proofs, but used as guidance. By the same token, I am willing to be shown to be wrong if you can prove your Vista machine that has had the OS installed 18 months ago, boots up in 40 seconds. Currently, I do not believe you and I stand by your comments of being pure conjecture.


Sorry, wasnt 18 months, but 14.
Still 40 seconds though.
#32
Relievo;6627309

Dude, turn off your PC when you aren't using it.
Think of the planet, think of the trees, think of the birds and the bees! :thinking:
I do hibernate.. it's much better (press shift on the exit screen)

i am always thinking of the birds and the bees ;-):whistling:

It does get turned off don't worry, it gets turned off in the day whilst at uni or out and about as it has no need to be on, but usually leave it on over night to download stuff as that's when housemates aren't generally on it thus not affecting anyone's usage and means no traffic management from virgin.
Furthered by the fact i believe the longer a pc is on the the shorter you make its own life :thumbsup:
#33
tonyg1962
I have two PCs ,one with 7 and one with vista and the boot times are near identical,In general usage the really isnt much difference,


Windows 7 definitely boots up faster than Windows Vista. I am using Release Candidate 7 and it is much quicker. I notice that when a lot of software is installed Window 7 loads them faster definately.
#34
DaveTaylor
Windows 7 definitely boots up faster than Windows Vista. I am using Release Candidate 7 and it is much quicker. I notice that when a lot of software is installed Window 7 loads them faster definately.


If your existing windows setup is a few months old and has a lot of stuff installed that runs at bootup, then of course your new win7 install boots up quicker. You have to wait a bit before comparisons become meaningful. Unless you are comparing new installs of both.
#35
The world aint gonna end if it takes longer than 30 sec's to boot up.
If anything, it gives me time to knock one out, while the neighbour puts her whites out to dry :whistling:

For the record, I'm pretty sure.
Hibernation: totally switches off the power, but leaves everything as you left it.
Sleep: keeps a low amount of power running.

At the end of the day XP is on my PC already, so I don't need to pay £50-£100 for an extra 30sec's saved on boot up time.
#36
Right, i'm now on Windows 7, and, from first impressions, i prefer Windows Vista
banned#37
ElliottC;6627220
Many people do use the new features and even if they do not, the OS is NOT a facelift. Have a read at what the kernel does and you will find that it is very different. The kernel is rewritten, not upgraded incrementally. How will many people not notice the incremental backup, Media Center, connecting HD video cameras, fast desktop search improving program location from the Start Menu? These are staring in the face of the user - in the Start Menu! It is not just "a facelift" or is that your comments based on word of mouth, tittle tattle, the over-zealousness to denigrate in order to be fashionable?

As for my findings:

- Boot up of clean install of Vista x64 Ultimate with AVG realtime scanning on Gigabyte GA-EG45M and 2 x F1 500 GB hard drives and Intel E8500 CPU in RAID 0 setup - 2 mins 40 seconds.
- Boot up of clean install of 7 x64 Ultimate RTM on the same hardware and AVG realtime scanning as above - 1 min 13 seconds. RC version cannot be compared as it has debug and trace code so it is slightly slowed down but it is still much faster than Vista in boot up and not by a matter of a "few seconds" and how do you quantify "few seconds" anyway? 10 seconds? 50 seconds? 600 seconds?
- Boot up of clean install of Vista x64 Ultimate with AVG realtime scanning on Dell XPS1730 and 2 x 200 GB Hitachi drives in RAID 0 setup - 2 mins 56 seconds.
- Boot up of clean install of 7 x64 Ultimate RTM on same Dell 1730 laptop - 1 min 19 seconds.

In my book, boot up speed is very noticeable and the general consensus is that it boots up quicker too. The link provided also confirms that this is not a matter of a "few seconds" and confirms Windows 7 to be the best version of Windows yet, although this is subjective. File copying is certainly noticeable too and I am sure you agree many people will copy files on their computer - you cannot deny that. Have a go at copying a large file and see for yourself!

I am not being argumentative but an objective view does help others rather than basing your comments on pure conjecture.

you are spot on! Its a joke for some people to suggest win7 is just a facelift of vista. They aint got a clue so stop feeding them. :thumbsup:
#38
DaveTaylor
Windows 7 definitely boots up faster than Windows Vista. I am using Release Candidate 7 and it is much quicker. I notice that when a lot of software is installed Window 7 loads them faster definately.


So i am sat here with 2 identical specced PCs apart from one has a 4870 and one a 4890 ati card,Same software,same gadgets ,When i push the power button both load within a couple of seconds of each other except with vista i can get onto IE faster, please advise me what i am doing wrong ,Am i pushing the power button with the wrong finger ,
#39
tonyg1962
So i am sat here with 2 identical specced PCs apart from one has a 4870 and one a 4890 ati card,Same software,same gadgets ,When i push the power button both load within a couple of seconds of each other except with vista i can get onto IE faster, please advise me what i am doing wrong ,Am i pushing the power button with the wrong finger ,


It is not a fair comparison by using PCs of similar specifications since one of them may have a hard disc that is not running at its full speed, perhaps due to wear and tear or incorrect configuration of DMA and so on. The overwhelming consensus from independent tests ON THE SAME MACHINE shows Windows 7 to be much faster to boot up even after prolonged use.

Perhaps, Dave is pushing the on button with the correct finger? Try asking him which finger he used. There is no need to disrespect his comments because you have different results. Perhaps you don't know how to use a stop watch - I don't know but you are not testing like for like.

I don't disbelieve you for one moment as none of your comments suggest anything outrageous but to form a conclusion requires a test that does not involve comparing apples to oranges. Furthermore, are you using Windows 7 RC? The RC version is slowed down since it was built in debug mode and not release mode. This means that extra instructions are incorporated for tracing and logging information. However, 7 RC still boots up faster than Vista as is evidential from the independent tests scattered all over technical websites. Your results are incongruent with these tests.

Don't insult others because they have different results to yourself - you might as well insult the scores of websites that also show Windows 7 to be faster.
#40
csiman
you are spot on! Its a joke for some people to suggest win7 is just a facelift of vista. They aint got a clue so stop feeding them. :thumbsup:


Thanks. I wasn't feeding them but when others are being swayed by comments by somebody who I do not believe has actually used Windows 7, it does not help the others reading here. When I first tested Beta version of Windows 7 I noticed within half an hour that it was not just a facelift - the new features were there staring me in the face whereas another user here does not notice after having installed it 2 months ago, allegedly, and claiming that since the majority of users will not see these features (that were staring me in the face) then the conclusion is that it is a facelift.

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