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Workplace discrimination/bullying re "family friendly".

grex9101 Avatar
7y, 9m agoPosted 7 years, 9 months ago
Ok, here goes:

I'm becoming increasingly annoyed at the policies and procedures my workplace have decided to adopt, and at they way certain members of staff are treated. Beginning to think this is tantamount to discrimination. Couple of examples:

1) Member of staff has children.One child takes ill. Staff member is granted leave to look after child, shift (conveniently) is a Saturday backshift. Other member of staff applies for leave for same day and is refused. This occurs frequently.
2) Holidays are allocated to all staff on a yearly basis, by rotation so that everyone gets a fair crack at July/August. Members of staff without children are intimidated/bullied into swapping out of July/August by those with children. Those who refuse are ostracised.

Thoughts, please? (NO TROLLS)
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7y, 9m agoPosted 7 years, 9 months ago
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#1
Maybe find another job or have some kids?
#2
Trickyjabs
Maybe find another job or have some kids?


lol :)
#3
sounds like common courtesy to me unless you have a really good reason for wanting time off during school hols
[mod]#4
For a small fee i will lend you my kids to take into work on Saturdays/summer to beg time off. :-D
#5
ClarityofMind
sounds like common courtesy to me unless you have a really good reason for wanting time off during school hols


You have kids I take it?

What if (like me) you like the really hot months in Europe (Greece) which are July/August? Hardly fair to be expected to swap, eh?
#6
tinkerbell28
Problem is though employers have to be flexible to those with young children, if they are not they could end up in a tribunal for it.
Discrimination as such would be hard to prove, if the company has to juggle things to meet thier legal obligations, not much could be done.


It's a fair point, it just bugs me that certain people get off work early on weekends purely because they have kids whilst those who don't, can't.
#7
just say you are going on a family holiday thats already booked and paid for .
#8
tinkerbell28
I do know where your coming from, unfortunately the employer won't have much choice really.


I know....

Seriously considering making up some imaginary kids so I can get a Saturday off once in a while!!! :-D
#9
grex9101
You have kids I take it?

What if (like me) you like the really hot months in Europe (Greece) which are July/August? Hardly fair to be expected to swap, eh?


I think if you book it first you should get it as you have then made arrangements for those dates that will obviously cost you money but employers do have to be "family friendly" these days or could find themselves in deep doodoo.

I'm in florida at the moment, my hubby is american so we spend a lot of our time here. Days are 85 degrees at the mo, nights usually in the 70's. Why restrict yourself to greece? It's usually around 100, 110 degrees here in the summer.

Spread your wings! xx
#10
ClarityofMind
I think if you book it first you should get it as you have then made arrangements for those dates that will obviously cost you money but employers do have to be "family friendly" these days or could find themselves in deep doodoo.

I'm in florida at the moment, my hubby is american so we spend a lot of our time here. Days are 85 degrees at the mo, nights usually in the 70's. Why restrict yourself to greece? It's usually around 100, 110 degrees here in the summer.

Spread your wings! xx


I think with the way the exchange rates are going, Ill be lucky to go anywhere!!!

I'm just a bit p'd off that certain people in my work think that it's their god-given right to have two weeks in July/August off every year. I quite like those months too, as the weather here is usually better, plus it splits the year up nicely.

Also really annoyed that everyone else seems to get preferential tratment based simply on the fact they have sprogs, and the rest of us are expected to pick up the slack.

I think there should be a "beer friendly" policy - recognition that some of like a beer at weekends! Saturday nights and Monday mornings off at the drop of a hat!!!
#11
grex9101
You have kids I take it?

What if (like me) you like the really hot months in Europe (Greece) which are July/August? Hardly fair to be expected to swap, eh?


i don't know if it's common courtesy to move aside for those with kids, but i would do it to save money the cost of holidays during school holidays is mad, i would gladly take the first two weeks in july or the first week in september.
p.s. the rules re kids only apply til they're six
#12
grex9101
I know....

Seriously considering making up some imaginary kids so I can get a Saturday off once in a while!!! :-D


http://www.utdash.com/humor/images/mr_bean_baby.jpg

It's a boy!

Congratulations. lol :whistling:
banned#13
Most people with children want the time off in those months to look after their children, not to holiday at choice, although i understand this isnt your problem and it should affect your holiday entitlement, there will always be those that abuse sick days, those with kids and those without, have you spoken to your bosses about your gripes
#14
tinkerbell28
Or any age if they have disabilities:thumbsup:


true fortunately that's not something i have to worry about, but just because they have kids doesn't mean they should always get first pick and by the way i have kids but still appreciate that others have a life too.
#15
Ungreat
http://www.utdash.com/humor/images/mr_bean_baby.jpg

It's a boy!

Congratulations. lol :whistling:


i'm scared, but it still looks better than some baby pictures i've seen:oops:
#16
grex9101
I think with the way the exchange rates are going, Ill be lucky to go anywhere!!!

I'm just a bit p'd off that certain people in my work think that it's their god-given right to have two weeks in July/August off every year. I quite like those months too, as the weather here is usually better, plus it splits the year up nicely.

Also really annoyed that everyone else seems to get preferential tratment based simply on the fact they have sprogs, and the rest of us are expected to pick up the slack.

I think there should be a "beer friendly" policy - recognition that some of like a beer at weekends! Saturday nights and Monday mornings off at the drop of a hat!!!


LOL!

You made me think of all the times my hubby and I have taken time off work or left a little early because one or another of our kids needs to see a psychiatrist /orthodontist /doctor /dentist/ attend some kind of exam outside of the usual schooling. How much we rely on our customers in my case as I'm self employed and bosses and collegues in his case as he's employed not to mind too much and to recognise we have other responsibilities as well as our careers.

I never realised before that perhaps we might have been peeving some people. I always stress to the people I work for my family come first, my job has to fit in with family life and honestly my attitude is if my clients dont like it, they can go somewhere else as my kids come first, but really my hubby takes all kinds of bits of time here and there even if its just an extra fifteen minutes or so ( he works it back at another time of course ) but we do live in a very flexible way. I should be more grateful!
#17
Some people are very paranoid on here - thinking they are being discriminated etc.

But the truth is they are just probably smoking too much weed.
#18
youve posted similar to this before, me thinks you have issues lol
#19
I can see your point but hard to see what is the alternative. I have kids and obviously if we want a holiday together then I need to have the school holidays off.

we get given a holiday form to fill in in january for the whole year and its first come first served for these-no preference is given to anyone so you have to be quick.

I always ask for easter ,summer and october hols. some people are slow off the mark,hold on to their forms until march and then ask for easter holidays and then moan when they dont get it because they have already been allocated.

I do agree it should be same rules for everyone,maybe your employer needs to look at how they allocate. as for the saturdays-I assume you have a contract to work saturday which you signed and agreed to so Im struggling to understand the problem tbh.

many employers now offer one saturday in 4 off if you are able to work another weekday to cover that-depemdes how big your employer is tho whether a system like that could work.
#20
It happens everywhere and won't get any better. Both parents are now opting to work instead of one stays at home and one works.
#21
I wish I didn't have to work!

I certainly dont do it for the pleasure!!

Hubby's salary pays all our bills really. We'd all starve if we had to rely on him to feed us too!

My earnings pay for our food, and other basic necessities, as well as luxuries such as holidays, nice clothes etc.

If someone would throw me a couple of k each month to stay home with my kids I'd happily do so. Otherwise, I have to work.
1 Like #22
Should be the same rules for everyone.

It's not your fault that other people decided to have kids! - They can all go on holiday at Easter or Christmas if they can't get July / August. Or take a weekend break. Or deal with it!

Maybe some people don't have kids so that they can use their money for things like decent holidays - and to get shunted aside for someone who wants everything is a joke.
#23
starsparkle2311
harsh accusations JFK!

You have proof?


Look at his posts.

Enough proof.
#24
You can complain!

If it were the other way around there'd be outrage - so stand your ground!
#25
Just to give some idea for those who dont have kids...

Common cost for childcare for a full time week place during school hols, about 175 quid per child.

Say you have two kids thats 350 quid a week over the 6/7 weeks holiday... You're paying maybe 2 k just in childcare fees. That's without taking them out anywhere or buying them anything or feeding them even.

Wouldnt YOU choose to take off a couple of weeks then to save you on some childcare??
[mod] 1 Like #26
ClarityofMind
sounds like common courtesy to me unless you have a really good reason for wanting time off during school hols


With all due respect, kids or no kids, you should be allowed to take off anytime that you like. There is no reason why parents with children should be given preferential treatment. This should be done on a first come first served basis.
#27
magicjay1986
With all due respect, kids or no kids, you should be allowed to take off anytime that you like. There is no reason why parents with children should be given preferential treatment. This should be done on a first come first served basis.


Well especially in the case of small employers they can't just give their employees anytime they like. I worked for a charity several years ago before starting my own business and it was basically first come first served there but also if there were emergencies with the kids, I'd take time for it and be allowed to. Similarly I think employers should be understading if you need time off to help a relative who depends on you or for a funeral etc, no matter who booked the time first.. some situations are more important.
#28
I'm old enough thank you very much.

I agree with you tinkerbell28 about the costs but there has to be a better way than bullying those that choose not to have kids.

The law favours parents with children, but it isn't designed to incite parents with children to emotionally blackmail those that make different lifestyle choices.
#29
Can't understand why you want to have your holiday during school holidays - its the worst time to go abroad if you don't need to. The first couple of weeks of July are pretty much as hot, plus the days are longer, plus you are not holidaying with kids!
#30
starsparkle2311
lol, how are you anyway?

Well I hope?
Haven't seen many threads from you lately


Yeah I'm good.

Had lots of work recently so haven't had too much lesuire time.
I don't mind though as extra work = more £££££s.

You don't seem to be on here as much as you used to?
[mod]#31
tinkerbell28
I do see it's unfair on people with no children however, the law states that an employer CAN control when you take your holiday. If that means they have to fit that in to meet their legal and business obligations, nothing can be done.


Which all goes without saying, but they shouldnt be able to deny holiday entitlement on the grounds of employee "A" doesnt have children but employee "B" does and might want time off.
[mod]#32
ClarityofMind
Well especially in the case of small employers they can't just give their employees anytime they like. I worked for a charity several years ago before starting my own business and it was basically first come first served there but also if there were emergencies with the kids, I'd take time for it and be allowed to. Similarly I think employers should be understading if you need time off to help a relative who depends on you or for a funeral etc, no matter who booked the time first.. some situations are more important.


Compassionate leave, unpaid leave etc cater for those circumstances.
My views may change a little when I have children but holiday should be granted on work issues like staff levels, feasible to grant leave etc.
#33
magicjay1986
Compassionate leave, unpaid leave etc cater for those circumstances.
My views may change a little when I have children but holiday should be granted on work issues like staff levels, feasible to grant leave etc.


The thing is... if you have a child and your wife/girlfriend phones you up and says.. "baby he's bleeding and god theres blood everywhere what am i gonna do?" What are you going to do? Say, sorry sweetheart, someone already has today booked off? As happened with us yesterday, my hubby put down the phone and said.. boss, take me home. They were on the doorstep within two minutes and our son didnt need stictches after all ( though he'd bumped his face up pretty bad, two black eyes, a cut lip, an inch long deep cut under his nose, just from falling over his own feet whilst playing ).

I think attitudes change once someone elses life rests on the decisions you make.
banned#34
anyway thought you had your own company
#35
sassie
anyway thought you had your own company


we're in florida at the mo( hubby is from here )
[mod]#36
ClarityofMind
The thing is... if you have a child and your wife/girlfriend phones you up and says.. "baby he's bleeding and god theres blood everywhere what am i gonna do?" What are you going to do? Say, sorry sweetheart, someone already has today booked off? As happened with us yesterday, my hubby put down the phone and said.. boss, take me home. They were on the doorstep within two minutes and our son didnt need stictches after all ( though he'd bumped his face up pretty bad, two black eyes, a cut lip, an inch long deep cut under his nose, just from falling over his own feet whilst playing ).

I think attitudes change once someone elses life rests on the decisions you make.


I would say to my work "Sorry, I have got to go home as there is an emeergeny"...and they would let me.

These circumstances obviously do not happen every day so they would understand (which any employer would, I hope).

I hope the little one is doing ok now. Poor little chap.
banned#37
ClarityofMind
we're in florida at the mo( hubby is from here )


lol that was to the op
#38
ClarityofMind
The thing is... if you have a child and your wife/girlfriend phones you up and says.. "baby he's bleeding and god theres blood everywhere what am i gonna do?" What are you going to do? Say, sorry sweetheart, someone already has today booked off? As happened with us yesterday, my hubby put down the phone and said.. boss, take me home. They were on the doorstep within two minutes and our son didnt need stictches after all ( though he'd bumped his face up pretty bad, two black eyes, a cut lip, an inch long deep cut under his nose, just from falling over his own feet whilst playing ).

I think attitudes change once someone elses life rests on the decisions you make.


What's that got to do with booking a holiday?

If anyone I know phoned me up to say that anyone I know is "bleeding and god theres blood everywhere what am i gonna do?" Then i'd sort it out.
#39
Or get Jack Bauer onto it.
#40
magicjay1986
I would say to my work "Sorry, I have got to go home as there is an emeergeny"...and they would let me.

These circumstances obviously do not happen every day so they would understand (which any employer would, I hope).

I hope the little one is doing ok now. Poor little chap.


Thanks, yes he's fine. He was calm within 15 minutes though had to put up with two baths yesterday as its so dusty here at the moment. Florida hasn't had rain in weeks and weeks, its drought season til april or so. So I was concerned his cuts would get mucky and kept bathing him!

Our older kids cause more problems. Our 15 yr old has a psychiatrist and can't manage a full week in school. We get called to school maybe three times a week for some situation or another and then theres the visits to therapists etc and once all that is under control theres the others who handle things pretty well usually.

Once you have children it isn't just a case of... emergencies happens pretty infrequently they happen pretty regularly really. I guess we are lucky in the jobs we have and the lives we lead, people around us are fairly supportive and understanding.

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