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Would a purchase made solely from your overdraft be covered by the consumer credit act?

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Just had a thought, would a purchase made solely from your overdraft be covered by the consumer credit act? A purchase on your credit card is covered as you are being given credit to cover the purc…
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7y, 4m agoPosted 7 years, 4 months ago
Just had a thought, would a purchase made solely from your overdraft be covered by the consumer credit act?

A purchase on your credit card is covered as you are being given credit to cover the purchase which makes the credit issuer liable, would the same apply to a purchase made using your overdraft, and if not why not? After all it's the same in that you're making a purchase and the bank is issuing you credit to cover it.
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7y, 4m agoPosted 7 years, 4 months ago
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#1
No because it's essentially a bank loan, not credit.
#2
I would say no, but judging by the last time I thought I knew what I was talking about due to a recent course I've been on, it could surprise me and be a yes.
#3
No because

with a credit card its agreed
with a bank overdraft thats only there so you dont go -£***
#4
Shengis
No because it's essentially a bank loan, not credit.


Shouldn't make any difference, as long as the purchase was made directly with those funds as opposed to indirectly.
#5
J4GG4
No because

with a credit card its agreed
with a bank overdraft thats only there so you dont go -£***


An overdraft can be agreed.
#6
Benjimoron
An overdraft can be agreed.


True but its not your money
#7
Benjimoron
Shouldn't make any difference, as long as the purchase was made directly with those funds as opposed to indirectly.


But the account its being paid from is a debit account, not a credit account. Tiny distinction but there you go. I'm guessing that's why you don't normally get coverage on maestro cards etc.
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J4GG4
True but its not your money


Neither is a credit card!!!
#9
Shengis
But the account its being paid from is a debit account, not a credit account. Tiny distinction but there you go. I'm guessing that's why you don't normally get coverage on maestro cards etc.


Surely if they're giving credit via an overdraft then for all intents and purposes it's a credit account.
#10
It would appear that there's an exlusion for debit cards. Not heard of that before and there's not much written about it on the net from what I can see.
#11
Its not covered under the Credit Card Issuer agreement, however there is a similar scheme if you paid via Debit card.

this scheme is not as enforceable as the Credit card agreement. Its more of an institutional agreement between banking organisations to protect consumers that pay via Debit Card. Ask your Debit card issuer if they are part of the scheme, and if so you can dispute the transaction and attempt to have it reversed.

:)
#12
No as you are not signing a contract that is covered under the Consumer Credit Act.
banned#13
The Therapist
No as you are not signing a contract that is covered under the Consumer Credit Act.


an agreed overdraft is governed by the CCA isn't it?

Section 75 doesn't apply though I think
#14
credit cards - equal liability under section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974

Paying for goods or services by credit card is now a major part of daily life, with many people preferring this method of payment to using cash or cheques. An advantage of using a credit card is that, under section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974, customers who have a claim against a supplier for breach of contract or misrepresentation will generally have an equal claim against the card issuer.

Claims are often made against the card issuer when the supplier has gone out of business or disappeared. Firms will sometimes tell customers that they must first get a court judgment against the supplier. That is wrong. The customer can choose whether to claim against the supplier, the card issuer, or both.

In a case reported in issue 21 of ombudsman news (case study 21/11), we awarded a customer £250 compensation for the inconvenience a firm caused by repeatedly, and incorrectly, telling him that it was only required to meet his claim if he first obtained a court judgment against the supplier.

For section 75 to apply, certain conditions must be met. Most credit card purchases will be covered, but:
the cash price of the goods or services must be more than £100 and not more than £30,000; and
[COLOR="Red"]purchases are not covered if they are made by debit cards or by charge cards (where the monthly bill has to be settled in full).[/COLOR]

Also, [COLOR="Red"]section 75 only applies if the credit has been provided under a ‘pre-existing arrangement’ that involves both the supplier and the credit provider[/COLOR]. So credit cards are covered because suppliers are signed up by one firm (called the ‘acquirer’) to accept cards belonging to the relevant network – such as Mastercard or Visa. The arrangement involves both the supplier and firms that issue cards through that network.

However, credit card cheques are not covered because they can be made payable to anyone – not just to the suppliers appointed to accept the credit card. And the credit card company would not share liability if the card was used to withdraw cash to pay for the purchase.

There can be problems if the card is accepted by a different business from the one that provided the goods and services. We see this situation most frequently in connection with timeshare and holiday club membership, where it is not unusual for the timeshare or holiday club company to use the credit card facilities of another business. The business accepting the payment may simply be acting as agent for the supplier, in which case section 75 will not apply. In order for section 75 to apply, the business that accepts the payment and the supplier have to be ‘associates’, as defined in the Consumer Credit Act.

Where customers use a credit card to buy airline or other travel tickets from a travel agent, they cannot normally claim against the travel agent if the airline delays or cancels the flight. This is because the travel agent contracted to supply the ticket, not the flight. So the customer would not have a claim under section 75 either.

However, things are different if customers use a credit card to buy the travel agent’s own ‘package’ of travel arrangements. In such instances the agent is the supplier of the holiday package. This situation is illustrated in case study 31/6.

Section 75 does not, in itself, provide grounds for a claim against a supplier. Customers must have a valid claim of breach of contract or misrepresentation under other law, such as the Sale of Goods Act or the Misrepresentation Act. If they do, then they have a like claim against the card provider for the full amount of the claim.

The claim is not limited to the amount of the credit card transaction. Customers can claim for all losses caused by the breach of contract or misrepresentation. And this applies even if all they paid by credit card was the deposit.

So, for example, a customer who pays a deposit for goods – using a credit card issued by firm A – and then pays the balance using firm B’s card, has the choice of claiming for the cost of goods and any consequental losses against:
the supplier of the goods;
firm A;
firm B; or
all three.

But of course, the customer cannot recover the same money twice.

However, to uphold a complaint we need to be satisfied that the customer had a claim for breach of contract or misrepresentation. This is straightforward if the customer has paid for goods or services that have not been provided at all. It is not so straightforward if the claim is that the goods were not of a satisfactory quality, or not as described to the customer.

If the dispute boils down to a question of taste, or simply to disappointment with the goods or services bought, then we are unlikely to be satisfied that there has been a breach of contract.

For example, we did not uphold the complaint of Ms X who said that her new haircut, paid for by credit card, did not suit her. Nor the complaint of Mr Z (who paid for a meal by credit card) after an altercation in the restaurant concerned. We took the view that he had received the items shown on the bill, and that his dispute really concerned how the restaurant treated him and his guests, rather than the quality of the meal he had paid for.

Many people now use their credit cards, rather than travellers cheques or cash, to pay for goods and services while on holiday abroad. Whether section 75 applies to transactions abroad is a matter of dispute.

HSBC, Bank of Scotland and Sainsbury’s Bank have agreed with the Office of Fair Trading that they will apply section 75 to transactions abroad. Other card issuers will not. The argument is due to be resolved by the courts, as the Office of Fair Trading, Lloyds TSB Bank and Tesco Personal Finance have applied to the High Court for a declaration on whether section 75 applies to foreign transactions.

In the meantime, most firms voluntarily operate a policy to accept otherwise valid claims up to the amount of the credit transaction. We consider all firms should do this as a matter of good banking practice.

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