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Would you be micro-chipped??

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8y, 2m agoPosted 8 years, 2 months ago
With the talk of I.D. cards for all that keeps cropping up i wondered what peoples opinions are on chipping everybody at birth (and also retrofit for everone else currently) , these would be along the lines of the tiny micro chips implanted into pets.....but these days with the current RFID technology getting so small it could also be a tracking chip to see exactly where a person was at any time.

I know the initial response will be horror from a lot of people ie human rights etc but think of all the crime this could stop.

Im thinking along the lines of top secret police use only and the data would only be looked into at the scene of crimes etc to see who was around, and for wanted criminals to track them down.

Also this would have to be made ultra secure beacuse of the possibility of hackers i undertstand.

I personally wouldnt have a problem if this was brought in...........what do you think?
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8y, 2m agoPosted 8 years, 2 months ago
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#1
Absolutely not.
#2
I doubt it would stop crime, just introduce a new backstreet surgery step to become a criminal
#3
What would come next. I won't be carrying an I.D. card. Ever.

Have you seen "Minority Report"
#4
Yep why not, nothing to hide, not that my life is that interesting to the goverment anywho!!
banned#5
Alfonse
Yep why not, nothing to hide, not that my life is that interesting to the goverment anywho!!


Agreed :thumbsup:
#6
Alfonse;3082959
Yep why not, nothing to hide, not that my life is that interesting to the goverment anywho!!


A crime is committed in a few years time, you are microchipped, the computer / GPS systems are hacked into, and you are placed at the scene of the crime.

You might not have anything to hide, but with a microchip you'll have nowhere to hide from Big Brother.
The question is not "Why not?" but "Why?" Why would we want the authorities to watch and store our every movement?
#7
Predikuesi
Absolutely not.


Elaborate please, interested in peoples opposition to this, what do you see the bad points vs the good?
#8
I'm not a religious person at all but isn't there something in revelations about the end of days when people will not be able to buy or sell anything with out the mark of the beast on either their hand or forehead. Something like that anyway. Always made me think people would be tatooed with a bar code. Obviously a micro chip would be an even more efficient and devilish ;-)


Regards
Andrew
#9
Predikuesi
A crime is committed in a few years time, you are microchipped, the computer / GPS systems are hacked into, and you are placed at the scene of the crime.

The question is not "Why not?" but "Why?" Why would we want the authorities to watch and store our every movement?



film with sandra bullock in - forget the name - what can happen

business for back street chiportionists (new word for dictionary):thumbsup:
#10
bigspazz;3083043
I'm not a religious person at all but isn't there something in revelations about the end of days when people will not be able to buy or sell anything with out the mark of the beast on either their hand or forehead. Something like that anyway. Always made me think people would be tatooed with a bar code. Obviously a micro chip would be an even more efficient and devilish ;-)


Regards
Andrew



There is. Amazingly the Greek text behind receiving the mark in the hand or forehead literally means "implanted".
#11
holly100;3083047
film with sandra bullock in - forget the name - what can happen

business for back street chiportionists (new word for dictionary):thumbsup:



The Net
#12
i dont understand how effective they would be. If a criminal doesnt want to be tracked it wont take much for him to take it out. If they are injected only superficially, a cut above the chip would easily get it out. If there is determination they will do it.
#13
Predikuesi
A crime is committed in a few years time, you are microchipped, the computer / GPS systems are hacked into, and you are placed at the scene of the crime.

You might not have anything to hide, but with a microchip you'll have nowhere to hide from Big Brother.
The question is not "Why not?" but "Why?" Why would we want the authorities to watch and store our every movement?


The basics of fundamental physics will still remain the same, knowing that I can't be in two places at the same time...............microchips aren't going to replace witnesses, CCTV, purchases, phone call logging, location of mobiles calls etc etc :roll:

oh yeah and some DNA evidence too :whistling:
#14
No way.

I love all the "If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" comments.

Wasnt that one of the mottos of the Stasi?
#15
Predikuesi
A crime is committed in a few years time, you are microchipped, the computer / GPS systems are hacked into, and you are placed at the scene of the crime.

You might not have anything to hide, but with a microchip you'll have nowhere to hide from Big Brother.
The question is not "Why not?" but "Why?" Why would we want the authorities to watch and store our every movement?


Yeah but it aint gonna be like a bunch of lads sat round a comp at scotland yard going 'pffft predikuesi is off to the shop again' and giggling, im talking for top level serious use in crime fighting.

i dont understand how effective they would be. If a criminal doesnt want to be tracked it wont take much for him to take it out. If they are injected only superficially, a cut above the chip would easily get it out. If there is determination they will do it.


Obviously there would have to be a serious way of making it tamper proof if that exists, and the security side of it aint gonna be as simple as your average joe hacking in and planting you somewhere, if top level security was easy to hack the net would be full of secret documents
#16
Predikuesi
There is. Amazingly the Greek text behind receiving the mark in the hand or forehead literally means "implanted".

It also predicts one world currency, one 'religion' (the only way that will happen is by removing Christ and that is happening already) and a seven year 'peace treaty' being signed in Israel... all from a book written thousands of years ago. Amazing really given that just a decade ago all of todays events (euro currency, chipping and global communications) were unthinkable.
#17
kungfu
Yeah but it aint gonna be like a bunch of lads sat round a comp at scotland yard going 'pffft predikuesi is off to the shop again' and giggling, im talking for top level serious use in crime fighting.


The terroism act was brought in under this pretence, it has been invoked for spurious reasons.

Your faith in the government and their "Intelligence" systems is worrying.
Nothing is tamper proof.
#18
kungfu;3083101
Yeah but it aint gonna be like a bunch of lads sat round a comp at scotland yard going 'pffft predikuesi is off to the shop again' and giggling, im talking for top level serious use in crime fighting.


Very true, but can we trust them to stop there? It is my opinion that microchips will eventually take over where the ID cards will fail. Then everything about you will be in the chip. And that is where my point is. Any computer technology can be hacked into and used for other reasons.
#19
Predikuesi
Very true, but can we trust them to stop there? It is my opinion that microchips will eventually take over where the ID cards will fail. Then everything about you will be in the chip. And that is where my point is. Any computer technology can be hacked into and used for other reasons.



I actually dont believe that.........as i said wheres the top secret documents then, and why hasnt president bushes personal emails to saddam been leaked etc,
#20
kungfu
Elaborate please, interested in peoples opposition to this, what do you see the bad points vs the good?

I'd prefer not to be chipped if we have a choice, it's not a case of having anything to hide, it's more of a case of not having that much trust in the people behind the scheme and those in power in controlling it.
#21
Robotochan
I doubt it would stop crime, just introduce a new backstreet surgery step to become a criminal


:thumbsup:

thesaint
What would come next. I won't be carrying an I.D. card. Ever.

Have you seen "Minority Report"


what he said.

Alfonse
Yep why not, nothing to hide, not that my life is that interesting to the goverment anywho!!


You would like to be watched? Weird. So because i don't want spied on that means i am a criminal and have things to hide does it? That is a pretty weak argument. :roll:

Its not going to stop crime, anyone that supports ID card's under that pretense has been seriously misguided in my opinion.

Also look at how well the government has protected our personal information in the past!!!
#22
berni888
I'd prefer not to be chipped if we have a choice, it's not a case of having anything to hide, it's more of a case of not having that much trust in the people behind the scheme and those in power in controlling it.




But wether you like it or not you already have been forced into trusting those in power. Any nutter could potentially blag his way into government and get his finger on the red button :thumbsup:
#23
kungfu
I actually dont believe that.........as i said wheres the top secret documents then, and why hasnt president bushes personal emails to saddam been leaked etc,


Are we talking about those MSN transcripts? :-D
#24
thesaint
The terroism act was brought in under this pretence, it has been invoked for spurious reasons.

Your faith in the government and their "Intelligence" systems is worrying.
Nothing is tamper proof.


Ive never heard of TOP LEVEL security being hacked yet.

thesaint
Are we talking about those MSN transcripts? :-D


i lol'ed quite a lot
#25
kungfu;3083171
I actually dont believe that.........as i said wheres the top secret documents then, and why hasnt president bushes personal emails to saddam been leaked etc,



But that is a far cry from 'have not' to 'cannot'. Governments all around the world have a constant fight with hackers trying to get into their systems.
#26
We are as good as 'chipped' now anyway! with our mobile phones we can be traced, they can find your location & previous movements over a certain time scale .. with credit/debit card transactions too they can follow most of your movements & know your whereabouts ... CCTV, speed cameras, what you do on your computer & when through your ISP .... the list goes on & on!

In answer to your question ... No I wouldn't want to be M. Chipped !!
#27
snowtiger;3083309
We are as good as 'chipped' now anyway! with our mobile phones we can be traced, they can find your location & previous movements over a certain time scale .. with credit/debit card transactions too they can follow most of your movements & know your whereabouts ... CCTV, speed cameras, what you do on your computer & when through your ISP .... the list goes on & on!



At least we can leave our mobiles at home though!
#28
I wouldn't like it - but I've got nothing to hide so would agree to it - I personally feel every child born should have their DNA taken at birth and put onto a database so any crimes committed would be solved nearly straight away by their DNA
#29
sn0ttyang3l;3083369
I wouldn't like it - but I've got nothing to hide so would agree to it - I personally feel every child born should have their DNA taken at birth and put onto a database so any crimes committed would be solved nearly straight away by their DNA

Yes I think the taking a sample of DNA from every baby born is a good way forward, I have always wondered why this hasn't been done up to yet ? after all they take a blood sample from every baby for the guthrie test (heel ***** blood test always done before the baby leaves the hospital) so surely this could be done at the same time. ?
(Maybe they do this anyway !! )

edit: the swear filter has taken the word p*ick out haha
#30
no, it will never ever happen.

the government does not need to know that much about us. we aren't that important, they don't care about each and everyone of us. they see us as a mass of people not individuals.
#31
snowtiger
Yes I think the taking a sample of DNA from every baby born is a good way forward, I have always wondered why this hasn't been done up to yet ? after all they take a blood sample from every baby for the guthrie test (heel ***** blood test always done before the baby leaves the hospital) so surely this could be done at the same time. ?
(Maybe they do this anyway !! )


my son went to the police training college in the summer with his beavers group. they now have his finger prints.
#32
sn0ttyang3l
I wouldn't like it - but I've got nothing to hide so would agree to it - I personally feel every child born should have their DNA taken at birth and put onto a database so any crimes committed would be solved nearly straight away by their DNA



it would still be open to abuse - what if crime committed by commissioners son/brother /sister - do you really think that wouldnt be covered up - even more so just by swapping info onto some poor nobody - bish bosh - we have proof dna cant lie - oh yes it can
#33
berni888
I'd prefer not to be chipped if we have a choice, it's not a case of having anything to hide, it's more of a case of not having that much trust in the people behind the scheme and those in power in controlling it.


but we could also be in control of our microchips as well. we could get them taken out and leave them at home!
#34
What about online? We are also as good as chipped when we move from site to site. Ad networks monitor the sites we visiting for 'behavioral targeting', and ISPs are now considering using systems that collect data from us as we surf and then use that to target ads. Individual websites also monitor our activity (including this one). So online we are already subject to almost complete surveillance. And we are forced to trust that advertisers and ISPs won't make mistakes with our data, or sell it to companies that we don't want to have a full account of the sites we visit. The idea that similar monitoring could take place offline as well is very depressing.
#35
quote:''Paidia''
and ISPs are now considering using systems that collect data from us as we surf and then use that to target ads.
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I read somewhere that 'Sky' do this anyway within it's broadband package! ??
#36
phatboy123

You would like to be watched? Weird. So because i don't want spied on that means i am a criminal and have things to hide does it? That is a pretty weak argument. :roll:


Whats a weak argument that I don't care if i'm being watched......but because you do that it means I should care, well I don't and you can't change my mind, no argument to be had. My choice to like it or not. lol

And also maybe if you read and replied to my other points you wouldn't look quite silly or is it phlat.......
#37
:giggle: I think some people are overestimating the ability of current RF-ID chips.

Re: thesaint never taking a ID card - surely you've used a passport before? Driving license?
#38
jah128
:giggle: I think some people are overestimating the ability of current RF-ID chips.

Re: thesaint never taking a ID card - surely you've used a passport before? Driving license?


He's probably never left the country and dwells in little England.
#39
thesaint

Your faith in the government and their "Intelligence" systems is worrying.



Your faith in your friends is yours..........

ooh ooh lets make more Star Wars quotes.............:w00t:
#40
jah128
:giggle: I think some people are overestimating the ability of current RF-ID chips.

Re: thesaint never taking a ID card - surely you've used a passport before? Driving license?


I have 2 passports and a driving licence that are left at home all day everyday.

I said I would never carry an I.D. card.
If the government will give them gratis and not require them to be carried on your person, fine. :)

Alfonse
Your faith in your friends is yours..........

ooh ooh lets make more Star Wars quotes.............:w00t:


I haven't seen the "New" Star Wars films, and the ones before I have seen twice since release(Last time about 15 years ago). :)

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