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1d, 2w agoPosted 1 decade, 2 weeks ago
Im thinking of buying an Xbox 360 and im in 2 minds whether to buy the core or just get the premium.

few questions,,,,

1. Obviously one has a hard drive and the other doesnt, can you buy the core and to save games buy a memory card like ps2 ?
how much are these cards?
where can i get them?
if there the same price as the hard drive then there isnt much point in just going for the core system.

2. Someone i heard saying was told if your not going to go on to the live gaming then get the core system is this true?

3. There isnt any difference in the graphics with the 2 systems?
i know its better playing it thru an HD tele but just a normal 100 hz will this be good enough to show off the superb graphics of the system.

Iv been an avid supporter of playstation all these years and i think i might be driffting to the other side as i just seen a video for gear wars and it looks so impresive, i had to pull my jaw back up from the ground lol

thanks for all replys

saxo :p
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1d, 2w agoPosted 1 decade, 2 weeks ago
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1 Like #1
I've heard the same, if you're not going to use it online, the hard drive isn't needed.

The 100Hz TV picture should be very good from the digital source [as good as DVD through 100Hz].

Sorry I can't help with the rest of your questions :) But I expect there are loads of members who can ;-)
2 Likes #2
1) You can use memory cards, but they are small (like 64MB) and they are EXPENSIVE compared to other memory e.g. for PCs. Some games require up to 100MB for saved games (although they are the minority) and obviously they wouldn't fit on a 64MB memory card. There is only a 70 quid difference between PREMIUM and CORE, and as you'd be spending another approx. 20 quid on a memory card, that only makes a 50 quid difference. You'll find that you'd fill up the memory card pretty quickly and wish you had a hard drive! (PS the memory card on play.com is 17.99 http://www.play.com/Games/Xbox360/4-/719739/-/Product.html?searchstring=360+memory&searchsource=0 )

2) This person probably meant that if you want to play xbox live then DEFINITELY get the premium version, rather than the other way round. You need the HDD to install dashboard / game updates from xbox live.

3) The graphics are no different on the CORE vs PREMIUM versions. The differences are as follows (from memory): -
* 20 GB HDD (premium only)
* Wireless controller (premium) vs wired controller (core)
* Headset (premium only)
* HD AV cable (premium) vs standard AV cable (core) --> Note the HD cable can be used to display standard video if you don't have a HDTV.
* The premium version has a silver front to the DVD drive, core has a white front.

In summary, if you buy the core you will probably wish you had gone for the premium at a later date, and it's much more expensive to buy the HDD, wireless controller and HD AV cable separately. Add on to that the fact that you'll have to buy a memory card with the core in order to save games, and you're better off going for the premium.

Play.com have some good deals currently on their Xbox 360's with some bundle deals for around 269 - 279 (i.e. the RRP for the Xbox 360) check out http://www.play.com/Search.aspx?searchtype=X360&searchstring=360+premium&page=search&pa=search

Hope that helps you.

Mark
#3
thank you loads rayman and mark rep both added for your usefull info
#4
The online function of the 360 is a lot more than playing games. It allows the 360 to download game demos, movies, music videos, tv episodes, game updates/ It also will act as a media centre, allowing you to play your music/pictures/video content from your P.C, either by ethernet cable or wirelessly.
One thing to consider about the Hard drive, its only 20GB, which is too small if you are going to download movies/games and keep them. I suspect in the near future a souped up premium edition with a bigger HD, eg 100GB and possibly alos the integrated HDDVD player may be released. May not be soon enough to delay purchase though.
I would def get the premium edition at the moment. :thumbsup:
#5
Yeah from what I've been reading a bigger hard drive is on its way at some point, but I wouldn't let that stop you getting a premium version. The large HDD is more for people who want to download full HD movies (as spudgun says), 20GB is definitely adequate for saved games and a few downloads.
#6
I'd deffinatly go for the premium version and connect it to xbox live, although you cant fully appreciate games like Call of Duty, Gears of War and Halo until you've played online. However if your not wanting to play online at least still keep it connected on a silver membership as you'll need to download updates to play some original xbox games as well as new content for your others eg. you can download new tracks & cars for racing games, new maps for shootem ups etc as well as stuff from the arcade like Doom and Street Fighter - All these have to go somewhere and a 64mb memory card just wont cut it.
#7
A wealth of knowledge on this site, lol thanks everyone
#8
ok now is the next task, lol where can i get the best going package ? lol
#9
Obviously you've seen Gears of War and would want that included in the bundle, any other games your after?
#10
I don't think this has been mentioned, there's no backwards compatibility without the hard drive either. Only reason to go for the core is if you can bag one extremely cheap (like Virgin doing a brief run for 100 pounds each) otherwise you're much better off with the Premium.

John
#11
Just that game would do minstrelman :thumbsup:
1 Like #12
Xbox 360 is an expensive purchase !!

I bought one & was happy with my 32" Sony CRT. I then seen it on a HD plasma............and bought a 50" HD tele (graphics are crap on normal TV's comapred to HDTV. I had to pull the couch to within 2 foot of the TV when on BF2 as I couldn;t see the enemy properly when sniping etc).

I was then very happy playing my xbox on a 50" HD TV............until I seen one linked up to surround sound. The surround sound gives you a HUGE advantage, especially online, as you know where people are coming from.

I then spent £250 on 5.1 surround sound !

Altogether, the 360 purchase has cost me around £2k - lol

Good Luck !!
#13
lol chris im not going out for all that equipment ill just have the xbox please lol
#14
I got the core system as I didn't need or want wireless controls, neither do I play online and neither did I need the hard drive. Worked out in the end about £90 cheaper including buying a memory card for the core system. Oh I bought the MS HD VGA Lead too.

I used to be a PS2 follower too. Don't reckon I will look twice at the PS3 when it comes out, Microsoft have done themselves proud.

Don't actually play it that much, but when I do, still amazes me!! With a HD TV and the HD lead, graphics are absolutely amazing. Top that out with true, in game 5.1 surround, and you'll be immersed into the game, PS2 can't even get close.

Well worth it, do it!
#15
im in 2 minds now whether to get the premium or the core, god i wish someone would buy my phone then ill be able to get the premium lol
#16
Forget to mention that john, although the only original xbox game worth getting would be Halo 2 IMO, still a massive online following for this.

Gamestation has a package where you can get Xbox 360 premium with Gow & either Pro Evo 6 or WWE Smackdown for £299.99.

If either of the Pro Evo or Smackdown doesnt take your fancy then simply trade them in, you'll get £25 for them against any other game, or £20 cash. There is also 6% quidco (works out at £17.94) plus the return on the unwanted game (£20) it works out at £262.05

Although before you trade in your game I reccomend you download a few demos from xbox live marketplace (you get 1 months xbox live membership in the pack) and see if theres any other game you fancy, then at least you maximise the money you save by trading it against another purchase.
#17
ChrisUK
Xbox 360 is an expensive purchase !!

I bought one & was happy with my 32" Sony CRT. I then seen it on a HD plasma............and bought a 50" HD tele (graphics are crap on normal TV's comapred to HDTV. I had to pull the couch to within 2 foot of the TV when on BF2 as I couldn;t see the enemy properly when sniping etc).

I was then very happy playing my xbox on a 50" HD TV............until I seen one linked up to surround sound. The surround sound gives you a HUGE advantage, especially online, as you know where people are coming from.

I then spent £250 on 5.1 surround sound !

Altogether, the 360 purchase has cost me around £2k - lol

Good Luck !!


:roll:

I sit too close even on a 50" my recation times slowed when sniping becuase I had to move my head to see either end of the screen.

Attention to all, dont watch that Gears of War video too many times I've been humming that Gary Jules track for the past 5 days.
#18
saxo_appeal
im in 2 minds now whether to get the premium or the core, god i wish someone would buy my phone then ill be able to get the premium lol


Answer these questions:

- Are you realisticly going to spend enough time on the Xbox to play online, or do you intend on having a blast on your own on single player games like I do.

- Do you NEED wireless controls (that need to be recharged, thats the one thing that put me off)

- Do you have a HD TV? (MS VGA cables comes with premium).

Oh, and I just bought the core system and bought my games elsewhere, didnt bother going for a bundle.
#19
saxo_appeal
lol chris im not going out for all that equipment ill just have the xbox please lol


We all said that...at first!!! :p
#20
spudgun

It also will act as a media centre, allowing you to play your music/pictures/video content from your P.C, either by ethernet cable or wirelessly.

I thought that Microsoft disabled video streaming functionality in Xbox360? At least it doesn't work via UPnP protocol like other media extenders do.
Can you please explain how video streaming to Xbox360 work? Is MCE PC required for this?
1 Like #21
You NEED to play it online. Thats 90% of the fun !!!

Gmaes such as COD3, I completed in under a week, but you can spend months playing it online, and the multiplayer is 100% better than the original single player game.

You also need to play online to unlock around 50% of the achievements on most games.

Plus, you DO NEED a wireless controller. When the powerpack runs out, I use the play & charge kit. An hour or two later & it's fully charged for another few weeks :)

It's also good to download the demo's. Thats saved me a few quid over time, I download the demo's I think I might want to buy, and if I dont like them, I've saved myself £40 !!

Just do it. If your not going to go the whole way & unlock it's true potential, I wouldn't bother at all, get yourself a Sega Megadrive !!
#22
Yes - you can stream via your Media Centre PC
1 Like #23
ChrisUK
You NEED to play it online. Thats 90% of the fun !!!

Gmaes such as COD3, I completed in under a week, but you can spend months playing it online, and the multiplayer is 100% better than the original single player game.

You also need to play online to unlock around 50% of the achievements on most games.

Plus, you DO NEED a wireless controller. When the powerpack runs out, I use the play & charge kit. An hour or two later & it's fully charged for another few weeks :)

It's also good to download the demo's. Thats saved me a few quid over time, I download the demo's I think I might want to buy, and if I dont like them, I've saved myself £40 !!

Just do it. If your not going to go the whole way & unlock it's true potential, I wouldn't bother at all, get yourself a Sega Megadrive !!


Chris, you sound like a major gamer though. Not everyone is into it quite as much as that, and thats who the core caters for.

Would be silly spending more money on a system saxo may not need?
#24
grdesign
- Do you have a HD TV? (MS VGA cables comes with premium).
No it's not the VGA cable, it's the HD AV cable (6 separate phono-type plugs rather than just 3). The VGA cable is to connect to computer monitors and can be purchased separately for around 20 quid.
#25
markwills
No it's not the VGA cable, it's the HD AV cable (6 separate phono-type plugs rather than just 3). The VGA cable is to connect to computer monitors and can be purchased separately for around 20 quid.


So you don't get the VGA cable with premium then? Ahhh, thought you did. Another reason to buy core and spec your core up then!

I bought the VGA cable for £20 myself.
#26
ChrisUK
Yes - you can stream via your Media Centre PC

Does that mean it will ONLY work with Media Centre and won't with Wizd/TVersity/Twonkyvision/etc (UPnP servers)? Is there some guide (I am going RTFM route :)) explaining the details of it?
#27
grdesign
Chris, you sound like a major gamer though. Not everyone is into it quite as much as that, and thats who the core caters for.

Would be silly spending more money on a system saxo may not need?
I think the HDD is necessary for game saves - a 64MB card will allow a few saves, maximum. I would hate not being able to save my progress in games! Also some updates are effectively patches for games (the one for Elderscrolls OblIVion being a prime example) and I don't think that they can be saved to memory cards. These patches often iron out bugs in games and are, in my opinion, necessary.

Go for the premium! Otherwise one day you'll be buying the HDD and spending more money overall ;-) If you want to save money, find a bundle with the game that sells for the most money and sell that game on Ebay (or on here).
#28
grdesign
So you don't get the VGA cable with premium then? Ahhh, thought you did. Another reason to buy core and spec your core up then!

I bought the VGA cable for £20 myself.
No, you get the HD AV cable (premium) as opposed to the standard AV cable (core). The HD AV cable is for high definition TVs, which many people use for the xbox. The HD AV cable also comes with a scart adapter for standard TVs.

The VGA cable connects to computer monitors and fewer people use this, as most connect their console to their TV. That is what the premium package is aimed at.
#29
I didn't get a media remote with mine - boo hoo :(

If anyone has one going spare.......
#30
ChrisUK
I didn't get a media remote with mine - boo hoo :(

If anyone has one going spare.......
Don't feel too bad... those media remotes came with the first wave release of Xboxs, and those were the ones with the highest percentage of problems (i.e. total breakdowns that had to be replaced by MS).

I got one of these xboxs (won it in a competition otherwise would have waited for a later release) with the remote and luckily it hasn't failed on me yet....!
#31
Kommunist
Does that mean it will ONLY work with Media Centre and won't with Wizd/TVersity/Twonkyvision/etc (UPnP servers)? Is there some guide (I am going RTFM route :)) explaining the details of it?


Apparently not - according to this link here, it is possible to share media with a PC equipped with Windows Media Player 11.

On the package front, it seems to be difficult to get hold of the PGR/Wireless Controller bundle in store at the moment - HMV/Game and Game Station by me don't do it any more.

So I bought the Premium system with PES 6 and Table Tennis for £299.99 from Game - then got Lego Star Wars II for an extra £20. Also got Game reward points to put towards more games :)
#32
my mates had 3 all fail on him. Every now & then I get a text saying "The 3 Red lights of death........"
#33
Thanks for that. Will take a closer look at XBox360 then :)
BTW, is there something like XBMC for it?
#34
Kommunist
I thought that Microsoft disabled video streaming functionality in Xbox360? At least it doesn't work via UPnP protocol like other media extenders do.
Can you please explain how video streaming to Xbox360 work? Is MCE PC required for this?


You can stream WMV files from an Windows XP PC either using Media player 11 or windows media connect. This is a new feature on the most recent dashboard upgrade. Prior to this you needed the Windows media centre OS.
However the WMV format does limit you. its likley most of your "video" content is avi/divx/xvid, this won't stream. I have found a few pieces of software to convert into WMV format. Transcode 360 is what is generally used to transcode if you have WMCE.
I have been using Riverpast Video Cleaner, works well but takes ages to transcode, also makes the file size much bigger.
See this AVforum thread for more info.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=417030
#35
spudgun
You can stream WMV files from an Windows XP PC either using Media player 11 or windows media connect. This is a new feature on the most recent dashboard upgrade. Prior to this you needed the Windows media centre OS.
However the WMV format does limit you. its likley most of your "video" content is avi/divx/xvid, this won't stream. I have found a few pieces of software to convert into WMV format. Transcode 360 is what is generally used to transcode if you have WMCE.
I have been using Riverpast Video Cleaner, works well but takes ages to transcode, also makes the file size much bigger.
See this AVforum thread for more info.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=417030

Thanks for the info. It looks like there is no way to move from Windows environment then. My idea was to setup PC-less environment similar to [email protected] as a server and DSM-320 as a client. Sounds like I'll have to wait until someone will break Xbox360 protection and make XBMC for 360.
#36
thanks everyone once again, yes im swaying more to the premium as iv always bought the best but i thought why should i when i aint ever going to go on line (never done it).
£300 is a heck of a lot of money to spend just before xmas lol
i think i might just wait till then and drop enough bloomin hints to the missus :p :giggle:
#37
Ok everyone i took the jump !! i listened to what everyone said on here, thanks again

I bought one from a person who is just 20 miles away from me and he closed the auction early on Ebay

here was the listing details:

Comes With 3 Games:

Ghost Recon:Advanced Warfighter
Hitman:Blood Money
Project Gotham Racing 3
Also Includes:

2 Wireless Controllers
Play And Charge Kit
HP Media Centre Remote Control (Not Pictured - forgot about it)
This Is The Premium Console So Also Includes 20GB Hard Drive, Component Cable for high def tv and silver DVD Tray.

This Item Comes Fully Boxed With All Manuals, I Have Wrapped It All Up With Original Packaging So You Would Hardly Know It's Been Used

Also Includes The 3 One Month Free Xbox Live gold trials when you sign up with a new Gamertag

The Xbox itself is In Mint Condition As All Of The Games And Accessories

Really Don't want to sell this item but Xmas is Coming Up So Someone Is Gonna Get My Pride And Joy :(


http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k181/saxo_appeal/8037_1_b1.jpg

Have a guess what i paid ?????
#38
13p, do i get a prize? i demand a prize for trying....

I'll be interested in getting 1 of those over xmas if the premium price is right , if the hd-dvd price falls maybe and if ms do a hdmi cable, what screen you using it on?
#39
100hz flat screen thomson tele (the big back kind) lol
#40
How much did u pay then? :-P

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