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Need some help hooking this up to XBOX Live if possible chaps & Chapettes!! I'm already hooked up but I'm getting realy bad lag and getting seriously sick of unloading a clip into someones chest on… Read More
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banned9y, 3m agoPosted 9 years, 3 months ago
Need some help hooking this up to XBOX Live if possible chaps & Chapettes!!

I'm already hooked up but I'm getting realy bad lag and getting seriously sick of unloading a clip into someones chest on CoD4, which dooesn't kill them, only to find out that I'm already dead!

Its seriously doing my nut in! So have decided to sort it!



But I need some help from you great lot at HUKD



Currrently setup is:
Router downstairs far end of the house (So too far to run cable!)
PC in my room
USB Receiver attached to PC
Ethernet to PC<>360



In case it matters the networking bits are:
Wireless G Plus MIMO Router
http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=203415

Wireless G Plus MIMO USB Network Adapter
http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=272959





I only have 'up to 2MB broadband' (crappy and probably less than half that but I live in the Countryside so no cable broadband :( ).

Not bothered to much about download speeds on PC.
But how can I speed it up/get rid of lag so can play online??
Please bear in mind, I am technically minded, but not at all when it comes to networking! So much so I had to get my mate over to do it for me (Plus the Belkin things are NOT easy to install - wrong IP didn't help!).
I don't mind replacing Belkin's at all so long as I can afford it if thats the problem

How can I fix this?
Cheaper the better but don't want to go over £50 really unless its something really good thats gonna speed up everything.



HELP ME HUKD, YOUR MY ONLY HOPE!



REP for all helpers

Thanks Folks I really appreciate this :)
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banned9y, 3m agoPosted 9 years, 3 months ago
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I bought a 1m ethernet cable for £6 and all i did was thread it from my bedroom, downstairs and into living room.

Easy enough to do and you barely get lag :D
banned#2
My room is top end of the house, router plugged in other end of the house.

Would need to get about 25m at least (Old house a lot of threading to do!)
#3
You could try some powerline adaptors/ homeplugs to join xbox to router? (about £50)
do you get same lag in other online games?
banned#4
J9STL
You could try some powerline adaptors/ homeplugs to join xbox to router? (about £50)
do you get same lag in other online games?


To be honest I have only played CoD4 and Halo online.....Halo's even worse!!
#5
Then get a 25m cable :P eioll be cheaper than £50.
#6
ODB_69
My room is top end of the house, router plugged in other end of the house.

Would need to get about 25m at least (Old house a lot of threading to do!)


have you tried with the xbox sat beside ithe router to see how good it is when it is in direct line of sight? (old house thick walls & other possible interference degrading signal perhaps?)
banned#7
vengod
Then get a 25m cable :P eioll be cheaper than £50.


LOL....Don't think that will go down too well in the house!:thumbsup:
#8
could you put "ping http://www.bbc.co.uk" into command prompt and tell me the average ping?
#9
vengod
Then get a 25m cable :P eioll be cheaper than £50.


I agree, would be cheapest option :thumbsup:
I would still try it wth xbox sitting alongside your router to see what is your best speed both wireless and via ethernet connectivity
banned#10
J9STL
have you tried with the xbox sat beside ithe router to see how good it is when it is in direct line of sight? (old house thick walls & other possible interference degrading signal perhaps?)


Yeah its old house....lots of Lead!!

Well Xbox needs to be in my room and Router plugged in downstairs.....can I move that?? only have 2 phone sockets downstairs and 1 in my room but net needs to be available downstairs due to a work computer in living room

As far as I know modem HAS to be used in downstairs, back room phone socket as its the original phone point so has strongest signal (according to BT guy that installed it 3 yrs ago)
banned#11
vixygwim
Speed (1 Mbps, 2 Mbps, 4 Mbps, 8 Mbps) doesn't matter when gaming is concerned, latency / ping does.

If your broadband has a high ping to the first hop (first router involved aside from your own, usually BT or ISP) then no matter how much you spend it isn't going to get any better.

I just did a quick test with AOL and the response time is about 33ms which aint bad.


errr........

Lamens terms??
banned#12
Robotochan
could you put "ping http://www.bbc.co.uk" into command prompt and tell me the average ping?


sorry mate in Manchester at mo....live in Stafford....won't be back until monday night
#13
ODB_69
Yeah its old house....lots of Lead!!

Well Xbox needs to be in my room and Router plugged in downstairs.....can I move that?? only have 2 phone sockets downstairs and 1 in my room but net needs to be available downstairs due to a work computer in living room

As far as I know modem HAS to be used in downstairs, back room phone socket as its the original phone point so has strongest signal (according to BT guy that installed it 3 yrs ago)


What i mean is take the xbox downstairs & set it up beside your router to see if it improves at all - if not by much, then other than trying direct cabling you may be stuck.
banned#14
J9STL
What i mean is take the xbox downstairs & set it up beside your router to see if it improves at all - if not by much, then other than trying direct cabling you may be stuck.


soz...no TV in that part of house
#15
Well, when you get back on Monday do what I said on both the machines, that'll tell us if it's a problem with the router/phone line/ISP or if it's your home network then we can troubleshoot from there :)
banned#16
just rung home, gonna get some1 to do it and will let you know

You only need the average times right? eg 12ms etc
banned#17
average 49ms on downstairs pc

lowest 39ms

max 79ms
#18
ODB _69
as a comparison, I have BT home hub hard wired to my pc and my ping was 42ms
xbox is in another room connected to hub via powerline adaptor.
Broadband connection details:
Downstream 4,800 Kbps
Upstream 448 Kbps
don't have CoD4, but have played Halo3, GRAW on live and not noticed any lag
banned#19
J9STL
ODB _69
as a comparison, I have BT home hub hard wired to my pc and my ping was 42ms
xbox is in another room connected to hub via powerline adaptor.
Broadband connection details:
Downstream 4,800 Kbps
Upstream 448 Kbps
don't have CoD4, but have played Halo3, GRAW on live and not noticed any lag


I stopped playing Halo as the lag on that always seems so much worse
#20
I can't be sure but it could be the router settings, you may need to forward the Xbox Live ports on your router but I'm not sure if it'd work with internet connection sharing
banned#21
Right, just got home and tried Ping.

Tried a couple of times:

1st time - Average 40ms

2nd time - lost 1 packet, 1 at 667ms and other 2 @ 42ms

3rd - Lost 1 packet, average 40

4th & 5th - Average 40-42ms


Any ideas?
#22
Right click on your task bar (I assume this is XP), and select task manager, check number of processes, and network monitoring, etc see if anything stick out that is hogging the CPU or your network.
#23
got your pm ODB, but not sure what to suggest other than cabling xbox to router to see if it's any better. it may be that wireless option is a non starter due to interference. Maybe Robotochan can help with router set-ups etc, like I said mine works (thankfully) and I did virtually no set-up to get it working via the homeplugs
banned#24
J9STL
got your pm ODB, but not sure what to suggest other than cabling xbox to router to see if it's any better. it may be that wireless option is a non starter due to interference. Maybe Robotochan can help with router set-ups etc, like I said mine works (thankfully) and I did virtually no set-up to get it working via the homeplugs


Homeplugs?
banned#25
Alfonse
Right click on your task bar (I assume this is XP), and select task manager, check number of processes, and network monitoring, etc see if anything stick out that is hogging the CPU or your network.


onlyb thing high right now is Internet explorer...11k....nothing else more than 1k....CPU running around 5%

so nothing draining it
#26
KK, check a couple of things

1. firewall, that its not blocking your XBox IP/Ports.

2. Do you get 'OPEN' on the network test from your XBox?

3. Do you have the ports neccesary unblocked on your router?

TCP 3074
UDP 3074
UDP 88
#27
homeplugs aka my comtrend powerline adaptors - these use the mains wiring to pass the bb from the router to distant location saving on direct wiring between the two
#28
wired is soo much more reliable!
banned#29
Alfonse
KK, check a couple of things

1. firewall, that its not blocking your XBox IP/Ports.

2. Do you get 'OPEN' on the network test from your XBox?

3. Do you have the ports neccesary unblocked on your router?

TCP 3074
UDP 3074
UDP 88


1 - I don't think Firewall is causing probs but not sure...

Windows Firewall is off.

Norton:
Personal Firewall ON
Intrusion Protection ON
Spyware Protection ON

Can't think of anymore that I have...Didn't download AOL ones

2 - OPEN....Changed settings a while back, but can't really tell difference from Moderate

3 - Haven't the foggiest? How do I check this?
banned#30
J9STL
homeplugs aka my comtrend powerline adaptors - these use the mains wiring to pass the bb from the router to distant location saving on direct wiring between the two


is this better than wieless then?

How do you connect to internet at final destination (PC) do you plug into the homeplugs? Surely nees something to connect the 2 like a dongle or something?

so its like the wiredd...but without the wires?
#31
My BT Home hub has 2 ethernet ports.
port 1 connects to rj45 lead from the powerline adaptor plugged into mains
other powerline adaptor is plugged in next to xbox and rj45 lead from this goes to the xbox - completing the circuit as it where.(thru mains wiring)
port 2 of homehub has rj45 lead into rear of pc
no set-up to do worked out of the box!
banned#32
J9STL
My BT Home hub has 2 ethernet ports.
port 1 connects to rj45 lead from the powerline adaptor plugged into mains
other powerline adaptor is plugged in next to xbox and rj45 lead from this goes to the xbox - completing the circuit as it where.(thru mains wiring)
port 2 of homehub has rj45 lead into rear of pc
no set-up to do worked out of the box!


thats pretty cool...how much is BT homehub etc? Paying £15 per month at mo

can you buy more ports? have 2 pc...1 Upstairs, 1 Down...plus XBOX.

360 & PC right next to each other? Would I need 3?
#33
http://www.broadband-finder.co.uk/broadband-directory/bt-broadband/

I also got BTvision & hence got the two powerline adaptors free, BUT (and it's a big but btw) I work for them and got all this kit for a one -off £1 fee.
Homeplug solution and any router should work, you just need to use google and read up at various forums for equipment specific guides.

oh, and the bb is free for me too! (still pay for bt line rental)
Perk of the job in this case eh?
#34
ODB_69
thats pretty cool...how much is BT homehub etc? Paying £15 per month at mo

can you buy more ports? have 2 pc...1 Upstairs, 1 Down...plus XBOX.

360 & PC right next to each other? Would I need 3?


From the fact ur ping is losing packets i would say there is a problem with signal strength on your wireless and homeplugs are within you budget but if your wiring is dodgy u may just end up no better.
try looking at the routers webpage to make sure there is nothing interfering with the signal between it and the telephone exchange some can even ping sites so if no loss there its def the wifi
1 Like #35
ODB_69
thats pretty cool...how much is BT homehub etc? Paying £15 per month at mo

can you buy more ports? have 2 pc...1 Upstairs, 1 Down...plus XBOX.

homehub has two ethernet ports and additional USB A & USB B connectivity
ie one pc could connect via USB lead if it's close, leaving your two ethernet ports free - one for pc and one for xbox - or use a separate switch/router upstairs from one of the ports via powerline adaptors and split the bb between both the pc and the xbox
(does this make sense?)

360 & PC right next to each other? Would I need 3?
banned#36
maddogb
From the fact ur ping is losing packets i would say there is a problem with signal strength on your wireless and homeplugs are within you budget but if your wiring is dodgy u may just end up no better.
try looking at the routers webpage to make sure there is nothing interfering with the signal between it and the telephone exchange some can even ping sites so if no loss there its def the wifi


Wiring as far as I know is spot on, never had any problems

So can you buy the hommehubs to use with current setup or would I need to get something else?

I think its more about the interference from the house and the range its quite far with a lot of stuff in between. I lost internet occasionally just on PC, so guessing with Live it needs a strong signal, hence the 'connection interupted' messages
1 Like #37
if the wiring is good(ie copper)then homeplugs will be fine its really only on older steel/aluminium wiring u get problems or where there is a spur on a spur, or a short etc
Also you seem to be confusing homeplugs with homehubs they are totally unconnected u can use homplugs with your exising router
I would still advise checking out the line status tho afterall why spend money if u dont need to
Look on the bright side u can get a pair (u will need a minimum of 2)of homplugs from ebuyer for about £50 for the 85mbs versions and if they didn't (unlikely)work you can usually get close to that on ebay for them
to use on the upstairs u might want to add a cheap 4 port hub/switch so that both pc and xbox can use the homeplug and taht would nudge u up to free delivery limit
banned#38
maddogb
if the wiring is good(ie copper)then homeplugs will be fine its really only on older steel/aluminium wiring u get problems or where there is a spur on a spur, or a short etc
Also you seem to be confusing homeplugs with homehubs they are totally unconnected u can use homplugs with your exising router
I would still advise checking out the line status tho afterall why spend money if u dont need to
Look on the bright side u can get a pair (u will need a minimum of 2)of homplugs from ebuyer for about £50 for the 85mbs versions and if they didn't (unlikely)work you can usually get close to that on ebay for them
to use on the upstairs u might want to add a cheap 4 port hub/switch so that both pc and xbox can use the homeplug and taht would nudge u up to free delivery limit


Right, so tomorrow night I will go on one of those sites that check my speed (I assume thats whatb you mean by line status?!) and then I will give serious consideration to getting those magical plugs and HOPEFULLY everything will be sorted
#39
ODB_69
Right, so tomorrow night I will go on one of those sites that check my speed (I assume thats whatb you mean by line status?!) and then I will give serious consideration to getting those magical plugs and HOPEFULLY everything will be sorted


no m8, not an online site, your router has a "website" built in to it, that will be able to tell you connection rates etc. to find;
a open up a command prompt and type "ipconfig" and press enter
b look down the list of numbers for "default gateway" the ip address, i think the belkins are usually 192.168.0.1 or similar

type this number after the http:\\ in your browsers address bar so it looks like
http:\\192.168.1.1 (example) and press enter this should take you too a webpage which allows access to router settings/status pages
banned#40
maddogb
no m8, not an online site, your router has a "website" built in to it, that will be able to tell you connection rates etc. to find;
a open up a command prompt and type "ipconfig" and press enter
b look down the list of numbers for "default gateway" the ip address, i think the belkins are usually 192.168.0.1 or similar

type this number after the http:\\ in your browsers address bar so it looks like
http:\\192.168.1.1 (example) and press enter this should take you too a webpage which allows access to router settings/status pages


Oh right with you know, yeah I know about this, had to change it to Open from Moderate few weeks back....not that it did anything

So what do I need to look at in particular on this? Just connection rates?

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