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Yet another British police officer murdered..

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banned7y, 10m agoPosted 7 years, 10 months ago
hidden in the news but if its was a police officer in the wrong it would be on a forum like this in 2 seconds..

A fine officer murdered by some scum..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7930012.stm
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banned7y, 10m agoPosted 7 years, 10 months ago
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banned#1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7930012.stm
bent cop..? No good cop.. so where are all the forum do gooders now:x

RIP fella
#2
well said m8 they shoot sum1 every ones up in arms they get killed its all hush hush
#3


Sad state of affairs, he wasn't targetted because he was an officer though, was off duty when it happened and he and the murder suspect are not known to each other
#4
bring back hanging. simple solution to the cancerous scum that now inhabit our society
banned#5
very sad that anyone looses their life, wether a police officer or not x
#6
IMO trying to a make a point using the death of another human being is in bad taste
#7
Sorry ADZ1478 - hanging has never and will never work as deterrent
#8
That's nothing, about 10 years ago there was an incident involving 2 asian families in Slough - family A didn't like the fact that family B's son was going out with their daughter.

All came to a head and the girls family chopped the guys head off - threw it in the street.

Never even made the local news.

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Human being first, off-duty police officer second.
#9
MoneySavingG
IMO trying to a make a point using the death of another human being is in bad taste


Im sure he's not using it to make a point, he is just sad at another fallen colleague,
#10
illegitimi_uk;4576125
Sorry ADZ1478 - hanging has never and will never work as deterrent


Not exactly true. It was a deterrent at one time, but not any longer - the do-gooders have seen to that. I believe in capital punishment, but since we do not have it anymore, then life should be for the whole of the natural life.
#11
robtallica
That's nothing, about 10 years ago there was an incident involving 2 asian families in Slough - family A didn't like the fact that family B's son was going out with their daughter.

All came to a head and the girls family chopped the guys head off - threw it in the street.

Never even made the local news.

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Human being first, off-duty police officer second.


I find that hard to believe thb, but you cant prove it as it never made the LOCAL news? chopping someones head of and throwing it in the street??? come on, didnt even make the LOCAL news, pahh someones talking rubbish,
#12
MoneySavingG
IMO trying to a make a point using the death of another human being is in bad taste


IMO its quite pathetic too.

Why not just point out the story and let people comment on it, rather than ramming your opinion that we all think this is fine in our faces? Just because some of us thought that the officer in America was bang out of order does not mean we condone the killers of this officer.
#13
ChipSticks
IMO its quite pathetic too.

Why not just point out the story and let people comment on it, rather than ramming your opinion that we all think this is fine in our faces? Just because some of us thought that the officer in America was bang out of order does not mean we condone the killers of this officer.


The guy works for the Police, and one of his fellow officers has been murdered, im just glad that there are forums like this now for him to express his sadness and anger, my father was in the police for 28 years and used to take his sadness and anger out on the bottle and my family,
#14
clondikemike
I find that hard to believe thb, but you cant prove it as it never made the LOCAL news? chopping someones head of and throwing it in the street??? come on, didnt even make the LOCAL news, pahh someones talking rubbish,


Yep, my parents had friends who lived in the area who passed the story onto us.

You wouldn't believe what goes on without your knowledge, I have a friend who is a pathologist and you'd be amazed at some of the story's she tells me that don't get released.
#15
clondikemike
The guy works for the Police, and one of his fellow officers has been murdered, im just glad that there are forums like this now for him to express his sadness and anger, my father was in the police for 28 years and used to take his sadness and anger out on the bottle and my family,


Totally agree, what I don't agree with is the way it's implied that we're not interested in the story, or don't care, just because it's not a 'bent cop' story.
#16
robtallica
Yep, my parents had friends who lived in the area who passed the story onto us.

You wouldn't believe what goes on without your knowledge, I have a friend who is a pathologist and you'd be amazed at some of the story's she tells me that don't get released.


So its a story that has been passed on, a bit like the guy who goes for a drink and wakes up the next day on a beach feeling groggy, his side hurts and when he looks at it he has a huge scar and his kidney has been removed?? its a fable, if you think about it seriously, someone chopping someones head of in Slough and throwing it in the street didnt make the local news when one of the headlines at the Slough observer today is "Cricket chairman hits out at pavilion vandals" lol
#17
ChipSticks
Totally agree, what I don't agree with is the way it's implied that we're not interested in the story, or don't care, just because it's not a 'bent cop' story.


Maybe hes just a bit fed up with the things that he has to go through and the things he has to see, we should applaud the work they do, i dont think i could to be honest, my dad actively put me off joining the Police as he didnt want me to witness the things he did, and you know what you are like when you are a kid, you just want to be like your dad,
#18
illegitimi_uk
Sorry ADZ1478 - hanging has never and will never work as deterrent


OK then lets try the electric chair. .......

How do you know it wont work? best way to keep scum off the street if you ask me. What better way of eliminating any future threat?
What about the peadophile who is regularly having sex with children and will continue to do so when he is let out?
How about if you had children and he raped your 5 year old daughter. Would you have the same opinion. Do you have any idea of the impact on the family unit, come and work with me and dogcop and your bleeding heart liberal opinion will change, guaranteed. They genuinely dont care about what they do. Extreme example, perhaps and i apologise if anyone on this forum has gone through anything like this. 15 years of seeing destroyed children hanging themselves due to abuse can make you see things through a different light

This is my opinion and therefore cannot be wrong as it is an opinion. The topic is debatable, as is every topic, as to whether we should have capital punishment or not, but my opinion is correct because it is my opinion and I have freedom of thought.
My opinion is borne out of experiences and therefore evidenced. I respect your opinion, but my way will eliminate the threat when these people get out. Its cheaper and more effective. What is your suggestion? have a few chats with them, lets call it counselling and then send them back out to kill?
#19
Dog cop is venting frustration and this forum is a good place for support for the likes of us. I can see where he is coming from as the police bashing threads are a bit tedious. We are all human and through our choice of profession see things that affect us daily. Cut him some slack guys
#20
ADZ1478;4577110
OK then lets try the electric chair. .......

How do you know it wont work? best way to keep scum off the street if you ask me. What better way of eliminating any future threat?


No wonder the police are so criticized if this is the attitude of a serving officer, any capital punishment is dependant on the police getting it right 100% of the time, what you never make mistakes?
[helper]#21
ADZ1478
Dog cop is venting frustration and this forum is a good place for support for the likes of us. I can see where he is coming from as the police bashing threads are a bit tedious. We are all human and through our choice of profession see things that affect us daily. Cut him some slack guys

I agree with you on this adz but disagree quite strongly with your opinions on the dealth penalty but with respect to Dog Cop its probably best to keep the thread on topic :)
#22
I may well have missed the bit in the news article. Why are those with police links saying this guy was murdered. From what I have seen so far there was not anything to suggest more than a hit and run, which could happen to anyone.
Not nice when anyone dies. Murder is pre-meditated which would suggest the driver knew the identity of the policeman. Please fill me in if I have missed items.

Not being difficult here. Unless there is more info that has not been released, much of this thread appears to be an angry knee jerk reaction to speculation.
#23
The title is misleading just like the one you crucified the other member when they posted about about some unknown in seattle. Whats your point in this post he was off duty and did not know the arrested man very strange ????
#24
harlzter
No wonder the police are so criticized if this is the attitude of a serving officer, any capital punishment is dependant on the police getting it right 100% of the time, what you never make mistakes?


We dont make the decision on guilt, the courts do. We gather whatever evidence we can and put it before the court. So, lets try again shall we....Do the COURTS get it wrong sometimes, hell yes.
The police require only suspicion to arrest. The charge is determined by the Crown Prosecution service, guilt as Ive said, by the court

My opinion/attitude is born from experiences. This has no reflection on what I do in work, I stopped getting wound up by the lack of proper sentencing a long time ago. A jury is made up of members of the public who make the decisions - not the police.
I can have whatever opinion I like and it is irrelevant in criminal judicioury proceedings which is after all "beyond all reasonable doubt"
Just one other point, this isnt the opinion of the "police" it is mine

Anyway, we are way off topic. So why not offer some support to dog cop.
#25
clondikemike
I find that hard to believe thb, but you cant prove it as it never made the LOCAL news? chopping someones head of and throwing it in the street??? come on, didnt even make the LOCAL news, pahh someones talking rubbish,


It's true - I'm local to him and remember when this happened. Someone literally had their head hacked or chopped off and it was just thrown in the street. It never made the local news on tv, but it MIGHT have had a 1 or 2 line piece in a cheap freebie paper, I can't remember for certain. But it certainly wasn't covered much at all for some reason.


But with regards to the OP, it is very sad hearing about yet another life being taken and I hope they catch whoever did this
banned#26
ADZ1478

This is my opinion and therefore cannot be wrong as it is an opinion. The topic is debatable, as is every topic, as to whether we should have capital punishment or not, but my opinion is correct because it is my opinion and I have freedom of thought.
My opinion is borne out of experiences and therefore evidenced.


Where?
Every set of figures i have seen shows no evidence that capital punishment works as a deterrant. In fact some states in the US that have it have higher than average murder rates. Not a good deterrant surely if it doesn't actually deter?

Oh and as regards cost......it costs more to execute someone than keep them in jail for life.

As to this story, I fail to see how its murder, from what the article reads it is a hit and run, don't see where the premeditation is.
#27
who said anything about a deterrent? not me.
It will eliminate any future threat. Agreed?
Howard Hughes living next door to you and your family when he comes out anyone? Will you let him a room in your family house?

i didnt think so
#28
harlzter
No wonder the police are so criticized if this is the attitude of a serving officer, any capital punishment is dependant on the police getting it right 100% of the time, what you never make mistakes?


You are right about the attitude harlzter. Is the OP a police officer? I'm quite shocked by this actually.

My thoughts are similar to a few others on here: namely, that anybody killed in malice is something to mourn. But aggression is the problem, not the solution.
#29
Why is the thread title "Police officer murdered"
Why not something like "Hit and run victim was a police officer"
Is there more info available that has not been released?
#30
ADZ1478;4577387
We dont make the decision on guilt, the courts do. We gather whatever evidence we can and put it before the court. So, lets try again shall we....Do the COURTS get it wrong sometimes, hell yes.
The police require only suspicion to arrest. The charge is determined by the Crown Prosecution service, guilt as Ive said, by the court

My opinion/attitude is born from experiences. This has no reflection on what I do in work, I stopped getting wound up by the lack of proper sentencing a long time ago. A jury is made up of members of the public who make the decisions - not the police.
I can have whatever opinion I like and it is irrelevant in criminal judicioury proceedings which is after all "beyond all reasonable doubt"
Just one other point, this isnt the opinion of the "police" it is mine

Anyway, we are way off topic. So why not offer some support to dog cop.


Pass the book then, it doesnt matter because we can blame someone else.
#31
WoolyM
Why is the thread title "Police officer murdered"
Why not something like "Hit and run victim was a police officer"
Is there more info available that has not been released?


Good questions. There is a lot of misdirected anger and prejudice in this thread. It seems the subject is little more than an excuse to exercise them.
#32
WoolyM
Why is the thread title "Police officer murdered"
Why not something like "Hit and run victim was a police officer"
Is there more info available that has not been released?


As close to home as OP a cop, but was hit and run so how is it a murder? Just shows how people react when its their own and have only one sided opinions and dont want to any other side of the story!! Hhhhmmm strange, seen that enough on this forum, as when it comes down to other stories people are always in the wrong!
banned#33
ADZ1478
who said anything about a deterrent? not me.


illegitimi_uk
:
Sorry ADZ1478 - hanging has never and will never work as deterrent

you replied

OK then lets try the electric chair. .......

When you reply to a quote about a deterrent what are you talking about if not what you quoted?

It will eliminate any future threat. Agreed?
Howard Hughes living next door to you and your family when he comes out anyone? Will you let him a room in your family house?

i didnt think so


And how exactly would a full life tariff pose a risk to the public?
Of course when you and your collegues make a mistake (deliberate or not) and as a result the courts make a wrong decision someone serving a full life tariff could be released, someone dead cannot be brought back to life.
#34
This thread was made in response to this thread http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/349211/you-can-t-trust-the-us-police-in-se/ Totally unconnected but dog cop got the hump on it because people like myself was saying the scum bully of a us cop should be sent down for beating this young girl but he chose to stick up for him very strange now he posts this i think he needs helps. And dog cop you need to change the tittle as its misleading just like the seattle one you made such a big thing about.

PS, Naeem786 you post is so true.
#35
colinsunderland
you replied



When you reply to a quote about a deterrent what are you talking about if not what you quoted?



And how exactly would a full life tariff pose a risk to the public?
Of course when you and your collegues make a mistake (deliberate or not) and as a result the courts make a wrong decision someone serving a full life tariff could be released, someone dead cannot be brought back to life.


What??

"Full life tariff", "deliberate or not", "quotes" The old ""dead cant be brought back to life" argument.
Does this apply to the victims or are we just talking about the offender caught 100% bang to rights.
I think you could educate quite a few violent offenders so that they dont do anything bad again. You have your own opinion so you got me, you are far to intelligent for me to have an opinion, you win. What do I know!
I can now move on in my life safe in the knowledge that we have "full life" tariffs that are imposed regularly.
"On 24 November 2002, the then Home Secretary David Blunkett announced that four convicted child murderers would each spend a minimum of 50 years behind bars before being considered parole. Howard Hughes was one of them, the others were Roy Whiting, Timothy Morss and Brett Tyler"
The number to bear in mind here is FOUR. Even then it is not full life.
Colin, wake up and smell the roses
banned#36
ADZ1478

Colin, wake up and smell the roses


You said you weren't talking about deterrents when you obviously were.
You said it was cheaper to execute when it isn't.
You asked for suggestions as alternatives to capital punishment, I said full life tariffs. I asked how would executing someone have a better chance of stopping someone from doing it again if instead they were never released. You now bring up 4 people who will be inside for 50 years. So what? If nothing it proves that full life works.

Again though you are wrong as even under the current system there are more than 4 people in jail who have full life tarifs, there are about 40, inc Rose West for example.

I didn't say the system works now, and I certainly didn't say anything about full life tariffs being imposed regulary.

As for the 'deliberate or not' comment, please don't insult my intelligence and try to say no one has ever been fitted up by corrupt police.

Do i think its right nonces are released after a few months in jail? Of course not.
Do I think its right murderers are released after 8 years in some cases, again of course not.
Do I think its right that someone could be killed for a crime he/she didn't commit? Of course not.
If it was possible to prove innocence or guilt 100% in every case would i support the death penalty? Quite possibly.

Heres a question, out of all the people you arrest, how many would you honestly say expected to be caught at the time they committed the crime?
#37
harlzter
Pass the book then, it doesnt matter because we can blame someone else.


we dont have a book we have an evidential file that consists of witness statements from members of the public generally, cctv, forensics etc. All of which, quite rightly, can be challenged at court.

Did you mean
"When the dealer had finished dealing the cards he "passed the buck". According to Martin, the earliest use of the phrase in print is in the July 1865 edition of Weekly New Mexican: "They draw at the commissary, and at poker after they have passed the buck." The phrase then appears frequently in many sources so it probably originated at about this time. However, Mark Twain cited it as common slang in Virginia City when he was a reporter there in 1862"

My comments are designed to educate regarding the current british judicial process. Not the same one of 30 years ago where the police did everything.
The truth of it is, that these days we are very much independant in investigating offences. We dont even make a decision to charge someone, that is now generally the CPS.

If during an interview, a detained person comes up with a witness that may assist them. We will take statements from them and incorporate it into the evidential file. Not hide it, we couldnt do that even if we wanted to as the information would be on the taped interview.

it is right that the police are independant in these maters and these are the steps that we have to go through to get, say a shoplifting to court

1. call is identified as a crime by the call taker
2 officer attends and confirms the theft at the scene
3. all evidence is obtained (cctv, statements, exhibits for forensics etc)
4. arrest takes place and circs given to custody sergeant, who will refuse detention if their is insufficient evidence
5. interview takes place with solicitor etc.
6. incident discussed with custody sergeant who, if it passes the threshold test will authorise going to the gatekeeper
7. the gatekeeper (a sergeant) will review the evidence and if they are happy allow it to go to CPS
8. CPS will decide to charge or not, or maybe request more info
9. File goes to a file prep unit who will go through it again to make sure everything is ready for court
10. the job goes to court, who decide on guilt

Pass the buck.......hardly
#38
colin
your level of intelligence has never been in doubt in my mind,
who is "the corrupt police" that has fitted someone up? give me a recent one from North Wales

I had in my mind a picture of you, I could see you counselling some of these extremely violent offenders
you could pull up a beanbag and run some lessons, tree hugging, talking to plants, knitting maybe

However, you have redeemed yourself somewhat due to the following
"Do i think its right nonces are released after a few months in jail? Of course not.
Do I think its right murderers are released after 8 years in some cases, again of course not.
Do I think its right that someone could be killed for a crime he/she didn't commit? Of course not.
If it was possible to prove innocence or guilt 100% in every case would i support the death penalty? Quite possibly."

So I am going to leave you alone and go arrest some bad people in the morning. I might get kicked in the face again or *****ed with a syringe whilst I am trying to keep members of the public safe. I might get run over like a sgt recently who thankfully went over the bonnet and roof of a car and not underneath it like the poor guy who this thread was all about. night
#39
Lets hope they arrest this officer for murder too: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/7931036.stm to keep things fair. The only difference we can be sure of is the guy in the op drove off, which can be down to panic in some cases.

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