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8y, 9m agoPosted 8 years, 9 months ago
Yes, I saw this on front of a news paper, possibly your beloved "The Sun"
A debate on whether Capital Punishment should be brought back and enforced under law.


Do you agree?
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8y, 9m agoPosted 8 years, 9 months ago
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#1
In certain cases, yes.

There is no detorent these days. Just a nice comfy cell with a TV and Playstation.

It'll never happen though.
banned 1 Like #2
Why stop there?

We could be hung, drawn and quartered. The drawn makes it sound like you get drawn whilst being hung.
#3
No, I don't agree. :)

How can you justify the murdering of someone as a punishment for murder?

And what do you do if you make a mistake?
#4
JDeal
We could be hung, drawn and quartered. The drawn makes it sound like you get drawn whilst being hung.


Only if you guess all the letters correctly, if not you only get a partial drawing.
1 Like #5
I would prefer if the victims families can pelt stones at the criminal/murderer.
#6
nightswimmer;1632577
And this isn't the case with humans?

[COLOR=Navy]Maybe so but a human has the ability to seek help for their problems, but my point is the dogs have been specifically trained to be nasty![/COLOR]



So an 18 year old boy has consensual sex with a 14 year old girl. The parents insist he goes to court, where he is convicted of rape. He deserves to die does he?
[COLOR=Blue]What difference does it matter if he is 18 28,38 or 48 etc?? Its still wrong and as a 14 year old is under the age of consent there is no way she could have given you consesual sex!! The law is there to protect our kids, I know 14 year olds may ACT older but deep down they are still only 14, pedoifillia ism still illegal and deservedly so![/COLOR]

There is also no known test for potential rapists and peadophiles. Any human being is capable of these things, along with murder and horrific acts of violence, so why take the chance of them offending in the first place, lets kill them all. :)

[COLOR=Blue]Taking the mick a bit now I dont know if that deserves an answer, but there is actually a test that can be done by monitoring a persons brainwaves as they are shown a series of images and videos. But the point is once someone has committed their first sexual crime the urge to do it again will never go away.[/COLOR]



You still get things like laboratory mistakes and planted evidence. The fact that DNA 'doesn't lie' makes it even more likely in such circumstances that an innocent person will be convicted.:)
[COLOR=Blue]MMmm but why would the police need to set someone up and plant evidence for a sexual or violent crime? Because they know youy are scum and know you need to be off of the streets, yet with the advancement of DNA as evidence the chances are the police would be even less likely to plant evidence to convict a sex offender or serial killer as the crimes would still continue and then it would fall back on the the po-lice what they had done in regards to the previous conviction![/COLOR]



#7
instead of death, just keep em in a room with a ps3:p
#8
harvie316
instead of death, just keep em in a room with a ps3:p


Why? That's a luxury.

I'll tell you my side tomorrow. It's too late for me

Even though I'm still up.
#9
which is even worse when you consider that the dog is more than likely viscous because of the way its human has treated it and brought it up!


And this isn't the case with humans?

There is no known effective cure for rapists and pedofiles so why release them after a sentence only for them to re-offend?? Why take that chance? Again then capital punishment = YES!!!


So an 18 year old boy has consensual sex with a 14 year old girl. The parents insist he goes to court, where he is convicted of rape. He deserves to die does he?

There is also no known test for potential rapists and peadophiles. Any human being is capable of these things, along with murder and horrific acts of violence, so why take the chance of them offending in the first place, lets kill them all. :)

The argument about executing an innocent person is largely invalid these days due to the advancement of DNA forensics and the forensics in general, simply put DNA doesnt lie!


You still get things like laboratory mistakes and planted evidence. The fact that DNA 'doesn't lie' makes it even more likely in such circumstances that an innocent person will be convicted.
#10
nightswimmer
And this isn't the case with humans?



So an 18 year old boy has consensual sex with a 14 year old girl. The parents insist he goes to court, where he is convicted of rape. He deserves to die does he?

There is also no known test for potential rapists and peadophiles. Any human being is capable of these things, along with murder and horrific acts of violence, so why take the chance of them offending in the first place, lets kill them all. :)



You still get things like laboratory mistakes and planted evidence. The fact that DNA 'doesn't lie' makes it even more likely in such circumstances that an innocent person will be convicted.


Me thinks rapists should be castrated and then have their ***** kept for DNA.

Gutted.
#11
personally, i'm all for the death penalty. take a life? then you lose the right to live yours.
#12
shanecr
personally, i'm all for the death penalty. take a life? then you lose the right to live yours.


Exactly.

Human rights?

You've killed someone, where's their human rights to live?


Therefore, why should you deserve human rights?
banned#13
Without rapists, some of us wouldn't get any! My local one is called Hank.

I wouldn't trust the evidence fully. Either way, the criminals would have to be held for a long time incase of any mistakes like this. Is it also not the easy way out anyway? Unless of course the sentence was handed out in a barbaric manner, which wouldn't be seen as humane. Then if you can have the death penalty, can we have the option of assisted suicide?

It's all pie in the sky anyway. It will never happen. Also, if you visit those that are in for murder, you will find that some of them are a lot more like you then you think. A lot of them are much more "human-like" than those with repeated petty crimes. Could you honestly say you wouldn't lash out or hunt down someone that has hurt a member of your family?

Kind Regards,

JDeal.
Cell 44...
#14
harlzter
Maybe so but a human has the ability to seek help for their problems,


That's assuming they know that they have problems, and realise that any thoughts/impulses they have are not 'normal'.

What difference does it matter if he is 18 28,38 or 48 etc?? Its still wrong and as a 14 year old is under the age of consent there is no way she could have given you consesual sex!! The law is there to protect our kids, I know 14 year olds may ACT older but deep down they are still only 14, pedoifillia ism still illegal and deservedly so!


Biology doesn't work like that though. There are some people over the age of 16 who do not have the capacity to give considered consent, and there are those under 16 who do. In Canada the age of consent is 14, in India it's 18. Are you really saying that someone should be killed because they had sex with someone a couple years younger than them who they may not even have known was that age, just because the law has insisted on some arbitrary number?

BTW paedophilia itself is not a crime.

Taking the mick a bit now I dont know if that deserves an answer


Sorry. :) I guess my point was, the justice system works on the principle of being innocent until proven guilty. You were wanting to kill people based on their potential to do crime in the future, I was just taking that logic to it's ultimate conclusion.
#15
JDeal;1632593

Also, if you visit those that are in for murder, you will find that some of them are a lot more like you then you think.
[COLOR=Blue]Visit them? Ive served alongside those nearing the end of a life sentence, most of them are straight talking and not been into petty crime - they have been into heavy crime from day one.[/COLOR]

A lot of them are much more "human-like" than those with repeated petty crimes.
[COLOR=Blue]Those with repeated petty crimes tend to be drug users anyway so on a different scale full stop![/COLOR]

Could you honestly say you wouldn't lash out or hunt down someone that has hurt a member of your family?
[COLOR=Blue]Too right I would, but the difference is Ive got some great places where a body would litterally disappear!:thumbsup:[/COLOR]

Kind Regards,

JDeal.
Cell 44...
#16
JDeal
Could you honestly say you wouldn't lash out or hunt down someone that has hurt a member of your family?


Yes. :|
#17
I don't think the death penalty should be brought back but I do think that prisons should be made a LOT less "comfortable"
banned#18
I'm going to pretend I haven't posted in this yet :

I do not agree that the death sentence should be reinstated. For multiple reasons which you may or may not agree with.

For a start, I stand by the thought that for some, death really wouldn't be so bad - for those who have the "no suicide" rule in their religion it may even be better. The death sentence could be an ideal new identity program, once the public have been informed of the convict being destroyed, who is to say they have not just been reintroduced to society with a new identity? Ok, so it could be televised - in a society where swearing is not allowed on this internet forum?

An eye for an eye, makes us all blind. In the extreme sense, is the "if you can't beat them, join them" stance a bit ridiculous for this?

I do agree that tougher sentences should be passed, ideally to the point that bodily harm in any form is dealt with in the appropriate manner. Rather than having more of a hunt for stolen money, then a killer.

To be fair, this topic has been done to death. I believe anyone that can say "Yes!" it should be put back into force has not thought of the implications. I also believe 'The Sun's poll is not representative, but it probably sells papers. I would say it is about as representative for its topic, as I am representative of the human race - I'm 8'7" tall, have eight feet and have the body of a jellyfish.

In all honesty, I don't really care. It will only affect me if I get wrongly convicted! In which case, on death row I will write poetry, which will make everyone feel bad once I am dead.

P.S I doubt hanging would be the chosen method!
#19
I wouldn't want to be part of any debate iniated by "The Sun" in fact I'd love to see the majority of their management and hacks lined up against a wall and shot ! No trial needed !

What was the question ?? :)
banned#20
hottoshop
I wouldn't want to be part of any debate iniated by "The Sun" in fact I'd love to see the majority of their management and hacks lined up against a wall and shot ! No trial needed !

What was the question ?? :)


Why T0mm spelt favourite, like favorite.

Oak-k?
banned#21
Having had a brother wrongfully accused of murder and my family degenerated in the press as scum I say NO NO NO

What happened in his case was his fiance died, she had been cheating on him and he found out so he took their daughter away and visited our grandparents.

Things were then twisted by the """""" police into circumstantial evidence, he had scratches on his arm, they were proven to be from the family dog(by a police doctor and a private doctor) but even when the case went to court a year after this was proven the police still said that was evidence he murdered her.

He bought a packet of cigarettes around 8am in morning, police said this was to get an alibi("""""") a text was sent from the town centre nowhere near where she died therefore he was making an alibi(despite the fact at the time of the text he was 300 miles away!) He went clubbing when at my grandparents therefore he knew he was getting arrested. and when he was arrested he didnt argue or show emotion therefore he knew he was guilty, and on the flip side a week later he kept crying to everyone and saying he missed her therefore he was feeling guilty.

She was cheating on him therefore he did it as he was angry(which at the same time if true would be a crime of passion)

One of the people she was cheating on my brother on fled the country the day she died(a week before the police found her body) left most of his belongings in his house, sold his mobile and expensive things and fled the country yet he wasnt a suspect(though later after my bro was sent down he was suddenly arrested for it!)

Theres far more but im too tired to write it, needless to say my family got called scum in the street, when on bail my brother was attacked and beaten up in street(including once by the very policemen who arrested him who were off duty and in a different town) my parents had bricks through the window, and even the smackheads were using it as an excuse to cause trouble.

The policeforce in question had been slated in the press in the previous months for low arrests and convictions, and after the main """""" who called my brother cold blooded and evil got praised and awards(inc the ones who dealt with the case)

The police also smashed my brothers flat up and took anything of value(whats 3 stereos got to do with the case and PC monitors and a HDTV and a DS) which all got "lost" and then they said they never made an inventory and it was up to us to prove they had it.

Even after my brother was retrialed and found innocent(after new evidence was found) he never got an apology from the police, his daughter has been adopted by another family and he's never allowed to see her again(apart from her getting loads of letters on her 16th birthday and its up to her) but think about i if you are told your dad was in jail for murder what would you do!

He also never got an apology from the """""" press inc the local tv station who like """""" only showed the bad side the whole case.

Like the scratches, they never mentioned in court and before it was proven they were from the dog, it was never said there was other suspects, it was never shown at the time of the murder he was on a train, it was never shown that she made a phone call after my brother was on a train(and yes it was her to her parents)

They only showed negative things.

Never had any apologies and police refuse compensation and even now my brother gets approached in the street and people try to attack him and he keeps wanting to commit suicide as not only did he lose his soulmate but his daughter too.

Police and media are """""""
#22
supercell;1632724
Having had a brother wrongfully accused of murder and my family degenerated in the press as scum I say NO NO NO... ...
... ...Police and media are """""""


$h1t man, really feel for you and you family. My thoughts are with you all.
#23
OMG, I really feel for your family. has your brother not contacted the police complaints authority? thats so bad.
#24
my brother was murdered 2 years ago, and let me tell you the pain of knowing someone killed him is sometimes unbearable, noone has been charged for killing him, even though the police/ prosecuters have a good idea what happened, somedays all i can think about is revenge but i know that wouldn`t bring back my brother, but i think bringing back the death penalty is a good idea because our society has gone mad, there is no deterant to stop people doing unspeakable things to other human beings, it`s not a case for " eye for an eye", its about consequences, and at this moment in time there doesn`t seem to be any
#25
JDeal
Why stop there?

We could be hung, drawn and quartered. The drawn makes it sound like you get drawn whilst being hung.


DRAGGED ON A ROPE ATTACHED TO A HORSE
#26
Supercell and fskinner, I don't know what to say other than thank you for your posts - my heart goes out to both of you and your families. I hope you can get peace, resolution and justice in your lives soon.

On the question of the death penalty being a deterent, I'm not sure that it would be. Evidence in the US suggests that it has the opposite effect. Over the past 20 years, States with the death penalty have had consistently higher murder rates compared to those states without the death penalty, and that includes neighbouring States.
#27
fskinner
my brother was murdered 2 years ago, and let me tell you the pain of knowing someone killed him is sometimes unbearable, noone has been charged for killing him, even though the police/ prosecuters have a good idea what happened, somedays all i can think about is revenge but i know that wouldn`t bring back my brother, but i think bringing back the death penalty is a good idea because our society has gone mad, there is no deterant to stop people doing unspeakable things to other human beings, it`s not a case for " eye for an eye", its about consequences, and at this moment in time there doesn`t seem to be any


I agree, my family have also felt this pain, my uncle died, he was 'drowned' well.. I use the term 'drowned' loosely....he had marks where his hands had been bound and had not inhaled any water before death!... You figure it out!
I often wonder about the pain he felt and how scary his last moments were.... and more than anything... why???????....
No one has ever been charged.
#28
supercell
Having had a brother wrongfully accused of murder and my family degenerated in the press as scum I say NO NO NO

What happened in his case was his fiance died, she had been cheating on him and he found out so he took their daughter away and visited our grandparents.

Things were then twisted by the """""" police into circumstantial evidence, he had scratches on his arm, they were proven to be from the family dog(by a police doctor and a private doctor) but even when the case went to court a year after this was proven the police still said that was evidence he murdered her.

He bought a packet of cigarettes around 8am in morning, police said this was to get an alibi("""""") a text was sent from the town centre nowhere near where she died therefore he was making an alibi(despite the fact at the time of the text he was 300 miles away!) He went clubbing when at my grandparents therefore he knew he was getting arrested. and when he was arrested he didnt argue or show emotion therefore he knew he was guilty, and on the flip side a week later he kept crying to everyone and saying he missed her therefore he was feeling guilty.

She was cheating on him therefore he did it as he was angry(which at the same time if true would be a crime of passion)

One of the people she was cheating on my brother on fled the country the day she died(a week before the police found her body) left most of his belongings in his house, sold his mobile and expensive things and fled the country yet he wasnt a suspect(though later after my bro was sent down he was suddenly arrested for it!)

Theres far more but im too tired to write it, needless to say my family got called scum in the street, when on bail my brother was attacked and beaten up in street(including once by the very policemen who arrested him who were off duty and in a different town) my parents had bricks through the window, and even the smackheads were using it as an excuse to cause trouble.

The policeforce in question had been slated in the press in the previous months for low arrests and convictions, and after the main """""" who called my brother cold blooded and evil got praised and awards(inc the ones who dealt with the case)

The police also smashed my brothers flat up and took anything of value(whats 3 stereos got to do with the case and PC monitors and a HDTV and a DS) which all got "lost" and then they said they never made an inventory and it was up to us to prove they had it.

Even after my brother was retrialed and found innocent(after new evidence was found) he never got an apology from the police, his daughter has been adopted by another family and he's never allowed to see her again(apart from her getting loads of letters on her 16th birthday and its up to her) but think about i if you are told your dad was in jail for murder what would you do!

He also never got an apology from the """""" press inc the local tv station who like """""" only showed the bad side the whole case.

Like the scratches, they never mentioned in court and before it was proven they were from the dog, it was never said there was other suspects, it was never shown at the time of the murder he was on a train, it was never shown that she made a phone call after my brother was on a train(and yes it was her to her parents)

They only showed negative things.

Never had any apologies and police refuse compensation and even now my brother gets approached in the street and people try to attack him and he keeps wanting to commit suicide as not only did he lose his soulmate but his daughter too.

Police and media are """""""


And there we have it in a nutshell why the death penalty should never be resurrected.

Of course there are scum out there who deserve to be severely punished for the crimes they commit. They could hang all the serial killers, rapists, murderers etc that they wanted but it would only take one mistake as in the case quoted above for it to be proved shambolic.

The British justice system is shocking at present, anybody that thinks bringing the death penalty back needs their head severly examined.

Can you imagine if it was a case against terrorists where public interest would very high and the Police would be under severe pressure to get a conviction.

It has happened in the past e.g the Birmingham Six & the Guildford four who were wrongly convicted of murder.

People in the UK are quick to slam Muslim traits and society etc but by reverting back to the death penalty then the UK would be in severe danger of heading down that road.

For every 500 correct deaths by hanging it would only take one mistake and the whold debate would swing again.

ps I agree with other posters regarding the Sun newspaper. It is a rag and does not deserve any glory.
#29
supercell and fskinner I am apauled to read what both of you and your families have endured, thank you for making me think about both sides of this debate and I hope you both find peace and justice.
#30
With the utmost respect to Supercell and FSkinner I do believe that the death penalty should be brought back, but only for exceptional circumstances where the person committing the crime is caught in the act or where there is a 100% guarantee that the person is guilty (and by this I mean they were seen doing it/caught on video, no cirumstantial nonsense).

I also think punishment in school should be brought back, but witnessed by the parents or even carried out by the parents in front of the teachers.

National Service would also not be far wrong for some people and would give them a direction in life and get them off the streets.
#31
dmccabe
but only for exceptional circumstances where the person committing the crime is caught in the act or where there is a 100% guarantee that the person is guilty


Very hard to get even with todays technology. If only it was this easy.
#32
This old dear's got the right idea....

The Rambo Granny of Melbourne , Australia
>> Gun-toting granny Ava Estelle, 81, was so ticked-off when two thugs
>> raped her 18-year-old granddaughter that she tracked the unsuspecting
>> ex-cons down - - and shot off their testicles.
>> The old lady spent a week hunting these men down -- and when she
>> found them, she took revenge on them in her own special way, said
>> Melbourne police investigator Evan Delp. Then she took a taxi to the
>> nearest police station, laid the gun on the sergeant's desk and told
>> him as calm as could be:
>> 'Those *******s will never rape anybody again, by God.'
>>
>> Cops say convicted rapist and robber Davis Furth , 33, lost both his
>> ***** and his testicles when outraged Ava opened fire with a 9-mm
>> pistol in the hotel room where he and former prison cell mate Stanley
>> Thomas, 29, were holed up.
>> The wrinkled avenger also blew Thomas' testicles to kingdom come, but
>> doctors managed to save his mangled *****, police said. The one guy,
>> Thomas, didn't lose his manhood, but the doctor I talked to said he
>> won't be using it the way he used to, Detective Delp told reporters.
>> Both men are still in pretty bad shape, but I think they're just
>> happy to be alive after what they've been through.
>> The Rambo Granny swung into action August 21 after her granddaughter
>> Debbie was carjacked and raped in broad daylight by two
>> knife-wielding creeps in a section of town bordering on skid row.
>> "When I saw the look on my Debbie's face that night in the hospital,
>> I decided I was going to go out and get those *******s myself 'cause
>> I figured the Law would go easy on them," recalled the retired
>> library worker. "And I wasn't scared of them, either-- because I've
>> got me a gun and I've been shooting' all my life. And I wasn't dumb
>> enough to turn it in when the law changed about owning one"
>> So, using a police artist's sketch of the suspects and Debbie's
>> description of the sickos', tough-as-nails, Ava spent seven days
>> prowling the wino-infested neighbourhood where the crime took place
>> till she spotted the ill fated rapists entering their flophouse
>> hotel.
>> I knew it was them the minute I saw 'em, but I shot a picture of 'em
>> anyway and took it back to Debbie and she said sure as hell, it was
>> them, the oldster recalled.
>>< B>So I went back to that hotel and found their room and knocked on
>> the door and the minute the big one, , opened the door, I shot 'em
>> right square between the legs, right where it would really hurt 'em
>> most, you know.
>> Then I went in and shot the other one as he backed up pleading to me
>> to spare him. Then I went down to the police station and turned
>> myself in.
>> Now, baffled lawmen are trying to figure out exactly how to deal with
>> the vigilante granny. What she did was wrong, and she broke the law,
>> but it is difficult to throw an 81-year-old woman in prison, Det.
>> Delp said, especially when 3 million people in the city want to
>> nominate her for Mayor.
#33
Foxy102
This old dear's got the right idea....


It's a fake story.
#34
It's not difficult to prove beyond a doubt, it is difficult to do without crossing any of the multitude of lopholes and red tape that exists. In all cases where guilty people have been released ( Birmingham 4, etc. etc. ) they are all as guilty as they come, justice was not upheld. Technicalities result in the release of murderers and criminals. The system has failed completely. We do not seek the truth, only how to escape it.
banned#35
Not sure i want to get inot such a debate just wanted to say to those that have posted, well done on keeping things civil, and to Supercell and FSkinner thank you for posting, im sure it must be hard to keep re-living the episodes that probably haunt you
#36
i think that these cases which are forever on the increase (it may seem) of sick idiots killing in dispicable and sick ways, a deterant should be brought back in, if they know the punishment isnt that great its just going to continue. I would happily push the button on a couple of these sickos in the press at the moment. imagine the fear going through the young people who have been killed make these people feel that same fear! bring it back
banned#37
hawkio
i think that these cases which are forever on the increase (it may seem) of sick idiots killing in dispicable and sick ways, a deterant should be brought back in, if they know the punishment isnt that great its just going to continue. I would happily push the button on a couple of these sickos in the press at the moment. imagine the fear going through the young people who have been killed make these people feel that same fear! bring it back


do you really think that these "sickos" ever believe they will be caught?
#38
sassie
Not sure i want to get inot such a debate just wanted to say to those that have posted, well done on keeping things civil, and to Supercell and FSkinner thank you for posting, im sure it must be hard to keep re-living the episodes that probably haunt you


Nice words and with your permission Sassie I'll echo them. :)
#39
dmccabe;1633015
National Service would also not be far wrong for some people and would give them a direction in life and get them off the streets.


Yup, teach them how to use weapons and fight more effectively, that would be a great plan!
Would such people be loyal and motivated to defend our country if they had been forced into such a situation? I wouldn't want such people watching my back.
#40
The cliche unsolvable debate of capital punishment, moral and religious views will confronted and will never reach a satisfiable conclusion, kill all who those that opppse the views then all will be happy, just which view is the right one?!?!

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