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10-in-1 remote control with iluminated keys & LCD display, MACRO, manual programming & learning functions, just £5,99 @ LIDL !
10-in-1 remote control with iluminated keys & LCD display, MACRO, manual programming  & learning functions, just £5,99 @ LIDL !

10-in-1 remote control with iluminated keys & LCD display, MACRO, manual programming & learning functions, just £5,99 @ LIDL !

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This is better then any Logitech expensive remote that only allows 5 deviced, and no manual programming in newer models, and limited macro functions in their entry level models which still costs > £20.

For TV, VCR, CD, DVD, Cable, AMP, ASAT, DSAT, AUX1 and AUX2
EPG (Electronic Programme Guide)
MACRO function for programmable button sequences (with intervals that can be programmed with delay of up to 21 seconds)
Includes batteries
3 year manufacturer’s warranty

Memorises functions from other remote controls, can also be programmed manually.

ALL-OFF function: swith off all memorised consoles at the touch of a button

TIMER function: programmable key sequance to be triggered at the set time !!!!

With separate ON/OFF button for keys and display lighting

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I bought one of these from Lidl last christmas. They are very good for the price. Easy to program.

http://www.lidl.co.uk/static_content/lidl_uk/images/UK/UK_66881_01_b.jpg

Is it really better? Just received Harmony 650 - masterstroke! Do not want any other fake "better" remote.
Cold.

Original Poster

How much did you pay for it at that time?

Looks very solid and very nice, and love the central jog.

The TIMER function is incredible, never seen anything like that before !
Also the manual programming comes in very handy, tried to do that on my Harmony 300 but it is not possible!

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Filding

Is it really better? Just received Harmony 650 - masterstroke! Do not … Is it really better? Just received Harmony 650 - masterstroke! Do not want any other fake "better" remote.Cold.


So what's the logic here, why vote cold if you don't know anything about it...
Do your harmony:
-costs under £6?
-display the time on the LCD?
-has a TIMER function to switch off ALL your devices if you fall asleep?
-can be manually programmed, that is enter a code that it is not in it's database?
-can control 10 devices?

Will this work on my Sky HD box as the dog has chewed the original sky remote today?...

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It will surely work, it is already in the list of devices, and you can program it manually anyway if it wasn't.

It has codes for SKY, SKYPEX, SKY DIGITAL, SKY HD, SKY ITALIA, SKY+, SKYMASTER, SKYMAX, SKYPLUS, SKYSAT, SKYVISION.

You can't really go wrong with a £5.99 remote with so many functions.

Edited by: "MaximusRo" 2nd Dec 2011

- Harmony cost me under £26.99.
- there is no time function on LCD, I have watch and clock and time on the tele (EPG,Info, whatever)
- has no TIMER. If I am tired I generally go to bed
- support over 5000 brands
- can control up to 5 devices using just ONE button. No need switch between amplifier, tv, dvd player to control them. One-click activity buttons automatically turn on the right devices and select the appropriate input settings depending on what you want to do—such as “Watch a DVD.” And i can say is worth 29 quid or even more.

I had to manually program the sky hd in, otherwise it didn't work. plus i use the red for record, yellow is pause, so i had to program onother two buttons for the red and yellow.

MaximusRo

So what's the logic here, why vote cold if you don't know anything about … So what's the logic here, why vote cold if you don't know anything about it...


There's no point trying to argue with harmony owners - it's not about the remote (how good/bad it is) it's about them being "serious" media users - requiring a "serious" remote control to assert their status. I've got a Harmony (I think it's the 300) somewhere in a drawer/cupboard. It's poorly designed with the number keys in exactly the wrong place and it doesn't work with half the TVs in the house - and then only with the most basic controls. Which is why it ended up in a drawer, ignored and unwanted.

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Filding

- Harmony cost me under £26.99.- there is no time function on LCD, I have … - Harmony cost me under £26.99.- there is no time function on LCD, I have watch and clock and time on the tele (EPG,Info, whatever)- has no TIMER. If I am tired I generally go to bed- support over 5000 brands- can control up to 5 devices using just ONE button. No need switch between amplifier, tv, dvd player to control them. One-click activity buttons automatically turn on the right devices and select the appropriate input settings depending on what you want to do—such as “Watch a DVD.” And i can say is worth 29 quid or even more.


-exactly, you don't have the time on the remote display, as this one does
-so it costed you over 4 times more
-exactly, no TIMER on harmony... very handy to use it in various scenarious, not just when you are tired
-you don't seem to take the time to read before you vote, this can control up to 10 devices using just ONE button. You can ALL-OFF them, or you can "watch a DVD" as you say, performing a MACRO in which the remote will send signals in a sequance you programme and you can even put delays between them (up to 21 seconds) to allow for instance for the DVD to boot and so on.

Ok.You're right.
But cold for me.

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pete_l

There's no point trying to argue with harmony owners - it's not about the … There's no point trying to argue with harmony owners - it's not about the remote (how good/bad it is) it's about them being "serious" media users - requiring a "serious" remote control to assert their status. I've got a Harmony (I think it's the 300) somewhere in a drawer/cupboard. It's poorly designed with the number keys in exactly the wrong place and it doesn't work with half the TVs in the house - and then only with the most basic controls. Which is why it ended up in a drawer, ignored and unwanted.


Exactly, it's just about status, ego and things like that. I have a Harmony too, I tried to manually program it, no, you cannot, you have to connect it to a computer, install a software (which is buggy and lots of users have problems running it), then stick to a strict number of options they allow you to use.
I want to be able to enter a simple manual code in my expensive Harmony but cannot... seems the older versions of the software allowed you to do that.
Oh, and their software REQUIRES internet explorer, with Silverlight!
I never use Internet Explorer AND did not have installed Silverlight, but was FORCED to do so by Logitech! Very nice indeed!

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Filding

Ok.You're right.But cold for me.


Yeah, that makes all the sense in the world
What more it would need to do to be hot for you? Since is already doing much more then your "hot" harmony and it costs 4 times less... I guess just to have a sticker on it saying "logitech harmony, please pay a LOT of money for me".

MaximusRo

Yeah, that makes all the sense in the world :)What more it would need to … Yeah, that makes all the sense in the world :)What more it would need to do to be hot for you? Since is already doing much more then your "hot" harmony and it costs 4 times less... I guess just to have a sticker on it saying "logitech harmony, please pay a LOT of money for me".



Apparently neither of them helps with spelling or grammar though!

could this be used to make a button press every hour or so. We have a TV in work which we want on permanently but it shuts off after a couple of hours if you don't press the remote.

Original Poster

Not every single hour, but you can program up to 4 timer events, so I guess it will do the job you want for 4 hours, or maybe even 5 if you can program the sleep timer function as a 5'th event, but not sure if that is possible.

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Besford

Apparently neither of them helps with spelling or grammar though!



Not a native english speaker, but do tell, where did I go wrong? Sarcasm is not really helpfull, but I guess you already knew that.

I've bought about three of these kind of remotes over the years and have abandoned them for a Harmony 525. My reasons:

* They have a tendency to lose their programming spontaneously, and when they do, it takes an hour or more to reprogram if you have a number of devices. If the Harmony loses its settings (mine never has), it can be reprogrammed in a few minutes via USB, using your original profile.

* The keyboard membrane fails in a couple of years.

* The amount of memory they have to learn codes from original remotes is limited, and it's easy to fill up, so learning codes isn't always an option.

* If you buy new devices after you've bought the remote, you eventually end up buying a new remote so it knows the codes. The Harmony can learn new remotes, but you probably won't need to as Logitech or one of their other users has probably got the codes already.

* They don't have programmable soft keys with matching labels on an LCD display, so you need to remember that when in DVD mode, 'Red' selects the audio track or whatever.

The only downside of the Harmony is that it's not intended to be used manually, by switching from device to device, but rather using the Activities to set up all your devices for the task you wish to utilise them for. Some devices are more amenable to this than others, but there's usually a workaround.

MaximusRo

Not a native english speaker, but do tell, where did I go wrong? Sarcasm … Not a native english speaker, but do tell, where did I go wrong? Sarcasm is not really helpfull, but I guess you already knew that.



Ha ha classic!

Always a numb nut out there ready to jump on anyone that may not speak native English

Cheers, the kids have a habit of damaging remotes (one chews the sky remote, he's 13 FFS!) so I may get this to learn all the others. Then lock it in a drawer

Besford

Apparently neither of them helps with spelling or grammar though!



Lol resulting to a spelling or grammar dig. Pathetic!

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tek-monkey

Cheers, the kids have a habit of damaging remotes (one chews the sky … Cheers, the kids have a habit of damaging remotes (one chews the sky remote, he's 13 FFS!) so I may get this to learn all the others. Then lock it in a drawer



It will remember everything you programme into it even after changing batteries too!

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dcx_badass

Voted cold, always found these generic all in ones to be absolute crap, … Voted cold, always found these generic all in ones to be absolute crap, also only paid £10 for my Harmony 300 new from play.



Not this one, it is absolutely brilliant! I discover new good things about it every minute. Also own the Harmony 300, it is crap compared.

It will allow you to display on the LCD the brand names (LG, Sony and so on) and select the device code directly... but no more repeating the procedure 10 times for 10 codes available for one brand, just display every code and test it right on the spot, then press UP and select the next code until the best one is found... never seen so many inteligent functions on a remote!

Hmmmm prity sure this will work on my Sony brava TV but would it work for my Sunvision MKV player?

Will pick one of these up next week if they still have any. But can't see it replacing my Harmony 895. Heat added for the price.

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Sorry, but that is just not true.
That is generic talk about generic remotes. Not about this remote which is special not only pricewise but also performancewise.

It does come with 3 years warranty, and someone already mentioned it is using it for a year now and loves it.

Small memory? Much bigger memory then a Harmony, as this can hold 10 devices compared to 4 or 5 on Harmony! As much as double.

What do you mean you cannot add new remotes? yes, you can.

Also, is safe to say there is no 100% new device that will ever appear on the market, they will always use the basic same codes for common functions among the same brands.

And let's not forget it is just 6 pounds.

MaximusRo

Sorry, but that is just not true.That is generic talk about generic … Sorry, but that is just not true.That is generic talk about generic remotes. Not about this remote which is special not only pricewise but also performancewise.It does come with 3 years warranty, and someone already mentioned it is using it for a year now and loves it.Small memory? Much bigger memory then a Harmony, as this can hold 10 devices compared to 4 or 5 on Harmony! As much as double.What do you mean you cannot add new remotes? yes, you can.Also, is safe to say there is no 100% new device that will ever appear on the market, they will always use the basic same codes for common functions among the same brands.And let's not forget it is just 6 pounds.




My Harmony controls fifteen devices, but it did cost a lot more.

Where did this come from "Also, is safe to say there is no 100% new device that will ever appear on the market,"

Still hot for the price

MaximusRo

Sorry, but that is just not true.That is generic talk about generic … Sorry, but that is just not true.That is generic talk about generic remotes. Not about this remote which is special not only pricewise but also performancewise.



No, I was referring to previous Lidl (Silvercrest) and Aldi (Tevion) remotes. I'm sure this one's something of an improvement on those, but it'll be incremental improvements and cost engineering.

It does come with 3 years warranty, and someone already mentioned it is … It does come with 3 years warranty, and someone already mentioned it is using it for a year now and loves it.Small memory? Much bigger memory then a Harmony, as this can hold 10 devices compared to 4 or 5 on Harmony! As much as double.



Depends on the Harmony in question. The newer, cheaper ones are artificially crippled, but the older 525 can control upto 15 devices. It was a bargain from Richer Sounds at about £30 a couple of years ago.

What do you mean you cannot add new remotes? yes, you can.



Not if it doesn't know the codes, and the device has run out of memory to learn all the keycodes from the original. I've been there, and hit that limit.

Also, is safe to say there is no 100% new device that will ever appear on … Also, is safe to say there is no 100% new device that will ever appear on the market, they will always use the basic same codes for common functions among the same brands.And let's not forget it is just 6 pounds.



There is that in its favour. As a basic all-in-one, it's fair enough, but the Harmony-haters are apparently oblivious to its strengths. Heck, it's good enough for me to put up with booting a Windows install to program the thing!

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Geemac

Where did this come from "Also, is safe to say there is no 100% new … Where did this come from "Also, is safe to say there is no 100% new device that will ever appear on the market,"Still hot for the price


Yes, I guess that is not very obvious, but there will never be a totally new device on the market, they will always have some buttons like Volume, ON/Off, Channel etc. Also there will not be one that uses totally new IR codes (that is, a Sunvision or Onkoyo is probably using similar codes to a Philips device in the same category, because it is made with a Philips chip inside, or the other way around, Philips put the brand on some device manufactured by some company that we might never heard off, like Foxconn, AOU and so on).
So you do not need to reprogram all buttons, but just a few functions that are specific to that device model.

Easier to understand this with an example:
I have a brand new monitor TV from LG, a 2011 model, that is by the way NOT found in the database of the Harmony, but it is working both with this wonderfull remote from Aldi and with the Harmony, because it is backward compatible in terms of IR codes. Like you would expect it to be.
Edited by: "MaximusRo" 3rd Dec 2011

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cowbutt

No, I was referring to previous Lidl (Silvercrest) and Aldi (Tevion) … No, I was referring to previous Lidl (Silvercrest) and Aldi (Tevion) remotes. I'm sure this one's something of an improvement on those, but it'll be incremental improvements and cost engineering.


That's the problem probably, I am talking as a owner of a Harmony 300, and this new one. So I know what I am talking about.
Everybody posting just one line "my Harmony is better" actually are talking about something they have never seen.

Depends on the Harmony in question. The newer, cheaper ones are … Depends on the Harmony in question. The newer, cheaper ones are artificially crippled, but the older 525 can control upto 15 devices. It was a bargain from Richer Sounds at about £30 a couple of years ago.


Yes, we are talking about present times, not the past 2 years ago. People are paying lots of money for Harmony's, you might have paid just £30 (which is still 5 times more then the remote from Aldi), but others are paying even more for less, let's face it, any way you turn it, this has much more functions then many Harmony models. 15 is better then 10, but 10 it is enough. 4 or 5 might not be enough, or might as well be, but 10 sure is.

Not if it doesn't know the codes, and the device has run out of memory to … Not if it doesn't know the codes, and the device has run out of memory to learn all the keycodes from the original. I've been there, and hit that limit.


Not sure we are talking about the same thing, we just clarified you are not talking about this particular model, and you are talking about old harmony models. You can delete old programming (one by one) and also has a reset function to restore factory defaults, you can never run out of memory!
Also, about memory... this remote displays on the included LCD screen maybe a hundred brands and you can select at each brand from 10 or 20 codes to try. Can you imagine how much memory that it? And how little more it would need to hold a few more learned from the user... it would be insignificant.

Also, you can select the language to display the menus on the LCD screen. So more memory need.

Also it displays the year, month and day, the day also in letters (so it does have an internal calendar for knowing that is friday on Dec 2nd, 2011), and also the time. More memory needed.

All this are not present in most Harmony's, or other remotes. So, yes, this one is special, in my opinion.

There is that in its favour. As a basic all-in-one, it's fair enough, but … There is that in its favour. As a basic all-in-one, it's fair enough, but the Harmony-haters are apparently oblivious to its strengths. Heck, it's good enough for me to put up with booting a Windows install to program the thing!



Well, I think hate comes more from harmony users... (again, I own one!). But let's keep it friendly.
You already admited that Harmony's are crippled, so basically they are too expensive.
Also I would prefer buying a £5.99 pound one that someone recomends, like I recomended this one, from Aldi and have 3 years warranty and being able to take back for a refund if it is not good for me, the next day I go buy some bread, then to have a Harmony delivered to me, pay a lot more, have just 1 or 2 years warranty, and if I dont like, to have to pay for a return to Holland or whatever.

You have to admit though that it is time that life does not start and finish with Harmony anymore. There simply must be other choices!

And if YOU personally are happy to install windows, IE8 and Silverlight just for using a HArmony, good, this is why Bill Gates is the reachest guy in the world. Others might not pay a license just for that. Or they would expect to be able to use it without the need of 3 pieces of software they might never use. I use windows, but do not use IE or Silverlight.
Edited by: "MaximusRo" 3rd Dec 2011

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fermec

Hmmmm prity sure this will work on my Sony brava TV but would it work for … Hmmmm prity sure this will work on my Sony brava TV but would it work for my Sunvision MKV player?



Probably the Sunvision mkv player is compatible with a device that is already in it's memory, it is almost impossible to find a totally original device. But if it is not, you can LEARN the remote from the original one (provided you still got it).

cowbutt

Not if it doesn't know the codes, and the device has run out of memory … Not if it doesn't know the codes, and the device has run out of memory to learn all the keycodes from the original. I've been there, and hit that limit.

Also, about memory... this remote displays on the included LCD screen … Also, about memory... this remote displays on the included LCD screen maybe a hundred brands and you can select at each brand from 10 or 20 codes to try. Can you imagine how much memory that it?

And how little more it would need to hold a few more learned from the … And how little more it would need to hold a few more learned from the user... it would be insignificant.

Also I would prefer buying a £5.99 pound one that someone recomends, like … Also I would prefer buying a £5.99 pound one that someone recomends, like I recomended this one, from Aldi and have 3 years warranty and being able to take back for a refund if it is not good for me, the next day I go buy some bread, then to have a Harmony delivered to me, pay a lot more, have just 1 or 2 years warranty, and if I dont like, to have to pay for a return to Holland or whatever.

And if YOU personally are happy to install windows, IE8 and Silverlight … And if YOU personally are happy to install windows, IE8 and Silverlight just for using a HArmony, good, this is why Bill Gates is the reachest guy in the world. Others might not pay a license just for that. Or they would expect to be able to use it without the need of 3 pieces of software they might never use. I use windows, but do not use IE or Silverlight.



No, we're not talking about the same thing. With this type of all-for-one, if there isn't a working code for a device you own, then your only option is to learn the individual keycodes from the original remote, button by button. If you try to get it to learn too many keycodes then eventually it runs out of memory and will not learn any more. I seem to recall that once this point is reached, you may not even be able to select a new pre-programmed profile for another device without a reset and consequent reprogramming from scratch. At an hour or more, if you have more than a couple of devices, that's no joke. If you value your time, the web GUI+USB programming of Harmony remotes pays for itself quickly.



About 5KB of ROM, at a guess. I'm talking about RAM, flash or similar used to store user settings.



That may be so, but I've been able to exhaust it by learning keys for only a couple of unsupported devices in the past.



If a Lidl or Aldi device is dead on arrival, you'll probably be able to get a replacement if you take it back within a day or two. If it's longer than that, you'll have to either get a refund and wait until it comes up on their specials again to get another one, or send it away for repair or replacement. Buy a Harmony from a decent high street shop, and they'll probably replace it whenever as long as it's still a current model and it's within warranty. I've got a couple of half-broken Aldi/LIdl remotes still within warranty that weren't worth the trouble to take back.



Logitech's programming website (members.harmonyremote.com/) also works in non-IE browsers, and phildev.net/con…ce/ and sourceforge.net/pro…ty/ should allow you to program Harmony remotes from non-Mac/Windows OSs.

This IS a good price for this remote. My Harmony controls 15 devices your response “15 is better then 10, but 10 it is enough. 4 or 5 might not be enough, or might as well be, but 10 sure is.”

Your remote breaks you get a new one and manually reprogram it. My Harmony breaks I get a new one, plug it into the computer download my settings and I’m good to go.

You don’t like Bill Gates and Ie8? More power to the man, he’s made my computing experience much easier.

I have had One-for-All, Memorex, Sony, Yamaha and Philips remotes. Harmony is the best in MY opinion

Original Poster

No, we're not talking about the same thing. With this type of … No, we're not talking about the same thing. With this type of all-for-one, if there isn't a working code for a device you own, then your only option is to learn the individual keycodes from the original remote, button by button. If you try to get it to learn too many keycodes then eventually it runs out of memory and will not learn any more. I seem to recall that once this point is reached, you may not even be able to select a new pre-programmed profile for another device without a reset and consequent reprogramming from scratch. At an hour or more, if you have more than a couple of devices, that's no joke. If you value your time, the web GUI+USB programming of Harmony remotes pays for itself quickly.



No, we are not talking about the same thing, so it makes no sense, really. For someone who seem very keen against it, you also put a lot of time into reading and contributing to this thread, thank you for that.
I already explained that what you are saying is impossible on this remote, you can program a lot of things in it, but you insist in making a judgement based on a totally different model. And seem to not read what I posted before, even though you do qoute some of my post.

"The remote control has 4 event timers available via which you are allowed to send out specific series of button combinations at designated times. ... You can delete a programmed sleep or event timer as follows:... Per timer memory slot a maximum of 14 buttons can be programmed."

"The remote can learn and save button signals of an original remote control. The memory can accommodate 150 button commands. If the memory is full the LCD display shows LEARN FULL."

"With the MACRO function up to 16 button commands can be carried out with the press of a single button, There are 6 Macro memory slots available for you".

So you have 4 Events x 14 buttons each, 6 Macros of 16 buttons each, and room for 150 buttons to teach. And if you run out of memory (although surely that seem more then enough) you don't get anything of the chaotic behaviour you mention, just an elegant error message display on the LCD.

That may be so, but I've been able to exhaust it by learning keys for … That may be so, but I've been able to exhaust it by learning keys for only a couple of unsupported devices in the past.


It is so. At about 25 buttons per device you can add 6 new devices to the 150 buttons limit. So why are we talking about your remote that didn't cope with 2 devices I don't know... let's talk about the present time and thread.

Logitech's programming website (http://members.harmonyremote.com/) also … Logitech's programming website (http://members.harmonyremote.com/) also works in non-IE browsers, and http://phildev.net/concordance/ and http://sourceforge.net/projects/congruity/ should allow you to program Harmony remotes from non-Mac/Windows OSs.


Again, you do not seem to read my previous posts. Remember, I do own a Harmony 300. You are talking about your 2 years old harmony. There is no mention of my brand new Harmony 300 of the sites you mention. There is instead clearly stated that IE8 and Silverlight is mandatory!
The "logitech programming site" is myharmony.com, that is it.
Also, I did try the old members.harmonyremote.com and it is NOT working with Harmony 300.
I think that is the old site and I already mentioned before that older models were a little more flexible, but again, the past.

Got one, looks alright but not tested it yet.

OK I got 2 of these one is faulty out of the box, so will have to go back and as for the working one. I am not impressed. There’s just not enough buttons for missing features.
This for me would only be of use for a single missing or damaged remote. So just for that use @ £5.99 it is well worth it. I am a spoilt Harmony user.

If this is anything like the ones Aldi have been selling then I imagine it'll work very well. My only gripe with the Aldi one is a hard to press OK/enter button, which this one doesn't appear to have.

Oh, and OP, it's 'better than', not then.
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