10TB WD-Gold SATA Hard Drive WD101KRYZ £319.05 @ Amazon
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Incoming standard HUKD responses to posts about disks in

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yes hard disks die.
no RAID isn't for backups.
who cares if you loose 10TB or 4TB.... ideally you want to loose 0TB.

Back it up. Let's not repeat the same crap every time someone posts a disk post. We need disks. If you value what's on them then you need another disk to back it up to. If you're paranoid, ship the disk to another family member / out of your house for safekeeping.
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wonder how long before we see the first petabyte drive?
12tb for £345.82 here ebuyer.com/806…ryz


+1.5% at topcashback
Edited by: "HUKDdpa" 29th Jan
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ITMA2 m ago

Now, if your intention was to share that information with people you'd …Now, if your intention was to share that information with people you'd have posted it as a deal. But then, of course, you'd have to contend with all the weasels who...................


Yes, if only there was a deal about that.....

hotukdeals.com/dea…399
Going by my unwritten formula of £25 per tb this ain’t too bad the Ebuyer deal is better though
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Incoming standard HUKD responses to posts about disks in

3.
2.
1.

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yes hard disks die.
no RAID isn't for backups.
who cares if you loose 10TB or 4TB.... ideally you want to loose 0TB.

Back it up. Let's not repeat the same crap every time someone posts a disk post. We need disks. If you value what's on them then you need another disk to back it up to. If you're paranoid, ship the disk to another family member / out of your house for safekeeping.
Good price and not eBuyer
deleted154599829th Jan

Incoming standard HUKD responses to posts about disks in 3. 2.1.... yes …Incoming standard HUKD responses to posts about disks in 3. 2.1.... yes hard disks die. no RAID isn't for backups. who cares if you loose 10TB or 4TB.... ideally you want to loose 0TB. Back it up. Let's not repeat the same crap every time someone posts a disk post. We need disks. If you value what's on them then you need another disk to back it up to. If you're paranoid, ship the disk to another family member / out of your house for safekeeping.


Sorry.
johnthehuman29th Jan

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The eggs will be safer if they are all in one basket. The strong and sturdy basket affords them protection from kicks and being stepped on that air doesn't. That's why mummy hens put their eggs in a nest instead of scattering them.


The chances of 1 of those floppies being corrupted is greater than the chance of 1 of these 10TB drives being corrupted on account of there are MILLIONS of them. Imagine if you were sensible and duplicated each of those loose eggs and had many off-site magnetic tapes cloning your data too. What an inconvenience!!!!
Robert.Taylor942 h, 55 m ago

wonder how long before we see the first petabyte drive?


Decades based on current research. 3D magnetic recording which hasn't even been commercialised yet would also have to advance significantly to reach that capacity level.

Then you have the actual demands for it at consumer level, which is essentially zero. Like the need for a 1TB drive in 1990 for home consumers. Pointless.

Maybe in 20-30 years it'll be worth the advance for manufacturers.
The 12TB on ebuyer is a better deal but still not great. This is kinda okay if you need density, the places I've seen that need density were doing something wrong though, space and power are meant to be cheap.
lintonfindlay19922 h, 18 m ago

Going by my unwritten formula of £25 per tb this ain’t too bad the Eb …Going by my unwritten formula of £25 per tb this ain’t too bad the Ebuyer deal is better though



£329.99 for a 12TB IronWolf at Amazon, with stock due next weekend. £27.50 per TB, so *almost* hitting the £25 threshold.


amazon.co.uk/gp/…C5/

Same price at eBuyer.
Edited by: "hukd14" 29th Jan
friar_chris28 m ago

Sorry.The eggs will be safer if they are all in one basket. The strong and …Sorry.The eggs will be safer if they are all in one basket. The strong and sturdy basket affords them protection from kicks and being stepped on that air doesn't. That's why mummy hens put their eggs in a nest instead of scattering them.[Image] The chances of 1 of those floppies being corrupted is greater than the chance of 1 of these 10TB drives being corrupted on account of there are MILLIONS of them. Imagine if you were sensible and duplicated each of those loose eggs and had many off-site magnetic tapes cloning your data too. What an inconvenience!!!!


Correct me if I'm wrong but your point is that keeping all your data in one place is (without backups mind) safer than keeping it in lots of places (again, without backups or duplicated)?

Not really, if you keep it in lots of places with no duplicates and one of those places fails, at least you've only lost a chunk of your data. Better to lose 1.4MB than to lose 10TB, unless a single loss renders all your data unreadable.

Mama hens make nests because they defend and feed their chicks, trees don't need to do any of that so scatter their seeds over as wide an area as possible.

Be like the tree, if you have data you value scatter copies of it everywhere.
hukd1415 m ago

£329.99 for a 12TB IronWolf at Amazon, with stock due next weekend. £27.50 …£329.99 for a 12TB IronWolf at Amazon, with stock due next weekend. £27.50 per TB, so *almost* hitting the £25 threshold.https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B075X181C5/



The big difference between these WD Golds and the Ironwolf is that they come with 5 year warranties. So effectively another two years of replacement options for circa £15 (with the ebuyer deal). That may be important for some (but not for all).

Personally I dont like running HDs out of warranty as I figure the manufacturers probably engineer them so most last the duration of the warranty period but not much longer.
CampGareth1 h, 5 m ago

Correct me if I'm wrong but your point is that keeping all your data in …Correct me if I'm wrong but your point is that keeping all your data in one place is (without backups mind) safer than keeping it in lots of places (again, without backups or duplicated)?Not really, if you keep it in lots of places with no duplicates and one of those places fails, at least you've only lost a chunk of your data. Better to lose 1.4MB than to lose 10TB, unless a single loss renders all your data unreadable.Mama hens make nests because they defend and feed their chicks, trees don't need to do any of that so scatter their seeds over as wide an area as possible.Be like the tree, if you have data you value scatter copies of it everywhere.


I was mostly just having a poke at the 'all your eggs in one basket' image. I would of course rather lose 1.4MB than 10TB, but one could argue there is more chance of losing 1.4MB amongst millions of old degraded floppys (and probably across all of them) than a sweet new 10TB unit - Not that I want to have that argument - we are not comparing like-for-like.

It's swings and roundabouts, these basket/egg/nest/tree analogies, like all analogies are comparing things which are not the same. Taking storage media to each extreme of 10TB or 1.4MB, a folly of using tiny storage units is apparent. For my situation, convince (is the biggest thing - I don't want more than 5 drives, I want to be able to store many similar, large files together, and I don't want to un-zip them) and price per TB are key criteria (and I have a cloned backup).

Side-Story for illustration: I had a drive recently develop bad sectors which were unrecoverable on a 3TB drive. I copy-pasted the data across onto a new drive, it failed on 2 video files. I was able to access all the rest of the disk. In that situation, I've maybe lost 1.4MB on a 3TB drive or indeed 1.4MB on a 2.5" floppy.

Ignoring backups: In terms of unzipping files on floppy, the 1.4MB loss renders the video gone, and its gone from my 3TB drive too. The drive was in warranty (WD incidentally) where as the 1.4MB wouldn't be and so I've not lost any of the storage. Without the warranty, yes I would have in effect lost more storage than if the same error had taken place on 1.4MB media, but as I said it's swings and roundabouts, and I'm looking for convenience.

Considering backups: The warranty means I have lost nothing. These come with a 5 year warranty, that's not trivial. Also, as you say 'Be like the tree' - I do take regular back ups, so there just is no problem whilst in warranty.

"Be like the squirrel" - Jack White
Edited by: "friar_chris" 29th Jan
You would need 6,622,739 (1.44MB floppies) to make 10TB.

10,000,000,000,000 / 1,509,949.44


Hard disks are 1000 bytes per K, where as older disks like floppies are 1024 bytes per Kilobyte.

Assuming 5 minutes per copy for back-up, it would take 22,996 days to backup 10TB on to floppies.
(Assuming data is already split for large files)
My important data is small - photos, anything else can be replaced. Games I have paid for are on accounts like steam - so it does not matter if the computer crashes - all that is lost is my game progress. If I like a game I will play it again again.

Important data needs to be backed up to at least one other drive - preferable a flash drive - ssd or even sd or micro sd now that they come in very large sizes and are quite cheap
Edited by: "fiqqer" 30th Jan
friar_chris2 h, 7 m ago

I was mostly just having a poke at the 'all your eggs in one basket' …I was mostly just having a poke at the 'all your eggs in one basket' image. I would of course rather lose 1.4MB than 10TB, but one could argue there is more chance of losing 1.4MB amongst millions of old degraded floppys (and probably across all of them) than a sweet new 10TB unit - Not that I want to have that argument - we are not comparing like-for-like.It's swings and roundabouts, these basket/egg/nest/tree analogies, like all analogies are comparing things which are not the same. Taking storage media to each extreme of 10TB or 1.4MB, a folly of using tiny storage units is apparent. For my situation, convince (is the biggest thing - I don't want more than 5 drives, I want to be able to store many similar, large files together, and I don't want to un-zip them) and price per TB are key criteria (and I have a cloned backup).Side-Story for illustration: I had a drive recently develop bad sectors which were unrecoverable on a 3TB drive. I copy-pasted the data across onto a new drive, it failed on 2 video files. I was able to access all the rest of the disk. In that situation, I've maybe lost 1.4MB on a 3TB drive or indeed 1.4MB on a 2.5" floppy.Ignoring backups: In terms of unzipping files on floppy, the 1.4MB loss renders the video gone, and its gone from my 3TB drive too. The drive was in warranty (WD incidentally) where as the 1.4MB wouldn't be and so I've not lost any of the storage. Without the warranty, yes I would have in effect lost more storage than if the same error had taken place on 1.4MB media, but as I said it's swings and roundabouts, and I'm looking for convenience.Considering backups: The warranty means I have lost nothing. These come with a 5 year warranty, that's not trivial. Also, as you say 'Be like the tree' - I do take regular back ups, so there just is no problem whilst in warranty."Be like the squirrel" - Jack White



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deleted154599829th Jan

Incoming standard HUKD responses to posts about disks in 3. 2.1.... yes …Incoming standard HUKD responses to posts about disks in 3. 2.1.... yes hard disks die. no RAID isn't for backups. who cares if you loose 10TB or 4TB.... ideally you want to loose 0TB. Back it up. Let's not repeat the same crap every time someone posts a disk post. We need disks. If you value what's on them then you need another disk to back it up to. If you're paranoid, ship the disk to another family member / out of your house for safekeeping.



What I WOULD like to be loose is my jeans, then I would have lost a bit of this Xmas overindulgence...
What are they like for idle / seek noise and vibration compared to the 8tb+ Reds?
ThAt;'S aN aWfUl LoT Of dAtA tO loSe iF IT diES
dewonderful12 h, 13 m ago

ThAt;'S aN aWfUl LoT Of dAtA tO loSe iF IT diES


Obviously you buy 2, other being the backup, and not necessarily in the same machine.
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