2013 Forme Winscar 29 XT Was £1399. Now £699.99 @ start fitness
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2013 Forme Winscar 29 XT Was £1399. Now £699.99 @ start fitness

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Found 19th Jan
Have the 26" version of this and its a brilliant bike for the money. £1399 down to £699.
Selling £1400+ some places I looked!

Frame is smooth welded, internal cable routing and made by Kinesis. That alone is worth a few hundred quid.

Decent fork, the Rockshox Reba RL. Theres another few hundred.

Shimano XT gears, SLX shifters and hydraulic brakes.

DT Swiss 1900 rims, yet another few hundred.

XC geometry so you are more forward than a standard AM MTB and also good for road as well as off road.
Very responsive and fast uphills due to weight over front wheel.

Absolute bargain if you ask me.
Quality well respected Kinesis frame and decent components which add up to considerably more than cost.

Great if you want to get into cycling with a mix of trail and paved surfaces or road.

Full spec

Product Details
Model Number FOR48
Brands Forme
Gender Mens
Age Adult
Model Year 2013
Colour Black/Blue
Frame Kinesium Superlight Aluminium tubing, double butted, Smooth weld with internal canle routing.
Fork Rockshox Reba RL 100mm Tapered steerer
Shifters Shimano SLX rapidfire
Derailleur (Front) Shimano XT 2x10 direct mount
Derailleur (Rear) Shimano XT 10 Speed
Brakes Shimano SLX Hydraulic disc brakes
Crankset Sram S1400 42x28T
Cassette 10 Speed Shimano
Chain 10 Speed KMC
Bottom Bracket Sram GXP Sealed BB 73mm
Hub Front DT Swiss Spline 1900 15mm through axle
Hub Rear DT Swiss Spline 1900 12mm through axle
Rims DT Swiss Spline 1900
Spokes DT Swiss Spline 1900
Tyres Kenda Slant Six 29"x2.2 Folding Bead
Handlebar One23 SL alloy riser 31.8, 680mm width 20mm rise, 5 backsweep
Stem One23 Alloy 31.8mm, 60mm Length , 7 rise
Headset FSA internal bearing 1"8th
Saddle 4ZA Cirrus
Seatpost One23, Black, Alloy, 31.6, 300mm
Pedal None incl.
Wheel Size 29inch
Number of Gears 20
Approximate Weight 12.95kg (21")

46 Comments

Original Poster

Description states Easton rims but spec shows DT Swiss.

My 26 came with Easton EA90XC which seem to be going for silly money now.

Not sure which ones it will be but good either way.


For those that have never ridden an XC geometry bike. They are very responsive and go like sh*t off a shovel uphill.

100mm travel fork so not going to cope with big jumps etc like an AM but great for most trails.
Much better choice if you want a MTB for road and fast trail use.

Reba RL fork has a good lockout and becomes super rigid when on flat surfaces. Mine came with lockout remote on bars. Unsure about this one.

Fire a pair of 1.75 or 2.0 Schwalbe land cruiser tyres on this and it can seriously shift.

Edited by: "callum84" 19th Jan

"Fire a pair of 1.75 or 2.0 Schwalbe land cruiser tyres on this and it can seriously shift."

Compared to what? A MTB without slick tyres?

What's with the "Quality well respected Kinesis frame " is it the same brand?

Seems a reasonable price for the specs though from my limited knowledge of MTB

Strange that this has got the heat from this site when road bikes don't seem to but £100 Sports Direct and Tesco sheds seem to. Such mixed signals!

Suspect it's the XT that got the groupset tarts interested when only limited to mechs LOL.

Full XT = bargain!!

its definately got a good spec for the price as op points out, although as you say xt is only rear mech (doesnt say if its the shadow+ clutch mech) and front derailleur.

its an SLX build really with shifters and brakes (both very good), with a random choice sram crankset,
the reba fork will be perfect for fast rolling trails especially on a 29er. the wheels well respected.

weight is ok, not light nor overly heavy. it should be fairly speedy, although my XC 29er is around 12kgs,
since getting a bike with 700c/28 width tyres i have seen its limitations on the road.

with road bikes, alot more people are involved and so logical thought goes out the window. their have been very good deals on this site recently, but for me, get the frame and upgrade the components..

Original Poster

Compared to what? A MTB without slick tyres?


Compared to a slack geometry AM bike with same tyres.
See a lot of people with AM bikes and slick tyres but the geometry is not ideal to get the power down. A good XC geometry and narrow tyres and you will seriously shift.
KareemSaid

What's with the "Quality well respected Kinesis frame " is it the same … What's with the "Quality well respected Kinesis frame " is it the same brand?



Kinesis is a company based in UK, LINK
They make alloy frames which are well respected and some quite expensive.

Kinesis made the frame on this bike for Forme. My 26 is also a Kinesis frame.

The quality really shows compared to a cannondale, scott etc for similar price.

Frame on mine weighs 1.2kg, double butted smooth welds. It just looks and feels premium.
Edited by: "callum84" 19th Jan

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whatyadoinsucka

its definately got a good spec for the price as op points out, although … its definately got a good spec for the price as op points out, although as you say xt is only rear mech (doesnt say if its the shadow+ clutch mech) and front derailleur.its an SLX build really with shifters and brakes (both very good), with a random choice sram crankset, the reba fork will be perfect for fast rolling trails especially on a 29er. the wheels well respected.weight is ok, not light nor overly heavy. it should be fairly speedy, although my XC 29er is around 12kgs, since getting a bike with 700c/28 width tyres i have seen its limitations on the road. with road bikes, alot more people are involved and so logical thought goes out the window. their have been very good deals on this site recently, but for me, get the frame and upgrade the components..


Your right its basically an SLX.
My forme 26 came with Avid Elixir 3 brakes but same drivetrain so this is definately a step in the right direction.
Ive replaced brakes with XT M785 and XT rotors.
Fork is ideal, my 2012 has Reba dual air but this could be dual or single. Much better and lighter than most entry level models you see and Ive not really had any thoughts about changing it.

12.95Kg stated is for 21" model and slant six are heavy tyres.

17" with lighter tyres would probably be at least 1kg lighter.

agreed i have a reba on 2 bikes, they are very good and very light, and siple to setup weight adjustments for psi stamped on the leg,
I just wish on my xc bikes REBA's had black stanchions, but paying £270 for reba or £409 for sid forks with 120mm 27.5, is simply too much for a colour change.

Hi Folks. Newbie here, Looking for 1st mountain bike and was about to bite on a Voodoo Bizango till i saw this deal. My budget would stretch to £700. What bikes better? Thanks in advance.
mbr.co.uk/rev…013


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Original Poster

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Hi Folks. Newbie here, Looking for 1st mountain bike and was about to … Hi Folks. Newbie here, Looking for 1st mountain bike and was about to bite on a Voodoo Bizango till i saw this deal. My budget would stretch to £700. What bikes better? Thanks in advance.http://www.mbr.co.uk/reviews/hardtail/voodoo-bizango-29er-review-2013http://www.mbr.co.uk/reviews/hardtail/voodoo-bizango-29er-review-2013


Forme is a much better bike but the two have slightly different geometries.

The Voodoo is slacker with a 120mm travel fork. The Forme has tight XC geometry with 100mm travel and is designed to get you more forward over the bars for speed and power when climbing.

The voodoo has a budget frame, budget entry level fork and heavy wheels. Its alright for a 2016 bike but its just not in the same league as the heavily discounted Forme with higher end components. The Forme has an RRP of £1699 so you cant really compare it with other £700 bikes.
Google some of the components of each bike like fork and brakes and you will see exactly what I mean.

The fork is usually the best indicator of the quality of bike. personally I look for a good frame and fork and other components can be changed at your leisure.

Edited by: "callum84" 19th Jan

Thanks Callum84.
Whats your thought on the Forme Ripley 1 Hardtail MTB - Blue (On sale for £500 - half price on same site) Do you think the Winscar 29 is worth the extra £200. I'll be going with one of them. cheers again
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Thanks Callum84. Whats your thought on the Forme Ripley 1 Hardtail MTB - … Thanks Callum84. Whats your thought on the Forme Ripley 1 Hardtail MTB - Blue (On sale for £500 - half price on same site) Do you think the Winscar 29 is worth the extra £200. I'll be going with one of them. cheers againhttp://www.startfitness.co.uk/cycle/bikes/mountain-bikes/forme-ripley-1-hardtail-mtb-blue-for93.html


The ripley is a nice bike as well but not as high spec as the winscar.
Ripley has 120mm forks and slacker head angle and is more of an AM bike compared to the XC winscar.

Id choose the winscar all day long but again down to your budget and what you plan to do with it.


If you will be mostly on terrain like, fast trails, paths, tracks and roads the XC is for you. XC is also better climbing hills. It is more for off road speed compared to slow technical trails.

Ive ridden my 26" XC 20 miles on road to spend an hour or 2 on off road trails then 20 miles back.
Theres no way I could have done that as easy on a slacker MTB as they are just not designed for that. My back would have been killing me.

I prefer to ride fast so thats why I chose XC.
Im not really interested in technical trails where you are slowing to negotiate rocks and large dips.

I prefer to get the bike out at the weekend and see where it will take me.
A road bike would probably suit me but I like the feeling of having no limits, being able to cycle across roads, tracks, fields and through woods.
Thats my style of cycling, just getting out and ending up wherever.

Heres a comparison between slacker and tighter head angles. (From another site, not my words but I agree).

Slack Head Angles
A slack head angle means the front wheel will be further in front of your headset.

Pros:

1. the fork will be able to suck up bumps better at higher speeds,

2. increased stability as the wheels are further apart,

3. better high speed cornering,

4. less of the "I'm going to go over the bars!" feeling.

5. Confidence inspiring to ride in steep terrain

Cons:

1. Steering is slower and less responsive,

2. Front wheel can "flop" from one side to the other on tight corners

3. Worsened tight turning performance

4. Not so nice to ride on flatter terrain

5. Does not climb well and the front wheel tends to wander as there is less weight on it

Steeper Head Angles (XC)

A steeper head angle results in a bike that looks more upright, with the front wheel tucked in under the headset more.



Pros:

1. faster handling speed and better response,

2. better cornering in tight terrain and a tighter turning radius

3. Feels great on flatter terrain and "ducks and weaves" better

4. Increased climbing performance

Cons:

1. Feels unstable and "twitchy" at higher speeds

2. Feels like you could get sent over the bars a lot easier

3. Doesn't absorb bumps as well at high speeds (the fork is more perpendicular to the bump than it is with a slack angle)

4. Tends to get "hung up" on bigger bumps more



Edited by: "callum84" 19th Jan

callum84

The ripley is a nice bike as well but not as high spec as the … The ripley is a nice bike as well but not as high spec as the winscar.Ripley has 120mm forks and slacker head angle and is more of an AM bike compared to the XC winscar.Id choose the winscar all day long but again down to your budget and what you plan to do with it.If you will be mostly on terrain like, fast trails, paths, tracks and roads the XC is for you. XC is also better climbing hills. It is more for off road speed compared to slow technical trails.Ive ridden my 26" XC 20 miles on road to spend an hour or 2 on off road trails then 20 miles back. Theres no way I could have done that as easy on a slacker MTB as they are just not designed for that. My back would have been killing me.I prefer to ride fast so thats why I chose XC.Im not really interested in technical trails where you are slowing to negotiate rocks and large dips.I prefer to get the bike out at the weekend and see where it will take me. A road bike would probably suit me but I like the feeling of having no limits, being able to cycle across roads, tracks, fields and through woods. Thats my style of cycling, just getting out and ending up wherever.Heres a comparison between slacker and tighter head angles. (From another site, not my words but I agree).Slack Head Angles A slack head angle means the front wheel will be further in front of your headset. Pros:1. the fork will be able to suck up bumps better at higher speeds, 2. increased stability as the wheels are further apart,3. better high speed cornering,4. less of the "I'm going to go over the bars!" feeling.5. Confidence inspiring to ride in steep terrain Cons:1. Steering is slower and less responsive, 2. Front wheel can "flop" from one side to the other on tight corners3. Worsened tight turning performance4. Not so nice to ride on flatter terrain5. Does not climb well and the front wheel tends to wander as there is less weight on it Steeper Head Angles (XC)A steeper head angle results in a bike that looks more upright, with the front wheel tucked in under the headset more.Pros:1. faster handling speed and better response,2. better cornering in tight terrain and a tighter turning radius3. Feels great on flatter terrain and "ducks and weaves" better4. Increased climbing performanceCons:1. Feels unstable and "twitchy" at higher speeds2. Feels like you could get sent over the bars a lot easier3. Doesn't absorb bumps as well at high speeds (the fork is more perpendicular to the bump than it is with a slack angle)4. Tends to get "hung up" on bigger bumps more


Just order the Winscar! Thanks again for you advice (and your post)

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Just order the Winscar! Thanks again for you advice (and your post)


Its a great bike, you honestly wont regret it.
Had mine few years and paid more for a lesser spec and that was a bargain.
Enjoy.

I've had a 29er for years now as my commuting bike. Schwalbe Big Apple tires and rigid carbon forks and it's pretty unbeatable for London.

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Hi Folks. Newbie here, Looking for 1st mountain bike and was about to … Hi Folks. Newbie here, Looking for 1st mountain bike and was about to bite on a Voodoo Bizango till i saw this deal. My budget would stretch to £700. What bikes better? Thanks in advance.http://www.mbr.co.uk/reviews/hardtail/voodoo-bizango-29er-review-2013http://www.mbr.co.uk/reviews/hardtail/voodoo-bizango-29er-review-2013


Not really convinced by the Bizango, having had a go on a mates. My son that the Hoodoo from about 5 years back and that was a far better bike in my opinion. I'd be inclined to look at the second hand market as there are some real bargain 26ers out there (when people are realistic about price) - 30% drop first year then 20% year 2.

mcrobbj

Not really convinced by the Bizango, having had a go on a mates. My son … Not really convinced by the Bizango, having had a go on a mates. My son that the Hoodoo from about 5 years back and that was a far better bike in my opinion. I'd be inclined to look at the second hand market as there are some real bargain 26ers out there (when people are realistic about price) - 30% drop first year then 20% year 2.


Cheers for the reply, Iv'e went for the Forme Winscar

oh dear, I really don't need another bike, I've currently got a trek alpha 1.2 road bike that collecting dust over winter months.... and yet I've pretty much convinced myself that I need that Winscar bike! Any idea how long items stay in stock with this supplier? I wouldn't be able to buy it until end of the month

Conkruky

oh dear, I really don't need another bike, I've currently got a trek … oh dear, I really don't need another bike, I've currently got a trek alpha 1.2 road bike that collecting dust over winter months.... and yet I've pretty much convinced myself that I need that Winscar bike! Any idea how long items stay in stock with this supplier? I wouldn't be able to buy it until end of the month


I paid outright but there's a 0% finance option

Anyone know where I can find the geometry for this bike? I can't find it anywhere.

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I paid outright but there's a 0% finance option



​that finance option is deadly! not got any arguments for not getting it with that available... better make some room for it now lol

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Conkruky

​that finance option is deadly! not got any arguments for not getting it w … ​that finance option is deadly! not got any arguments for not getting it with that available... better make some room for it now lol


I know, been hovering over it since I found it. Got the 26, do I really need the 29 as well. So tempting.

shimano xt/slx are both excellent group-sets, Tbh. nobody ever notices any weight penalty between the 2 as its rotational weight that really matters ,
The 3 main reasons these bikes are now reduced ,
1. 29" bikes can be cumbersome & are loosing popularity as a fast xc bike ,
2. For pure speed on & off road a cyclecross/gravel bike does a better job.
3. For pure off-road use a modern trail bike like the nukeproof mega TR275 is a better option. " unless its extreme downhill "













Edited by: "choices" 20th Jan

biggest frame size they do is 21.5
no info under their size guide. I'm 6'3" so not sure if it's gonna be big enough? anyone know? thanks

I ordered mine over the phone and asked same question. If you are 6'2" or above the bloke recommended to go for the 21.5" frame.

I'm also 6ft3, and from the research I've done the 21.5 is the recommended option

I bought a Cube 29er two years ago for a winter bike. It was about £500. It's been great - fun to ride, laughs at pot-holes and just ploughs through crap weather - 3 times a week to work on it! Pump the Schwalbe Smart Sams up to 60 and it goes reasonably quickly!
Also - as it weighs about twice as much as my summer bike - my legs are now like the Incredible Hulk!

29ers becoming very niche now. Mine is great for speed and even holds up well on the road but not great on anything remotely technical. Means I just need another bike!

any recommendations on pedals to go with this bike? looking for some that are reasonably priced

superstar

wish I could justify this.

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Conkruky

which would be better out of these two?the Winscar or the Ripley … which would be better out of these two?the Winscar or the Ripley 2https://www.cyclesolutions.co.uk/p91793/forme-ripley-2-27-5-inch--2016-mountain-bike


Winscar for spec.
Better fork, groupset and frame. Not sure who makes the Ripley frame but know the Winscar was by Kinesis and an absolute topper compared to what you normally find at that price range.

The ripley is also selling for RRP and Winscar half price.

Its not all down to spec though, Winscar is a 29" race XC bike with tighter gemoetry and Ripley is 27.5" with slacker geometry and more AM.

I wrote a bit more about that it in post 10 about the Ripley 1.


Edited by: "callum84" 31st Jan

thanks mate, think you just convinced me, I can get the Ripley about the same price through cycle to work scheme, but think the Winscar is for me

Original Poster

Conkruky

thanks mate, think you just convinced me, I can get the Ripley about the … thanks mate, think you just convinced me, I can get the Ripley about the same price through cycle to work scheme, but think the Winscar is for me


I honestly cant recommend it enough mate.

Absolutely love mine, albeit 26" model.

I even plan after a few years to strip the frame back and get custom paint job, I like it that much.

fair play, just ordered it, can't wait to get on it now

Original Poster

Conkruky

fair play, just ordered it, can't wait to get on it now


Remember and get pedals. Dont want you disapointed when it arrives.

Just received this bike in a 19". Was pleasantly surprised to see that it's arrived with the Easton wheel set, which they stated it wouldn't come with.. bring on Saturday

bought some nukeproof pedals to go with

6'6, chances of the 21" fitting me alright?

probably not

Does this seller offer the Bike2Work scheme? I can't find any info, so I'm guessing not
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