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2016 MacBook Pro discounted at Laptops Direct £1329.97 - Saving of over £100
2016 MacBook Pro discounted at Laptops Direct £1329.97 - Saving of over £100

2016 MacBook Pro discounted at Laptops Direct £1329.97 - Saving of over £100

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I know this isn't to everyone's taste, and this will definitely get freezing cold, but a deal is a deal. The brand new MacBook Pro (came out last week I think) which is usually £1449 in stores is £1330 at Laptops Direct. They have both sliver and space grey available.

- I am so very courageous

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Heat, good find at this early stage OP.

Original Poster

ezzer72

Heat, good find at this early stage OP.


thanks, and sorry for thread spoiling earlier on

Heat added. One frustrating thing about HUKD is people unable to put their personal feelings aside about an item. Is this cheaper than elsewhere? Yes. So it's hot. If you're voting cold just because you can't put your dislike for Apple to one side then maybe just don't vote at all.

Voted hot, as it's a deal for this item.

good saving but massively over priced to start with for me

chananana

Heat added. One frustrating thing about HUKD is people unable to put … Heat added. One frustrating thing about HUKD is people unable to put their personal feelings aside about an item. Is this cheaper than elsewhere? Yes. So it's hot. If you're voting cold just because you can't put your dislike for Apple to one side then maybe just don't vote at all.



I disagree, you're taking a very rigid view on what 'deal' actually means, in my opinion if the item is overpriced for what you're getting (often defined by the profit margin on the product), then if there's a reduction on that price, it doesn't necessarily mean it's a deal, unless of course you were about to purchase the overpriced goods at full price, but in reality I think this site is there to tempt you and I'm not sure how many people who weren't into Apple would be tempted at this price.

I personally don't usually vote cold, but I don't consider this to be a deal.

mike
Edited by: "mbuckhurst" 13th Nov 2016

*dongles not included (_;)

Don't forget your dongles

youtube.com/wat…_kU



Edited by: "jg213" 13th Nov 2016

chananana

Heat added. One frustrating thing about HUKD is people unable to put … Heat added. One frustrating thing about HUKD is people unable to put their personal feelings aside about an item. Is this cheaper than elsewhere? Yes. So it's hot. If you're voting cold just because you can't put your dislike for Apple to one side then maybe just don't vote at all.



Yeah, agreed with u. A lot of ppl are bias to vote for a deal based on their personal narrow view. As don't really understand how difficult a product is built under a small form factor. Let's for MBP as an example, they don't care about what P3 screen means, don't care it has the fastest SSD IN any laptop to date, don't care about 2x40GBs thunderbolt 3 and charging with any ports or can. E charged by the monitor with monitor is connected. They don't care the fact u can have MacOS & windows in the same laptop...

Banned

why -80?

this price for a 2ghz i5 and no gpu

what a saving OMG how much is it 7%? 8%?

It's cheaper than the rrp, therefore it's a deal
Simples

mat2090

It's cheaper than the rrp, therefore it's a dealSimples



That's a bit too simples, isn't it? Lots of items are less than RRP all the time, for a start. Plus, this is only a rather modest reduction, after the RRP went up 50% or so compared to the old model.

I don't get how this is a deal. My current PC is an i7 16GB Ram 2GB GFX 250SSD,1TB 500GB for £700, i understand its a laptop but so many laptops more powerful at half the price and if you don't like Windows, can always put linux on for free

Added heat because the OP is obvious very courageous.

chananana

Heat added. One frustrating thing about HUKD is people unable to put … Heat added. One frustrating thing about HUKD is people unable to put their personal feelings aside about an item. Is this cheaper than elsewhere? Yes. So it's hot. If you're voting cold just because you can't put your dislike for Apple to one side then maybe just don't vote at all.



Not as simple as that IMHO. Though you will never get agreement anyway as 'hot deal' is such a loose term. To me value for money is a major part of what makes a hot vs cold deal, so for me Apple products will almost always be cold deals to me (and voted such) as you rarely seem to get that much for so much outlay (compared to say a normal Windows laptop in this case) and they are rarely significantly reduced. When I'm looking for computing items, performance for the pound is key and not something Apple products are known for excelling at....

ST3123

Not as simple as that IMHO. Though you will never get agreement anyway as … Not as simple as that IMHO. Though you will never get agreement anyway as 'hot deal' is such a loose term. To me value for money is a major part of what makes a hot vs cold deal, so for me Apple products will almost always be cold deals to me (and voted such) as you rarely seem to get that much for so much outlay (compared to say a normal Windows laptop in this case) and they are rarely significantly reduced. When I'm looking for computing items, performance for the pound is key and not something Apple products are known for excelling at....



So you're saying that because you don't think Apple products represent value for money in the first place, it's not a good deal. You are letting your personal opinions of the brand cloud the fact that this represents £100 off the price of a brand-new model MacBook Pro. If someone is in the market for it, then that's a deal.

Perceived value has nothing to do with it as it is completely subjective. It’s like trying to convince somebody that a Mercedes is overpriced when they could have a fully-loaded Ford instead. The raw specs of many Windows laptops are irrelevant when they are loaded up with completely un-optimised software and pathetic battery life. To buy something equivalent to this in Windows land, the price tag isn't as far apart as you might think (and without any of the equivalent included Apple software).

drewbles82

I don't get how this is a deal. My current PC is an i7 16GB Ram 2GB GFX … I don't get how this is a deal. My current PC is an i7 16GB Ram 2GB GFX 250SSD,1TB 500GB for £700, i understand its a laptop but so many laptops more powerful at half the price and if you don't like Windows, can always put linux on for free



Can't run macOS, Final Cut Pro, iMovie, Garage Band, Logic Pro, Ulysses, Pixelmator etc or have complete integration with their iOS devices then, though, can they? Do I think the new MacBook Pros are overpriced? Absolutely. But there are people who need them for their workflow (more specifically, require macOS and some of the above programs) and no alternative, Windows or Linux, is going to cut the mustard in that regard.

GDB2222

That's a bit too simples, isn't it? Lots of items are less than RRP all … That's a bit too simples, isn't it? Lots of items are less than RRP all the time, for a start. Plus, this is only a rather modest reduction, after the RRP went up 50% or so compared to the old model.



Agreed, BT are a good example of this (and DFS & Oak Furnature Land)
allways having "sales" which arent anything special - just overhyped with continuous advertising to make them sound good. Throw in the "ends on sunday" for good measure to add the sense of urgency.
Then start a new "renamed and slightly tweaked" sale, just tweaked enough to not contravene consumer laws on Monday.
HUKD would very quickly be full of Spam sales if something was posted every time it had something reduced off the RRP

You can also take out the Which? membership for a £1 and get 20 off so that's another £19 off the price.

Don't forget your 2% cashback at topcashback or quidco. Takes it down a bit.


Edited by: "Rarnik" 13th Nov 2016

Interloper

So you're saying that because you don't think Apple products represent … So you're saying that because you don't think Apple products represent value for money in the first place, it's not a good deal. You are letting your personal opinions of the brand cloud the fact that this represents £100 off the price of a brand-new model MacBook Pro.



It is our duty to vote scams down. Our duty to keep the ordinary folks of HUKD safe from scams. We take that duty seriously.

first of all apple has increased their prices like mad, even 300quid off is not a discount and next year they will decrease by 100quid and watch all the apple dumb fans go crazy like it's a Hugh saving

Interloper

So you're saying that because you don't think Apple products represent … So you're saying that because you don't think Apple products represent value for money in the first place, it's not a good deal. You are letting your personal opinions of the brand cloud the fact that this represents £100 off the price of a brand-new model MacBook Pro. If someone is in the market for it, then that's a deal.Perceived value has nothing to do with it as it is completely subjective. It’s like trying to convince somebody that a Mercedes is overpriced when they could have a fully-loaded Ford instead. The raw specs of many Windows laptops are irrelevant when they are loaded up with completely un-optimised software and pathetic battery life. To buy something equivalent to this in Windows land, the price tag isn't as far apart as you might think (and without any of the equivalent included Apple software).



The thing is on HUKD at least, perceived value has everything to do with it as everyone can vote, there are no special requirements or conditions that say you must vote based on certain criteria. Though this sometimes results in some odd occurrences and deals that don't get seen, I'd say most of the time the HUKD members get it right IMO, and personal opinion and bias is obviously a part of it, it's not really something you can rate on an entirely neutral basis as everyone has different ideas of what is good value.

However one thing you might take away is that deals that go well into the negative (like this one though there have been far worse) are considered by the voting majority as poor deals even though there might be a minority that can benefit from them...

Edited by: "ST3123" 13th Nov 2016

Original Poster

ST3123

Not as simple as that IMHO. Though you will never get agreement anyway … Not as simple as that IMHO. Though you will never get agreement anyway as 'hot deal' is such a loose term. To me value for money is a major part of what makes a hot vs cold deal, so for me Apple products will almost always be cold deals to me (and voted such) as you rarely seem to get that much for so much outlay (compared to say a normal Windows laptop in this case) and they are rarely significantly reduced. When I'm looking for computing items, performance for the pound is key and not something Apple products are known for excelling at....

drewbles82

I don't get how this is a deal. My current PC is an i7 16GB Ram 2GB GFX … I don't get how this is a deal. My current PC is an i7 16GB Ram 2GB GFX 250SSD,1TB 500GB for £700, i understand its a laptop but so many laptops more powerful at half the price and if you don't like Windows, can always put linux on for free



I agree with everything you said, especially since the laptop just came out and is receiving price cuts.

Better off getting the 2015 version for over £300 less than this at £999?

amazon.co.uk/App…H9L
Edited by: "ceaton88" 13th Nov 2016

Part of the price hike is brexit so maybe buying from abroad is the best deal at the moment.

mbuckhurst

in reality I think this site is there to tempt you and I'm not sure how … in reality I think this site is there to tempt you and I'm not sure how many people who weren't into Apple would be tempted at this price.



Yes, of course, I bought some baked beans and some sugar from listings on this site, purely because the price was so tempting.

drewbles82

I don't get how this is a deal. My current PC is an i7 16GB Ram 2GB GFX … I don't get how this is a deal. My current PC is an i7 16GB Ram 2GB GFX 250SSD,1TB 500GB for £700, i understand its a laptop but so many laptops more powerful at half the price



Haven't tried a Mac, obvs.

sellingthings123

Can't run macOS, Final Cut Pro, iMovie, Garage Band, Logic Pro, Ulysses, … Can't run macOS, Final Cut Pro, iMovie, Garage Band, Logic Pro, Ulysses, Pixelmator



All the software you are talking about are Mac OS only, not a fair judgement... and you are wrong about the software can only be run on Apple hardware... Read on you will see why...

"Perceived value has nothing to do with it as it is completely subjective. It’s like trying to convince somebody that a Mercedes is overpriced when they could have a fully-loaded Ford instead."

Illogical... Ford doesnt use Mercedes engine, mercedes gearbox, mercedes clutch, and mercedes ECU, mercedes, Mercedes logo anywhere in its car...

Only subjective thing here is apple's marketing department doing a good job!

Apart from trackpad and the chasis there is almost ZERO APPLE in there!

LCD from another oem. Ram is another oem, cpu is another oem, majority of the chips and bits are from another oem, ports another oem or group of standards.

Well over 90% of components are generic non APPLE! enclosed in a fancy case and blinking apple logo!

You can get this 90% of the hardware at or a lot less than 50% value of the Apple!

Your main argument about optimization and software... You are wrong... You can run all those software including mac os in a generic windows machine! At half that price or a lot lower... There is something called hackintosh... if you have the time and ambition, you can do it too.
In the past I have done so many Hackintoshes! Look my name, "mysticus c*" more specifically Samsung NC10 I even touchscreened it! It run mac os pretty good for 1/5- 1/6 of cheapest mac comparable...back in the day...

I got a 3 yr old laptop with i5 3rd gen recently for a friend of mine for £150 to substitute his 3 yr old toasted macbook pro which still cost around 500-600 today second hand! It runs same software twice as fast as his toasted one... at 1/3-1/4 of the cost of comparable apple!

Perceived value has everything to do with it! More better analogy would be Ford using all mercedes parts and charging double if not triple mercedes price without providing an actual differentiation other than not allowing you to use any gas station, or any standard diagnostic software/cable to do what everyone can do in the industry...

FYI: before you go ninja on me, know the history first, hackintosh is nothing fancy, an Apple engineer started it with a Sony laptop! Before they had any intel hardware...
Edited by: "mysticus" 13th Nov 2016

GDB2222

That's a bit too simples, isn't it? Lots of items are less than RRP all … That's a bit too simples, isn't it? Lots of items are less than RRP all the time, for a start. Plus, this is only a rather modest reduction, after the RRP went up 50% or so compared to the old model.


Show me where I can get this lower than the rrp ?

mysticus

All the software you are talking about are Mac OS only, not a fair … All the software you are talking about are Mac OS only, not a fair judgement... and you are wrong about the software can only be run on Apple hardware... Read on you will see why..."Perceived value has nothing to do with it as it is completely subjective. It’s like trying to convince somebody that a Mercedes is overpriced when they could have a fully-loaded Ford instead."Illogical... Ford doesnt use Mercedes engine, mercedes gearbox, mercedes clutch, and mercedes ECU, mercedes, Mercedes logo anywhere in its car...Only subjective thing here is apple's marketing department doing a good job!Apart from trackpad and the chasis there is almost ZERO APPLE in there!LCD from another oem. Ram is another oem, cpu is another oem, majority of the chips and bits are from another oem, ports another oem or group of standards.Well over 90% of components are generic non APPLE! enclosed in a fancy case and blinking apple logo!You can get this 90% of the hardware at or a lot less than 50% value of the Apple!Your main argument about optimization and software... You are wrong... You can run all those software including mac os in a generic windows machine! At half that price or a lot lower... There is something called hackintosh... if you have the time and ambition, you can do it too.In the past I have done so many Hackintoshes! Look my name, "mysticus c*" more specifically Samsung NC10 I even touchscreened it! It run mac os pretty good for 1/5- 1/6 of cheapest mac comparable...back in the day...I got a 3 yr old laptop with i5 3rd gen recently for a friend of mine for £150 to substitute his 3 yr old toasted macbook pro which still cost around 500-600 today second hand! It runs same software twice as fast as his toasted one... at 1/3-1/4 of the cost of comparable apple!Perceived value has everything to do with it! More better analogy would be Ford using all mercedes parts and charging double if not triple mercedes price without providing an actual differentiation other than not allowing you to use any gas station, or any standard diagnostic software/cable to do what everyone can do in the industry...FYI: before you go ninja on me, know the history first, hackintosh is nothing fancy, an Apple engineer started it with a Sony laptop! Before they had any intel hardware...


Whilst I don't disagree with you, if I have a job that needs doing I would prefer it done on my mac as I know it will work without any glitches thus saving me time and making me more money in time for the next job.

mat2090

Whilst I don't disagree with you, if I have a job that needs doing I … Whilst I don't disagree with you, if I have a job that needs doing I would prefer it done on my mac as I know it will work without any glitches thus saving me time and making me more money in time for the next job.



I dont ask anyone to stop buying what is necessary for their job or source of income requires mate... i cant blame apple for charging their products, as they have a market who are willing to pay the extra...

My comment is about people keep praising it for the hardware which is really generic... but their software runs stable and good with their specific range... Their hardware isnt really top notch, it is really down to users... I am an IT engineer/consultant and my own boss and i get to play with both macs and pcs, and servers everyday... There are my clients many of which are fanatics or just show offs and buy apple products and all they do install office software and check emails...

If you are in the photo/video editing business go ahead, and buy the best tools that earns you living... but i just cant stand those who just sheepishly praising apple hardware and keep saying they are better than pcs have no clue about internals of pcs...

My comment is provide another insight to those who understands... Windows PC hardware is no different than Apple Mac OS hardware, both can run vice versa! Because they are both the same!

Only reason mac os doesnt run on windows hardware easily, because apple choose not to, not because they are not capable machines! Apple's business model is based on gloss and hype... Both sides' pomputers run on same generic hardware, main difference is apple doesnt allow/release special software called "drivers" for other variants of components in its selections. Without drivers, your hardware doesnt know how to communicate with the OS... Also apple puts certain limitations to not let other hardware run easily but can be bypassed by some coding...

Anyways... dont wanna bore you to death... long story short i m not against apple, i m against those who keep praising it without knowing anything... and claiming superiority... to justify price...


Edited by: "mysticus" 14th Nov 2016

mysticus

All the software you are talking about are Mac OS only, not a fair … All the software you are talking about are Mac OS only, not a fair judgement... and you are wrong about the software can only be run on Apple hardware... Read on you will see why..."Perceived value has nothing to do with it as it is completely subjective. It’s like trying to convince somebody that a Mercedes is overpriced when they could have a fully-loaded Ford instead."Illogical... Ford doesnt use Mercedes engine, mercedes gearbox, mercedes clutch, and mercedes ECU, mercedes, Mercedes logo anywhere in its car...Only subjective thing here is apple's marketing department doing a good job!Apart from trackpad and the chasis there is almost ZERO APPLE in there!LCD from another oem. Ram is another oem, cpu is another oem, majority of the chips and bits are from another oem, ports another oem or group of standards.Well over 90% of components are generic non APPLE! enclosed in a fancy case and blinking apple logo!You can get this 90% of the hardware at or a lot less than 50% value of the Apple!Your main argument about optimization and software... You are wrong... You can run all those software including mac os in a generic windows machine! At half that price or a lot lower... There is something called hackintosh... if you have the time and ambition, you can do it too.In the past I have done so many Hackintoshes! Look my name, "mysticus c*" more specifically Samsung NC10 I even touchscreened it! It run mac os pretty good for 1/5- 1/6 of cheapest mac comparable...back in the day...I got a 3 yr old laptop with i5 3rd gen recently for a friend of mine for £150 to substitute his 3 yr old toasted macbook pro which still cost around 500-600 today second hand! It runs same software twice as fast as his toasted one... at 1/3-1/4 of the cost of comparable apple!Perceived value has everything to do with it! More better analogy would be Ford using all mercedes parts and charging double if not triple mercedes price without providing an actual differentiation other than not allowing you to use any gas station, or any standard diagnostic software/cable to do what everyone can do in the industry...FYI: before you go ninja on me, know the history first, hackintosh is nothing fancy, an Apple engineer started it with a Sony laptop! Before they had any intel hardware...



I have a bone to pick with you over 'generic hardware'. Yes you can get the same CPU, RAM, GPU, generally SSD (they tend to be rebranded samsungs) etc. elsewhere and if this were a desktop that'd be the end of the argument since that's all there really is to one.

The part I want to argue is the display, they generally have high colour space coverage and are calibrated out of the box. The same cannot be said of a £700 laptop generally. Even looking at something like the XPS 15, the FHD option isn't comparable but the UHD option is, that costs £1700 and isn't calibrated out of the box. As for how much that matters, eh, probably not something you'd notice day to day but putting my XPS 13 (£700, FHD) next to a friend's macbook 12 and watching movies, his display was definitely better so we ended up using that.

Oh and software is a big one. I'm in IT so tend to use Windows 10 as a host plus Ubuntu VMs for work. That means I get battery life comparable to a mac day to day when I'm not running a VM. Fire that up and it drops to maybe 30% lower than a mac. Running Ubuntu direct? Ho boy, 50% lower than a mac or so. Not to mention the mac will be pushing more pixels so should be at a disadvantage. I like to play games on my personal laptops so they always run Windows but when I eventually get a work laptop (startups, you know) it'll be a mac as it's linuxy but simultaneously has battery life. Do not underestimate the importance of having control over your ecosystem and optimised hardware drivers.

mat2090

Show me where I can get this lower than the rrp ?




This may be the cheapest option at the moment for this particular item, but that doesn't make it a good deal. Forgetting about whether MacBooks are overpriced generally, this is simply a rather small reduction. And you can see from the temperature that most people agree with me.

mysticus

All the software you are talking about are Mac OS only, not a fair … All the software you are talking about are Mac OS only, not a fair judgement... and you are wrong about the software can only be run on Apple hardware...



Not a fair judgement? How? This is a deal for a MacBook Pro so it's obvious that the vast majority of people buying is going to want to use Mac software. The reality is there is nothing to compare to the quality of some of these options on Windows, especially solutions included with the operating system such as iMovie and GarageBand.

mysticus

Your main argument about optimization and software... You are wrong... … Your main argument about optimization and software... You are wrong... You can run all those software including mac os in a generic windows machine! At half that price or a lot lower... There is something called hackintosh... if you have the time and ambition, you can do it too....FYI: before you go ninja on me, know the history first, hackintosh is nothing fancy, an Apple engineer started it with a Sony laptop! Before they had any intel hardware...



I know exactly what a Hackintosh is, I've built them myself. In fact, I've been building PCs and using both Windows and Macs for over 20 years so I'm not some dimwit who doesn't know what he's talking about. To say you can just install Mac OS and its software on "generic" PC hardware is nonsense. You know full well you have to buy compatible parts only and that's only realistically possible 90% of the time with a desktop.

This is a laptop. Even if you could go out and buy a Windows laptop with compatible specs, you are going to miss out on features such as the Force Touch trackpad and 99% of Adobe RGB display. Besides, the vast majority of people (especially those who are using their computer to earn a living) neither have the time or inclination to build and maintain a Hackintosh. As a business solution it's a complete nonstarter. (It's also against the EULA of macOS, but that's another story.)

It's not all about the hardware, you know. It's also about the support and after sales. Apple's is the best in the business. For many people, that's just as important - if not more so - than the generation of CPU or graphics chip used. It's also about having an experience that isn't utterly frustrating to use on a daily basis – I'm yet to use a single PC laptop that has anywhere near the quality of trackpad as a MacBook (even the older, non-Force Touch models) and the least said about the atrocious scaling issues in Windows when plugging laptops into monitors, the better.

CampGareth

I have a bone to pick with you over 'generic hardware'. Yes you can get … I have a bone to pick with you over 'generic hardware'. Yes you can get the same CPU, RAM, GPU, generally SSD (they tend to be rebranded samsungs) etc. elsewhere and if this were a desktop that'd be the end of the argument since that's all there really is to one. The part I want to argue is the display, they generally have high colour space coverage and are calibrated out of the box. The same cannot be said of a £700 laptop generally. Even looking at something like the XPS 15, the FHD option isn't comparable but the UHD option is, that costs £1700 and isn't calibrated out of the box. As for how much that matters, eh, probably not something you'd notice day to day but putting my XPS 13 (£700, FHD) next to a friend's macbook 12 and watching movies, his display was definitely better so we ended up using that.Oh and software is a big one. I'm in IT so tend to use Windows 10 as a host plus Ubuntu VMs for work. That means I get battery life comparable to a mac day to day when I'm not running a VM. Fire that up and it drops to maybe 30% lower than a mac. Running Ubuntu direct? Ho boy, 50% lower than a mac or so. Not to mention the mac will be pushing more pixels so should be at a disadvantage. I like to play games on my personal laptops so they always run Windows but when I eventually get a work laptop (startups, you know) it'll be a mac as it's linuxy but simultaneously has battery life. Do not underestimate the importance of having control over your ecosystem and optimised hardware drivers.



The hardware part you wanna argue is also not Apple! I dont see any argument at all. You are doing the same mistake as others doing, you are not buying a laptop to just watch movies on it. As i said, if your job requires that calibrated display, noone should stop you... but saying that price is justified because it is superior to pc is rubbish, it is justified because it does what you need how you need it... otherwise hardware wise, it doesnt use anything so special and i and many people dont justify the price for what it is... it is the brand image not the hardware that is priced...

Driver optimization doesnt come from Apple, i dont buy that, no oem will let apple peak into their hardware's blueprints!
Apple has certain requirements, and oem just does what apple wants, doesnt just handover their blueprints...

Apple has control over their OS, and they keep it under their control not because others cant write drivers or make similar hardware like apple does, it is because apple doesnt wanna share its revenue stream as its business model requires it! Every thing apple does is nearly completely what industry doesnt... They keep using proprietary stuff for connecting to its hardware, esp as of very late, more so, to charge others to use those ports or those parts that you will need as a result of their own standards...
Edited by: "mysticus" 14th Nov 2016

Interloper

Not a fair judgement? How? This is a deal for a MacBook Pro so it's … Not a fair judgement? How? This is a deal for a MacBook Pro so it's obvious that the vast majority of people buying is going to want to use Mac software. The reality is there is nothing to compare to the quality of some of these options on Windows, especially solutions included with the operating system such as iMovie and GarageBand.



I beg to differ on your personal opinion as an IT engineer/consultant contracting companies and providing support to 100s of users.

When people keep using "quality" based on their own personal opinion regarding the hardware, it is not a fair judgement. And i tell you for sure, you dont know what i m talking about, and you dont understand what i say at all.


I know exactly what a Hackintosh is, I've built them myself. In fact, … I know exactly what a Hackintosh is, I've built them myself. In fact, I've been building PCs and using both Windows and Macs for over 20 years so I'm not some dimwit who doesn't know what he's talking about. To say you can just install Mac OS and its software on "generic" PC hardware is nonsense. You know full well you have to buy compatible parts only and that's only realistically possible 90% of the time with a desktop.This is a laptop. Even if you could go out and buy a Windows laptop with compatible specs, you are going to miss out on features such as the Force Touch trackpad and 99% of Adobe RGB display. Besides, the vast majority of people (especially those who are using their computer to earn a living) neither have the time or inclination to build and maintain a Hackintosh. As a business solution it's a complete nonstarter. (It's also against the EULA of macOS, but that's another story.)It's not all about the hardware, you know. It's also about the support and after sales. Apple's is the best in the business. For many people, that's just as important - if not more so - than the generation of CPU or graphics chip used. It's also about having an experience that isn't utterly frustrating to use on a daily basis – I'm yet to use a single PC laptop that has anywhere near the quality of trackpad as a MacBook (even the older, non-Force Touch models) and the least said about the atrocious scaling issues in Windows when plugging laptops into monitors, the better.



I dont think you understand anything I have said! When did I say you can install Mac OS on any **** poop device you can get your hands on? Did you read anything i said about "drivers"? I m not so sure what kind of IT service you are providing, but i can only assume from the uneducated talk, you are one of those corner shop PC repair specialists.

You keep misquoting me, and I dont think I have any argument with you as you are not well knowledged, and not sure you understand anything I said at all. Nowhere i mentioned i did anything hackintosh for commercial use. I had supported some media tv commercial companies, and never provided them any solution with hackintoshes! However as a hobby and counter criticism, I demonstrated to those who were talking like you, as a proof of concept and side by side comparison for performance... I was asked to build/provide a sample for them to experiment but never did for legal reasons!

Your hardware knowledge and comments that is glossing apple hardware again and again showing your lack of knowledge, please read my comments properly...

mysticus

And i tell you for sure, you dont know what i m talking about, and you … And i tell you for sure, you dont know what i m talking about, and you dont understand what i say at all....I m not so sure what kind of IT service you are providing, but i can only assume from the uneducated talk, you are one of those corner shop PC repair specialists....Your hardware knowledge and comments that is glossing apple hardware again and again showing your lack of knowledge, please read my comments properly...



All of those insults because I dared to justify reasons to buy an Apple computer. Jeez. I'm not "glossing Apple hardware", I'm providing valid reasons why people are willing to pay for a Mac instead of messing around with Hackintoshing a PC or choosing Windows/Linux.

Since you've stooped to the level of insults and complete condescension, I have zero interest in engaging with you any further. You know absolutely nothing about me and life is too short for pointless Internet arguments.

Interloper



I am commenting on your pointless and baseless so called IT talk without knowing what you are talking about... You misquoted me for a few things, and your so called IT specialist talk is seriously rubbish.

"It's also about having an experience that isn't utterly frustrating to use on a daily basis"
What is so frustrating on a daily use on a regular PC?

"The reality is there is nothing to compare to the quality of some of these options on Windows" Tell me one important thing that you can do on a Mac that you dont have alternative on a PC? (not platform locked software, i m talking about a task)

"I'm yet to use a single PC laptop that has anywhere near the quality of trackpad as a MacBook"
Really? So if it justifies price for you, good for you.

"atrocious scaling issues in Windows"
With 20 years experience, you still dont know how resolution and scaling works...

I find your lack of knowledge appalling yet accuse me of insulting you? is it corner shop analogy?
"I'm not some dimwit who doesn't know what he's talking about." You dont sound like a person with 20 years experience in IT, more like a regular computer shop sales man who is trying to sell what is more profitable rather than what is necessary for a client/customer! Which is apple's exact marketing model. Gloss over with marketing, and sell something worth £100 for £3-400.

Again you are over glossing facts. A person who is paying £1500 for a laptop that is worth in actual parts/materials no more than £500-£600, you would expect it sell it at £1000... Since you are paying quite a bit extra value (lets call it insurance value) you expect a better service! If i were to sell you a £500 laptop and you wanna hand over £1500, i will not say no, i will provide you a 7/24 service not office hours only. "Apple's is the best in the business." Far from truth...But image is everything for it...

So does anybody have any theories on how they can sell the £2349 15" touchbar model which retails at £2349 everywhere else, for a saving of £219.03 at £2129.97?

I don't know what a retailers typical profit margin is on a £2349 laptop but I imagine £219 is most, if not all of it.

I've ordered from elsewhere and now I'm considering my options.
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