3 x Philips brushed chrome recessed spot lights - £5 @ Poundland
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3 x Philips brushed chrome recessed spot lights - £5 @ Poundland

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LocalFound 24th Mar
3 x Philips recessed spot ceiling lights. £5 I store Poundland Gravesend. I would assume national.
No bulbs included but you can pick up led for a couple of quid each maxim these days. Seems cheap to me.
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seen in London and it is a gu10 fitting. they look of a good quality
Are these fire rated by any chance?
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N1Andy59 m ago

Are these fire rated by any chance?


Probabaly not but that only matters if you’re using standard bulbs in my opinion. The standard bulbs get very hot which is why you’d want the fire rated surround. Led doesn’t get hot so doesn’t matter. No doubt there’ll be a mr health and safety advisor on here to say otherwise...
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kaptin_d13 m ago

Probabaly not but that only matters if you’re using standard bulbs in my o …Probabaly not but that only matters if you’re using standard bulbs in my opinion. The standard bulbs get very hot which is why you’d want the fire rated surround. Led doesn’t get hot so doesn’t matter. No doubt there’ll be a mr health and safety advisor on here to say otherwise...


Matters in a new build as that is the regulations, fitting to your own existing house doesn't matter. You can actually buy covers to make these comply anyway.

However by the time you buy decent bulbs for these they will be similar price to fire rated ones with a bulb in screwfix etc
Edited by: "deleted1032520" 24th Mar
kaptin_d13 m ago

Probabaly not but that only matters if you’re using standard bulbs in my o …Probabaly not but that only matters if you’re using standard bulbs in my opinion. The standard bulbs get very hot which is why you’d want the fire rated surround. Led doesn’t get hot so doesn’t matter. No doubt there’ll be a mr health and safety advisor on here to say otherwise...



Fire rating has nothing to do with the bulbs or the insulation covers you get.

Fire rated fittings have a type of heat activated foam that expands when fire type heat is detected. This is to fill the gap in the firewall the fitting makes. Typically allowing for a 30min burn through, preventing fire spreading and to allow time for evacuation between floors and the fire service being able to arrive.
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Oneday7712 m ago

Fire rating has nothing to do with the bulbs or the insulation covers you …Fire rating has nothing to do with the bulbs or the insulation covers you get.Fire rated fittings have a type of heat activated foam that expands when fire type heat is detected. This is to fill the gap in the firewall the fitting makes. Typically allowing for a 30min burn through, preventing fire spreading and to allow time for evacuation between floors and the fire service being able to arrive.


I knew someone would actually know. Presumably it’s not too important with led though?
kaptin_d1 h, 37 m ago

I knew someone would actually know. Presumably it’s not too important w …I knew someone would actually know. Presumably it’s not too important with led though?



It has nothing to do with the bulbs - it relates to fire safety between floors in a house or apartment block. If you have a fire in, for example the kitchen, then they need to be fire rated to stop the fire spreading through the hole in the ceiling that these fittings make.
N1Andy4 h, 5 m ago

It has nothing to do with the bulbs - it relates to fire safety between …It has nothing to do with the bulbs - it relates to fire safety between floors in a house or apartment block. If you have a fire in, for example the kitchen, then they need to be fire rated to stop the fire spreading through the hole in the ceiling that these fittings make.


Yes and no. Correct that the bulb doesn’t change the fire rating of the fitting however the point was is it less important with Led bulbs? The answer to that is: this is at your own risk but yes led bulbs are known for their lower fire risk due to lower running temperatures. As stated this does not mean they wont catch fire as no bulb is fire proof and the point regarding new regs still stands that fire rated fittings are a requirement.

The original question was is this less of an issue with led bulbs, in sense there is some thought behind the question. However I would always still go fire rated. All new builds have fire rated fittings with led bulbs, because as mentioned before leds are not fire proof
Edited by: "reececasey" 25th Mar
kaptin_d12 h, 12 m ago

I knew someone would actually know. Presumably it’s not too important w …I knew someone would actually know. Presumably it’s not too important with led though?



It isn't that the bulbs are the risk.

When a fire breaks out in a room, it will spread to other rooms through combustible material. If you build a solid room with no openings in the wall, except a solid wood fire door. A fire would be contained for a number of minutes.
As soon as you cut an opening in the wall for sockets, light fittings etc. You are breaching the barrier that prevents fire spreading to another room.

Fire rated light fittings account for this and will plug the gap in the event of a fire. As heat rises, a ceiling barrier is more important. Fire could easily spread up through a light into the cavity between ceiling and upstairs. Where the floor then starts to burn. Risking life and further damage.
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