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Looking for some oil for my Ford Focus and came across this. For a fully synthetic it's pretty cheap and is the right spec
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mannol energy I have found is brilliant and great value for money. Have completed 5 services with it over 4 cars in the last year and they are all purring away performing great! It's my new go to. Look out for their 40l barrels. Value wise its great. Fill with confidence op!
what's hydrosynthetic ???
anyway in my time machine I got drivetec 5W30 Fully Synthetic Oil when it was on offer for £13.50 -
not sure I would use this in my expensive ford although it does meet the B spec so it should be ok for older fords?
(drivetec is still available at GSF for £17 using code pro55)
Edited by: "matthat" 19th Jan
Better value getting the 20L one m8, only about £35 for ford spec on ebay, I buy the C3 sped for £45.
matthat19/01/2020 10:20

what's hydrosynthetic ???anyway in my time machine I got drivetec 5W30 …what's hydrosynthetic ???anyway in my time machine I got drivetec 5W30 Fully Synthetic Oil when it was on offer for £13.50 - not sure I would use this in my expensive ford although it does meet the B spec so it should be ok for older fords?


Probably referring to the art of using a hydrocracked base oil. Companies like Castrol use the same process.
It's odd because the Ford spec for a Petrol Ford Focus is WSS-M2C913-C (or 913-D ) and normally it's an A5/B5 spec (the modern version of A1/B1 spec). This is labelled as A3/B3.

The difference is the HTHS value.

In A1/B1 and now A5/B5 the HTHS is between 2.9 and 3.5 which supposedly aids fuel economy.

In A3/B3 (or A3/B4) the HTHS is greater than 3.5 which in theory would offer better protection in harder use (eg. A car slogging along at 80mph full of people) at the expense of causing a tiny bit more drag in the engine.

It tends to be Ford and Mazda that use A5/B5 and some of the newer VW/Audi engine's, with Most brands using A3/B4 oil (like BMW, most VW, most Mercedes, Vauxhall, etc)

It's a 5w30 and Mannol sounds like they make high quality oil, so I'm sure it's good stuff.
Edited by: "Superman_turbo_pro_3000" 19th Jan
matthat19/01/2020 10:20

what's hydrosynthetic ???anyway in my time machine I got drivetec 5W30 …what's hydrosynthetic ???anyway in my time machine I got drivetec 5W30 Fully Synthetic Oil when it was on offer for £13.50 - not sure I would use this in my expensive ford although it does meet the B spec so it should be ok for older fords?(drivetec is still available at GSF for £17 using code pro55)


In Germany, if you want to put the words 'full synthetic' on the side of the can, the base oil has to be Poly-Alpha Olefin or Ester based; something that is classically chemically 'synthesized'.
The great bulk of synthetic oils on the market today are made from severely hydro-cracked vacuum gasoil (which is derived from crude oil). It may not be classically chemically synthesized or technically quite as good but it's about a quarter of the price which is why it's taken over.
In the case of this Mannol oil, 'Hydrosynthetic' means it's based on Hydro-cracked base oils & in truth, will be all the better for it.
jesus I've given up the will to live.
Jeez......never seen so many BIG words on a post before....
Can anyone tell me is it ok for my VW Touran 1.9 tdi. Thanks
Worth paying fiver or so more for Castrol stuff over this?

Viscosity on this and spec (API SL) seems good for my litte Honda Jazz.
Edited by: "neoboy" 19th Jan
sohi_7919/01/2020 12:38

Can anyone tell me is it ok for my VW Touran 1.9 tdi. Thanks


You need a C3 oil with specification VW 504.00/507.00 normally 5w30 but i think some older oils might be 5w40 (but I'd personally stick with 5w30)

Nothing wrong with TripleQX from carpartsforless or Eurocarparts. Alternatively I like how smoothly my car runs on Shell Helix Ultra (the silver bottled one).

You can use Shell Helix Ultra AG as the specification is identical to Shell Helix Ultra ECT but it's cheaper (ECT is the one Shell suggest on their lubematch website).

5L jug is about £22 either Carparts4less with a code (try " MID21 ") or just search "Shell ultra AG 5L" on eBay.
Edited by: "Superman_turbo_pro_3000" 19th Jan
oil smoil.... every engine is made the same, suck squeeze bang blow, crank piston, conrods, if an engine needs a spec of oil it's made of chocolate, motorcycles typically run on semi synth 10w40, rev harder, get dirtier etc... trying understand what could make a fully synthetic oil 'better'?... stop panicking try changing your oil in half as much time than worrying about which one to use...
stealth66619/01/2020 14:38

oil smoil.... every engine is made the same, suck squeeze bang blow, crank …oil smoil.... every engine is made the same, suck squeeze bang blow, crank piston, conrods, if an engine needs a spec of oil it's made of chocolate, motorcycles typically run on semi synth 10w40, rev harder, get dirtier etc... trying understand what could make a fully synthetic oil 'better'?... stop panicking try changing your oil in half as much time than worrying about which one to use...



most garages buy what ever bulk oil is on offer that month... and this includes dealerships
neoboy19/01/2020 13:11

Worth paying fiver or so more for Castrol stuff over this?Viscosity on …Worth paying fiver or so more for Castrol stuff over this?Viscosity on this and spec (API SL) seems good for my litte Honda Jazz.


Probably not. On another thread there was a former oil designer, he said as long as it's spec for your car i.e.5w30, then essentially they are all the same. I have used halford oils for a long time to top up, got them around £11-12 for 4 litres of this spec on sale previously. So this is a great price.
MOJOoo719/01/2020 14:54

Probably not. On another thread there was a former oil designer, he said …Probably not. On another thread there was a former oil designer, he said as long as it's spec for your car i.e.5w30, then essentially they are all the same. I have used halford oils for a long time to top up, got them around £11-12 for 4 litres of this spec on sale previously. So this is a great price.


I tend to change mine around every 6 months as I do more miles than most people for such a small car and figure for less than £25 per change (do it myself) this is one maintenance expense worth doing often.

With this price I'm looking at around £18 with a quality oil filter so can't go wrong
neoboy19/01/2020 15:00

I tend to change mine around every 6 months as I do more miles than most …I tend to change mine around every 6 months as I do more miles than most people for such a small car and figure for less than £25 per change (do it myself) this is one maintenance expense worth doing often.With this price I'm looking at around £18 with a quality oil filter so can't go wrong


It's so cost effective when u can do it yourself. Do u use 4x axle stands and a couple of jack's as backup?

I never done it myself before because I don't have a driveway, although I always like to be able to do this as it's cheap and it pays for the axle stands with a couple of oil change. So I pay £42.65 for national tyres to do it atm.
neoboy19/01/2020 15:00

I tend to change mine around every 6 months as I do more miles than most …I tend to change mine around every 6 months as I do more miles than most people for such a small car and figure for less than £25 per change (do it myself) this is one maintenance expense worth doing often.With this price I'm looking at around £18 with a quality oil filter so can't go wrong



I don't change the filter every time - normally like to do between 20000 and 30000 mile before changing it (ok my car has some miles on it) , but like you I like to change the oil oftern (every 5000)
MOJOoo719/01/2020 15:45

It's so cost effective when u can do it yourself. Do u use 4x axle stands …It's so cost effective when u can do it yourself. Do u use 4x axle stands and a couple of jack's as backup?I never done it myself before because I don't have a driveway, although I always like to be able to do this as it's cheap and it pays for the axle stands with a couple of oil change. So I pay £42.65 for national tyres to do it atm.



you could get a pump so you don't have to go under -anyway you should use axle stands as a backup (I just use two jacks)
Any recommendations of which pump is decent to buy?
MOJOoo719/01/2020 17:33

Any recommendations of which pump is decent to buy?



I was going to get the pela 6000 as on my ford the sump plug is high and does not remove all the oil - also the dipstick is small and twisty - the pela has a stronger suctioned tube that won't get stuck which can happen on the clear silican tube extractors
sohi_7919/01/2020 12:38

Can anyone tell me is it ok for my VW Touran 1.9 tdi. Thanks


Hmmm...in theory yes but in practice, I'd say no it isn't.

Look for an oil with ACEA B4 on the can as a minimum. A B4 oil will contain a lot more ashless dispersant than a B3 oil & this is the stuff you need to keep soot suspended in the oil. You could go for a VW 507 oil but it will very likely cost a lot more for not a lot of incremental benefit.
MOJOoo719/01/2020 15:45

It's so cost effective when u can do it yourself. Do u use 4x axle stands …It's so cost effective when u can do it yourself. Do u use 4x axle stands and a couple of jack's as backup?I never done it myself before because I don't have a driveway, although I always like to be able to do this as it's cheap and it pays for the axle stands with a couple of oil change. So I pay £42.65 for national tyres to do it atm.


Just two axle stands on the front and leave my jack in as back up. This certainly is a benefit of finally getting a house with a drive for me, but to be fair used to do it in the private car park of the flat I lived in.

Whole process takes under half hour once you get used to it and you 100% know what's going in your car too.
matthat19/01/2020 16:11

I don't change the filter every time - normally like to do between 20000 …I don't change the filter every time - normally like to do between 20000 and 30000 mile before changing it (ok my car has some miles on it) , but like you I like to change the oil oftern (every 5000)


According to the manual I do need to service the car under "severe conditions" schedule with the miles I do per year. Figured with 112k on the clock, last thing I want to be saving on is oil changes when it's costing me so little to do it myself.
matthat19/01/2020 16:11

I don't change the filter every time - normally like to do between 20000 …I don't change the filter every time - normally like to do between 20000 and 30000 mile before changing it (ok my car has some miles on it) , but like you I like to change the oil oftern (every 5000)


What’s the point in changing the oil to leave all the crud and trace metal parts in that are collected by the filter. You simply then contaminate the new oil. The filter is the weak part, the fully synthetic oil is the strong part and will easily do 15,000+ miles. Filter is more important to change than the oil! As obviously taking the filler out drains the oil then they should always be done together.
MOJOoo719/01/2020 15:45

It's so cost effective when u can do it yourself. Do u use 4x axle stands …It's so cost effective when u can do it yourself. Do u use 4x axle stands and a couple of jack's as backup?I never done it myself before because I don't have a driveway, although I always like to be able to do this as it's cheap and it pays for the axle stands with a couple of oil change. So I pay £42.65 for national tyres to do it atm.


You don't need axle stands. I just use the Jack from the boot. Take off the drivers side front wheel (lay it under the car as protection from death).

Then just lie down using a few floormats from in the car and use a socket wrench (and if necessary a lump hammer to tap the wrench handle) to free the sump plug. Then just spin it out with your fingers, and set the black gold free
Any A5/B5 on offer?
gary33319/01/2020 22:12

What’s the point in changing the oil to leave all the crud and trace metal …What’s the point in changing the oil to leave all the crud and trace metal parts in that are collected by the filter. You simply then contaminate the new oil. The filter is the weak part, the fully synthetic oil is the strong part and will easily do 15,000+ miles. Filter is more important to change than the oil! As obviously taking the filler out drains the oil then they should always be done together.


Plus the paper in the filter could collapse...
well when i worked in a dealership we put the same oil in everything it was pumped out of a massive drum
gary33319/01/2020 22:12

What’s the point in changing the oil to leave all the crud and trace metal …What’s the point in changing the oil to leave all the crud and trace metal parts in that are collected by the filter. You simply then contaminate the new oil. The filter is the weak part, the fully synthetic oil is the strong part and will easily do 15,000+ miles. Filter is more important to change than the oil! As obviously taking the filler out drains the oil then they should always be done together.



Absolutely
Superman_turbo_pro_300019/01/2020 22:13

You don't need axle stands. I just use the Jack from the boot. Take off …You don't need axle stands. I just use the Jack from the boot. Take off the drivers side front wheel (lay it under the car as protection from death).Then just lie down using a few floormats from in the car and use a socket wrench (and if necessary a lump hammer to tap the wrench handle) to free the sump plug. Then just spin it out with your fingers, and set the black gold free



A lump hammer on a sump plug OMG
gary33319/01/2020 22:12

What’s the point in changing the oil to leave all the crud and trace metal …What’s the point in changing the oil to leave all the crud and trace metal parts in that are collected by the filter. You simply then contaminate the new oil. The filter is the weak part, the fully synthetic oil is the strong part and will easily do 15,000+ miles. Filter is more important to change than the oil! As obviously taking the filler out drains the oil then they should always be done together.



I don't like remove the filter as some of the trapped metal parts in the will get into the wrong side of the oil system (on my car the filter is on the top of the engine so all the old oil and grit falls into the oil system) , also dirt and contaminants can get into the clean side which in my opinion is worst than having a little bit of old oil in the system .
stealth66620/01/2020 10:34

Plus the paper in the filter could collapse...



I had an old Honda CX500 bike and Honda's service department recommended you never changed the filter as they had more problems with the filter getting sucked into the engine than they had with filters getting blocked. I presume it was a manufacturing problem but I did over 50000 miles after I changed the filter and had no problems (although the chassis rusted and it got scraped in the end)
matthat20/01/2020 11:39

I had an old Honda CX500 bike and Honda's service department recommended …I had an old Honda CX500 bike and Honda's service department recommended you never changed the filter as they had more problems with the filter getting sucked into the engine than they had with filters getting blocked. I presume it was a manufacturing problem but I did over 50000 miles after I changed the filter and had no problems (although the chassis rusted and it got scraped in the end)



of course the old Hondas had no shell bearings on the head so they ran direct in the alloy so oil changes were imperitive
sohi_7919/01/2020 12:38

Can anyone tell me is it ok for my VW Touran 1.9 tdi. Thanks


If you're after something cheap for your diesel, you might want to consider this Mannol oil which costs more (£16.42) but might fit the bill...

amazon.co.uk/MAN…p/BB01BKS2PO4

The important thing to note is that Mannol claim this meets API CH-4. CH-4 has been an obsolete oil specification for several years now but I remember when this was the top heavy duty diesel oil for trucks & buses!
Joe90_guy20/01/2020 19:37

If you're after something cheap for your diesel, you might want to …If you're after something cheap for your diesel, you might want to consider this Mannol oil which costs more (£16.42) but might fit the bill...https://www.amazon.co.uk/MANNOL-Energy-Premium-engine-litres/dp/BB01BKS2PO4The important thing to note is that Mannol claim this meets API CH-4. CH-4 has been an obsolete oil specification for several years now but I remember when this was the top heavy duty diesel oil for trucks & buses!


Ordered
this one..£16.57 for my vw Touran 1.9tdi
Joe90_guy20/01/2020 19:37

If you're after something cheap for your diesel, you might want to …If you're after something cheap for your diesel, you might want to consider this Mannol oil which costs more (£16.42) but might fit the bill...https://www.amazon.co.uk/MANNOL-Energy-Premium-engine-litres/dp/BB01BKS2PO4The important thing to note is that Mannol claim this meets API CH-4. CH-4 has been an obsolete oil specification for several years now but I remember when this was the top heavy duty diesel oil for trucks & buses!


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sohi_7920/01/2020 20:45

Ordered this one..£16.57 for my vw Touran 1.9tdi


That's a fabulous price for such an oil! I approve.
scarecrow196020/01/2020 10:57

A lump hammer on a sump plug OMG


Try reading my comment carefully again.
matthat20/01/2020 11:34

I don't like remove the filter as some of the trapped metal parts in the …I don't like remove the filter as some of the trapped metal parts in the will get into the wrong side of the oil system (on my car the filter is on the top of the engine so all the old oil and grit falls into the oil system) , also dirt and contaminants can get into the clean side which in my opinion is worst than having a little bit of old oil in the system .


Unless you are smashing the filter with a hammer to remove them the metallic crud is engrained in the filter membrane. Only by running new oil through it at high temperature will you dislodge it. It’s not like a dyson after vacuuming up iron fillings. Regardless of the angle renewing the filter is more important than changing the oil when you have high end fully synthetic in there. In fact this is something many Mercedes owners do in the states due to also having to mounted oil filters that are easily accessible. Many people don’t want to lose $100 of oil so this is a sensible precaution as it’s the filter that won’t last 20k not the oil.
sohi_7919/01/2020 12:38

Can anyone tell me is it ok for my VW Touran 1.9 tdi. Thanks


in the same store look for Mannol Engine Oil 5w30 5L for Audi VW SEAT SKODA BMW LL-04 504.00/507.00 C3 thats about
£15.72 each

as you need either VW 507.00 or VW 505.01 spec
Edited by: "mihav" 22nd Jan
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