9KG, 1600 spin per min, VIRTUALLY Which? recommended***, Indesit Washing Machine. £286.93 @ Currys
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9KG, 1600 spin per min, VIRTUALLY Which? recommended***, Indesit Washing Machine. £286.93 @ Currys

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Found 2nd Oct 2012
This is a good deal for a 9KG load capacity, 1600 spin, ***Which? recommended washing machine. I have just ordered one.

*** The 1400 RPM version ( INDESIT PWE91472W ) of this model range is recommended by Which? This is the exact same model range machine ( INDESIT PWE91672W ), except with a quicker 1600 RPM spin speed.

£286.93* with Currys code " homeapp5 " .

*including £2.82 (2% NET) cashback via quidco.com .

BTW, Currys do free delivery and free collection and disposable of your old washing machine.

It even has a duvet wash cycle!

The Indesit PWE91672W Washing Machine provides powerful cleaning results and can handle even large loads with its 9 kg capacity.

With 16 different washing programs, the Indesit PWE91672W Washing Machine is able to adapt to the needs of any load, and the variable temperature helps you keep your clothes looking as perfect as when you bought them.

With an A++AA rating for energy efficiency, wash and spin drying performance, this machine can really perform. Delivering a maximum spin speed of 1600 rpm, the Indesit PWE 91672W leaves only 45% of water so drying is faster and easier.

The 24-hour delay timer lets you set the wash to start at a time that's convenient to you, and the 51 dB(A) Re 1pw noise level means you don't have to be heard above the machine. With a 190-minute program and a quickwash option, your clothes will be fresh in next to no time!

The Indesit PWE91672W Washing Machine comes in a stylish white design that's as clean as its results. As good on colours as it is on whites, this is a superior choice for anyone who demands quality washing

MAIN FEATURES
Type of construction Front-loading washing machine
Load capacity 9 kg / 19.8 lb
Maximum spin speed 1600 rpm
Energy rating A++
Wash performance rating A
Spin performance rating A
Noise level 51 dB(A)
Number of programmes 16
Programmable time 190 minutes
WASHING
Variable temperature Yes
Wash functions Time saver button, Rinse hold, anti crease option
FEATURES
Variable spin speed Yes
Spin stabilisation Yes
Loading Front
Other features Overflow protection, Delay timer
CONTROLS
Display Digital display
Programme selection Electronic
ENVIRONMENT
Consumption per cycle 1.35 KWh, 77 litres
Annual consumption 270 KWh, 15400 litres
Noise level (wash) 51 dB(A)
Noise level (spin) 51 dB(A)
Moisture content after spin 45%
PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS
Colour White
Dimensions 850 x 595 x 600mm (H x W x D)

53 Comments

Does the Which report discuss reliability? I thought Indesit were in the bottom half of the table keeping Hoover and Hotpoint company.

Also keep an eye that the rubber gasket drains after each wash. They are plagued with mould issues.

Which? recommended? Not according to the Which? website, where it doesn't exist because it hasn't been tested.

The possibly similar PWE91472W isn't a Best Buy either, and Indesit reliability is ranked 9th out of 12.

Surely some mistake?

Partner had an Indesit washer drier, that definitely was very prone to getting black mold round the rubber seal, which couldn't be scrubbed off and stank. It also failed after a couple of years. I have an Indesit oven, which had to be repaired at 4 months old. Also wondering if Which report discusses reliability.
Edited by: "MSK." 2nd Oct 2012

Original Poster

My mistake, the 1400 RPM version is Which? recommended - this is the exact same machine, except with 1600 RPM.

It would be reasonable to assume it has the same overall quality as it's slower RPM little brother, so the Which? recommendation, although for the 1400 RPM version, is a sound indication of overall quality/reliability etc of this 1600 RPM version.

Thanks for pointing this out - I'll amend the description accordingly.

M.

Edited by: "Flarky" 2nd Oct 2012

A couple of points re comparison -

- What is the Price Which? give for the 1400RPM version?
- Are the drum bearings and suspension uprated for the higher spin speed, or is this going to lead to reliability issues? (But then I guess Which? can't tell much about reliability of specific models.)

You could always run it at 1400 spin only!

I would hope it only leaves 4.5% of the water behind, not 45%!

Flarky

My mistake, the 1400 RPM version is Which? recommended - this is the … My mistake, the 1400 RPM version is Which? recommended - this is the exact same machine, except with 1600 RPM.It would be reasonable to assume it has the same overall quality as it's slower RPM little brother, so the Which? recommendation, although for the 1400 RPM version, is a sound indication of overall quality/reliability etc of this 1600 RPM version.Thanks for pointing this out - I'll amend the description accordingly.M.



I can't find anything similar to this amongst the Which? Best Buys - or indeed any Indesit model!

What's the model number of the one you say is 'recommended' please?

Original Poster

I am basing the Which? recommendation being correct from this retailers reference "This item is recommended by Which?" - markselectrical.co.uk/PWE…tml .

Original Poster

pibpob

You could always run it at 1400 spin only!



Thats my thinking.

I read a few tech/engineer forums, and it seems to be that most machines develop faults because when spun at maximum RPM, the vibrations, over time, cause faults.

My intention is to run this machine at 1200/1400 max, and thus avoid excessive vibrations.

M.

Flarky

I am basing the Which? recommendation being correct from this retailers … I am basing the Which? recommendation being correct from this retailers reference "This item is recommended by Which?" - http://markselectrical.co.uk/PWE91472W_Indesit-Washer.html .



That's an interesting claim by the retailer, particularly given the rather sneaky way they show this logo:

http://markselectrical.co.uk/siteimages/logos/full/Which-Best-Buy.jpg

It isn't actually a Which? Best Buy, but it does do reasonably well - if you disregard the poor reliability of the brand (9th out of 12).

Original Poster

The way I read it is that its a 'Marks best buy', IE, the retailer, Marks Electrical, thinks its a best buy...

...and Which say its a recommended washing machine!

Do I have that right?

M.
Edited by: "Flarky" 2nd Oct 2012

Flarky

The way I read it is that its a 'Marks best buy', IE, the retailer, Marks … The way I read it is that its a 'Marks best buy', IE, the retailer, Marks Electrical, thinks its a best buy......and Which say its a recommended washing machine!Do I have that right?M.



Probably, though Which? don't actually 'recommend' it at all, really, in the sense that the only ones they really recommend are listed as 'Best Buys'.

It's the juxtaposition of the words 'Which?' and 'Best Buy' on the website that concern me - I think they're used in a less than straightforward way.

Banned

I believe they missed out the H after the S in their name by mistake!

Poor washer, prone to mould and scum around door seal, bearings are made of chocloate to name the most common faults, if you are going to get one then only ever use a biological powder and reduce the spin speed to 800rpm and it should last you a couple of years.

Is non bio detergent worse for a washing machine?

Hi there, i work for Currys and we'd never quote a Which? Reccomendation, due to the fact that their reviews tend to be on models that were available at the time of review only (sometimes a year ago), and also the manufacturer has to actually pay for the right to display the Which? Logo, which Indesit dont seem to do.

That being said, under £300 for a 9kg wash load and 1600 spin is a great price, albeit Indesit dont generally feature as one of most reliable machines going.

I'd suggest maybe looking towards a LG machine (if youre feeling flush) or maybe a lower spec Bosch?

turkeytime ^^^^ - some sound advice there. I had an Indesit (1400 rpm, 6kg) which was lightly used and based on that it did last 6 years, but when I inspected the internals it was pretty basic inside, with two huge concrete blocks and plastic suspension mounting points. I know many follow the same convention, but that is more a principal of price economy than engineering.

I didn't suffer the mould issues described herein, but the bearings failed, which are internal to the drum thus making it BER (beyond economical repair).

Buy on the basis that its not the best performance and estimate a life of approx 3-5 years depending on use.

Having said all that, 2-3 years use, for a 1600 rpm, 9kg machine for < £300 is good value.

I myself decided to go one step up this time and plumped for an LG 1400 rpm, 8kg with the much lauded DirectDrive motor, which is both incredibly quiet and robust. Managed to get one for the same price as this. Not exactly a Miele (~£800-£1000), but some way up from an Indesit!

My experience with low end washing machines has been terrible. Twelve years ago I bought a bottom of the range, last year's model Miele for about £400. With children aged 3, 5 and 7 and a crazy wife who used washable nappies, this machine has been used pretty much once a day for the last seven years, and often twice a day, on top of the ordinary use before children. It still looks like new and has never, ever let us down and I don't expect it to either. Going from seeing the Zanussi repair man once every six months to never seeing the Miele repairman with a machine used much more intensively is a fantastic experience. I couldn't go back to a 'hitting a price point' concrete blocks and repairman washing machine. If you can afford the upfront cost, I highly recommend buying a decent machine.

Original Poster

Hi Brewer,

Am unsure now LOL.

Do you have a link for the 8kg LG ?

TIA.

M.

Brewer

turkeytime ^^^^ - some sound advice there. I had an Indesit (1400 rpm, … turkeytime ^^^^ - some sound advice there. I had an Indesit (1400 rpm, 6kg) which was lightly used and based on that it did last 6 years, but when I inspected the internals it was pretty basic inside, with two huge concrete blocks and plastic suspension mounting points. I know many follow the same convention, but that is more a principal of price economy than engineering


Almost all modern washing machines, except Miele, use concrete blocks as counterweights and have plastic suspension.

That said, as a washing machine engineer, this is a pile of rubbish. Problem, as with all Indesits, is they use small, cheap bearings which fail quickly, especially spinning at 1,600rpm with a 9kg load in. When the bearings go it's a sealed tub so you have to throw away the machine.

Honestly, if you really need a 9kg wash a Miele is the way to go. But for the average household you're much better paying a bit more for a 6kg/7kg Bosch which will last on average four times as long as this.

I have no doubt, as usual, there will be a load of replies from people who bought in Indesit when dinosaurs walked the earth and do eight washes a day without a problem. There are always exceptions. But overall you get a lot more machine for very little extra money with Bosch.

Most definitely NOT RECOMMENDED by Which as stated by others above.

Brewer. Got to say lg are always my choice to recommend to my customers. Direct drive really does take out lots of parts that break down in normal machines. Not all lg have direct drive, but if funds allow deinitely a good choice.

Likewise, musical, Miele are great machines (honeycomb drums work remarkably well).

The indesit mentioned in this thread is a decent choice for the price, be careful with uneven loads though causing a bit of pressure on the machine (especially at 1600 spin).

Have a look a the newer Samsung ecobubble (about 370 from memory), seems a popular choice with my customers at the moment and only had positive feedback so far!

Original Poster

Thanks for all your input.

You guys have saved me from making a bad purchase.

I have emailed Currys instructing them to cancel the order.

I will look at Bosch and LG Direct Drive models with a slightly smaller drum for around the same money instead.

M

This is class. I might cancel my iPhone 5 order and buy one for me and my mate. 9kg...awesome!

turkeytime

Direct drive really does take out lots of parts that break down in normal … Direct drive really does take out lots of parts that break down in normal machines.


I'm curious about that. Doesn't all it save you from is a snapped belt and a couple of motor bearings?

All models fail, they are made from cheaper and cheaper part these days in order to save costs. I would buy another Miele again purely because they are easy to repair and come with the 10 year warranty, plus also someone miss-priced it when I bought the last one (so might not be so lucky next time).

However I have to say that we had the engineer out on a number of occasions when I first took delivery of the machine, it was the PCB had some low level fault that only some senior technician managed to rectify (mind you he was here an entire afternoon). About a year ago the top was replaced. However two weeks ago we had the rubber replaced since the door light had dropped and wasn't sitting correctly in situ. Although the engineer decided to replace the motor as well, not sure why exactly but a clicking noise (very low level) was sounding when you turned the drum buy hand.

So after all my waffling - the point is that you buy the best you can afford, but even people like Miele are prone to failure. Although in theory less likely.

Also watch out, with any washing machine, for it having a plastic outer drum. My wife seems unable to keep coins out of washing, and it broke twice. Thats not sexist - i do loads of washes myself, and tend to check pockets. A machine from a good brand (miele, siemens or bosch IMHO) will cost a few hundred more, last far longer, and be of a far better quality for the time it does last.

ps 45% residual moisture is par for the course, though im not sure how they work it out - maybe its compared to an hour drip drying?

Original Poster

Having looked around I cant afford a Miele, they're big bucks, so it's a LG Direct Drive 8KG for me. Should cost £325/350 delivered. They have a 2 year warranty, so factoring that in, with the superior build quality and life expectancy, it's a no brainer.

Thanks again.

M.
Edited by: "Flarky" 2nd Oct 2012

Hi pibpob,

A few benefits of the Fact that theres no belt and pulley means Less wear and tear on motor, Motor is more stable as its magnetised, The brushes have been taken out so quiter operation and all direct drive motors come with a 10 year guarantee.

Hope that helps.

How is this brand compared to BEKO?

neo4403

How is this brand compared to BEKO?

Neither of them beat a Panasonic/Meile/Bosch, but just about the best elcheapo brand. Dont go with silly drum loads. 6kg 1200rpm type machine should last a good 5 years without hassle in average use. Certainly if my budget was 200 quid, it would be the only brand id consider. 400 quid it would be Panasonic Direct Drive or´maybe LG.

mystik

Is non bio detergent worse for a washing machine?

Worse isnt the right word, but Bio powders destroy alot more nastys and disolve build up of scum left by non bio and gels. With any wm it is always advisable to run a service wash at least 3/4 times a year. That is an empty machine, bio powder, intensive boil/90 degree wash. Chuck in a couple of calgon as well whilst your at it. Stops the black death of wms.
Edited by: "czechoslovakia" 2nd Oct 2012

Flarky

Having looked around I cant afford a Miele, they're big bucks, so it's a … Having looked around I cant afford a Miele, they're big bucks, so it's a LG Direct Drive 8KG for me. Should cost £325/350 delivered. They have a 2 year warranty, so factoring that in, with the superior build quality and life expectancy, it's a no brainer.Thanks again.M.

A good choice

czechoslovakia

Worse isnt the right word, but Bio powders destroy alot more nastys and … Worse isnt the right word, but Bio powders destroy alot more nastys and disolve build up of scum left by non bio and gels. With any wm it is always advisable to run a service wash at least 3/4 times a year. That is an empty machine, bio powder, intensive boil/90 degree wash. Chuck in a couple of calgon as well whilst your at it. Stops the black death of mws.


Does it make a difference if there is washing in it or not when you do the boil wash with bio powder?

turkeytime

Hi there, i work for Currys and we'd never quote a Which? Reccomendation, … Hi there, i work for Currys and we'd never quote a Which? Reccomendation, due to the fact that their reviews tend to be on models that were available at the time of review only (sometimes a year ago), and also the manufacturer has to actually pay for the right to display the Which? Logo, which Indesit dont seem to do.That being said, under £300 for a 9kg wash load and 1600 spin is a great price, albeit Indesit dont generally feature as one of most reliable machines going. I'd suggest maybe looking towards a LG machine (if youre feeling flush) or maybe a lower spec Bosch?



Turkeytime - I am WAY off subject, but...as you work for Currys:p...I'm looking for a new fridge/freezer. Have a graphite Hotpoint right now which I like (it's just past it's best now) but open to other colours/brands. I've seen a couple of Hotpoint special offer models in Currys about the £300 mark but is it better spending more? I need 60cm width, as tall as poss for largest capacity, hopefully 4 freezer drawers, and frost free. I don't mind spending up to £500 but would be willing to go to more if it was worth it. Any suggestions?

Apologies to everyone else for reading this when it's got nothing to do with the subject in question! (For info only, I have a 3 yr old Indesit washing machine which is used for at least 3 loads daily and the only problem it's had so far is a faulty door catch. At least it doesn't tear holes in my clothes like my Hotpoint washing machine did!).

Flarky

Having looked around I cant afford a Miele, they're big bucks, so it's a … Having looked around I cant afford a Miele, they're big bucks, so it's a LG Direct Drive 8KG for me. Should cost £325/350 delivered. They have a 2 year warranty, so factoring that in, with the superior build quality and life expectancy, it's a no brainer.Thanks again.M.



Direct drive is indeed eye openingly quiet, but 2 year warantee isnt terribly impressive. I posted up a siemens with a 5 year warantee for £450 the other day which i think is also a good option.

[quote=turkeytime]Hi there, i work for Currys and we'd never quote a Which? Reccomendation, due to the fact that their reviews tend to be on models that were available at the time of review only (sometimes a year ago), and also the manufacturer has to actually pay for the right to display the Which? Logo, which Indesit dont seem to do.



Which? allows manufacturers to use the Best Buy logo under a licencing arrangement - it is the choice of manufacturers whether or not to pay the licence fee and use the logo in their advertising for that particular product. Probably Indesit don't use the licencing arrangement because they don't have many products which are a Which? Best Buy.
As regards Which? product tests, these are often updated as and when new model ranges are introduced. The comment about old products being tested, Which? publishes tests on washing machines every year. The latest test from earlier this year, includes machines which were introduced as late as May 2012.

Hi frostyballs, we do use which best buys in store on applicable models (panasonic for example) as they pay to use the recommendation.

In relation to the machines tested in may 2012, the following ranges have been ntroduced since then and i'm unable to find them tested - Sandstrom, Hoover, Samsung (ecobubbles), Hotpoint Futura. Then, of course, each retailer has exclusive models with a small change in each and Which? Do not rate these variants. Exactly like this Indesit mentioned on this very thread.

Im not questioning the validity at all of Which reports, just think they should act a bit quicker especially when range updates in areas like laundry happen once every 6 months.

Lou Scotland

Does it make a difference if there is washing in it or not when you do … Does it make a difference if there is washing in it or not when you do the boil wash with bio powder?

No, as long as its whites/cottons obviously, not Bobs favourite wooly jumper. Problem today is the marketing people / government want everyone to wash as 20/30 degrees with eco friendly gels in wms that use only a dribble of water. But this will leave all sorts of bacteria, sludge and slime hiding in the unseen depths of the wm, causing bad smells, black mould on the rubber door seal etc. Very few people wash at 90 these days, and actually almost no garments modernly can withstand the temp. Maybe only towels. So if you are using bio and boil regular anyway, youre in the clear.
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