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Sony A6000 Compact System Camera with 16-50mm OSS Lens, HD 1080p, 24.3MP, Wi-Fi, NFC, OLED EVF, £359 at John Lewis & Partners
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Sony A6000 Compact System Camera with 16-50mm OSS Lens, HD 1080p, 24.3MP, Wi-Fi, NFC, OLED EVF, £359 at John Lewis & Partners

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In 50 years' time they will still have this camera on sale
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In 50 years' time they will still have this camera on sale
No Sony cashback deal at the mo sadly - sony.co.uk/pro…ack
Still a decent deal and a capable camera
davemhaynes05/01/2020 10:25

No Sony cashback deal at the mo sadly - …No Sony cashback deal at the mo sadly - https://www.sony.co.uk/promo/cashback


Doubt there will ever be cashback on this model again.
Mike_HUKD05/01/2020 13:12

Doubt there will ever be cashback on this model again.


I was lucky a couple of years ago then.
davemhaynes05/01/2020 13:16

I was lucky a couple of years ago then.


Sony offer cashback on their more recent lines in order to promote them. So several years on, there's no longer a reason to promote the a6000. It has a direct replacement in the a6100.
Recently on holiday abroad and can honestly say that 95% of people taking photos where using a phone, very few now seem to use a dedicated camera, not knocking this deal but how things have and are changing, I have in my life purchased many cameras but can not really see the point any more unless the plan is to blow image up to print on A3 or similar.
Bendown05/01/2020 14:29

Recently on holiday abroad and can honestly say that 95% of people taking …Recently on holiday abroad and can honestly say that 95% of people taking photos where using a phone, very few now seem to use a dedicated camera, not knocking this deal but how things have and are changing, I have in my life purchased many cameras but can not really see the point any more unless the plan is to blow image up to print on A3 or similar.


Agree. I think mobile phones are definitely replacing compact digital cameras. Last decade has definitely seen a vast improvement in mobile camera quality . Its just more convenient.
Raseo705/01/2020 14:35

Agree. I think mobile phones are definitely replacing compact digital …Agree. I think mobile phones are definitely replacing compact digital cameras. Last decade has definitely seen a vast improvement in mobile camera quality . Its just more convenient.


I am really shocked, never though I would see this day, that is coming from a guy who started using a single lens reflex and separate light meter and shot images on to slide film. Now I do not own a dedicated camera, although I am always tempted by these type of deals, it is like old tech in my opinion. out of hundreds of people taking pictures I bet I only saw 10 with actual cameras, really now so obvious what is happening.
Bendown05/01/2020 14:29

Recently on holiday abroad and can honestly say that 95% of people taking …Recently on holiday abroad and can honestly say that 95% of people taking photos where using a phone, very few now seem to use a dedicated camera, not knocking this deal but how things have and are changing, I have in my life purchased many cameras but can not really see the point any more unless the plan is to blow image up to print on A3 or similar.


Personally I find a viewfinder very helpful and also struggle to hold a phone steady. I enjoy taking photos with a camera but with a phone it's just a tick box exercise.

However one can't deny the trend for most to use their phone.
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£329 here - no stock but it is due in a couple of weeks apparently. Slightly cheaper alternative for those that can wait and aren't fussed about the JL warranty.
Bendown05/01/2020 14:29

Recently on holiday abroad and can honestly say that 95% of people taking …Recently on holiday abroad and can honestly say that 95% of people taking photos where using a phone, very few now seem to use a dedicated camera, not knocking this deal but how things have and are changing, I have in my life purchased many cameras but can not really see the point any more unless the plan is to blow image up to print on A3 or similar.


I think you have to consider that many people are just happy to take a photo and give it no more thought, a lot of people these days are only interested in selfies or group pics, so having a camera on your phone is convenient and generally pleasing enough just to snap those moments and share on social media or whatever.
Then there's people like me who are no photographer, but who like to capture nice pleasing images (portraits, selfies, landscape, macro etc) just as the mood takes them and when they see something they want to snap. I'm often frustrated by the pictures on my phone not being able to get good lighting, not enough zoom or clarity etc. For this reason I am in the market for a good compact camera to replace my old one which no longer does the job, but something I can still slip into my bag or pocket and take out on walks, holidays, days out and take photos at home etc.
I want something that is pretty much point and shoot as I don't have a big understanding of settings and the possibilities of getting those amazing shots, I just want to be able to snap what I like and get a better outcome than my phone often offers, which has a good camera but it's still not A camera

Years ago a camera was the only option, so everyone had one, but many probably just went for the cheaper options just to have one. I'd imagine it's the same now but phones have taken over in convenience over price as they aren't just a camera.
Nikon, my favourite company already announced loss for year. They will probably finish with D5*** and D3*** cameras. There are compact cameras with aps-c or 1" sensor with 24-200mm starting on 1.8f which you can put in your jeans pocket but most of compact cameras are finishing, same like cheap DSLR as mirrorless cameras taking already smaller market, this will soon repeat in full frame. Phones now using 100Mpx sensors with even 5 lenses and AI which ading missing information in picture and are more than adequate for web or social media. When you last time printed photos? Snapfish offering 50 free photos per month just pay for delivery and I still used it just 2x per year. I can't remember when I last time used Photoshop.
i upgraded to the a6400 and tbh the only reason i still use an actual camera over my phone is for the bokeh in portraits. When phones catch up i may ditch the camera lol
Valid points above. Having been abroad recently I can say that I hardly saw anyone with proper cameras. I carry both but even my Pocophone managed to take some brilliantly detailed pictures. Its a decent price for this camera but am waiting for a good deal on the Fuji XT-20 or Fuji XE-3
Currently a decent camera is leagues better at recording video than any smartphone although maybe not this camera
Jo44405/01/2020 15:50

Nikon, my favourite company already announced loss for year. They will …Nikon, my favourite company already announced loss for year. They will probably finish with D5*** and D3*** cameras. There are compact cameras with aps-c or 1" sensor with 24-200mm starting on 1.8f which you can put in your jeans pocket but most of compact cameras are finishing, same like cheap DSLR as mirrorless cameras taking already smaller market, this will soon repeat in full frame. Phones now using 100Mpx sensors with even 5 lenses and AI which ading missing information in picture and are more than adequate for web or social media. When you last time printed photos? Snapfish offering 50 free photos per month just pay for delivery and I still used it just 2x per year. I can't remember when I last time used Photoshop.


Never print any more, the option is there but most times just view on my laptop, its a changing world. Some time ago I made a comment about a camera that had no viewfinder only to be slated by most people saying they rarely used a viewfinder and was happy with just a screen. There will always be the die hards just like with vinyl records but the trend is now to use a phone, my Samsung s10E seems to take great photos, even in low light they are punchy and sharp. Having said that If a deal comes up on the Fuji 100F I may bite, just looks a lovely retro bit of kit
That's mean nothing for 95% of buyers.
PenguinsForAll05/01/2020 17:17

Currently a decent camera is leagues better at recording video than any …Currently a decent camera is leagues better at recording video than any smartphone although maybe not this camera

I think phone cameras are unbeatable for point and shoot use where the photos are being used with no processing, it amazes me the output from such tiny sensors. This is a great price for a decent little APS-C camera which can produce fantastic IQ particularly dynamic range and high iso where small sensors suffer but I'd only consider if prepared to take the time to shoot raw and process the photos as it's not great in automatic, in fact I can't think of any dedicated camera that is anywhere near as good as any decent phone camera.
Bendown05/01/2020 17:34

Never print any more, the option is there but most times just view on my …Never print any more, the option is there but most times just view on my laptop, its a changing world. Some time ago I made a comment about a camera that had no viewfinder only to be slated by most people saying they rarely used a viewfinder and was happy with just a screen. There will always be the die hards just like with vinyl records but the trend is now to use a phone, my Samsung s10E seems to take great photos, even in low light they are punchy and sharp. Having said that If a deal comes up on the Fuji 100F I may bite, just looks a lovely retro bit of kit


I use a Sony 35mm FF compact similar to the Fuji and it's a good compliment to a phone, it's still reasonably small but offers superb dynamic range, high iso and shallow DoF. I thought the fixed 35mm would be limiting but in some ways it's quite refreshing not needing to worry about which lenses to take and it can work well for many shots.

You don't need to print to see the benefits from a larger sensor either, the following photo is just a quick one on a 1in sensor but you can see the huge amount of detail you can pull back that just isn't possible with a smaller sensor which at least would need stacking:

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Edited by: "Johnmcl7" 5th Jan
The only type of photography most people want to do is just take general wide to standard FOV shots like 24-35mm equivalent or something.

There's practically no reason to even carry around a very small DSLR with a small lens like a Canon 250D and 24mm 2.8 pancake when any mobile phone will get the exact same result, fits in your pocket and doesn't make you stand out like a sore thumb when you pull the thing out in a public place.

The only reason to even buy these DSLR's or Mirrorless cameras is if you're doing some really specific niche type of photography that a phone can't do like macro, telephoto sport/wildlife or extreme low light astrophotography etc.
Haruhi05/01/2020 18:14

The only type of photography most people want to do is just take general …The only type of photography most people want to do is just take general wide to standard FOV shots like 24-35mm equivalent or something.There's practically no reason to even carry around a very small DSLR with a small lens like a Canon 250D and 24mm 2.8 pancake when any mobile phone will get the exact same result, fits in your pocket and doesn't make you stand out like a sore thumb when you pull the thing out in a public place.The only reason to even buy these DSLR's or Mirrorless cameras is if you're doing some really specific niche type of photography that a phone can't do like macro, telephoto sport/wildlife or extreme low light astrophotography etc.


This isn't even remotely true, any APS-C camera within the last few years can produce far better IQ than a mobile phone camera. I'd absolutely love a phone camera that could have the DR and high ISO of a larger sensor but they don't exist and the physics is against them. Mobile phones get great results from their small sensors and they are far better in automatic modes which can make them look better than an FF camera but there is almost no latitude at all to process an image from a phone and their dynamic range and high iso are poor.

It's not being snobbish towards mobile phones at all as I find their cameras superb and regularly take advantage of mine but almost always have a little Sony 35mm FF on me for day to day photography as even with its aging sensor it's still orders of magnitude better than any phone camera. Computational photography is impressive but it's no substitute for a bigger sensor which doesn't need any stacking and the IQ on a genuine shallow depth of field is noticeably better than the fake efforts offered on phones.
Edited by: "Johnmcl7" 5th Jan
Johnmcl705/01/2020 18:10

,.... in fact I can't think of any dedicated camera that is anywhere near …,.... in fact I can't think of any dedicated camera that is anywhere near as good as any decent phone camera.


Most cameras are way better than phones; images on phones look good as the phone screens are very good.
afroylnt05/01/2020 18:38

Most cameras are way better than phones; images on phones look good as the …Most cameras are way better than phones; images on phones look good as the phone screens are very good.


I have compared on a 15.6 full hd screened laptop and have to disagree, sorry
I have a Sony a5100 and paired with a 18-200 lens it's capable of taking fantastic photos which a camera phone couldn't hope to get near especially at the long end. I do slide shows of photos which I put on a 55 inch TV and you can clearly see the difference between the few phone pics I include and the ones taken with a camera. However, it's all down to what you use it for as it suits me whereas a phone camera is fine for many people. I do think that it's only a matter of time before technology makes standalone cameras redundant
Can you tell if this is from DSLR, compact or phone?39598542-g1tSa.jpg
TellyLover05/01/2020 10:08

In 50 years' time they will still have this camera on sale


Probably! As of today and updated hourly, it's still the biggest selling interchangeable mirror-less digital camera on Amazon (of all time too) and also the 2nd most wished for digital camera of any type.

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The legends cam from Sony never get outdated
Jo44405/01/2020 19:33

Can you tell if this is from DSLR, compact or phone?[Image]


It's a little hard without having the jpeg file etc but as the focus isn't that sharp it could be a dslr with a poor lens/low quaility compact or a camera phone. The dynamic range/shadow detail doesn't seem that good so a low cost or old sensor dslr/low quality compact or a phone.
Edited by: "afroylnt" 5th Jan
I have this camera and a few lenses to pair it with. It takes some fantastic pictures and always happy to use it. Sadly, it doesnt get used too often these days. Like many, I find the phone to be much more convenient especially on capturing random daily life.

Phones have come a long way and takes great pics too, but the camera has another level of satisfaction which maybe only the photographer appreciates, especially when manual settings and different lens are at play.

I’m no professional, I see it as more of a hobby and playing around with different lens and camera settings to see different results. So far I do see the camera having that little bit more of an edge and clarity to my pictures.

For anyone with interest, this camera is definitely worth it but be warned, the kit lens doesnt do the camera justice, so be prepared to invest in others.
Edited by: "MugenPower" 5th Jan
MugenPower05/01/2020 21:36

I have this camera and a few lenses to pair it with. It takes some …I have this camera and a few lenses to pair it with. It takes some fantastic pictures and always happy to use it. Sadly, it doesnt get used too often these days. Like many, I find the phone to be much more convenient especially on capturing random daily life. Phones have come a long way and takes great pics too, but the camera has another level of satisfaction which maybe only the photographer appreciates, especially when manual settings and different lens are at play. I’m no professional, I see it as more of a hobby and playing around with different lens and camera settings to see different results. So far I do see the camera having that little bit more of an edge and clarity to my pictures.For anyone with interest, this camera is definitely worth it but be warned, the kit lens doesnt do the camera justice, so be prepared to invest in others.



What lenses would you recommend?
Jo44405/01/2020 19:33

Can you tell if this is from DSLR, compact or phone?[Image]


Not on my phone but the human who took the photo is definitely an amateur.
Good camera at the price BUT awful ergonomics...
afroylnt05/01/2020 21:53

What lenses would you recommend?



I think this largely depends on the type of photos you like taking. I personally like playing with prime lens (non-zoom) as I find them clearer. sel35f18 (approx£330)is one of my faves as I get a good mix of portrait and street photography and its excellent in low light conditions, though I’ve heard Sigma 30mm f1.4 DC DN Lens (e-mount) (approx £250) is very very good and cheaper but I dont own one myself as its too similar.

I also like the sigma 19mm f2.8 DN (£150)as its wider and captures good images. I mainly use it for a walk around lens particularly during daytime, it doesnt perform well in low light but for £150 it is good value for money especially if most of your photos are done in good lighting e.g out and about during the day.

Again though it is dependant on the kind of pictures you like to take. So if not sure best use the kit lens and try the different focal lengths out before deciding on which primes to settle for.
Edited by: "MugenPower" 5th Jan
Haruhi05/01/2020 18:14

The only type of photography most people want to do is just take general …The only type of photography most people want to do is just take general wide to standard FOV shots like 24-35mm equivalent or something.There's practically no reason to even carry around a very small DSLR with a small lens like a Canon 250D and 24mm 2.8 pancake when any mobile phone will get the exact same result, fits in your pocket and doesn't make you stand out like a sore thumb when you pull the thing out in a public place.The only reason to even buy these DSLR's or Mirrorless cameras is if you're doing some really specific niche type of photography that a phone can't do like macro, telephoto sport/wildlife or extreme low light astrophotography etc.


I totally disagree!

Anyone who says taking a photo using a phone is as enjoyable as taking one with a proper camera, is lying or has never used a proper camera!

if your going on a two week holiday of your lifetime, would you leave your camera at home and just take your phone?
MugenPower05/01/2020 23:23

I think this largely depends on the type of photos you like taking. I …I think this largely depends on the type of photos you like taking. I personally like playing with prime lens (non-zoom) as I find them clearer. sel35f18 (approx£330)is one of my faves as I get a good mix of portrait and street photography and its excellent in low light conditions, though I’ve heard Sigma 30mm f1.4 DC DN Lens (e-mount) (approx £250) is very very good and cheaper but I dont own one myself as its too similar.I also like the sigma 19mm f2.8 DN (£150)as its wider and captures good images. I mainly use it for a walk around lens particularly during daytime, it doesnt perform well in low light but for £150 it is good value for money especially if most of your photos are done in good lighting e.g out and about during the day.Again though it is dependant on the kind of pictures you like to take. So if not sure best use the kit lens and try the different focal lengths out before deciding on which primes to settle for.



Thanks some useful recommendations.
justwindingyouup05/01/2020 23:21

Not on my phone but the human who took the photo is definitely an amateur.


Snapped with a phone
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Ok I get the mobiles is great for a quick point and shot, the odd selfie or a million but so so many times I look at fuzzy looking photos took under poor light and then people look at my photos and say what phone did you use only to show them my camera and they all wish they had one, never will a small sensor camera match one of these in tricky conditions and the reasons these will always be the thing to use if you want clear great dynamic range and great depth of field large printable photos something that can only be processed in software on a phone and when we get to video it's even a far bigger gap.

Buy one of these if you want fantastic looking family photos that will look great and stand out but use your phone if you are happy with them sitting on Facebook getting likes.
Haruhi05/01/2020 18:14

The only type of photography most people want to do is just take general …The only type of photography most people want to do is just take general wide to standard FOV shots like 24-35mm equivalent or something.There's practically no reason to even carry around a very small DSLR with a small lens like a Canon 250D and 24mm 2.8 pancake when any mobile phone will get the exact same result, fits in your pocket and doesn't make you stand out like a sore thumb when you pull the thing out in a public place.The only reason to even buy these DSLR's or Mirrorless cameras is if you're doing some really specific niche type of photography that a phone can't do like macro, telephoto sport/wildlife or extreme low light astrophotography etc.


You carry around one of these if you want great looking photos in any conditions and photos that look natural and not processed to death to make them look good, just zoom in a bit and they look terrible, I plan to keep my kids photos forever and don't want unnatural looking photos from my mobile to look back on, the thing with most people just look on a mobile screen or Facebook but one you put them on a 55in TV and compare you see a world of difference.
Just think you wouldn't be happy if a guy turned up at your wedding with a mobile to take the pictures would you so why settle for less when your taking pictures of a life time of memories and let's not talk about video because that's not ever close.
Bendown05/01/2020 14:29

Recently on holiday abroad and can honestly say that 95% of people taking …Recently on holiday abroad and can honestly say that 95% of people taking photos where using a phone, very few now seem to use a dedicated camera, not knocking this deal but how things have and are changing, I have in my life purchased many cameras but can not really see the point any more unless the plan is to blow image up to print on A3 or similar.


Was in York this year and almost everyone I seen was using a mirrorless camera, remember mobile photos are good enough for Facebook but you need a large sensor camera for quality photos that you want to keep for a lifetime.
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