ACER Nitro 5 15.6" IPS i5-9300H  8Gb 128GB M.2+1TB GTX 1660Ti Gaming Laptop -  £999.97 at Box
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ACER Nitro 5 15.6" IPS i5-9300H 8Gb 128GB M.2+1TB GTX 1660Ti Gaming Laptop - £999.97 at Box

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Posted 6th Jun
Decent specs and good value for this gaming laptop.

KEY FEATURES
  • Intel Core i5-9300H Quad-Core Processor
  • 15.6" Full HD IPS Anti-Glare Screen
  • Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64-bit
  • 8GB DDR4 RAM
  • 128GB M.2 NVMe SSD + 1TB HDD
  • Dedicated GeForce GTX 1660Ti 6GB Graphics
  • VR Ready + Nvidia Optimus Technology
  • USB 3.1 Type-C | HDMI 2.0 | Bluetooth 5.0
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You're better off going for the older i7 8750H processor which is around 35% faster than the i5 9300H. You could probably get an ACER Nitro with the i7 processor and GTX 1060 or 1070 Graphics Card for around the same or cheaper. You can even pick up an MSI GP63 Leopard with an i7 8750H, 16GB RAM and GTX 1060 6GB RAM Graphics for around £900 now!
steve_bezerker06/06/2019 09:55

Coming down? You could build this in a desktop for less than £700 i'd …Coming down? You could build this in a desktop for less than £700 i'd wager, even £600 on a decent sale day. Laptop prices are still ridiculously overpriced.It all depends on what type of games you play that determine how useful the CPU is, or isn't.For example, Strategy games with large numbers of enemies on screen at once will use way more CPU power than other types of games, so it's only in games like this where a I5 might be prone to a bottleneck when compared to the higher clocks of the I7.


It's not easy balancing a pc tower, seperate monitor, keyboard and mouce pad on your lap. Desktops are cheaper for a reason. If I hear you can build a better desktop one more time
steve_bezerker06/06/2019 13:53

That's not the point, you can't add a premium to something just because …That's not the point, you can't add a premium to something just because 'it's portable'. The switch doesn't charge £600 just because you can play it anywhere, it's totally flawed logic.If I gave you a £1 chocolate bar and then gave you the same £1 chocolate bar in a more compact wrapper (Same content of chocolate for metaphor purpose), but instead wanted £5 for it, would you pay it?Of course you wouldn't. Gaming Laptops are the biggest scam in the marketing industry and it's people like you who go "AH BUT IT'S PORTABLE HERP A DERP" that make it possible for these companies to sell you £500 worth of hardware for over a grand.But it's each to his own, a fool and his money are easily parted I guess.By the way the idea is flawed anyway because you can't game with the scroll pad on a laptop meaning you need a mouse anyway, and in order to use a mouse you need a flat surface which means you need to buy a lap desk or tray, meaning you may as well be sat at a desk anyway, especially when you're gaming 6ft away from a flat surface.You also don't need to balance a PC tower or Monitor on your lap since you can use almost every accessory remotely and wireless now. At best you'll need the same lap desk for the mouse and the keyboard and that's it. Wireless keyboard and mouse, stream video directly to tablet, phone, TV.


I don't want to defend anyone or take anyone's part but..
Maybe I only have 1 table in my small apartment and I use it to eat on it (imagine having to cable up a monitor/pc everytime i wanto to play a game on something.. LOL)
Portability.. yes! That's why gaming laptops exist..
Maybe I'm moving out the country (or bound to) and +10kg of delicate hardware are hard to carry around (guess what, a backpack for my laptop and off i go..!!!)
Or I just want to wach on that same device a movie in bed, because I don't have a TV in my room/bedroom. Figure I could save the £300 of a tablet into upgrading the specs of a gaming laptop I guess?
Or maybe I'm an indipented professional and instead incurring of double the cost (desktop and laptop), I can carry my work&leasure where and when I need it..

Bottom line is:
I'm pretty sure if there wasn't a demand/market for laptop the powerhouses wouldn't have invested in the products.. right?
Furthermore, if you decide to not buy a laptop, this doesn't mean that everybody else should not buy it, if they want to and at what price pay that "portability" feature.
I don't even understand why you read and post on these threads to be honest..

No wait.. did you just troll me? wow mate.. you good!!!
Edited by: "Capt.D." 6th Jun
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You're better off going for the older i7 8750H processor which is around 35% faster than the i5 9300H. You could probably get an ACER Nitro with the i7 processor and GTX 1060 or 1070 Graphics Card for around the same or cheaper. You can even pick up an MSI GP63 Leopard with an i7 8750H, 16GB RAM and GTX 1060 6GB RAM Graphics for around £900 now!
Not bad! Nice to see prices coming down at last.

Personally I'd go for this over a 1060/1070 for the more efficient GPU power draw.

Likewise, I've yet to see a proper comparison that demonstrates meaningful gaming FPS improvements by using an i7 over an i5.
Edited by: "Joe90_guy" 6th Jun
Joe90_guy06/06/2019 09:41

Not bad! Nice to see prices coming down at last.Personally I'd go for this …Not bad! Nice to see prices coming down at last.Personally I'd go for this over a 1060/1070 for the more efficient GPU power draw. Likewise, I've yet to see a proper comparison that demonstrates meaningful gaming FPS improvements by using an i7 over an i5.


Coming down? You could build this in a desktop for less than £700 i'd wager, even £600 on a decent sale day. Laptop prices are still ridiculously overpriced.

It all depends on what type of games you play that determine how useful the CPU is, or isn't.
For example, Strategy games with large numbers of enemies on screen at once will use way more CPU power than other types of games, so it's only in games like this where a I5 might be prone to a bottleneck when compared to the higher clocks of the I7.
richt06/06/2019 09:31

You're better off going for the older i7 8750H processor which is around …You're better off going for the older i7 8750H processor which is around 35% faster than the i5 9300H. You could probably get an ACER Nitro with the i7 processor and GTX 1060 or 1070 Graphics Card for around the same or cheaper. You can even pick up an MSI GP63 Leopard with an i7 8750H, 16GB RAM and GTX 1060 6GB RAM Graphics for around £900 now!


How about this Asus model with similar specs but only 8GB RAM. I'm very close to pulling the trigger unless someone can convince me otherwise? I also have a £50 amazon voucher which makes it more appealing. Any suggestions are welcome.
I might be wrong but I'm sure I recall seeing that you have to get underneath the mother board to upgrade the ram on this. But I've seen so many laptop reviews now o might be mixing it up with the MSI gs65
Edited by: "hugekebab" 6th Jun
richt06/06/2019 09:31

You're better off going for the older i7 8750H processor which is around …You're better off going for the older i7 8750H processor which is around 35% faster than the i5 9300H. You could probably get an ACER Nitro with the i7 processor and GTX 1060 or 1070 Graphics Card for around the same or cheaper. You can even pick up an MSI GP63 Leopard with an i7 8750H, 16GB RAM and GTX 1060 6GB RAM Graphics for around £900 now!


The GP63 is still 1k as far as I can see..
Capt.D.06/06/2019 10:31

The GP63 is still 1k as far as I can see..


Any links ?
steve_bezerker06/06/2019 09:55

Coming down? You could build this in a desktop for less than £700 i'd …Coming down? You could build this in a desktop for less than £700 i'd wager, even £600 on a decent sale day. Laptop prices are still ridiculously overpriced.It all depends on what type of games you play that determine how useful the CPU is, or isn't.For example, Strategy games with large numbers of enemies on screen at once will use way more CPU power than other types of games, so it's only in games like this where a I5 might be prone to a bottleneck when compared to the higher clocks of the I7.


It's not easy balancing a pc tower, seperate monitor, keyboard and mouce pad on your lap. Desktops are cheaper for a reason. If I hear you can build a better desktop one more time
Mr_McSavage06/06/2019 13:33

It's not easy balancing a pc tower, seperate monitor, keyboard and mouce …It's not easy balancing a pc tower, seperate monitor, keyboard and mouce pad on your lap. Desktops are cheaper for a reason. If I hear you can build a better desktop one more time


That's not the point, you can't add a premium to something just because 'it's portable'. The switch doesn't charge £600 just because you can play it anywhere, it's totally flawed logic.

If I gave you a £1 chocolate bar and then gave you the same £1 chocolate bar in a more compact wrapper (Same content of chocolate for metaphor purpose), but instead wanted £5 for it, would you pay it?

Of course you wouldn't. Gaming Laptops are the biggest scam in the marketing industry and it's people like you who go "AH BUT IT'S PORTABLE HERP A DERP" that make it possible for these companies to sell you £500 worth of hardware for over a grand.
But it's each to his own, a fool and his money are easily parted I guess.

By the way the idea is flawed anyway because you can't game with the scroll pad on a laptop meaning you need a mouse anyway, and in order to use a mouse you need a flat surface which means you need to buy a lap desk or tray, meaning you may as well be sat at a desk anyway, especially when you're gaming 6ft away from a flat surface.

You also don't need to balance a PC tower or Monitor on your lap since you can use almost every accessory remotely and wireless now. At best you'll need the same lap desk for the mouse and the keyboard and that's it. Wireless keyboard and mouse, stream video directly to tablet, phone, TV.
Edited by: "steve_bezerker" 6th Jun
steve_bezerker06/06/2019 13:53

That's not the point, you can't add a premium to something just because …That's not the point, you can't add a premium to something just because 'it's portable'. The switch doesn't charge £600 just because you can play it anywhere, it's totally flawed logic.If I gave you a £1 chocolate bar and then gave you the same £1 chocolate bar in a more compact wrapper (Same content of chocolate for metaphor purpose), but instead wanted £5 for it, would you pay it?Of course you wouldn't. Gaming Laptops are the biggest scam in the marketing industry and it's people like you who go "AH BUT IT'S PORTABLE HERP A DERP" that make it possible for these companies to sell you £500 worth of hardware for over a grand.But it's each to his own, a fool and his money are easily parted I guess.By the way the idea is flawed anyway because you can't game with the scroll pad on a laptop meaning you need a mouse anyway, and in order to use a mouse you need a flat surface which means you need to buy a lap desk or tray, meaning you may as well be sat at a desk anyway, especially when you're gaming 6ft away from a flat surface.You also don't need to balance a PC tower or Monitor on your lap since you can use almost every accessory remotely and wireless now. At best you'll need the same lap desk for the mouse and the keyboard and that's it. Wireless keyboard and mouse, stream video directly to tablet, phone, TV.


I don't want to defend anyone or take anyone's part but..
Maybe I only have 1 table in my small apartment and I use it to eat on it (imagine having to cable up a monitor/pc everytime i wanto to play a game on something.. LOL)
Portability.. yes! That's why gaming laptops exist..
Maybe I'm moving out the country (or bound to) and +10kg of delicate hardware are hard to carry around (guess what, a backpack for my laptop and off i go..!!!)
Or I just want to wach on that same device a movie in bed, because I don't have a TV in my room/bedroom. Figure I could save the £300 of a tablet into upgrading the specs of a gaming laptop I guess?
Or maybe I'm an indipented professional and instead incurring of double the cost (desktop and laptop), I can carry my work&leasure where and when I need it..

Bottom line is:
I'm pretty sure if there wasn't a demand/market for laptop the powerhouses wouldn't have invested in the products.. right?
Furthermore, if you decide to not buy a laptop, this doesn't mean that everybody else should not buy it, if they want to and at what price pay that "portability" feature.
I don't even understand why you read and post on these threads to be honest..

No wait.. did you just troll me? wow mate.. you good!!!
Edited by: "Capt.D." 6th Jun
steve_bezerker06/06/2019 13:53

That's not the point, you can't add a premium to something just because …That's not the point, you can't add a premium to something just because 'it's portable'. The switch doesn't charge £600 just because you can play it anywhere, it's totally flawed logic.If I gave you a £1 chocolate bar and then gave you the same £1 chocolate bar in a more compact wrapper (Same content of chocolate for metaphor purpose), but instead wanted £5 for it, would you pay it?Of course you wouldn't. Gaming Laptops are the biggest scam in the marketing industry and it's people like you who go "AH BUT IT'S PORTABLE HERP A DERP" that make it possible for these companies to sell you £500 worth of hardware for over a grand.But it's each to his own, a fool and his money are easily parted I guess.By the way the idea is flawed anyway because you can't game with the scroll pad on a laptop meaning you need a mouse anyway, and in order to use a mouse you need a flat surface which means you need to buy a lap desk or tray, meaning you may as well be sat at a desk anyway, especially when you're gaming 6ft away from a flat surface.You also don't need to balance a PC tower or Monitor on your lap since you can use almost every accessory remotely and wireless now. At best you'll need the same lap desk for the mouse and the keyboard and that's it. Wireless keyboard and mouse, stream video directly to tablet, phone, TV.


I'll keep this short.
I think your missing the point. You will always pay a premium when something has been made with custom parts which usually cost more to the vender. Parts are specifically designed for that sole intended purpose. There not off the shelf components that the average consumer can buy then easily build themselves a laptop. Design, testing, construction, sourcing all cost money

Do trolls like chocolate? Just thought I'd ask
Complaining about laptop prices always seems to miss out the bit where you have to connect a desktop it to a monitor. Not free is it? The price gap narrows. Add in keyboard and mouse and it narrows again. Add in some the desktops don't even have built in wifi and it narrow again.

People who want gaming laptops aren't dummies, unaware desktops exist. They just want a gaming laptop.
cheapbiker06/06/2019 15:33

Complaining about laptop prices always seems to miss out the bit where you …Complaining about laptop prices always seems to miss out the bit where you have to connect a desktop it to a monitor. Not free is it? The price gap narrows. Add in keyboard and mouse and it narrows again. Add in some the desktops don't even have built in wifi and it narrow again. People who want gaming laptops aren't dummies, unaware desktops exist. They just want a gaming laptop.


Like saying the cost of a Playstation doesn't include the cost of the TV but yes, and you're still playing double the price for the ability to carry it around with you so the point is irrelavent.
I think the last desktop I bought was in the early '90s when I had a house with a separate study. Each to their own but I certainly wouldn't want to go back to a bulky desktop after 25 years.

It's not the portability. It's the compactness & convenience. Fold it flat, put it in a cupboard & forget about it.
Did anyone say cleaning around?
Table, monitor, bundle of cables, case, bundle of cables, behind the desk..
I can alreeady see myself with a headband, apron, sponge and spray..
steve_bezerker06/06/2019 13:53

That's not the point, you can't add a premium to something just because …That's not the point, you can't add a premium to something just because 'it's portable'. The switch doesn't charge £600 just because you can play it anywhere, it's totally flawed logic.If I gave you a £1 chocolate bar and then gave you the same £1 chocolate bar in a more compact wrapper (Same content of chocolate for metaphor purpose), but instead wanted £5 for it, would you pay it?Of course you wouldn't. Gaming Laptops are the biggest scam in the marketing industry and it's people like you who go "AH BUT IT'S PORTABLE HERP A DERP" that make it possible for these companies to sell you £500 worth of hardware for over a grand.But it's each to his own, a fool and his money are easily parted I guess.By the way the idea is flawed anyway because you can't game with the scroll pad on a laptop meaning you need a mouse anyway, and in order to use a mouse you need a flat surface which means you need to buy a lap desk or tray, meaning you may as well be sat at a desk anyway, especially when you're gaming 6ft away from a flat surface.You also don't need to balance a PC tower or Monitor on your lap since you can use almost every accessory remotely and wireless now. At best you'll need the same lap desk for the mouse and the keyboard and that's it. Wireless keyboard and mouse, stream video directly to tablet, phone, TV.


Eh I'd rather have a gaming laptop at uni compared to a desktop. It would make travelling at easier and I don't have to worry about my desktop being damaged while moving to uni and then moving back home.
Hmm... The keyboard isn't rainbow, but it is very shiny; heat added!
Joe90_guy06/06/2019 18:21

I think the last desktop I bought was in the early '90s when I had a house …I think the last desktop I bought was in the early '90s when I had a house with a separate study. Each to their own but I certainly wouldn't want to go back to a bulky desktop after 25 years.It's not the portability. It's the compactness & convenience. Fold it flat, put it in a cupboard & forget about it.


Your inexperience with desktop PCs certainly shows with the word "Bulky" most ITX form factors can be built smaller than a PS4 and I certainly wouldn't call that bulky. I take my PC to my friends house all the time.
steve_bezerker06/06/2019 22:14

Your inexperience with desktop PCs certainly shows with the word "Bulky" …Your inexperience with desktop PCs certainly shows with the word "Bulky" most ITX form factors can be built smaller than a PS4 and I certainly wouldn't call that bulky. I take my PC to my friends house all the time.


Like.. as compact as a laptop? like.. how do you deal with the heat? and the screen? like you fold it ontop of the compact desktop i guess?
Capt.D.06/06/2019 22:43

Like.. as compact as a laptop? like.. how do you deal with the heat? and …Like.. as compact as a laptop? like.. how do you deal with the heat? and the screen? like you fold it ontop of the compact desktop i guess?


Heat? My PC doesnt even reach 60 at max load. Why do I need a screen? I can just hook it up to any TV anywhere. This is 2019, even hotels have smart TVs now.
Capt.D.06/06/2019 10:31

The GP63 is still 1k as far as I can see..


Indeed,never seen it below £999.
steve_bezerker06/06/2019 22:46

Heat? My PC doesnt even reach 60 at max load. Why do I need a screen? I …Heat? My PC doesnt even reach 60 at max load. Why do I need a screen? I can just hook it up to any TV anywhere. This is 2019, even hotels have smart TVs now.



That's what I am talking about..!!!! I also wanto to go in a hotel room and carry my 6-7kg compact but still bulky portabledesktop and plug it to the smartTV and feel good about myself because i ditched a laptop.

Please be my sensei!
Capt.D.07/06/2019 10:36

That's what I am talking about..!!!! I also wanto to go in a hotel room …That's what I am talking about..!!!! I also wanto to go in a hotel room and carry my 6-7kg compact but still bulky portable desktop and plug it to the smartTV and feel good about myself because i ditched a laptop.Please be my sensei!


Feel good about yourself whilst wasting £1000 on £500 worth of parts then. Not sure how you're brain is wired?

For me this site is about saving money and that includes pricing up things at face value. At face value the laptop is worth maybe 600 quid.

My argument is that there is absolutely no market for gaming laptops. I can count the amount of people I interact with every day who own one on a single decapitated hand (Because it's 0) it's a relatively new fad and one that has absolutely no legs to it for the sheer fact that it's absolutely for the 1% market and is in no way mainstream. At least 75% of the 'gaming laptops' currently sold on the market would not even be able to run Minecraft at 60fps let alone anything AAA released.
Even the spec on this laptop is pretty low tier. It claims to be VR compatible but it's got 0 chance of running VR smoothly on latest titles.
Bully07/06/2019 00:45

Indeed,never seen it below £999.


999.98 at scan
steve_bezerker06/06/2019 13:53

That's not the point, you can't add a premium to something just because …That's not the point, you can't add a premium to something just because 'it's portable'. The switch doesn't charge £600 just because you can play it anywhere, it's totally flawed logic.If I gave you a £1 chocolate bar and then gave you the same £1 chocolate bar in a more compact wrapper (Same content of chocolate for metaphor purpose), but instead wanted £5 for it, would you pay it?Of course you wouldn't. Gaming Laptops are the biggest scam in the marketing industry and it's people like you who go "AH BUT IT'S PORTABLE HERP A DERP" that make it possible for these companies to sell you £500 worth of hardware for over a grand.But it's each to his own, a fool and his money are easily parted I guess.By the way the idea is flawed anyway because you can't game with the scroll pad on a laptop meaning you need a mouse anyway, and in order to use a mouse you need a flat surface which means you need to buy a lap desk or tray, meaning you may as well be sat at a desk anyway, especially when you're gaming 6ft away from a flat surface.You also don't need to balance a PC tower or Monitor on your lap since you can use almost every accessory remotely and wireless now. At best you'll need the same lap desk for the mouse and the keyboard and that's it. Wireless keyboard and mouse, stream video directly to tablet, phone, TV.


Laptops include their own screen and battery component. So take your £700 desktop build and add the cost of a monitor and some kind of UPS and you have a much farer cost comparison.
Only 1 stick of ram so it wont be running in Dual Channel, -50% speed performance.
LeoMike07/06/2019 12:58

Laptops include their own screen and battery component. So take your £700 …Laptops include their own screen and battery component. So take your £700 desktop build and add the cost of a monitor and some kind of UPS and you have a much farer cost comparison.


Except the screen quality on a laptop screen is not at all the same quality of a TV Panel and why do you need a UPS exactly? How often does your electric cut off at home? I don't think I've experienced a power cut for 10 years.
Edited by: "steve_bezerker" 7th Jun
steve_bezerker07/06/2019 11:13

Feel good about yourself whilst wasting £1000 on £500 worth of parts then. …Feel good about yourself whilst wasting £1000 on £500 worth of parts then. Not sure how you're brain is wired?For me this site is about saving money and that includes pricing up things at face value. At face value the laptop is worth maybe 600 quid. My argument is that there is absolutely no market for gaming laptops. I can count the amount of people I interact with every day who own one on a single decapitated hand (Because it's 0) it's a relatively new fad and one that has absolutely no legs to it for the sheer fact that it's absolutely for the 1% market and is in no way mainstream. At least 75% of the 'gaming laptops' currently sold on the market would not even be able to run Minecraft at 60fps let alone anything AAA released.Even the spec on this laptop is pretty low tier. It claims to be VR compatible but it's got 0 chance of running VR smoothly on latest titles.


No market for gaming laptops? Theres been a market for gaming laptops for well over a decade.

Hardware in laptops has become consistently faster in recent years, and these days Intel tends to push advancements to laptops first as they are the bigger market. The gap between desktop and laptop has got much smaller in recent years. Non maxQ 10-series laptop gpus arent that far behind the desktop variants.

A desktop will always be bigger and have faster options as space and heat arent such issues, but to say theres no market for this is ignorant. I know 5-10 people who use this sort of machine for various reasons. Most of them professionals.

Why do you think Intel are making such a big deal about the improvements in integrated for esports titles? There are a LOT of people who play casually on a laptop and whilst the market for gaming laptops is smaller than laptops in general, I think youd potentially be surprised ar the volume of sales companies like Dell or HP get for gaming branded machines. There is arguably now a bigger market for laptops than desktops full stop. Do you think companies like Dell produce these machines in small numbers or struggle to sell them??

Even a 1050 will play most anything on the market in 1080p to some reasonable degree of succesa albeit not maxed. Look back over the laptops on Hotukdeals and a lot of laptops in the sub 1000 price point have had 1050s and 1060s this last year, albeit there are also still a lot of integrated and some AMD units.

Cheap, no. Faster than desktop potential, no. More portable, flexible and practical in many use cases, definately.
Edited by: "alexrose1uk" 7th Jun
Those who are saying you can't charge more simply for an item being portable are absolutely wrong. You can, and they do.
alexrose1uk07/06/2019 14:06

No market for gaming laptops? Theres been a market for gaming laptops for …No market for gaming laptops? Theres been a market for gaming laptops for well over a decade. Hardware in laptops has become consistently faster in recent years, and these days Intel tends to push advancements to laptops first as they are the bigger market. The gap between desktop and laptop has got much smaller in recent years. Non maxQ 10-series laptop gpus arent that far behind the desktop variants.A desktop will always be bigger and have faster options as space and heat arent such issues, but to say theres no market for this is ignorant. I know 5-10 people who use this sort of machine for various reasons. Most of them professionals.Why do you think Intel are making such a big deal about the improvements in integrated for esports titles? There are a LOT of people who play casually on a laptop and whilst the market for gaming laptops is smaller than laptops in general, I think youd potentially be surprised ar the volume of sales companies like Dell or HP get for gaming branded machines. There is arguably now a bigger market for laptops than desktops full stop. Do you think companies like Dell produce these machines in small numbers or struggle to sell them?? Even a 1050 will play most anything on the market in 1080p to some reasonable degree of succesa albeit not maxed. Look back over the laptops on Hotukdeals and a lot of laptops in the sub 1000 price point have had 1050s and 1060s this last year, albeit there are also still a lot of integrated and some AMD units.Cheap, no. Faster than desktop potential, no. More portable, flexible and practical in many use cases, definately.


Please that's just marketing spiel, laptops will never make it in to mainstream esports. I know these laptops will sell, but it's not an effective business model. Why do you think there is little to no support for laptops? They count on the stupidity of the consumer and let's be honest the world is rife with it, to pay ridiculous prices. Look what happened to Ryzen when it released, now it's competing with Intel for half the price. All it will take is one company to charge what the laptop is actually worth and they'll run these gaming laptops out of the market.

You're talking about the evolution of basic parts like GPUs but the reason that's happened is because gaming has become more prevalent in the last 5 years and gaming laptops with integrated chips don't sell well, that's a fact, or have such bad performance reviews that the product tanks. How many variants of the same model do you see before it's redundant? It's a flawed market by their own admission.

Besides do you really think Dell, who are in every single home across the UK and the US, give 2 craps about being down in profits on one venture that isn't lucrative when they sell tons of other appliances which are making them money, Desktop PCs included.

If people want to pay top dollar for sub par parts that's their prerogative, but don't try and sell dreams that these 'gaming' laptops are good for anything other than casually gaming at best, and if you're paying 1K to casually game then (and I can't believe I'm saying this) you need to invest in a console.
steve_bezerker07/06/2019 13:51

Except the screen quality on a laptop screen is not at all the same …Except the screen quality on a laptop screen is not at all the same quality of a TV Panel and why do you need a UPS exactly? How often does your electric cut off at home? I don't think I've experienced a power cut for 10 years.


I'm not saying you actually need a UPS or commenting on the quality of an integrated laptop screen. I'm saying you can't compare the desktop's hardware costs (as in what's inside the case) and then compare it directly to a laptop which comes with additional hardware built in that you have not costed into your desktop price. I'm not for or against desktops or laptops, just pointing out it is not a like for like cost comparison. I imagine if you knew the separate cost of the laptop screen and could find a comparable desktop monitor and then costed a UPS that is comparable to the integrated laptop battery then you could compare costs on a like for like basis. Generally speaking desktops are better value in terms of pure hardware costs, but just because a laptops hardware contains lower spec hardware than a desktop doesn't automatically mean the cost should be lower. You are paying for the convenience of a laptop form. If you pop into a food shop right now, the most expensive items are the convenience sized items, small bottles of cola and individual chocolate bars are a lot more expensive than their larger sized and multi pack equivalents. At least most laptops are somewhat sensibly priced in comparison to their less convenient desktop equivalents.
steve_bezerker07/06/2019 14:42Please that's just marketing spiel, laptops will never make it in to mainstream esports. I know these laptops will sell, but it's not an effective business model. Why do you think there is little to no support for laptops? They count on the stupidity of the consumer and let's be honest the world is rife with it, to pay ridiculous prices. Look what happened to Ryzen when it released, now it's competing with Intel for half the price. All it will take is one company to charge what the laptop is actually worth and they'll run these gaming laptops out of the market.You're talking about the evolution of basic parts like GPUs but the reason that's happened is because gaming has become more prevalent in the last 5 years and gaming laptops with integrated chips don't sell well, that's a fact, or have such bad performance reviews that the product tanks. How many variants of the same model do you see before it's redundant? It's a flawed market by their own admission.Besides do you really think Dell, who are in every single home across the UK and the US, give 2 craps about being down in profits on one venture that isn't lucrative when they sell tons of other appliances which are making them money, Desktop PCs included.If people want to pay top dollar for sub par parts that's their prerogative, but don't try and sell dreams that these 'gaming' laptops are good for anything other than casually gaming at best, and if you're paying 1K to casually game then (and I can't believe I'm saying this) you need to invest in a console.



Again, I think you are somewhat disconnected from the real world in what you are saying; a LOT of people play CSS, CSGO, LOL, HOTS, DOTA etc on laptops. Will they be playing at E-League levels, no, probably not, but again, that's not the point.
Yes, sometimes prices are exaggerated (some manufacturers definately carry a premium, even in desktop space), but simply put the extra binning and engineering that goes into producing some of these machines is a lot, and there are fewer users to spread the R&D costs on than say your average £300 laptop that everyone and the dog has or knows someone with. There are for example chinese companies producing gaming laptops, and yes prices are a bit lower (and Chinese companies will undercut like heck if they can, look at phones), but even they arent MUCH cheaper because there are hidden costs and additional factors involved.

The reason machines are getting closer is evolution, but it's more to do with power and heat than just because gaming has become a larger audience. Recent chips use much less power and produce less heat than they used to; it is per rata easier to produce something viable for a mobile form factor. That is not to say that the parts are still not binned; they are; the parts in laptop are usually higher grade silicon, able to run moderate clock speeds at lower heat output/power consumption than an equivalent desktop parts in many cases because of the binning and testing process. This by necessity costs money; laptop parts are more expensive to produce and qualify, same as on desktop higher binned processors, GPUs and memory chips cost more from the manufacturers etc. Nvidia and other companies do this in the desktop space also, it is not confined to laptops, it is purely down to R&D costs, numbers, and binning - you need better silicon (higher clocking/lower power silicon), custom designs etc, you pay for it. They can't charge 'what it's worth' by desktop standards, because it DOESNT COST THAT TO MAKE.

And yes, companies like Dell do care, why do you think there have been companies (such as Samsung, another giant) pulling out of laptop markets and we have fewer big players in the market than we did 5-10 years ago? There is a reason they also still make things like Alienware; they can sell them at a premium as halo products, albeit with lower sales figures.
They produce plenty of SKUs because the people who buy these machines tend, as a rule, to be more knowledgeable or precise in regards to specs, and they try to hit the widest target audience they can afford. Producing multiple pre-boxes SKUs essentially on a conveyor belt is cheaper and faster for them than having to customise individual units; which is just one reason you pay a premium in many cases a boutique system laptop builders where they buy smaller levels of stock and components, and custom fit your chosen spec; they don't get the same levels of bulk or throughput. It is easier for companies like HP, DELL etc to produce multiple slight variants on a design, using slight variants of components around a limited number of core chassis, and hit a wider audience and a wider range of price points.

Again, your attitude shows you aren't the intended target market; but a well made laptop with a GTX 1060 can play most games at 60-120fps, 1080p, throw on top a G-sync screen and providing things like cooling was not neglected, you've got a good gaming machine, and based on things like Steam survey, faster than many DESKTOP gaming machines, whilst providing portability and a space factor that is hard to beat. A non-MaxQ 1060 can be overclocked to make back the distance on an average desktop card too, and end up not all that far behind. You want to argue that high settings, 1080p at 60FPS + is casual gaming, fine, but I think you need to take a wider step back and look at the pc gaming market, and not just the top-tier enthusiast one, there are many people perfectly happy with such an experience. 1060 based laptops were available at times at under £1k, over a year ago.

Yes, desktops are faster and cheaper, but they come with other compromises and focuses, that is the POINT, desktops have compromises, but are typically designed to be faster and cheaper, damn the power, heat and size, laptops have a different design focus.

HEAT, SIZE, POWER, COST - you can't have the best in all at once, and the actual binning and components in a laptop tend to cost more than desktop, because they don't have the same power, size and heat limitations and are produced/binned in lower numbers.

Again, Im not saying desktops arent better value if you have the space, and don't have any issue with the compromises, you'll get more for your money, but there is a reason for that, and when a 1050ti or 1060 will offer the gaming performance most people are happy with, and not at just a casual level, then it is what it is.
Edited by: "alexrose1uk" 7th Jun
Guys..
it hurts breaking it down to you but..
I think he is just trolling.. lol..

Well done @steve_bezerker you played us all!!!
This laptop isn't VR ready, if you want to use the oculus rift s then it needs a display port, HDMI can not handle the through put. For older version it may work but for the new oculus rift s it's not compatible.
richt06/06/2019 09:31

You're better off going for the older i7 8750H processor which is around …You're better off going for the older i7 8750H processor which is around 35% faster than the i5 9300H. You could probably get an ACER Nitro with the i7 processor and GTX 1060 or 1070 Graphics Card for around the same or cheaper. You can even pick up an MSI GP63 Leopard with an i7 8750H, 16GB RAM and GTX 1060 6GB RAM Graphics for around £900 now!


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OldCity07/06/2019 18:29

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Think he meant the recent 10% off currys sale,may have dipped below a grand for a few days.That promotion now over.
cheapbiker06/06/2019 15:33

Complaining about laptop prices always seems to miss out the bit where you …Complaining about laptop prices always seems to miss out the bit where you have to connect a desktop it to a monitor. Not free is it? The price gap narrows. Add in keyboard and mouse and it narrows again. Add in some the desktops don't even have built in wifi and it narrow again. People who want gaming laptops aren't dummies, unaware desktops exist. They just want a gaming laptop.


I would personally get the desktop and remote desktop from a light weight laptop.
steve_bezerker07/06/2019 11:13

Feel good about yourself whilst wasting £1000 on £500 worth of parts then. …Feel good about yourself whilst wasting £1000 on £500 worth of parts then. Not sure how you're brain is wired?For me this site is about saving money and that includes pricing up things at face value. At face value the laptop is worth maybe 600 quid. My argument is that there is absolutely no market for gaming laptops. I can count the amount of people I interact with every day who own one on a single decapitated hand (Because it's 0) it's a relatively new fad and one that has absolutely no legs to it for the sheer fact that it's absolutely for the 1% market and is in no way mainstream. At least 75% of the 'gaming laptops' currently sold on the market would not even be able to run Minecraft at 60fps let alone anything AAA released.Even the spec on this laptop is pretty low tier. It claims to be VR compatible but it's got 0 chance of running VR smoothly on latest titles.


I used to be in that 1% market, starting back in 2004/2005.

I've not purchased a new laptop since 2012 and it's still "OK" for my occasional gaming needs and improved with an SSD last year.

I'm also of the opinion a decent laptop should be available for £600 that gives good gaming performance. Prices appear to have increased in the past couple of years, so I've not splashed the cash on anything new.

That said, I still run my 2011 desktop with AMD Phenom X4 955BE & Nvidia 1050 and it's (unbelievably) still more than adequate for gaming and other tasks. I also installed an SSD.

When the pricing levels are more realistic, I'll splash out on both systems.
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