Acer Revo RL70 Nettop PC - Ebuyer - £178.83 (free delivery)
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Acer Revo RL70 Nettop PC - Ebuyer - £178.83 (free delivery)

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Found 30th Jan 2012
Just received an email from Ebuyer with this offer -

AMD E450 1.65GHz
2GB RAM
320GB HDD
No Optical Drive
AMD Radeon HD 6320
Wifi + HDMI
Linux

4gb would be better but a good price!
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Anybody found a comparison of this with the R3700?
wonder if these have silent running... but benchmarks for CPU come up better than the atom 525b
Edited by: "Max-Power" 30th Jan 2012
Zimmy

Anybody found a comparison of this with the R3700?



I'd like to know too. I'd assume this being a new machine, it should be better in some way.
Would have though it may have had USB 3.0.
Nice little box for that price.
Have been after one of these at a good price for ages. Now I have no use for one. Typical.
Will this model bitstream HD ?
Voted hot!

Love the way Netbooks get slated for only being good enough to surf the net (which theyre not) but Nettops have a good following, especially amoung enthusiasts.
£278.98 for the Win7 / 4GB RAM / 640GB version, not bad.
ebuyer.com/319…002
Zimmy

Anybody found a comparison of this with the R3700?



this has a lower-spec cpu, and the gfx is radeon rather than nvidia, so on linux that's a drawback thanks to driver support. 2gb ram is plenty for linux, though, so don't worry about that, and it'll fly with something like archbang linux on there. i wouldn't personally put ubuntu on it, but then i consider that quite a bloated install these days, but it's still miles better than windows!

if you're planning on running xbmc (i'd recommend openelec as that's the quickest, simplest way to get xbmc onto the device, and it's blindingly quick to boot up compared to xbmc live) on this, don't bother - the r3700 is much better suited to that task. generally, i'd say that the r3700 is the better machine, and available for not much more on ebuyer at the moment (£189, iirc).
sergiup

£278.98 for the Win7 / 4GB RAM / 640GB version, not … £278.98 for the Win7 / 4GB RAM / 640GB version, not bad.http://www.ebuyer.com/319565-acer-revo-rl70-nettop-pc-pt-sj4e2-002



i really wouldn't pay the windows tax, particularly on a machine like this. far better to run something lightweight like linux instead when the hardware is better suited to it.

4gb would be better but a good price!


It would, but also pointless if you just intend to use it as a media center. My emachine one with 2gb has never been maxed out, and that acts a security system too, as well as live TV, recording and full HD playback - even some light gaming like Alien Swarm.
I definitely agree, I think this is a better deal ebuyer.com/279…037 with 4GB RAM, bigger hard drive, etc
Edited by: "scott1andrews" 30th Jan 2012
scott1andrews

I definitely agree, I think this is a better deal … I definitely agree, I think this is a better deal http://www.ebuyer.com/279899-acer-aspire-revo-r3700-nettop-pt-semec-037 with 4GB RAM, bigger HD, etc



Phew - moment of panic there thinking there was a replacement to the 3700.

I bought the 4gb machine last week as the extra £10 for wireless kb and mouse and 2GB upgrade is more than worth it. Since I run Sickbeard, SabNZB, LogmeIn, AirMouse Pro, UTorrent & DropBox I figure that extra 2GB might just come in handy
AlanK

Phew - moment of panic there thinking there was a replacement to the … Phew - moment of panic there thinking there was a replacement to the 3700.I bought the 4gb machine last week as the extra £10 for wireless kb and mouse and 2GB upgrade is more than worth it. Since I run Sickbeard, SabNZB, LogmeIn, AirMouse Pro, UTorrent & DropBox I figure that extra 2GB might just come in handy



Alan, what OS are you running on there?
bladesuk1

this has a lower-spec cpu, and the gfx is radeon rather than nvidia, so … this has a lower-spec cpu, and the gfx is radeon rather than nvidia, so on linux that's a drawback thanks to driver support. 2gb ram is plenty for linux, though, so don't worry about that, and it'll fly with something like archbang linux on there. i wouldn't personally put ubuntu on it, but then i consider that quite a bloated install these days, but it's still miles better than windows!if you're planning on running xbmc (i'd recommend openelec as that's the quickest, simplest way to get xbmc onto the device, and it's blindingly quick to boot up compared to xbmc live) on this, don't bother - the r3700 is much better suited to that task. generally, i'd say that the r3700 is the better machine, and available for not much more on ebuyer at the moment (£189, iirc).



The R3700 comes with an Atom CPU D525 running at 1.8GHz which is slower than the E450 running at 1.65GHz.

compare-processors.com/amd…52/

The graphics for high bitrate Bluray content on the AMD processor is much better than the aging ION2 on the NVIDIA machine.

It will use less power as well due to having the graphics on the die, will have higher memory bandwidth as it works with DDR3-1333 not just DDR3-800 (on the D525 Atom).

As to running Linux, if you use it go with ION if not go with Brazos (E450).

"At the top we've got the AMD E-450, a part we previewed at Computex. The … "At the top we've got the AMD E-450, a part we previewed at Computex. The E-450 replaces the E-350 and brings with it higher clock speeds. The two CPU cores see a mild increase from 1.6GHz to 1.65GHz, while the 80-core Radeon HD 6320 GPU creeps up from 492MHz to 508MHz. Neither sounds too impressive, but the E-450 has a new trick up its sleeve: AMD Turbo Core. Similar to Llano, if there's available TDP the GPU cores in the E-450 can turbo up to 600MHz. In GPU bound games the E-450 can be up to 22% faster than the E-350.The E-450 also adds official DDR3-1333 support (up from 1066). When combined with the faster GPU you might see significantly better gaming performance out of the E-450. Don't expect to get anywhere near Llano's performance, but AMD notes a 36% increase in 3DMark Vantage performance."



anandtech.com/sho…pus
bixbarton

Alan, what OS are you running on there?



any linux o/s would do the job, but i'd recommend arch linux as it's about the most stripped-back version you'll get your hands on. my server's running everything on under 2gb ram, and never has a problem with memory usage. the biggest memory hog is the anti-spam on the email server, to be honest. for a tenner extra, though, you might as well get the 4gb version. that said, i wouldn't bother if you just want to run xbmc/openelec - 1gb is more than enough for it. and if it's a server you're after, you'd likely be better building something off a d525 atom motherboard like the zotac series instead so you can add more 3.5" hard drives for storage - mine's running 4x2tb drives at the moment, and i've got capacity for at least two more on the motherboard...
i take it that they dont have a tv card installed
AlanK

Phew - moment of panic there thinking there was a replacement to the … Phew - moment of panic there thinking there was a replacement to the 3700.I bought the 4gb machine last week as the extra £10 for wireless kb and mouse and 2GB upgrade is more than worth it. Since I run Sickbeard, SabNZB, LogmeIn, AirMouse Pro, UTorrent & DropBox I figure that extra 2GB might just come in handy



There's a man who's not afraid of ACTA.
For a media centre and general net usage, the AMD one is much better. It's CPU is lower clock but it can do out of order execution which the atom can't, giving it a very significant performance boost over it.
How quiet do these run? Thinking of replacing a Western Digital media player which is silent.
Hillster

How quiet do these run? Thinking of replacing a Western Digital media … How quiet do these run? Thinking of replacing a Western Digital media player which is silent.


I'd like to know this too.

also - can someone please help a noob out - would one of these be able to decode 1080p 20-30GB mkv's?
Alyosha

I'd like to know this too. also - can someone please help a noob out - … I'd like to know this too. also - can someone please help a noob out - would one of these be able to decode 1080p 20-30GB mkv's?



Yes easily.
Horrorwood

Yes easily.



thanks
Great for XBMC. . .Hot
Waiting for a $35 Raspberry Pi myself. Here's a vid of it running XBMC:

raspberrypi.org/arc…571
Seems like a lot of money to me compared to £80 for my WD TV. I appreciate the PC can do more but for £100 more it's not for me.
Nice. But my atom netbook plays all the SD or slightly HD stuff I throw at it just fine via a vga and audio cable hook up to our TV, it is is only 24 inch so I guess thats why it doesnt bother me to play 700mb dvd and 1.8 gb blu ray rips, the content is whats important to me, resolution is a distant second.

In my room I have a gaming pc, a ps3, a 360 and a wii hooked up to my 1080p lg 22 inch and again I rarely bother playing HD content as it looks fine as it is.
bladesuk1

i really wouldn't pay the windows tax, particularly on a machine like … i really wouldn't pay the windows tax, particularly on a machine like this. far better to run something lightweight like linux instead when the hardware is better suited to it.



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bladesuk1

i really wouldn't pay the windows tax, particularly on a machine like … i really wouldn't pay the windows tax, particularly on a machine like this. far better to run something lightweight like linux instead when the hardware is better suited to it.



I agree with running a lite version of Linux on it, but It's a bit harsh describing the Windows OS as 'tax'.
I'm a Linux fan (Mint and Fedora) but Microsoft selling an OS for fairly ok money to run where you want, is not comparible to Apple making you pay twice as much for the same hardware as many other PCs to run their (Excellent IMO) OSX. Hence the coining of the phrase 'Apple tax'.
Hillster

How quiet do these run? Thinking of replacing a Western Digital media … How quiet do these run? Thinking of replacing a Western Digital media player which is silent.

"Another good point, the machine offers silent operation, since we measured only 35 dB at a heavy bench." - quote taken from French site 01net.com, who I have to say I am not familiar with.

Lacks USB 3.0 and eSata and I'm not sure scraping by in some games counts for much but that it is better than Intel Atom/nvidia Ion2 in that respect. At that price, certainly hot. I marginally prefer Ubuntu to Win 7, Ubuntu is a much quicker/easier install because all of the applications - Firefox, LibreOffice(OpenOffice), Gimp, etc - that I use in both Win 7 and Ubuntu come preinstalled by the Ubuntu installer, apart from VLC player and Flash which you can download from the huge Ubuntu app store, which is almost all free. Windows is fine but I am happy with Ubuntu for ease, security and that zero cost tag.
So in summary, this is better than the 3700 for a lower price! Very tempted. Wouldn't mind hearing from someone who owns one. I have a 3700 already and it is rock solid with win7 & xbmc, streams 1080P bluray without any problems at all. Brilliant.

So if this box is more capable then I am getting another nettop.
Can someone tell me if they have XBMC with the AEON MQ3 theme installed, and whether it runs smoothly?

Cheers
Gold Feet

I agree with running a lite version of Linux on it, but It's a bit harsh … I agree with running a lite version of Linux on it, but It's a bit harsh describing the Windows OS as 'tax'. I'm a Linux fan (Mint and Fedora) but Microsoft selling an OS for fairly ok money to run where you want, is not comparible to Apple making you pay twice as much for the same hardware as many other PCs to run their (Excellent IMO) OSX. Hence the coining of the phrase 'Apple tax'.



Are you saying we shouldn't say "Windows tax" but "Apple tax" is ok?

For me Windows is a tax when I am forced to buy a copy of Windows with no intention of using it because Microsoft makes companies pay for a copy for each computer they sell even if they don't install Windows on that computer. I'm not sure whether they still get away with this, but they did it in the past.
AshtonBRSC

Are you saying we shouldn't say "Windows tax" but "Apple tax" is ok?For … Are you saying we shouldn't say "Windows tax" but "Apple tax" is ok?For me Windows is a tax when I am forced to buy a copy of Windows with no intention of using it because Microsoft makes companies pay for a copy for each computer they sell even if they don't install Windows on that computer. I'm not sure whether they still get away with this, but they did it in the past.


You are not forced to buy a PC with Windows pre-installed.
You can always build your own and if people are not confident enough to do so, there are also pre built PC's on the market with no operating system installed at all, which then enables you to choose whatever OS you want to put on it.

Edited by: "anglo" 31st Jan 2012
AshtonBRSC

Are you saying we shouldn't say "Windows tax" but "Apple tax" is ok?For … Are you saying we shouldn't say "Windows tax" but "Apple tax" is ok?For me Windows is a tax when I am forced to buy a copy of Windows with no intention of using it because Microsoft makes companies pay for a copy for each computer they sell even if they don't install Windows on that computer. I'm not sure whether they still get away with this, but they did it in the past.



Yes because Apple tax is on the hardware and it's about £400 on the average Intel based latptop.
I'm not sure it's microsoft who are "forcing" computer companies to package their OS?
Arnt the likes of Dell etc being offered OEM deals they can't refuse? and offer Windows to the market instead of Linux. I understand that Apple are acting illegally in some countries of not allowing you to install OSX on other hardware.
You're probably being 'taxed' £10-£15 for an OS that retails at £70 +
Like it or not, there are only 2 operating systems available to the mass consumer and the mass consumer (this product was aimed at) needs an OS.
You sound like someone who should be building your own system anyway. Of course that would cost a lot more than this deal. And if you're really that tight, there used to be a way of claiming back money for not using a supplied MS OS. May be worth researching.

I really hope the Rasperry Pi shakes up the industry though.

You aren't forced to pay the Apple tax either. Just buy the equivalent Intel based laptop.

Microsoft may not do it any more but they played some dirty games in the past to keep anything but Windows off computers: kuro5hin.org/sto…110

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Microsoft_competition_case:

In 1993, Novell said that Microsoft was blocking its competitors out of … In 1993, Novell said that Microsoft was blocking its competitors out of the market through anti-competitive practices. The complaint centered on the license practices at the time which required royalties from each computer sold by a supplier of Microsoft's operating system, whether or not the unit actually contained the Windows operating system. Microsoft reached a settlement in 1994, ending some of its license practices.

AshtonBRSC

You aren't forced to pay the Apple tax either. Just buy the equivalent … You aren't forced to pay the Apple tax either. Just buy the equivalent Intel based laptop.Microsoft may not do it any more but they played some dirty games in the past to keep anything but Windows off computers: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/10/23/13219/110From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Microsoft_competition_case:



Macs are Intel based and "forced" wasn't my quote.
Microsoft and Apple have sucked us in to their operating systems over the years. So if it's essential you need OSX, you pay £400 more for the same hardware, often built in the same factories, just to run OSX. Apple have even sued companies that try to build hardware that runs their OS.
The PC market is what it is today, thanks to IBM clones.
Gold Feet

Macs are Intel based and "forced" wasn't my quote.Microsoft and Apple … Macs are Intel based and "forced" wasn't my quote.Microsoft and Apple have sucked us in to their operating systems over the years. So if it's essential you need OSX, you pay £400 more for the same hardware, often built in the same factories, just to run OSX. Apple have even sued companies that try to build hardware that runs their OS. The PC market is what it is today, thanks to IBM clones.



Sorry, the first line was actually a reply to anglo.

Apple try to stop others using OSX, Microsoft try to force everyone to use Windows. I think I prefer Apple's methods because at least I can choose to avoid that (or choose to pay for since I'm writing this on a MacBook Air - try as I might, I can't built my own laptop that is so portable).

The extra paid for Apple computers isn't always so much over time because I have found they keep their value for much longer than Windows computers. I sold my previous MacBook Air after a year of use for £50 less than I paid for it.

I actually don't think either should be called a tax and I think you were only saying that others call it an Apple tax.
Is the RAM in this in a 2x1 configuration, or a 1x2 configuration, leaving the extra slot free to simply add 2GB more?
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