Amazon Kindle Daily Deal - All Out War by Tim Shipman 99p
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Amazon Kindle Daily Deal - All Out War by Tim Shipman 99p

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Found 27th Oct
Worth a read to see how we got to our current omnishambles.

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Great book about a great democratic upheaval - well worth reading for those interested in how ordinary folk reasserted themselves over the political classes

Ajibee3 h, 57 m ago

Great book about a great democratic upheaval - well worth reading for …Great book about a great democratic upheaval - well worth reading for those interested in how ordinary folk reasserted themselves over the political classes



Little bit confused as to how 'ordinary folk' relates to Eton educated serial liars like Johnson and Gove, or Kremlin sponsored useful idiots Nigel 'Trump is my hero ' Farage and Aaron Banks, but please do continue with your fantasy. Right up to the car factories shutting up shop.
Edited by: "GeoffAngela" 27th Oct

GeoffAngela8 h, 33 m ago

Little bit confused as to how 'ordinary folk' relates to Eton educated …Little bit confused as to how 'ordinary folk' relates to Eton educated serial liars like Johnson and Gove, or Kremlin sponsored useful idiots Nigel 'Trump is my hero ' Farage and Aaron Banks, but please do continue with your fantasy. Right up to the car factories shutting up shop.


All that bile from such an innocuous comment. There were 17,410,742 ordinary folk who voted, minus, for you, the tiny number of Etonians and Nigel Farage, whose votes you feel are less worthy than yours.

We'll see in due course if I'm living a fantasy - hopefuly not as big a fantasy as you and all the others who believed the ridiculous predictions of doom of the Remain campaign fell for

Great! Let me know when the NHS gets that £350million a week that Johnson promised.

Oh dear, oh dear. The Leave campaign's proposal was that the NHS should get £100M per week of the money that is saved from funding the bloated bureaucrats of Brussels - the slogan on the side of the bus merely noted the amount that we send the EU each week - it did not state that all of that should go to the NHS.

There are also remoan arguments abut whether it's really £350M per week or not - the reality is that it was £361M, less the Thatcher rebate from the previous year (which did go to Brussels), less the amount that British projects got back from Brussels. In general it's fair to sum up that Britain gives the EU about £20B per annum and gets about £10B back (the previous year's rebate and EU soending in the UK).

Either way, Britain gives the EU about £10B per annum that disappears. The Leave campaign proposed that £5B of this, £100M per week, should go,to the NHS, and so it should, once we finally extricate ourselves and vanquish the fifth columnists who want to let the EU continue make our laws, open our borders and loot our treasury. Whether it does or not is a matter for the duly elected government on that happy day - something that we will all choose democratically (i.e. not like the EU does things!).

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Ajibee40 m ago

Oh dear, oh dear. The Leave campaign's proposal was that the NHS should …Oh dear, oh dear. The Leave campaign's proposal was that the NHS should get £100M per week of the money that is saved from funding the bloated bureaucrats of Brussels - the slogan on the side of the bus merely noted the amount that we send the EU each week - it did not state that all of that should go to the NHS.There are also remoan arguments abut whether it's really £350M per week or not - the reality is that it was £361M, less the Thatcher rebate from the previous year (which did go to Brussels), less the amount that British projects got back from Brussels. In general it's fair to sum up that Britain gives the EU about £20B per annum and gets about £10B back (the previous year's rebate and EU soending in the UK).Either way, Britain gives the EU about £10B per annum that disappears. The Leave campaign proposed that £5B of this, £100M per week, should go,to the NHS, and so it should, once we finally extricate ourselves and vanquish the fifth columnists who want to let the EU continue make our laws, open our borders and loot our treasury. Whether it does or not is a matter for the duly elected government on that happy day - something that we will all choose democratically (i.e. not like the EU does things!).


The rebate never goes to Brussels. It is discounted from the amount we send before we send it.

KangTC4 h, 3 m ago

The rebate never goes to Brussels. It is discounted from the amount we …The rebate never goes to Brussels. It is discounted from the amount we send before we send it.



I thought that too, but apparently:

"Once the rebate is calculated from the payments and receipts in a given year, the UK’s GNI-based contribution in the following year is reduced by that amount."

- from theconversation.com/the…019

...so it seems that the amount of rebate that doesn't go this year is based on last year's figures, which means it's a year in arrears by my reading.

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Ajibee2 h, 50 m ago

I thought that too, but apparently:"Once the rebate is calculated from the …I thought that too, but apparently:"Once the rebate is calculated from the payments and receipts in a given year, the UK’s GNI-based contribution in the following year is reduced by that amount."- from http://theconversation.com/the-uks-eu-rebate-explained-58019...so it seems that the amount of rebate that doesn't go this year is based on last year's figures, which means it's a year in arrears by my reading.


This wouldn't mean that the rebate actually leaves our accounts. It just sounds like a tidying up exercise. If even Boris won't defend a literal reading of the "we send the EU £350m a week" slogan when he is desparate not to be seen as a liar I think we can be satisfied that we don't send the full £350m.

KangTC17 h, 18 m ago

This wouldn't mean that the rebate actually leaves our accounts. It just …This wouldn't mean that the rebate actually leaves our accounts. It just sounds like a tidying up exercise. If even Boris won't defend a literal reading of the "we send the EU £350m a week" slogan when he is desparate not to be seen as a liar I think we can be satisfied that we don't send the full £350m.


The first one did, with each subsequent one catching up on that a year in arrears, so yes, it does leave.

As for the figures, in the year the £350M figure was taken from it was actually £361M. What we can all be 'satisfied' about is that about half of that figure leaves the UK and never returns - around £25M per day, every day, to an undemocratic organisation whose own auditors have refused to sign off its accounts as accurate for decades.

If it's not already obvious, my view is that that money can be better spent at home, with the bonus that no longer will our politicians be able to say "we'd love to do this or that... but we can't because of EU law" - no longer - greater accountability beckons!
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