Apocalypse Now (3-disc Special Edition including Hearts of Darkness) [Blu-ray] £16.53 @ Amazon
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Apocalypse Now (3-disc Special Edition including Hearts of Darkness) [Blu-ray] £16.53 @ Amazon

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Posted 1st Aug 2012
this will probably get shot down but this is the cheapest it has been for a very long time. Used to be £17.99 a few months back and since then has shot up to £25 (everywhere) and has started to drop this last week. This is the 3 disc blu ray which includes both cuts of the film and special features, as well as all the cool booklets and photos shown on the Amazon page.

Enjoy.
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Nice, thanks op. Heated
How could anyone shoot down this, a great price for a magnificent film from a time before this terrible PG13 universe we are in now !
Great film and very nice Blu-ray. Worth the upgrade.
Why is £16 quid for an old movie good? Plus why would I want all that extra crap? I'm paying for the movie, not the box and postcards or whatever crap is bundled with it.
I'm sorry huge fan of this film but £16 for a upscaled 1979 movie? Maybe if you're a chump.
somebodypinchme

Why is £16 quid for an old movie good? Plus why would I want all that … Why is £16 quid for an old movie good? Plus why would I want all that extra crap? I'm paying for the movie, not the box and postcards or whatever crap is bundled with it.



Heart of Darkness is a phenomenal documentary - possibly better than the main feature, which in itself is an exceptional movie.
Satsui_Ryu

Heart of Darkness is a phenomenal documentary - possibly better than the … Heart of Darkness is a phenomenal documentary - possibly better than the main feature, which in itself is an exceptional movie.


Does that really justify the price though? I will never pay more than £10 for a single movie. Even the £10 ones are those that have just come out. This movie is donkeys years old. £16 is a rip off.
Scozo

I'm sorry huge fan of this film but £16 for a upscaled 1979 movie? Maybe … I'm sorry huge fan of this film but £16 for a upscaled 1979 movie? Maybe if you're a chump.



The usual uninformed nonsense.
Already have this in a boxset, but I'm still tempted.. Ridiculously good film, as said, Heart of Darkness is worth the price on it's own, and it's a great collectors item, if you're not a douvhebag who trolls threads they have no interest in ..

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somebodypinchme

Why is £16 quid for an old movie good? Plus why would I want all that … Why is £16 quid for an old movie good? Plus why would I want all that extra crap? I'm paying for the movie, not the box and postcards or whatever crap is bundled with it.



You can buy the movie without the "extra crap" (and a 90 minute documentary) for £13.57 here if you want: amzn.to/OpCa97

Scozo

I'm sorry huge fan of this film but £16 for a upscaled 1979 movie? Maybe … I'm sorry huge fan of this film but £16 for a upscaled 1979 movie? Maybe if you're a chump.



This is not an upscale, it's a remaster. Coppla personally supervised the new transfer (taken from the original source material, thus, not an upscale) proving to be a fantastic and revitalised presentation of this "old movie".
Check out the review: blu-ray.com/mov…93/
Edited by: "OllieShip" 2nd Aug 2012
Satsui_Ryu

Heart of Darkness is a phenomenal documentary - possibly better than the … Heart of Darkness is a phenomenal documentary - possibly better than the main feature, which in itself is an exceptional movie.



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somebodypinchme

Why is £16 quid for an old movie good? Plus why would I want all that … Why is £16 quid for an old movie good? Plus why would I want all that extra crap? I'm paying for the movie, not the box and postcards or whatever crap is bundled with it.

somebodypinchme

Why is £16 quid for an old movie good? Plus why would I want all that … Why is £16 quid for an old movie good? Plus why would I want all that extra crap? I'm paying for the movie, not the box and postcards or whatever crap is bundled with it.

Scozo

I'm sorry huge fan of this film but £16 for a upscaled 1979 movie? Maybe … I'm sorry huge fan of this film but £16 for a upscaled 1979 movie? Maybe if you're a chump.


Regardless of how old the movie is, this Blu-Ray is a new release and is therefore subject to the usual newly released Blu-Ray prices. If you never pay more than £10 for a movie, then wait for it to drop in price. Also not quite sure why 'old' comes into it - films don't get 'worse' over time.


Please don't use the term 'upscale' unless you know what it means. The resolution of DVD is 720x576. Blu-Rays are 1920x1080. If you watch an upscaled DVD what your player is doing is taking the 720x576 pixels and basically splitting each one into 4, so that it can output 1920x1080 pixels.
Although there are now digital video cameras being used for films such as The Hobbit which shoot in 4k and 5k resolutions (eg. 5120x2700), most films are still shot on film. Obviously Apocalypse Now was shot on film as there were no digital cameras in 1979.
Film does not have pixels and is therefore effectively of infinite resolution. To release a movie shot on film on DVD, the film must be digitised. This basically means scanning each frame into a computer using a negative scanner. For DVD, each frame would be scanned at 720x576. For Blu-Ray, you'd go back and scan the original film in again, this time at 1920x1080.

Think about it - if it was just a case of upscaling we would a) not need Blu-Ray at all - we'd get the same results from watching DVDs on an upscaling player, or b) not have to wait months or even years for each Blu-Ray release, because the studios could upscale each DVD in a matter of hours.

Upscaling will only become an issue years from now, when you have films like The Hobbit that were shot digitally, so they're a certain resolution and they'll never get higher than that. Sure, you won't see it in its full resolution until we have 5k TVs and 5k home video (Purple-Rays, or whatever - or optical media will be dead by then), but what happens when we get 10k TVs? We'll be able to go back and scan Apocalypse Now in again at 10k, and it will look amazing - The Hobbit will have to be upscaled.

Sorry to go on, but if I had a penny for every time someone said to me 'What do you want that 20-30 year old movie on Blu-Ray for? It wasn't filmed in HD', I'd be able to afford all the Blu-Rays!
Such a great film, I did find the bit with the French people a bit boring though :P
It's an okay interlude, they're hanging on, a last remnant of a doomed venture, I can see why it was not in the theatrical but it's cool. Good price for an increasingly rare set, trolls can go take a running jump into something are.....
Ordered and heated. Thanks OP.

I've watched this film perhaps fifty times over the years, and always pick up something new.
empyphil

Such a great film, I did find the bit with the French people a bit boring … Such a great film, I did find the bit with the French people a bit boring though :P



That's on the redux which IMO is absolutely dreadful. The real film is absolute class though, my favourite film
The Horror! The horror!
I have the redux & cinema release DVD versions but not the excellent Hearts of Darkness documentary

Very tempted - but when will I get to watch it???

I have a wife, ten mistresses and a hundred kids to give my time to - plus Series 1 & 2 of the game of thrones & series 1-4 of breaking bad to watch.
jav1900

I have the redux & cinema release DVD versions but not the excellent … I have the redux & cinema release DVD versions but not the excellent Hearts of Darkness documentary Very tempted - but when will I get to watch it???I have a wife, ten mistresses and a hundred kids to give my time to - plus Series 1 & 2 of the game of thrones & series 1-4 of breaking bad to watch.



It really is worth making time for - let the wife go shopping, the mistresses can "take care" of each other (make sure they film it) and send the hundred kids to an Odeon or Vue £1.50 show!
The Hearts of Darkness documentary is really good. Glad I went for the 3 disc.

However the standard edition is only £7.95 @ The Hut / Zavvi. A lot of people will have 10% codes to make that even less.
thehut.com/blu…tml

It includes both the theatrical and Redux cuts of the films. But you don't get the snazzy box
A true classic of a film which unfortunately has a fanbase with elements who revel in the violence and do not get FFC's anti-war message.

I have so many versions of this - from VHS, VHS box set, original DVD, Redux etc. and had to have the superb Hearts of Darkness transferred from VHS to DVD when I dispensed with my television so that I could watch it again on my computer.

The film's long awaited release on Blu-Ray came in this fantastic package with so much fascinating stuff for anybody remotely interested in filmmaking. Hearts of Darkness is probably the mother of all 'making of' documentaries - it was certainly the first I ever saw. It is actually as high in drama as the film itself.

Of the two main features; the theatrical release and Redux, I mainly prefer the original cut but I think this is partially because all the additional scenes seemed to invade a narrative with which I was already very familiar.

To anybody who enjoyed Hearts of Darkness, I recommend 'Lost in La Mancha' - journalling Terry Gilliam's ill-fated attempt to make a film of Don Quixote.
Edited by: "flamesong" 2nd Aug 2012
somebodypinchme

Does that really justify the price though? I will never pay more than £10 … Does that really justify the price though? I will never pay more than £10 for a single movie. Even the £10 ones are those that have just come out. This movie is donkeys years old. £16 is a rip off.



So you won't be buying Jaws or ET when they're released then. The age of the film has nothing to do with it.
It's ok. The masterpieces & masters that people like Coppola spielberg Scorsese Tarantino etc worship & tried to rip off are rarely American or seen.
TheFatelHombre

That's on the redux which IMO is absolutely dreadful. The real film is … That's on the redux which IMO is absolutely dreadful. The real film is absolute class though, my favourite film




Why one is the best version?
absolutely awesome boxset, the restoration of heart of darkness is amazing.

Getting bored of people not understanding the concept that old films can be restored. Film is HD people, thats why it can be projetcde on a 50ft screen duuuurrr
oh yeah redux os an abomination
Worth it for Hearts of Darkness.

I had to get a R1 DVD copy of Hearts of Darkness on eBay and I'm sure that I paid more than a tenner for it.
Really nice collector's set and the film looks better than ever on blu-ray. I paid £17.99 on release date for this and it was well worth it
MBeeching

The Hearts of Darkness documentary is really good. Glad I went for the 3 … The Hearts of Darkness documentary is really good. Glad I went for the 3 disc.However the standard edition is only £7.95 @ The Hut / Zavvi. A lot of people will have 10% codes to make that even less.http://www.thehut.com/blu-ray/apocalypse-now/-apocalypse-now-redux/10575036.htmlIt includes both the theatrical and Redux cuts of the films. But you don't get the snazzy box



This is a much better price. So your only complaint about me was due to me criticizing your demand of a cheaply made box? Get bent.
Film is superior to digital and if you go from 35mm to 70mm as was done for a few like Lawrence then it is quadrupled still. Different film stock, brand plus series, have different subtle timbres. Few can develop a truly trained eye for film and the telecine 'Master' operators in this country, one of few, can be counted on one hand and most had to have the eye as well as at least twenty years experience to develop the eye properly. Some cases of upscaling DVD to bluray did & still occur but for big mainstream titles by big studios such as this title you can rest assured it was re-digitised properly from the latest restored film prints.

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reddragon105

Regardless of how old the movie is, this Blu-Ray is a new release and is … Regardless of how old the movie is, this Blu-Ray is a new release and is therefore subject to the usual newly released Blu-Ray prices. If you never pay more than £10 for a movie, then wait for it to drop in price. Also not quite sure why 'old' comes into it - films don't get 'worse' over time.Please don't use the term 'upscale' unless you know what it means. The resolution of DVD is 720x576. Blu-Rays are 1920x1080. If you watch an upscaled DVD what your player is doing is taking the 720x576 pixels and basically splitting each one into 4, so that it can output 1920x1080 pixels.Although there are now digital video cameras being used for films such as The Hobbit which shoot in 4k and 5k resolutions (eg. 5120x2700), most films are still shot on film. Obviously Apocalypse Now was shot on film as there were no digital cameras in 1979.Film does not have pixels and is therefore effectively of infinite resolution. To release a movie shot on film on DVD, the film must be digitised. This basically means scanning each frame into a computer using a negative scanner. For DVD, each frame would be scanned at 720x576. For Blu-Ray, you'd go back and scan the original film in again, this time at 1920x1080.Think about it - if it was just a case of upscaling we would a) not need Blu-Ray at all - we'd get the same results from watching DVDs on an upscaling player, or b) not have to wait months or even years for each Blu-Ray release, because the studios could upscale each DVD in a matter of hours.Upscaling will only become an issue years from now, when you have films like The Hobbit that were shot digitally, so they're a certain resolution and they'll never get higher than that. Sure, you won't see it in its full resolution until we have 5k TVs and 5k home video (Purple-Rays, or whatever - or optical media will be dead by then), but what happens when we get 10k TVs? We'll be able to go back and scan Apocalypse Now in again at 10k, and it will look amazing - The Hobbit will have to be upscaled.Sorry to go on, but if I had a penny for every time someone said to me 'What do you want that 20-30 year old movie on Blu-Ray for? It wasn't filmed in HD', I'd be able to afford all the Blu-Rays!



What a great post. I'm being serious - no sarcasm intended. You obviously know a lot about media and broadcasting. Thats very informative - especially when you talk about filming digitally vs with film and future upscaling issues. Good job.
Scozo was actually right as he was talking about a different sort of upscaling (blowing-up) DVDs to Blu-Rays instead of re-digitising. Even then it has to be done from the most recent master neg prints at the studio archives, not release prints. Sometimes they are cleaned up & colour corrected too and reprinted as film fades, prior to big promotional releases on digital for broadcasters or average Joe Blog on DVD/Blu-Ray. However in case of such big titles like this re-released by major studios as I said people can rest assured. But the type of dodgy upscaling Scozo points to, basically rip-off, still does happen in many cases. He is talking about something completely different.
these editions usually dont last long and then get super rare. however this has been around for over a year so isnt a new release - so to those that are going on at the troll for refusing to pay it - well thats his choice and by now you would expect an older released item (i.e. out last year) to have dropped.

i paid £14 on release from tesco, its a very nice set indeed. infact i own the film 3 times (this 3 disc set, 2 dvd uk steelbok and 2 bluray italian steelbook). and i wouldnt sell any of them for the world.
en3sge

What a great post. I'm being serious - no sarcasm intended. You obviously … What a great post. I'm being serious - no sarcasm intended. You obviously know a lot about media and broadcasting. Thats very informative - especially when you talk about filming digitally vs with film and future upscaling issues. Good job.


Thanks. I do actually make videos for a living, filming and editing digitally, mostly corporate videos or website content, and I'd love to work my way into actual film making. But mostly I keep up to date with the technical side of things just because it interests me - I'd love to work for somewhere like the BFI, restoring old films, etc. or preparing films for Blu-Ray releases. Star Trek - The Next Generation is starting to come out on Blu-Ray and the amount of work they've put into it is incredible - it was shot on film, but edited on video tape (cheaper to work with), so all the effects were done on video tape as well, and every time it's been broadcast it's been from the same, degrading video tape masters - and even the DVDs came from those tapes. So for the Blu-Ray release it's the first time they've gone back to the film negatives, digitised them, re-edited all the episodes and redone all the visual effects - so it's beyond even digitising the same content at a higher resolution; it's breathing a whole new life into the footage.
simplez

Scozo was actually right as he was talking about a different sort of … Scozo was actually right as he was talking about a different sort of upscaling (blowing-up) DVDs to Blu-Rays instead of re-digitising. Even then it has to be done from the most recent master neg prints at the studio archives, not release prints. Sometimes they are cleaned up & colour corrected too and reprinted as film fades, prior to big promotional releases on digital for broadcasters or average Joe Blog on DVD/Blu-Ray. However in case of such big titles like this re-released by major studios as I said people can rest assured. But the type of dodgy upscaling Scozo points to, basically rip-off, still does happen in many cases. He is talking about something completely different.


Not quite sure what you mean, upscaling is upscaling - it means converting a low resolution into a high resolution (blowing-up, as you say). What different sort is there? Scanning film/negatives at 1080p isn't upscaling, as film doesn't have a resolution (if anything, it would be downscaling, as you could scan at a higher resolution and get even better results!).
It would be possible to upscale SD content in an edit suite and release that on Blu-Ray - but that would be largely pointless, as it's something that can be done on-the-fly by any device with a bit of processing power - it's what your home upscaling DVD player, Blu-Ray player, or perhaps even TV does to SD content, such as DVDs. There's a bit more to it than just stretching the picture to fit the screen, as it will analyse the picture to get the best possible results, but it's really not that demanding. Perhaps doing it in an edit suite would give better results in some cases, as you'd have more control over the picture adjustment, but the difference would be negligible and I don't know of any Blu-Ray label that releases titles like that.
Some TV show Blu-Rays have been upscaled, or partially upscaled, for example Farscape was shot on film, but transferred to SD video tape for editing, and the Blu-Rays have just come from that, because otherwise they'd have to digitise the film negatives and actually recreate all the episodes from scratch (as with TNG - see above), because the actual film was never edited, so it's just the rushes. For the Firefly Blu-Ray, they used the original 35mm film, but didn't redo the visual effects - so the actual footage is a HD scan of the negatives, but effects are upscaled.
For any film released in cinemas, however, the editing will be done with the actual film, and visual effects, although done digitally, will be transferred to film at the end - and an actual film/celluloid master copy will be created to make further film copies from, because that's what most cinemas require as they still have film projectors (although they're steadily being replaced with digital projectors). And that's what the Blu-Ray HD footage will come from.

So basically you won't get any footage on Blu-Ray that has been upscaled from a DVD - the resolution and bitrate are much lower than Blu-Ray, so there isn't enough data to work with and you wouldn't get any better results than watching the DVD on an upscaling player, so it wouldn't be worth the effort and you would not have a marketable product.
For films, you can always go and scan the actual film/celluloid/negative in again, at a higher resolution. The only time you'll get upscaling is when you're putting a TV show onto Blu-Ray that was recorded on video tape, so there isn't a higher quality source, or edited on video tape where they haven't put in the effort to go back to the film and edit it again - but that will at least yield better results than upscaling a previously digitised version.

Lots of false points in your comments, briefly:

- On the main point: many Blu-Ray titles were upscaled from DVD, this site's history alone is ful of complaints about that. The reason is most tiles were scanned for DVD then redigitising them would cost a lot, so many production houses/producers, mostly not the big studios these days, who actually own majority points (system in film ownership), simply do not redigitise afresh for Blu-Ray as 1) it costs a lot more than to upscale from their DVD which everyone had done prior to Blu-Ray 2) In many cases the film has to be restored. This is a complex process I can write a few pages on but lets just say it is not cheap

- Sound: mag stock clean up & digital adaptive passes and clean ups is another huge world, and also expensive, for special releases such as this which many don't by upsclaing from DVD, rip-off.

- Upsclaing methods: here you are wrong again. Not all upsclaing is the same. Even young teens into electronics for Joe Blog custoomers, most of what you talk about, know different media players do various quality versions of upscaling. This depends on the algorithm on the chip & other build quality.

- Software upscaling: Firstly this exists FYI and is different to h/w real time on the fly. Again you are wrong, this is not the same as any media player. Usually the qulaity for this batch processes is much higher than any high quality on the fly media player. You can not lump all media players together & then software solutions with them as one output. This is like saying anything with wheels, wheelbarrow to Ferrari to train and jets, is the same vehicle! Usually for 90minutes it can be done over night.

- High end upsclaing: These are done n high end specialist CGI machines, or more correctly workstations, and the quality is still better than the last category. Many high end suits use AI type of algorithms to extrapolate (correct term is actually interpolate) the in between pixels and those algorithms are secret and/or patented. These are more powerful machines and take even longer than overnight depending on chosen parametres so the outcome is hugely superior to previous categories.

- Most editing is not done on film these days, A/B roll etc., as you claim. In fact very very rarely if at all. The OCN (orig. cam neg) is made positive (double neg print), then the CON (Coded Edge No.s) Key No.s & SMPTEs are noted as as the whole stock is digitised for editing by editor & director. Once the easy editing, done on software workstations, is finished as opposed to the old way of using the old way, only then the assistant editor follows up the numbers from the computer and only then goes back to film and edits on the film cutting table/editing table which would have been used from stage one before computers came in. Now the numbers from the NLE are hunted down on stock and it is easy. This is all before sound. And sound, music & effects, is a whole stage before dialog, as many films are dubbed across the world. The editing which you bring in to this topic, has nothing to do with DVD or Blu-Ray releases or upscaling cheats and is a complete off-topic issue.

apart from many producers/production houses who do not want to spend a fortune on restoring and going through re-digitising film as often it does need expensive restoration even if it is a little bit. Film stock & many process prints costs lots, post-production suits & studios cost more, and expert staff more. So that is why many titles are cheats and cheap upscales as there is not enough demand to pay for it as most films are not in heavy demand like big old classics like this which is properly done & is a major re-release and pays for itself with profits.

There are other little points but this could be endless. It does take a few years to learn or explain the processes and terms but on the main point you said:

So basically you won't get any footage on Blu-Ray that has been upscaled … So basically you won't get any footage on Blu-Ray that has been upscaled from a DVD


As many have discovered, this cheat happens all the time, however this title re-release is safe as a restored rescanned proper Blu-Ray. No time to clean up my typos, or reply to your other little mistakes, or go into counterfeits (another story) etc. as don't have time. Basically film is a completely different world to digital, much more difficult. And high end digital professional suits, Soho or West London, are rarely seen by average people and are a different world to what people imagine. Final DVD or Blu-Ray for average Joe Blog has gone through a hundred stages in big productions and there are choices at each stage, beyond here. Have a good weekend

Edited by: "simplez" 8th Aug 2012
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