Apple MacBook, Intel Core M5, 8GB RAM, 512GB Flash Storage, 12" Retina Display (all colours) @ John Lewis
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Apple MacBook, Intel Core M5, 8GB RAM, 512GB Flash Storage, 12" Retina Display (all colours) @ John Lewis

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Found 26th Oct
Pretty decent deal. Yes it is the 2016 model but it is the m5 model. I use this every day and can even run VMware on it as the M5 2016 is a capable machine. £220 saving vs Apple refurbished. Plus a 3 year guarantee with John Lewis included and the full range of colours.

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Paul53425 m ago

Have the exact same model. Use it for Xcode and Lightroom. Excellent …Have the exact same model. Use it for Xcode and Lightroom. Excellent machine. I love that it can be charged from any USB port like a phone. No need to carry two chargers and easy to charge if you forget the charger.


unless you have an iphone

Have the exact same model. Use it for Xcode and Lightroom. Excellent machine. I love that it can be charged from any USB port like a phone. No need to carry two chargers and easy to charge if you forget the charger.

I've been impressed with the Core M series. I have a slightly different model Macbook (2016 M7) and used for around a month now.

This isn't designed to be a home laptop replacement in my opinion. It's a very premium netbook, a device you'd take travelling to do some basic gaming, productivity and watch films/TV shows.

What it does in that regard, it does extremely well. The weight is perfect for flights, and the low voltage allows good compatibility with portable batteries.

The Intel HD 515 is worse than what you'll get from a U series processor - but it'll play Pro Evo, Cuphead without problems, and if you can handle low settings it'll also do Fallout 4 in a similar way that the Intel Atom Z3735g did for Fallout 3 on Linx tablets.
It's also good for Wii / Gamecube and PSP emulation.

Everything else is different from modern netbooks & hybrids though. The weight distribution is perfect, because it is not a heavy tablet on a keyboard dock.

It's great for smaller surfaces such as a in-flight table, because it doesn't have a stand, ala Microsoft Surface.
The screen is faultless - 2304x1440 and no light bleed or bad viewing angles.

Sound is better than some larger laptops (definitely better than my 15" Clevo P651SG, but not as good as a 2012 XPS 17)
The trackpad is impressive - there are no physical clicks, just haptic feedback which mimics a physical press very well.

Keyboard takes a bit of time to get used to, because 1) It goes to the edge of the chassis which is un-natural to me and 2) the key travel is very minimal.

The most important thing is the OS experience. I've installed Windows 10, and using it is so much better than on the Intel Atom series. (both Z3735 and Z8500) The base Windows experience is comparable to a regular modern laptop with SATA / M2 ssd. I would say there is no difference at all.

Apologies for the long post. Just thought It'd be useful to throw another opinion in there since there is a Air v Macbook debate in here.
Get an Air or other laptop if you're going to be sat on the sofa a lot with it. Get a Macbook if you're on the go.

pfagan1021 m ago

Would people recommend this or the 2017 MacBook Air? Same price on site


The screen in the MacBook Air is simply awful compared to colourful, high res Retina display in this laptop. If you have eyes, this MacBook is much better, otherwise the Air is fine.
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Have the exact same model. Use it for Xcode and Lightroom. Excellent machine. I love that it can be charged from any USB port like a phone. No need to carry two chargers and easy to charge if you forget the charger.

Paul53425 m ago

Have the exact same model. Use it for Xcode and Lightroom. Excellent …Have the exact same model. Use it for Xcode and Lightroom. Excellent machine. I love that it can be charged from any USB port like a phone. No need to carry two chargers and easy to charge if you forget the charger.


unless you have an iphone

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chris_b6 m ago

unless you have an iphone


Very true. However I like that I can just carry the MacBook charger and USB C and USB C to lightening cables for MacBook, iPad Pro and iPhone. TBH the battery life on this thing is so good that I hardly need to charge it all day anyway. The one port was a pain last year but now so many PCs are USB C too there are good cheap accessories. You can charge both your MacBook and iPhone from a battery pack too.

What's difference between Flash storage and ssd?

cantonbean3 m ago

Very true. However I like that I can just carry the MacBook charger and …Very true. However I like that I can just carry the MacBook charger and USB C and USB C to lightening cables for MacBook, iPad Pro and iPhone. TBH the battery life on this thing is so good that I hardly need to charge it all day anyway. The one port was a pain last year but now so many PCs are USB C too there are good cheap accessories. You can charge both your MacBook and iPhone from a battery pack too.


Yeah, I hope that the next year iPhones have USB-C.

I don’t really plug anything either. My NAS drive connects over WiFi (and this laptop has AC so it’s pretty fast) and my Lightroom syncs through the cloud.

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tee_tee2 m ago

What's difference between Flash storage and ssd?


Both are the same thing basically but when they use flash storage they tend mean that it is capable of faster then SATA 3 speeds of about 550 MB/S for read write speeds

tee_tee3 m ago

What's difference between Flash storage and ssd?


It’s the same. SSD i. e. Solid-state storage device is a type of hard drive that uses NAND-based Flash memory.

Paul53438 m ago

Have the exact same model. Use it for Xcode and Lightroom. Excellent …Have the exact same model. Use it for Xcode and Lightroom. Excellent machine. I love that it can be charged from any USB port like a phone. No need to carry two chargers and easy to charge if you forget the charger.


It needs a USB-C charger capable of Power Delivery, which most chargers aren't, especially phone chargers. I know this because the idiots at CeX sent me a MacBook 12" (similar to this) with a 5W iPhone charger and USB-C lead. I had to go and buy my own charger in the end or return the laptop.

This gives quite a detailed explanation:
apple.stackexchange.com/que…b-a

Anyway, just don't count on being able to charge it with a regular USB charger.

plewis008 m ago

It needs a USB-C charger capable of Power Delivery, which most chargers …It needs a USB-C charger capable of Power Delivery, which most chargers aren't, especially phone chargers. I know this because the idiots at CeX sent me a MacBook 12" (similar to this) with a 5W iPhone charger and USB-C lead. I had to go and buy my own charger in the end or return the laptop.This gives quite a detailed explanation:https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/242875/can-the-12-inch-macbook-charge-from-usb-aAnyway, just don't count on being able to charge it with a regular USB charger.


USB C power delivery is only required for faster charging. It still work using legacy usb charging if you have a decent USB-C to USB-A cable. I haven’t tested it with a 5W charger but it works just fine with an iPad 12W charger which provides 2.4 amps. That charger is also positively identified in “System information”.

cantonbean42 m ago

Both are the same thing basically but when they use flash storage they …Both are the same thing basically but when they use flash storage they tend mean that it is capable of faster then SATA 3 speeds of about 550 MB/S for read write speeds

Flash storage in a Mac refers to storage that is integral with the motherboard. An SSD is flash storage put into an enclosure so that the device can replace an actual HDD. Both devices are more or less identical except for the physical connection. Flash storage may be faster than some SSDs, but not all.
You can upgrade a SSD. Where as flash you can't as easily.

Paul53433 m ago

USB C power delivery is only required for faster charging. It still work …USB C power delivery is only required for faster charging. It still work using legacy usb charging if you have a decent USB-C to USB-A cable. I haven’t tested it with a 5W charger but it works just fine with an iPad 12W charger which provides 2.4 amps. That charger is also positively identified in “System information”.


I admit I didn't try it with an iPad charger. I suppose the computer is pretty frugal so it makes sense but in the stores, Apple always claims you need their charger or at least one with Power Delivery. Then again, Apple also think a factory reset fixes all iPhone problems...

Smadmad3 m ago

Flash storage in a Mac refers to storage that is integral with the …Flash storage in a Mac refers to storage that is integral with the motherboard. An SSD is flash storage put into an enclosure so that the device can replace an actual HDD..


Wrong! danielmiessler.com/blo…es/

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Paul53450 m ago

Yeah, I hope that the next year iPhones have USB-C. I don’t really plug a …Yeah, I hope that the next year iPhones have USB-C. I don’t really plug anything either. My NAS drive connects over WiFi (and this laptop has AC so it’s pretty fast) and my Lightroom syncs through the cloud.


I bit the bullet and bought a USB C dock. Was £200 (though I got another amazon warehouse version for £50 by Belkin). However just via one cable I now have a 5TB drive, 1440p monitor l, web cam and 2 USB devices on it with wireless keyboard and mouse. What I like is that this 2016 model can drive 4K at 60hz too. Laptop so thin I just use an iPad stand to hold it in place! So one port pain actually brilliant now!

Jeezeypeeps4 m ago

Wrong! …Wrong! https://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-difference-between-ssd-and-flash-hard-drives/

How am I wrong. I have a Mac in bits now and the flash drive is integrated

Smadmad6 m ago

How am I wrong. I have a Mac in bits now and the flash drive is integrated


Apple calls all of their SSDs flash storage - removable or not.

plewis0036 m ago

I admit I didn't try it with an iPad charger. I suppose the computer is …I admit I didn't try it with an iPad charger. I suppose the computer is pretty frugal so it makes sense but in the stores, Apple always claims you need their charger or at least one with Power Delivery. Then again, Apple also think a factory reset fixes all iPhone problems...


MacBook 12 has a fully compliant usb c port which means it supports quite a few neat tricks. Apple recommends the usb c chargers because they’re the only ones that can provide full power via usb c power delivery profile. The laptop however still supports legacy usb charging profiles as a part of the spec. It does however require a good quality fully complaint usb c - usb a cable that has a 56k ohm pull up resistor for safety (Anker sells these for a fiver on amazon btw). It supports standard usb charge profiles up to 2amps as well as some of the custom spec like the Apple 2.4amp iPad Charger.

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The article states correctly that all modern SSDs are now made up of flash storage. Apple refer to it as flash storage because it sounds better and they do have some of the fastest around. Regardless this is a pathetic and pointless argument!

Paul5342 h, 37 m ago

Have the exact same model. Use it for Xcode and Lightroom. Excellent …Have the exact same model. Use it for Xcode and Lightroom. Excellent machine. I love that it can be charged from any USB port like a phone. No need to carry two chargers and easy to charge if you forget the charger.


how do you feel with it on Lightroom?

According to the below article the 2017 base m3 model is faster than the 2016 mid m5 variant. With better battery life and a second generation butterfly keyboard, amongst other things...

google.co.uk/amp…p=1

tee_tee2 h, 35 m ago

What's difference between Flash storage and ssd?



Nothing

be sure to purchase applecare otherwise your ******. Bought a brand new macbook once, 6 months on logic board broke and then broke again 6 months later. 2 weeks outside warranty apple refused to repair for free unless pay a bill for £500
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srdrSEA48 m ago

how do you feel with it on Lightroom?


I’m using the new Lightroom CC which due to bandwidth requirements I have set to sync smart previews instead of full sized RAW files. It works very well, pretty much the same as on my desktop. I’m not sure how well would it cope with full files but my setup works like a dream. I’m also using the “More space” higher resolution scaling to have more stuff on the screen.

sleepingwonder14 m ago

be sure to purchase applecare otherwise your ******. Bought a brand new …be sure to purchase applecare otherwise your ******. Bought a brand new macbook once, 6 months on logic board broke and then broke again 6 months later. 2 weeks outside warranty apple refused to repair for free unless pay a bill for £500



"Plus a 3 year guarantee with John Lewis included"
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sleepingwonder21 m ago

be sure to purchase applecare otherwise your ******. Bought a brand new …be sure to purchase applecare otherwise your ******. Bought a brand new macbook once, 6 months on logic board broke and then broke again 6 months later. 2 weeks outside warranty apple refused to repair for free unless pay a bill for £500


Claim with retailer as goods not of a satisfactory quality. Currys usually offer full replacement as long as you cover the cost of initial diagnostics to confirm the fault. Never dealt with JL and consumer laws but they should be better than Currys.
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mattoligy1 h, 2 m ago

According to the below article the 2017 base m3 model is faster than the …According to the below article the 2017 base m3 model is faster than the 2016 mid m5 variant. With better battery life and a second generation butterfly keyboard, amongst other things...https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2017/06/2017-macbook-review/%3famp=1


This is all totally true. But you also get half the SSD plus even that model is £249 more. The equivalent model is £1549. The performance gains vs the first model to the 2016 were significant. There are gains over the 2016 model but not as significant because this m5 model is a decent machine. I think of you’re looking at £1549 for the 512GB model of same specs be worth considering the MacBook Pro 13 none touch bar. I think at 1K for 512GB, 8GB and the m5 the 2016 hits the right point. Even as a lover of this MacBook I think the new models are overpriced because apple added like £200 on each model when launched the Pros. This is actually a fair price for this model when you consider its MacBook Air price but better screen and even short term performance!

I've got a midrange 2013 MB Pro, but recently it's started to slow down even after a full restore.
I've started using Adobe Premier Pro and it's really slows the machine down, would my best option be to buy a new MB - Say this one? OR get a memory upgrade to my existing machine? Any advice would be massively appreciated.

I have this one, prefer the iPad Pro personally. The keyboard is not the best and the I5 is certainly better that the i3.

cantonbean15 m ago

This is all totally true. But you also get half the SSD plus even that …This is all totally true. But you also get half the SSD plus even that model is £249 more. The equivalent model is £1549. The performance gains vs the first model to the 2016 were significant. There are gains over the 2016 model but not as significant because this m5 model is a decent machine. I think of you’re looking at £1549 for the 512GB model of same specs be worth considering the MacBook Pro 13 none touch bar. I think at 1K for 512GB, 8GB and the m5 the 2016 hits the right point. Even as a lover of this MacBook I think the new models are overpriced because apple added like £200 on each model when launched the Pros. This is actually a fair price for this model when you consider its MacBook Air price but better screen and even short term performance!



I forgot about the price hike on the MacBook. Was that related to the Brexit exchange rate hike across the entire Mac line? I can’t remember.

Personally I have student discount available to me making the base 2017 that much cheaper but you’re right regarding the MacBook Pro. The only trouble is the storage in the MacBook Pro line ironically being so much lower than the MacBook line.

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joncoyle8719 m ago

I've got a midrange 2013 MB Pro, but recently it's started to slow down …I've got a midrange 2013 MB Pro, but recently it's started to slow down even after a full restore.I've started using Adobe Premier Pro and it's really slows the machine down, would my best option be to buy a new MB - Say this one? OR get a memory upgrade to my existing machine? Any advice would be massively appreciated.


Are you sure RAM upgradable. You should be using at least 8GB. It might be worth looking at a newer model for premier pro. I don’t do video editing but if you can afford it and you don’t need all the extras from PP then final cut might be a cheaper investment then a new MacBook Pro. Apple refurbished or Very good calls too outside of this deal. Also be worth doing a clean install using a usb and make sure you’re using the new APFS file system. Before you do that try a PRAM and smc reset too.

Half the price is for the Apple logo it looks like 😓

Can't recommend. Gets far too hot for my liking and shuts down when it overheats - couldn't edit a video on Final Cut Pro unless it was on a cooling stand.

Unimpressed with Apple's newest laptop offerings, but then they are trying to push people onto iPads.

Well that's another grand HUKD has cost me, thanks a lot OP

(nice deal though)
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mattoligy14 m ago

I forgot about the price hike on the MacBook. Was that related to the …I forgot about the price hike on the MacBook. Was that related to the Brexit exchange rate hike across the entire Mac line? I can’t remember.Personally I have student discount available to me making the base 2017 that much cheaper but you’re right regarding the MacBook Pro. The only trouble is the storage in the MacBook Pro line ironically being so much lower than the MacBook line.


I’m not going to get into this Brexit thing. Apple put their prices up across Europe so it had nothing to do with Brexit. It is true that electronics are priced in $ but it was just plain greed by Apple. That simple. They did the same with iPads but at least they changed the storage base configurations on those! Yeah I was really tempted by the new none touch bar but 128GB with no SD slot? No thanks. I nearly bought one but then decided a MacBook or MacBook Air actually better value because you can use a nifty drive on a 128GB Air or get 256GB base model. If apple had done the price drop and kept 256GB they’d be killing it now...still are profit wise but I’ll stick with my MacBook and my MacBook Pro 15 full spec m370X 2015. It does sound like a jet engine though. Another factor I love about this MacBook. Fanless so silent!

kjfrazer6 m ago

Can't recommend. Gets far too hot for my liking and shuts down when it …Can't recommend. Gets far too hot for my liking and shuts down when it overheats - couldn't edit a video on Final Cut Pro unless it was on a cooling stand. Unimpressed with Apple's newest laptop offerings, but then they are trying to push people onto iPads.



If it can't handle FCPX which is optimized for iOS then it will not be great for Adobe PP which is what I wanted it for

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jamdog3028 m ago

I have this one, prefer the iPad Pro personally. The keyboard is not the …I have this one, prefer the iPad Pro personally. The keyboard is not the best and the I5 is certainly better that the i3.


Both good products. I own both. Use iPad Pro for notability and PDF expert to analyse academic papers and MacBook to do all the other work. One thing is you need a computer of some form to get your own content over to an iPad Pro unless you buy everything via iTunes. I’m old enough to still have CDs and DVDs I’ve ripped and added into iTunes. No such limitations on MacBook (apart from no CD drive!). What is weird is that my iPad is bigger then my portable computer now! Plus using Duet application you have the ultimate portable dual screen setup. I can fit both iPad Pro 12.9 and MacBook in same space as a MacBook Pro 13 (well nearly).
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kjfrazer15 m ago

Can't recommend. Gets far too hot for my liking and shuts down when it …Can't recommend. Gets far too hot for my liking and shuts down when it overheats - couldn't edit a video on Final Cut Pro unless it was on a cooling stand. Unimpressed with Apple's newest laptop offerings, but then they are trying to push people onto iPads.


Really? Numerous videos on YouTube showing otherwise even on the first model. Tbf it doesn’t like 4 hours straight football manager so I can see sustained work for video it is the wrong product!

Thanks OP. I've pulled the trigger on this.

I've been looking for a small portable with decent sized flash drive, A1 screen and 10 hour battery life, but had dismissed the Macbook, as this configuration was knocking on for £1500. I've been toying with the 13" Asus Zenbooks and XPS 13, but they didn't really fit the bill. This is perfect - SSD is also large enough for a decent Win 10 boot camp partition.

£80 for three year accidental damage cover is also a winner.

sleepingwonder1 h, 33 m ago

be sure to purchase applecare otherwise your ******. Bought a brand new …be sure to purchase applecare otherwise your ******. Bought a brand new macbook once, 6 months on logic board broke and then broke again 6 months later. 2 weeks outside warranty apple refused to repair for free unless pay a bill for £500


JL provide a three year warranty, so don’t waste your money of AppleCare if buying this one.

Smadmad3 h, 42 m ago

Flash storage in a Mac refers to storage that is integral with the …Flash storage in a Mac refers to storage that is integral with the motherboard. An SSD is flash storage put into an enclosure so that the device can replace an actual HDD. Both devices are more or less identical except for the physical connection. Flash storage may be faster than some SSDs, but not all.You can upgrade a SSD. Where as flash you can't as easily.


Yet more integration of previously discrete parts / peripherals strikes fear in me. It was bad enough with Apple’s onboard graphics going bang, but now they are integrating storage too.

Having been the victim of an onboard graphics chip going pop in an otherwise perfect MacBook Pro, I just wouldn’t take the chance anymore.

The JL guarantee three year warranty is not worth the paper it's written on (check out Trustpilot).

It's an okay saving but for last year's model it's not a great deal especially when the new i5 and i7 models offer genuinely significant performance and graphics updates.

The keyboard on the new model is also better.

Maybe best to wait for Apple's near annual zero percent interest deal.
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