Axminster Tool Centre - Axion Combi Drill Li-Ion 18V with 3 Batteries - now only £54.95 - free delivery.
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Axminster Tool Centre - Axion Combi Drill Li-Ion 18V with 3 Batteries - now only £54.95 - free delivery.

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Found 6th Apr 2013
This was posted a while ago and got quite warm - now there's £15 off.
The reviews are positive so I thought it worth a punt.
Should be ideal around the house and garden for a few spring-time jobs . . . :-)

Use code HIGH04 for an additional 10% off (simply add cheap items from the clearance section to bring the order over £50 to keep the free delivery). [thanks to bonzobanana]
- wombat6025

57 Comments

Got to be hot for the price!!(_;)

Call me an old cynic but how many times do you see customer reviews who all use their full names?
Check amazon, usually it's BobS, slinkycatfish, AlanP or Batman Herod III.
A little fishy if you ask me.

willhay555

Call me an old cynic but how many times do you see customer reviews who … Call me an old cynic but how many times do you see customer reviews who all use their full names?Check amazon, usually it's BobS, slinkycatfish, AlanP or Batman Herod III.A little fishy if you ask me.



You old cynic

Just had a look at a few other products on their site and to comment you need to be registered so it looks like it takes the name from that (I could be wrong), and older comments look to have title, initial and surname.

axminster.co.uk/bos…63/

axminster.co.uk/axm…37/

Quite tempted by this offer, as keep borrowing dad's drill.............. hmmm.

Very good price. 3 batteries...

willhay555

Call me an old cynic but how many times do you see customer reviews who … Call me an old cynic but how many times do you see customer reviews who all use their full names?Check amazon, usually it's BobS, slinkycatfish, AlanP or Batman Herod III.A little fishy if you ask me.


Do you mean that you think amazon reviews are genuine because they use made up names? Amazon has one of the biggest problems on the web with fake reviews.

Ordered and heat added thanks. 3 Li-Ion batteries and I like the single push button release for the battery. I’m having real problems with the ones with clips ether side of the battery.

Ordered & heat given. Thanks

Hot deal. A DeWalt user myself and couldn't even buy a spare battery for this price!! The case has metal fasteners too, not like othe cheap brands where the moulded plastic ones break off. A single spare battery would cost £19.95. If I had use for this, I would buy it.

This is my opinion reached through personal experience over a long period of time. It is not posted to offend or criticise other members that may have had a different experience.

I post to help others.

dont they make carpets ,usually

this is "usually" £69 quid so there is no real rush, it's not frighteningly cheaper.

I think if you want a drill it would be a good idea to buy a better brand even if it only had a single battery and was lower voltage.

The power on the cheap ones is carp, the build is very carp and the batteries will be very carp.

A mid range, lower voltage single battery one will outperform and actually last.

It's normally cheap for a reason.....

(_;)
Edited by: "bollybobinson" 7th Apr 2013

bollybobinson

this is "usually" £69 quid so there is no real rush, it's not … this is "usually" £69 quid so there is no real rush, it's not frighteningly cheaper.I think if you want a drill it would be a good idea to buy a better brand even if it only had a single battery and was lower voltage.The power on the cheap ones is carp, the build is very carp and the batteries will be very carp.A mid range, lower voltage single battery one will outperform and actually last.It's normally cheap for a reason.....(_;)



As you seem not to own this? Your review is very carp (_;)

Yes bollybob ur talking carp. I own one of these and it's brilliant. Very well made and the battery lasts longer than my 1.3ah makita at 3 times the price.

I ask myself why would they give you 3 batteries? Perhaps they dot last very long??

Funny enough the other deal for Wolf 12V tools is from the same manufacturer.

puly.com.cn/Dri…tml

If you download the manual you will see the declaration of conformity states the original chinese manufacturer name. The model above appears to be the same approx but chinese manufacturers vary specification according to customer. The torque looks less on the axion so may have a weaker motor

The same manufacturer makes power tools for many branded manufacturers but those tools may have superior motors, better batteries etc but its a good sign this power drill comes from one of the big chinese manufacturers who are used by many top brands. Axminster themselves are a good reputable dealer who I'm sure would have tested this product before selling it as axion appears to be their own brand.

Seems a good price but note the batteries are quite low capacity at 1.3Ah so not a lot of difference between a drill supplied with 2x1.9Ah batteries.

Axminster claim a torque of 32Nm which I would say is a respectable torque figure above most shop brands.

Note also this has a full size 13mm - 1/2" chuck. Not 10mm as fitted on some similar drills.

The manual claims the drill is suitable for 'trade' i.e. not just a DIY tool for light use and I think the specification would support this. That's not to say it will have the long life of a Makita or Bosch etc.

logohigh

dont they make carpets ,usually



Nope - they make a town 'usually'.

what is it with posts for usless, unknown drill brands, and they all get hot????
yet now 1 ever actually buys one of them but still comments how good they are????

bonzobanana

Funny enough the other deal for Wolf 12V tools is from the same … Funny enough the other deal for Wolf 12V tools is from the same manufacturer.http://www.puly.com.cn/Drill-PLCDL-36_p876.htmlIf you download the manual you will see the declaration of conformity states the original chinese manufacturer name. The model above appears to be the same approx but chinese manufacturers vary specification according to customer. The torque looks less on the axion so may have a weaker motorThe same manufacturer makes power tools for many branded manufacturers but those tools may have superior motors, better batteries etc but its a good sign this power drill comes from one of the big chinese manufacturers who are used by many top brands. Axminster themselves are a good reputable dealer who I'm sure would have tested this product before selling it as axion appears to be their own brand. Seems a good price but note the batteries are quite low capacity at 1.3Ah so not a lot of difference between a drill supplied with 2x1.9Ah batteries.Axminster claim a torque of 32Nm which I would say is a respectable torque figure above most shop brands. Note also this has a full size 13mm - 1/2" chuck. Not 10mm as fitted on some similar drills.The manual claims the drill is suitable for 'trade' i.e. not just a DIY tool for light use and I think the specification would support this. That's not to say it will have the long life of a Makita or Bosch etc.



Lovely bit of research. When I was working int the coldroom construction industry I needed a battery drill that could drill around a thousand 3.2mm holes in sheet metal per day! Batteries that would recharge quickly and last a long time. Hence me still owning a DeWalt. Way overkill for what I need it for now, general diy etc. I would not hesitate to buy this Axion for my current usage, it ticks all the boxes and as I mentioned earlier, is cheaper than buying a single battery for my DeWalt!

With average diy usage and regular cycling of the batteries, I would reckon this tool would last a good few years and represent excellent value for money.

This is my opinion reached through personal experience over a long period … This is my opinion reached through personal experience over a long period of time. It is not posted to offend or criticise other members that may have had a different experience.I post to help others.

clemf

Do you mean that you think amazon reviews are genuine because they use … Do you mean that you think amazon reviews are genuine because they use made up names? Amazon has one of the biggest problems on the web with fake reviews.



No, I didn't say that at all.
I said that amazon reviews contain varying degrees of username types, therefore demonstrating multiple types of users
Bob Smith, Frank Jones, Mike Johnson et al simply jumped out at me as rather 'conformist'.
Take it as you will but having had a similar drill previously I'll stick with dewalt.

bollybobinson

this is "usually" £69 quid so there is no real rush, it's not … this is "usually" £69 quid so there is no real rush, it's not frighteningly cheaper.I think if you want a drill it would be a good idea to buy a better brand even if it only had a single battery and was lower voltage.The power on the cheap ones is carp, the build is very carp and the batteries will be very carp.A mid range, lower voltage single battery one will outperform and actually last.It's normally cheap for a reason.....(_;)



Power available from any battery technology is identical regardless of the name printed on the side, the voltage is quite a large part of the power available, so buying a 14v vs 18v is immediately going to require a better motor to provide the same power as a cheap motor with a higher voltage battery.

Any comparison based on name is utterly worthless, only someone who has one of these can possibly comment on the value, in the past I've had a few drills, and my no name brand 24v is still more powerful than my 14v black and decker premium drill.

The problem with cheap drills/batteries is the lifespan per charge. But having used 1.3 and 1.7 batteries in my Ryobi, the reality on drills is you're unlikely to find it a huge issue doing basic DIY. If you happen to spend a lot of your time drilling 50cm holes through cavity walls, then maybe you need the higher capacity. The fact that you have 2 spares with this drill just means you're unlikely to ever need to worry about running out.

mike

One of the big issues with the older cheaper nicad cordless drills was the chargers supplied were manual chargers with a 3-5hr charging time. Many users didn't fully discharge batteries before charging and often allowed the batteries to continue charging well past the 5hrs. The cheaper models simply relied on the fact nicad batteries could take some abuse in this regard but such abuse would erode the number of charge cycles available from maybe 500 down to less than 100 and the charge available to use the drill got shorter and shorter so the frequency of charging was increased. The sort of casual less serious DIYer who would buy a cheap drill was probably exactly the sort of person who wouldn't monitor the charging time as well.

Li-ion batteries although containing less dangerous chemicals than nicad are actually more likely to explode so even cheap li-ion drills have intelligent battery monitoring chargers to prevent such explosions. This makes low cost li-ion drills more viable because manufacturer's are forced to provide better chargers because of this safety issue. Really there should have been an EU law to prevent manual nicad battery chargers being imported. They shortened the life of nicad batteries and therefore more nicad waste had to be disposed of.

youtube.com/wat…2Y0

Very tempted but not really that cheap...

willhay555

No, I didn't say that at all.I said that amazon reviews contain varying … No, I didn't say that at all.I said that amazon reviews contain varying degrees of username types, therefore demonstrating multiple types of usersBob Smith, Frank Jones, Mike Johnson et al simply jumped out at me as rather 'conformist'.Take it as you will but having had a similar drill previously I'll stick with dewalt.



I always use my name, hiding behind silly avatars is more likely to produce far more unhelpful comment. Even here the trolls can say virtually what they want. Usually things they would never have the guts to say to your face or under their own name.

Fanimal

Very tempted but not really that cheap...



In comparison to what? A manual screwdriver? This is dirt cheap! Show me where you can get a well made 18V Combi drill with 3 Lithium batteries and a 13mm chuck for less?
Edited by: "electrogear" 7th Apr 2013

Great stuff with 3 batteries.. Just ordered thanks..

I bought one of these drills several months ago to replace my Bosch because the batteries were failing. I to was a bit worried because of its cheapness but I have been using it every day for work and have been very impressed with it. battery life is very good, motor is strong can't fault it for the price. it's never going to be a Dewalt but it's far better value and yes I did leave a review on their site using my correct name because I was so impressed.

kenwebb1953

I always use my name, hiding behind silly avatars is more likely to … I always use my name, hiding behind silly avatars is more likely to produce far more unhelpful comment. Even here the trolls can say virtually what they want. Usually things they would never have the guts to say to your face or under their own name.



From the sounds of it you've had your own problems online, but were talking about the legitimacy of reviews.
The fact that a different generation may wish to use a username to protect themselves from the inevitable cranks to which you refer is an entirely different matter.

I always use my name, hiding behind silly avatars is more likely to … I always use my name, hiding behind silly avatars is more likely to produce far more unhelpful comment.



Which planet are you on kenwebb153? I presume that is ken webb or is it ke nweb or kenwe bb, you see now I have your name I now know your post is trustworthy or valuable.... or is it? I know that is your real name because.....???

Is that picture of you? Or is that a "silly avatar"?

Have you read anything about online security?

I bought one of these drills several months ago to replace my Bosch … I bought one of these drills several months ago to replace my Bosch because the batteries were failing. I to was a bit worried because of its cheapness but I have been using it every day for work and have been very impressed with it. battery life is very good, motor is strong can't fault it for the price. it's never going to be a Dewalt but it's far better value and yes I did leave a review on their site using my correct name because I was so impressed



Thank you badger46

voted hot on the strength of this "silly avatar"



Axminster reviewer Leo Byrne doesn't appear to buy his tools from anywhere other than Axminster, judging by the number of reviews he has made of products they sell.
He also has either a very varied hobby shop or company specialising in many varied trades, judging by the equipment he buys.
The range of equipment he obviously owns is astonishing.

bonzobanana

Funny enough the other deal for Wolf 12V tools is from the same … Funny enough the other deal for Wolf 12V tools is from the same manufacturer.http://www.puly.com.cn/Drill-PLCDL-36_p876.htmlIf you download the manual you will see the declaration of conformity states the original chinese manufacturer name. The model above appears to be the same approx but chinese manufacturers vary specification according to customer. The torque looks less on the axion so may have a weaker motorThe same manufacturer makes power tools for many branded manufacturers but those tools may have superior motors, better batteries etc but its a good sign this power drill comes from one of the big chinese manufacturers who are used by many top brands. Axminster themselves are a good reputable dealer who I'm sure would have tested this product before selling it as axion appears to be their own brand. Seems a good price but note the batteries are quite low capacity at 1.3Ah so not a lot of difference between a drill supplied with 2x1.9Ah batteries.Axminster claim a torque of 32Nm which I would say is a respectable torque figure above most shop brands. Note also this has a full size 13mm - 1/2" chuck. Not 10mm as fitted on some similar drills.The manual claims the drill is suitable for 'trade' i.e. not just a DIY tool for light use and I think the specification would support this. That's not to say it will have the long life of a Makita or Bosch etc.








Sorry I'm going blind. Can you tell me where the link to the manual is?

ta.

bollybobinson

Which planet are you on kenwebb153? I presume that is ken webb or is it … Which planet are you on kenwebb153? I presume that is ken webb or is it ke nweb or kenwe bb, you see now I have your name I now know your post is trustworthy or valuable.... or is it? I know that is your real name because.....???Is that picture of you? Or is that a "silly avatar"?Have you read anything about online security?;)



Good points. I meant of course silly names. A strange cat I found wandering around Albufeira. Honest guv, it is my real name! I like to give a bit of credibility to my comments.

My crappy 650w mains powered hammer drill really struggles with external bricks. Is this up to the job?

mouphi

My crappy 650w mains powered hammer drill really struggles with external … My crappy 650w mains powered hammer drill really struggles with external bricks. Is this up to the job?



Definitely not intended for heavy masonry work, if you much of that get yourself a cheap sds drill, even the cheap ones are better than a standard drill.




This is my opinion reached through personal experience over a long period … This is my opinion reached through personal experience over a long period of time. It is not posted to offend or criticise other members that may have had a different experience.I post to help others.




Edited by: "kenwebb1953" 7th Apr 2013

mouphi

My crappy 650w mains powered hammer drill really struggles with external … My crappy 650w mains powered hammer drill really struggles with external bricks. Is this up to the job?

This is my opinion reached through personal experience over a long … This is my opinion reached through personal experience over a long period of time. It is not posted to offend or criticise other members that may have had a different experience.I post to help others.



Thanks for the feedbacks

Al Fresco

Sorry I'm going blind. Can you tell me where the link to the manual … Sorry I'm going blind. Can you tell me where the link to the manual is?ta.



At the bottom of the screen in red where it says 'downloads' to the right of 'customer reviews (7)'

mbuckhurst

Power available from any battery technology is identical regardless of … Power available from any battery technology is identical regardless of the name printed on the side, the voltage is quite a large part of the power available, mike



Sorry, simply not correct. Company I work for (I give technical advice on battery testing) produces battery testers amongst other things, and whats written on the outside of a battery, often has zero connection with whats actually inside. GOOD battery manufacturers quote +/- 10% of rated capacity as normal. BAD manufactuers dont state any tolerance, but in reality, very often -50% is normal. Rated capacity is dependent on temperature. Many cheap battery manufacturers do not even state at what temperature they are rated, so the number on the side is, in fact, meaningless.

As for Volts being connected with Power, again, no. Your car battery is only 12V, is it not? Amps is where the power is! Static electricity can run into 1000s of Volts, and be useless.

HOT & ORDERED. many thanx this is just what i needed.

If I did not have a Hitachi I would be all over this, HOT...


czechoslovakia

Sorry, simply not correct. Company I work for (I give technical advice on … Sorry, simply not correct. Company I work for (I give technical advice on battery testing) produces battery testers amongst other things, and whats written on the outside of a battery, often has zero connection with whats actually inside. GOOD battery manufacturers quote +/- 10% of rated capacity as normal. BAD manufactuers dont state any tolerance, but in reality, very often -50% is normal. Rated capacity is dependent on temperature. Many cheap battery manufacturers do not even state at what temperature they are rated, so the number on the side is, in fact, meaningless.As for Volts being connected with Power, again, no. Your car battery is only 12V, is it not? Amps is where the power is! Static electricity can run into 1000s of Volts, and be useless.




I agree

What you have stated mbuckhurst is wrong on soo many levels its too much to answer here. Different battery technologies are NOT EQUAL

There are different discharge rates, weights, capacity, service life, voltage etc etc the list goes on.

A couple of things I would personally consider about the battery tech employed in drills is as follows:
NiCAD - ok and does the job, not the heaviest but not light, can be stored charged byt will lose charge over time
Ni-MH - Dont see these in drills much these days but IIRC there was a bit of hype some years ago - tended to have higher capacities but slightly heavier and more issues with memory effect and partial discharging (nicad has this too to an extent)
Li-ION or li-PO based techs - Lighter, no memory effect (part discharging is not a problem, even preferential - nicad and nimh SHOULD be deep-discharged while lithium should not), higher discharge rates typically assist in providing motors the juice they need and more torque, maintains working voltage for longer (your drill has power that does not start to die half way through discharge). Keep charge while stored.

I prefer Lithium for my drills now, however they need to be stored at 60% charge for long life (which is impossible to ascertain accurately), and can be damaged by deep discharge.

...

Edited by: "rendeverance" 7th Apr 2013

rendeverance

If I did not have a Hitachi I would be all over this, HOT...I agreeWhat … If I did not have a Hitachi I would be all over this, HOT...I agreeWhat you have stated mbuckhurst is wrong on soo many levels its too much to answer here. Different battery technologies are NOT EQUALThere are different discharge rates, weights, capacity, service life, voltage etc etc the list goes on.A couple of things I would personally consider about the battery tech employed in drills is as follows:NiCAD - ok and does the job, not the heaviest but not light, can be stored charged byt will lose charge over timeNi-MH - Dont see these in drills much these days but IIRC there was a bit of hype some years ago - tended to have higher capacities but slightly heavier and more issues with memory effect and partial discharging (nicad has this too to an extent)Li-ION or li-PO based techs - Lighter, no memory effect (part discharging is not a problem, even preferential - nicad and nimh SHOULD be deep-discharged while lithium should not), higher discharge rates typically assist in providing motors the juice they need and more torque, maintains working voltage for longer (your drill has power that does not start to die half way through discharge). Keep charge while stored.I prefer Lithium for my drills now, however they need to be stored at 60% charge for long life (which is impossible to ascertain accurately), and can be damaged by deep discharge....



You have put that li-ion provides more current and allows for superior torque but I'm pretty sure its actually nicad that provides maximum torque. In fact many li-ion drills are designed to prevent over-current and will shutdown automatically.

crockets.co.uk/pro…cts

The above link is my AEG drill but I have the nicad version (didn't pay anywhere near that price). Mine is 62Nm but the model listed there is 47Nm using li-ion batteries. This drill is actually compatible with both nicad and li-ion batteries, the charger is compatible with both types. Mind you the newer version of this drill goes upto 70Nm I think with Li-ion batteries but my older version has greater torque with nicad.

Why did they do a close up pic of the button, looks cheap.
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