B-Twin rockrider 560s full suspension mountain bike - £499 decathlon. was £700
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B-Twin rockrider 560s full suspension mountain bike - £499 decathlon. was £700

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Found 5th Apr 2016
B-Twin rockrider 560s mountain bike - decathlon. was £700 now £499.

got some good reviews. full suspension.
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Anyone know if you can lock the rear suspension off on this?
Cuki999

Anyone know if you can lock the rear suspension off on this?


Yes you can.
I looked at this bike last month and was about to pay £700 for it. Glad I didnt now and may buy it now.
This bike should be cheap and nasty, a full-sus for under £500! But the reviews it gets are always good, no just the odd review but all reviews consistently say the same thing so hot from me
btwin bikes bang for buck you cannot go wrong. life time warranty on the frame 2 year on other none wearable parts what ever they may be. personally found decathlon customers service to be very good as well and no issues sorting replacements etc.
Defo gonna nip and see if I can pick one up tomorrow.
Probably great, especially for the money, but seems only M size, and also none in London (from Stock check).
Maybe orderable 'online' but I did not check as not really in the market at the moment.
Edited by: "DonkeyKonk" 5th Apr 2016
Cuki999

btwin bikes bang for buck you cannot go wrong. life time warranty on the … btwin bikes bang for buck you cannot go wrong. life time warranty on the frame 2 year on other none wearable parts what ever they may be. personally found decathlon customers service to be very good as well and no issues sorting replacements etc. Defo gonna nip and see if I can pick one up tomorrow.



I bought one of their cheaper mountain bikes and the axle on the back wheel broke after about 18 months. They sent me a replacement wheel after I contacted them. Would certainly recommend decathlon to others.
Outrageous. The brakes are pretty awful and the finishing kit is cheap, and that fork doesn't have any adjustable damping, and it's using the 26" wheel standard which is all but dead and buried, but a full sus that isn't complete garbage for £500, who knew it.
All the components seems good quality, pretty average parts for xc / freeride.
13.7kg weight is fairly light which is good.
Lock-out rear suspension which is good for climbing.
Hydraulic Avid brakes for sharp quick response braking.
Good quality Mavic wheels.
Plenty of BTWIN components like hubs, saddle, handlebars, which should be good as they're part of the Decathlon Group.

Heat from me.
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gbmcginty

Outrageous. The brakes are pretty awful and the finishing kit is cheap, … Outrageous. The brakes are pretty awful and the finishing kit is cheap, and that fork doesn't have any adjustable damping, and it's using the 26" wheel standard which is all but dead and buried, but a full sus that isn't complete garbage for £500, who knew it.



the front forks have adjustable damping
gbmcginty

Outrageous. The brakes are pretty awful and the finishing kit is cheap, … Outrageous. The brakes are pretty awful and the finishing kit is cheap, and that fork doesn't have any adjustable damping, and it's using the 26" wheel standard which is all but dead and buried, but a full sus that isn't complete garbage for £500, who knew it.



It has adjustable rebound on both front and rear. brakes are good for price and finishing kit is reasonable too. 26" wheels are fine - the shift is marketing hype that you seem to lap up. This is very good for the price.
Dazc123

It has adjustable rebound on both front and rear. brakes are good for … It has adjustable rebound on both front and rear. brakes are good for price and finishing kit is reasonable too. 26" wheels are fine - the shift is marketing hype that you seem to lap up. This is very good for the price.



Sorry - did I offend your delicate sensibilities somehow? I wasn't saying '26 is sh*t, 650b 4lyfe yo' I was saying it's a cheap full sus largely because it's on 26" wheels. Whatever your opinion of them there's no questioning the fact that they have gone the way of the dodo, people have voted with their wallets. Which is good for now, look at that price - but what about in three years when you kill a rim on this thing and you literally can't find a replacement because no-one besides the artisinal wheel builders makes them any more?

I was wrong about the damping, and though that cartridge is about as sophisticated as leaf springs it does get the job done.

As for the brakes, we'll agree to disagree there as I've got three sets of Avids sitting around waiting for their inevitable death. Anything budget with 'Avid' on it should be in the bin already, they simply don't work.

In case it wasn't clear in my first post, I do think this is a great price - spend £500 on the bike and £60 replacing those brakes and you'll have a respectable bike with an outdated drivetrain and wheelset. All that said, anyone who's considering buying it is going to get a lot more out of and learn a lot more from a midrange used hardtail...







Edited by: "gbmcginty" 5th Apr 2016
gbmcginty

Sorry - did I offend your delicate sensibilities somehow? I wasn't saying … Sorry - did I offend your delicate sensibilities somehow? I wasn't saying '26 is sh*t, 650b 4lyfe yo' I was saying it's a cheap full sus largely because it's on 26" wheels. Whatever your opinion of them there's no questioning the fact that they have gone the way of the dodo, people have voted with their wallets. Which is good for now, look at that price - but what about in three years when you kill a rim on this thing and you literally can't find a replacement because no-one besides the artisinal wheel builders makes them any more?I was wrong about the damping, and though that cartridge is about as sophisticated as leaf springs it does get the job done.As for the brakes, we'll agree to disagree there as I've got three sets of Avids sitting around waiting for their inevitable death. Anything budget with 'Avid' on it should be in the bin already, they simply don't work. In case it wasn't clear in my first post, I do think this is a great price - spend £500 on the bike and £60 replacing those brakes and you'll have a respectable bike with an outdated drivetrain and wheelset. All that said, anyone who's considering buying it is going to get a lot more out of and learn a lot more from a midrange used hardtail...


All hail the mighty gbmcginty - don't buy without his expert opinion 'cos he's cool too!
Edited by: "Besford" 6th Apr 2016
Besford

All hail the mighty gbmcginty - don't buy without his experty opinion … All hail the mighty gbmcginty - don't buy without his experty opinion 'cos he's cool too!



God forbid these threads were populated with anyone who knew what they were talking about... that would go against HUKD tradition!
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gbmcginty

God forbid these threads were populated with anyone who knew what they … God forbid these threads were populated with anyone who knew what they were talking about... that would go against HUKD tradition!



Out of interest, what bike do you own?
donteatlego123

Out of interest, what bike do you own?



Nukeproof Mega TR, Trek Cobia and an Orange RX-9, at the moment.
Edited by: "gbmcginty" 5th Apr 2016
Ah, yes the literal hundreds of thousands of bikes in the world with 26" wheels are going to all vanish in 3 years, and not one manufacturer will be filing that huge cash cow gap.

better throw my cube ltd in the bin just noticed it hasn't got the latest size wheels .damn you mcginty
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gbmcginty

Nukeproof Mega TR, Trek Cobia and an Orange RX-9, at the moment.



​you got flames down the side of the frame ?
Uncommon Sense

Ah, yes the literal hundreds of thousands of bikes in the world with 26" … Ah, yes the literal hundreds of thousands of bikes in the world with 26" wheels are going to all vanish in 3 years, and not one manufacturer will be filing that huge cash cow gap.



So we're just going to ignore the fact that this is one of many, many bikes which have been heavily discounted for exactly this reason? DT Swiss rearranged their MTB wheelsets last week, and guess what - not a single 26" wheel among them. What about hubs? We've been through two different hub widths since 26" was the norm, are manufacturers still going to be making these obscure hub widths for people who want cheap replacement wheels for their BTwin? No, they'd sooner sell you a 27.5+ bike and call it an essential upgrade.
redbeard76

​you got flames down the side of the frame ?



Only when I break the sound barrier. I answered the question, what do you want from me...

Edited by: "gbmcginty" 5th Apr 2016
gbmcginty

So we're just going to ignore the fact that this is one of many, many … So we're just going to ignore the fact that this is one of many, many bikes which have been heavily discounted for exactly this reason? DT Swiss rearranged their MTB wheelsets last week, and guess what - not a single 26" wheel among them. What about hubs? We've been through two different hub widths since 26" was the norm, are manufacturers still going to be making these obscure hub widths for people who want cheap replacement wheels for their BTwin? No, they'd sooner sell you a 27.5+ bike and call it an essential upgrade.



Someone needs to setup a 26" rim manufacturer then, you'd quite literally make £100k's if what you are predicting becomes true. Although I find it highly unlikely, to almost implausible.
26“ is dead? Best get rid of my 4 bikes then.
Uncommon Sense

Someone needs to setup a 26" rim manufacturer then, you'd quite literally … Someone needs to setup a 26" rim manufacturer then, you'd quite literally make £100k's if what you are predicting becomes true. Although I find it highly unlikely, to almost implausible.



Here's why I think that wouldn't work.

The only way parts sales work for a 'cottage' industry like mountain biking is through high prices or high volume. You either sell thousands of them or you sell a few at ridiculous prices, high enough to justify all your unique costs in tooling for this 'old wheel standard'.

The demand isn't there for an obsolete wheelset to be produced in large volumes because people have either moved onto the new wheel size, or they've got an exotic 26" wheeled bike which justifies spending a lot on a custom wheelset. But who's going to spend custom wheelset money upgrading a £500 bike? No-one, they'll buy the new bike which not only has the latest wheel size but extra gears, newer brakes, and up-to-date geometry. And that's exactly what the bike industry works so hard to perfect, a culture of replace instead of repair.

I'm not saying 26" wheels are inherently bad, which is what everyone seems to be missing - they were fine for 20 years, after all - they're just being sidelined by industry progression.
26"?
*Sniggers*
Mavic turned over 129m euros 2014/2015, 79% of that was rims and tires, that's one year only. Hardly a cottage industry, since a huge proportion of that will be MTB rims.
Uncommon Sense

Mavic turned over 129m euros 2014/2015, 79% of that was rims and tires, … Mavic turned over 129m euros 2014/2015, 79% of that was rims and tires, that's one year only. Hardly a cottage industry, since a huge proportion of that will be MTB rims.



​OK, look at it another way - why? Why make rims with lower perceived value for an ever-dwindling proportion of the marketplace? Sooner or later the figures won't stack up.
gbmcginty

Here's why I think that wouldn't work.The only way parts sales work for a … Here's why I think that wouldn't work.The only way parts sales work for a 'cottage' industry like mountain biking is through high prices or high volume. You either sell thousands of them or you sell a few at ridiculous prices, high enough to justify all your unique costs in tooling for this 'old wheel standard'.The demand isn't there for an obsolete wheelset to be produced in large volumes because people have either moved onto the new wheel size, or they've got an exotic 26" wheeled bike which justifies spending a lot on a custom wheelset. But who's going to spend custom wheelset money upgrading a £500 bike? No-one, they'll buy the new bike which not only has the latest wheel size but extra gears, newer brakes, and up-to-date geometry. And that's exactly what the bike industry works so hard to perfect, a culture of replace instead of repair.I'm not saying 26" wheels are inherently bad, which is what everyone seems to be missing - they were fine for 20 years, after all - they're just being sidelined by industry progression.



Ha... Just like 7, 8 and 9 speed drivetrain components are hard to source at reasonable price?!? Ummm. Fool
Edited by: "TCBneedregulating123" 5th Apr 2016
Back to the bike at the top of the thread - A very good option for those wanting to spend only £500 on a full suss. An exceptional deal in my opinion. Heat
At either the ultra-budget, POS end of the market - people keeping their beaters going - or the ultra-expensive, custom DH racer end of the market. If I want a reasonably priced 7 or 8 speed derailleur that's rated for offroading I'd be clean out of luck. I could count the number of 26" wheeled bikes on sale today as a current model on one hand, anyone who says it's current is deluding themselves, speculate all you want about the future of parts supply for them.

The way you lot go on you'd think a production standard had never fallen by the way before, and changing perfectly good standards is like the bike industry's favourite thing.
gbmcginty

At either the ultra-budget, POS end of the market - people keeping their … At either the ultra-budget, POS end of the market - people keeping their beaters going - or the ultra-expensive, custom DH racer end of the market. If I want a reasonably priced 7 or 8 speed derailleur that's rated for offroading I'd be clean out of luck. I could count the number of 26" wheeled bikes on sale today as a current model on one hand, anyone who says it's current is deluding themselves, speculate all you want about the future of parts supply for them.The way you lot go on you'd think a production standard had never fallen by the way before, and changing perfectly good standards is like the bike industry's favourite thing.



You could use a 9 speed deore which would suffice - or any other Shimano if your running their levers. Cassettes and chains are cheap as chips. This is a very good deal and I challenge you to post a better deal. I'll give you a budget of upto £750 and you can prove your worth to the HUK community. I think you'll struggle even with £750 at your disposal.
TCBneedregulating123

You could use a 9 speed deore which would suffice - or any other Shimano … You could use a 9 speed deore which would suffice - or any other Shimano if your running their levers. Cassettes and chains are cheap as chips. This is a very good deal and I challenge you to post a better deal. I'll give you a budget of upto £750 and you can prove your worth to the HUK community. I think you'll struggle even with £750 at your disposal.



​So you didn't even read most of what I said. Yes it's a great deal and I said that several times, I was simply pointing out that it's a 26" wheeled bike (with bad brakes). Do you think their 650b bikes are on this deep a sale price? Of course not. It's cheap because it's using old wheels, and that's perfectly OK. It just means that replacing those parts cost effectively might be an issue in the future. The fact that you're referring to the hacky methods used to keep 7 speed bikes going these days should tell you everything.

The biggest issue with this post is that it's available in one size only, in only a few shops. It's stock clearance. But I don't think anyone is questioning the value for money. certainly not me.
gbmcginty

​So you didn't even read most of what I said. Yes it's a great deal and I … ​So you didn't even read most of what I said. Yes it's a great deal and I said that several times, I was simply pointing out that it's a 26" wheeled bike (with bad brakes). Do you think their 650b bikes are on this deep a sale price? Of course not. It's cheap because it's using old wheels, and that's perfectly OK. It just means that replacing those parts cost effectively might be an issue in the future. The fact that you're referring to the hacky methods used to keep 7 speed bikes going these days should tell you everything.The biggest issue with this post is that it's available in one size only, in only a few shops. It's stock clearance. But I don't think anyone is questioning the value for money. certainly not me.



Why hacky methods? I think you need to ride more and read less magazines that trying to sell you new product. I also think you know far less than you think you do.
TCBneedregulating123

Why hacky methods? I think you need to ride more and read less magazines … Why hacky methods? I think you need to ride more and read less magazines that trying to sell you new product. I also think you know far less than you think you do.



​You know nothing about me or my riding, so do you want to stop making this personal? Forgive me for pointing something out.

I don't give a damn about old drivetrain hackery, you were the one who brought that pointless stuff up - the drivetrain is one of the better things about the bike.
gbmcginty

Nukeproof Mega TR, Trek Cobia and an Orange RX-9, at the moment.



That Nukeproof is one sexy bike to be fair! - if you're so into mtb what would you suggest I buy for a full-sus that is still decent uphill, £2.5k budget, need to buy a new bike for the summer

Cheers
gbmcginty

Sorry - did I offend your delicate sensibilities somehow? I wasn't saying … Sorry - did I offend your delicate sensibilities somehow? I wasn't saying '26 is sh*t, 650b 4lyfe yo' I was saying it's a cheap full sus largely because it's on 26" wheels. Whatever your opinion of them there's no questioning the fact that they have gone the way of the dodo, people have voted with their wallets. Which is good for now, look at that price - but what about in three years when you kill a rim on this thing and you literally can't find a replacement because no-one besides the artisinal wheel builders makes them any more?I was wrong about the damping, and though that cartridge is about as sophisticated as leaf springs it does get the job done.As for the brakes, we'll agree to disagree there as I've got three sets of Avids sitting around waiting for their inevitable death. Anything budget with 'Avid' on it should be in the bin already, they simply don't work. In case it wasn't clear in my first post, I do think this is a great price - spend £500 on the bike and £60 replacing those brakes and you'll have a respectable bike with an outdated drivetrain and wheelset. All that said, anyone who's considering buying it is going to get a lot more out of and learn a lot more from a midrange used hardtail...



I have avid DB3 on my btwin and find them to be very good.

I also can't see 26 rims ever not being sold in the next couple of decades; I'd guess that the number of MTBs out there with 26" wheels compared to 27.5 / 29" rims are maybe currently about 100:1. Development of new 26" will cease but sales will continue.

This bike is aimed at hobby riders (idiots like me after a lot of bike for their money) not comp / pro riders.
donteatlego123

Out of interest, what bike do you own?


Raleigh Chopper - maybe :).
james_lfc

That Nukeproof is one sexy bike to be fair! - if you're so into mtb what … That Nukeproof is one sexy bike to be fair! - if you're so into mtb what would you suggest I buy for a full-sus that is still decent uphill, £2.5k budget, need to buy a new bike for the summerCheers



​YT Capra is the bike park darling at the moment, it is shocking value for money. I was at BPW a few weeks ago and there must have been 25 of them there that day.
Nice spec/price. Problem is for the majority of people looking to spend the sort of money would be better off with a hardtail and therefore lighter/more efficient. Anyone looking for a serious full suss what likely want a superior spec.

Still it's a good deal... And 26 wheels still have a life span, and some bargains to be had for replacements right now. The wheels will be lighter, stronger and cheaper, but may be not as fast as 650/29ers.
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